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WvW Event Idea: No Elite Spec

xZombieTaco.5809xZombieTaco.5809 Member ✭✭✭

Idea is the title. How would you guys feel about a WvW event where elite specs were't allowed? How well or unwelcomed do you believe such an event would be?

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  • Jeknar.6184Jeknar.6184 Member ✭✭✭✭

    So an All Heavy week? Sure, let's go

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  • XenesisII.1540XenesisII.1540 Member ✭✭✭✭

    They already said no and left.

    Another derailing post. ^^
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  • Straegen.2938Straegen.2938 Member ✭✭✭

    I like the idea. I think ANet needs to do more events in WvW for some variety.

  • Swagger.1459Swagger.1459 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @xZombieTaco.5809 said:
    Idea is the title. How would you guys feel about a WvW event where elite specs were't allowed? How well or unwelcomed do you believe such an event would be?

    @Ben Phongluangtham.1065 said:
    We certainly welcome any ideas for future WvW events!

    Here are some guidelines we've been using in our brainstorming.

    Change the way WvW is played in some way. Doesn't have to be a big change, but should be a change.

    Using events as test beds for permanent changes can be nice, but isn't necessary. There are many things we probably would be willing to do for the length of a matchup, but wouldn't want it to be forever.

    Events shouldn't require large art changes. We want to be able to implement these events quickly and not rely on getting a lot of art that may never be used again.

    Events shouldn't exclude large sections of the player base. No restricting events to specific classes, expansions, etc.

    Looking forward to hearing more ideas!

  • I don't see Anet ever removing skills in a game mode like that. I think it would cause a vast amount of frustration for most players and frustrating players is not something they want to intentionally do.

  • Shadowcat.2680Shadowcat.2680 Member ✭✭✭

    Dagger/dagger core ele for a week sounds like fun.

  • I think they should have a flashback event, where everything in WVW, including player specs, terrain, siege, etc. are reverted back to the way it was at launch. I think it would be eye opening to see how far things have come and might be a fun, nostalgic blast for long-time players.

  • Kylden Ar.3724Kylden Ar.3724 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Would be sweet, but not sure they have the pre-ruins and original north camp art still.

    How many times we gotta tell you GRIND IS NOT CONTENT there ANet?

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  • shortcake.8659shortcake.8659 Member ✭✭✭

    People pay for content(read: expansions) specifically for access to elite specs.

    This will never happen.

  • Swagger.1459Swagger.1459 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Dawdler.8521 said:

    @Swagger.1459 said:

    @xZombieTaco.5809 said:
    Idea is the title. How would you guys feel about a WvW event where elite specs were't allowed? How well or unwelcomed do you believe such an event would be?

    @Ben Phongluangtham.1065 said:
    We certainly welcome any ideas for future WvW events!

    Here are some guidelines we've been using in our brainstorming.

    Change the way WvW is played in some way. Doesn't have to be a big change, but should be a change.

    Using events as test beds for permanent changes can be nice, but isn't necessary. There are many things we probably would be willing to do for the length of a matchup, but wouldn't want it to be forever.

    Events shouldn't require large art changes. We want to be able to implement these events quickly and not rely on getting a lot of art that may never be used again.

    Events shouldn't exclude large sections of the player base. No restricting events to specific classes, expansions, etc.

    Looking forward to hearing more ideas!

    Keep in mind that the suggestion in OP is well within the guidelines - it doesnt restrict to specific classes (all allowed) nor does it restrict to expansions (everyone has vanilla). Blocking the selection of elites specs should be fairly trivial and doesnt require any art changes.

    OP
    "How would you guys feel about a WvW event where elite specs were't allowed?"

    Ben
    "Events shouldn't exclude large sections of the player base. No restricting events to specific classes, expansions, etc."

    "No restricting events to specific classes, expansions, etc."

    "etc" (etcetera- "used at the end of a list to indicate that further, similar items are included.)... so the "etc" includes "elite specs" as well. Just sayin'

  • Sylosi.6503Sylosi.6503 Member ✭✭✭

    @Swagger.1459 said:

    @Dawdler.8521 said:

    @Swagger.1459 said:

    @xZombieTaco.5809 said:
    Idea is the title. How would you guys feel about a WvW event where elite specs were't allowed? How well or unwelcomed do you believe such an event would be?

    @Ben Phongluangtham.1065 said:
    We certainly welcome any ideas for future WvW events!

    Here are some guidelines we've been using in our brainstorming.

    Change the way WvW is played in some way. Doesn't have to be a big change, but should be a change.

    Using events as test beds for permanent changes can be nice, but isn't necessary. There are many things we probably would be willing to do for the length of a matchup, but wouldn't want it to be forever.

    Events shouldn't require large art changes. We want to be able to implement these events quickly and not rely on getting a lot of art that may never be used again.

    Events shouldn't exclude large sections of the player base. No restricting events to specific classes, expansions, etc.

    Looking forward to hearing more ideas!

    Keep in mind that the suggestion in OP is well within the guidelines - it doesnt restrict to specific classes (all allowed) nor does it restrict to expansions (everyone has vanilla). Blocking the selection of elites specs should be fairly trivial and doesnt require any art changes.

    OP
    "How would you guys feel about a WvW event where elite specs were't allowed?"

    Ben
    "Events shouldn't exclude large sections of the player base. No restricting events to specific classes, expansions, etc."

    "No restricting events to specific classes, expansions, etc."

    "etc" (etcetera- "used at the end of a list to indicate that further, similar items are included.)... so the "etc" includes "elite specs" as well. Just sayin'

    It might include elite specs, but it might not, the statement is ambiguous.

  • Swagger.1459Swagger.1459 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Sylosi.6503 said:

    @Swagger.1459 said:

    @Dawdler.8521 said:

    @Swagger.1459 said:

    @xZombieTaco.5809 said:
    Idea is the title. How would you guys feel about a WvW event where elite specs were't allowed? How well or unwelcomed do you believe such an event would be?

    @Ben Phongluangtham.1065 said:
    We certainly welcome any ideas for future WvW events!

    Here are some guidelines we've been using in our brainstorming.

    Change the way WvW is played in some way. Doesn't have to be a big change, but should be a change.

    Using events as test beds for permanent changes can be nice, but isn't necessary. There are many things we probably would be willing to do for the length of a matchup, but wouldn't want it to be forever.

    Events shouldn't require large art changes. We want to be able to implement these events quickly and not rely on getting a lot of art that may never be used again.

    Events shouldn't exclude large sections of the player base. No restricting events to specific classes, expansions, etc.

    Looking forward to hearing more ideas!

    Keep in mind that the suggestion in OP is well within the guidelines - it doesnt restrict to specific classes (all allowed) nor does it restrict to expansions (everyone has vanilla). Blocking the selection of elites specs should be fairly trivial and doesnt require any art changes.

    OP
    "How would you guys feel about a WvW event where elite specs were't allowed?"

    Ben
    "Events shouldn't exclude large sections of the player base. No restricting events to specific classes, expansions, etc."

    "No restricting events to specific classes, expansions, etc."

    "etc" (etcetera- "used at the end of a list to indicate that further, similar items are included.)... so the "etc" includes "elite specs" as well. Just sayin'

    It might include elite specs, but it might not, the statement is ambiguous.

    Was obviously implied in the context of that sentence...

  • kash.9213kash.9213 Member ✭✭✭

    I like playing DE even if my build is closer to core and I like fighting some other elite builds. I'd probably just not log on during that event, but then I might consider that if they're thinking of other disruptive events instead of just fun events I might just move on.

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  • Sylosi.6503Sylosi.6503 Member ✭✭✭

    @Swagger.1459 said:

    @Sylosi.6503 said:

    @Swagger.1459 said:

    @Dawdler.8521 said:

    @Swagger.1459 said:

    @xZombieTaco.5809 said:
    Idea is the title. How would you guys feel about a WvW event where elite specs were't allowed? How well or unwelcomed do you believe such an event would be?

    @Ben Phongluangtham.1065 said:
    We certainly welcome any ideas for future WvW events!

    Here are some guidelines we've been using in our brainstorming.

    Change the way WvW is played in some way. Doesn't have to be a big change, but should be a change.

    Using events as test beds for permanent changes can be nice, but isn't necessary. There are many things we probably would be willing to do for the length of a matchup, but wouldn't want it to be forever.

    Events shouldn't require large art changes. We want to be able to implement these events quickly and not rely on getting a lot of art that may never be used again.

    Events shouldn't exclude large sections of the player base. No restricting events to specific classes, expansions, etc.

    Looking forward to hearing more ideas!

    Keep in mind that the suggestion in OP is well within the guidelines - it doesnt restrict to specific classes (all allowed) nor does it restrict to expansions (everyone has vanilla). Blocking the selection of elites specs should be fairly trivial and doesnt require any art changes.

    OP
    "How would you guys feel about a WvW event where elite specs were't allowed?"

    Ben
    "Events shouldn't exclude large sections of the player base. No restricting events to specific classes, expansions, etc."

    "No restricting events to specific classes, expansions, etc."

    "etc" (etcetera- "used at the end of a list to indicate that further, similar items are included.)... so the "etc" includes "elite specs" as well. Just sayin'

    It might include elite specs, but it might not, the statement is ambiguous.

    Was obviously implied in the context of that sentence...

    No it isn't, it is ambiguous.

    Restricting an event to a specific expansion obviously excludes people who don't have the expansion, restricting it to specific classes excludes people who don't have those classes, but restricting it to core does not exclude anyone.

    So it entirely depends exactly what they are really bothered about is just that everyone should have a character to play in an event (in which case restricting it to core fits fine with those statements) or are they bothered that everyone should have a full choice of every elite because they think poor little dears will go into meltdown if they can't play whatever they wish for one week.

    Hence it is ambiguous.

  • Swagger.1459Swagger.1459 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Sylosi.6503 said:

    @Swagger.1459 said:

    @Sylosi.6503 said:

    @Swagger.1459 said:

    @Dawdler.8521 said:

    @Swagger.1459 said:

    @xZombieTaco.5809 said:
    Idea is the title. How would you guys feel about a WvW event where elite specs were't allowed? How well or unwelcomed do you believe such an event would be?

    @Ben Phongluangtham.1065 said:
    We certainly welcome any ideas for future WvW events!

    Here are some guidelines we've been using in our brainstorming.

    Change the way WvW is played in some way. Doesn't have to be a big change, but should be a change.

    Using events as test beds for permanent changes can be nice, but isn't necessary. There are many things we probably would be willing to do for the length of a matchup, but wouldn't want it to be forever.

    Events shouldn't require large art changes. We want to be able to implement these events quickly and not rely on getting a lot of art that may never be used again.

    Events shouldn't exclude large sections of the player base. No restricting events to specific classes, expansions, etc.

    Looking forward to hearing more ideas!

    Keep in mind that the suggestion in OP is well within the guidelines - it doesnt restrict to specific classes (all allowed) nor does it restrict to expansions (everyone has vanilla). Blocking the selection of elites specs should be fairly trivial and doesnt require any art changes.

    OP
    "How would you guys feel about a WvW event where elite specs were't allowed?"

    Ben
    "Events shouldn't exclude large sections of the player base. No restricting events to specific classes, expansions, etc."

    "No restricting events to specific classes, expansions, etc."

    "etc" (etcetera- "used at the end of a list to indicate that further, similar items are included.)... so the "etc" includes "elite specs" as well. Just sayin'

    It might include elite specs, but it might not, the statement is ambiguous.

    Was obviously implied in the context of that sentence...

    No it isn't, it is ambiguous.

    Restricting an event to a specific expansion obviously excludes people who don't have the expansion, restricting it to specific classes excludes people who don't have those classes, but restricting it to core does not exclude anyone.

    So it entirely depends exactly what they are really bothered about is just that everyone should have a character to play in an event (in which case restricting it to core fits fine with those statements) or are they bothered that everyone should have a full choice of every elite because they think poor little dears will go into meltdown if they can't play whatever they wish for one week.

    Hence it is ambiguous.

    No, sorry, it was implied.

    Most readers don’t need an exact bullet point list to determine the meaning on Ben’s sentence.

  • Sylosi.6503Sylosi.6503 Member ✭✭✭

    @Swagger.1459 said:

    @Sylosi.6503 said:

    @Swagger.1459 said:

    @Sylosi.6503 said:

    @Swagger.1459 said:

    @Dawdler.8521 said:

    @Swagger.1459 said:

    @xZombieTaco.5809 said:
    Idea is the title. How would you guys feel about a WvW event where elite specs were't allowed? How well or unwelcomed do you believe such an event would be?

    @Ben Phongluangtham.1065 said:
    We certainly welcome any ideas for future WvW events!

    Here are some guidelines we've been using in our brainstorming.

    Change the way WvW is played in some way. Doesn't have to be a big change, but should be a change.

    Using events as test beds for permanent changes can be nice, but isn't necessary. There are many things we probably would be willing to do for the length of a matchup, but wouldn't want it to be forever.

    Events shouldn't require large art changes. We want to be able to implement these events quickly and not rely on getting a lot of art that may never be used again.

    Events shouldn't exclude large sections of the player base. No restricting events to specific classes, expansions, etc.

    Looking forward to hearing more ideas!

    Keep in mind that the suggestion in OP is well within the guidelines - it doesnt restrict to specific classes (all allowed) nor does it restrict to expansions (everyone has vanilla). Blocking the selection of elites specs should be fairly trivial and doesnt require any art changes.

    OP
    "How would you guys feel about a WvW event where elite specs were't allowed?"

    Ben
    "Events shouldn't exclude large sections of the player base. No restricting events to specific classes, expansions, etc."

    "No restricting events to specific classes, expansions, etc."

    "etc" (etcetera- "used at the end of a list to indicate that further, similar items are included.)... so the "etc" includes "elite specs" as well. Just sayin'

    It might include elite specs, but it might not, the statement is ambiguous.

    Was obviously implied in the context of that sentence...

    No it isn't, it is ambiguous.

    Restricting an event to a specific expansion obviously excludes people who don't have the expansion, restricting it to specific classes excludes people who don't have those classes, but restricting it to core does not exclude anyone.

    So it entirely depends exactly what they are really bothered about is just that everyone should have a character to play in an event (in which case restricting it to core fits fine with those statements) or are they bothered that everyone should have a full choice of every elite because they think poor little dears will go into meltdown if they can't play whatever they wish for one week.

    Hence it is ambiguous.

    No, sorry, it was implied.

    Most readers don’t need an exact bullet point list to determine the meaning on Ben’s sentence.

    Then we will have to agree to disagree.

  • Swagger.1459Swagger.1459 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Sylosi.6503 said:

    @Swagger.1459 said:

    @Sylosi.6503 said:

    @Swagger.1459 said:

    @Sylosi.6503 said:

    @Swagger.1459 said:

    @Dawdler.8521 said:

    @Swagger.1459 said:

    @xZombieTaco.5809 said:
    Idea is the title. How would you guys feel about a WvW event where elite specs were't allowed? How well or unwelcomed do you believe such an event would be?

    @Ben Phongluangtham.1065 said:
    We certainly welcome any ideas for future WvW events!

    Here are some guidelines we've been using in our brainstorming.

    Change the way WvW is played in some way. Doesn't have to be a big change, but should be a change.

    Using events as test beds for permanent changes can be nice, but isn't necessary. There are many things we probably would be willing to do for the length of a matchup, but wouldn't want it to be forever.

    Events shouldn't require large art changes. We want to be able to implement these events quickly and not rely on getting a lot of art that may never be used again.

    Events shouldn't exclude large sections of the player base. No restricting events to specific classes, expansions, etc.

    Looking forward to hearing more ideas!

    Keep in mind that the suggestion in OP is well within the guidelines - it doesnt restrict to specific classes (all allowed) nor does it restrict to expansions (everyone has vanilla). Blocking the selection of elites specs should be fairly trivial and doesnt require any art changes.

    OP
    "How would you guys feel about a WvW event where elite specs were't allowed?"

    Ben
    "Events shouldn't exclude large sections of the player base. No restricting events to specific classes, expansions, etc."

    "No restricting events to specific classes, expansions, etc."

    "etc" (etcetera- "used at the end of a list to indicate that further, similar items are included.)... so the "etc" includes "elite specs" as well. Just sayin'

    It might include elite specs, but it might not, the statement is ambiguous.

    Was obviously implied in the context of that sentence...

    No it isn't, it is ambiguous.

    Restricting an event to a specific expansion obviously excludes people who don't have the expansion, restricting it to specific classes excludes people who don't have those classes, but restricting it to core does not exclude anyone.

    So it entirely depends exactly what they are really bothered about is just that everyone should have a character to play in an event (in which case restricting it to core fits fine with those statements) or are they bothered that everyone should have a full choice of every elite because they think poor little dears will go into meltdown if they can't play whatever they wish for one week.

    Hence it is ambiguous.

    No, sorry, it was implied.

    Most readers don’t need an exact bullet point list to determine the meaning on Ben’s sentence.

    Then we will have to agree to disagree.

    You’re entitled to disagree, but the facts are clear by Ben’s post.

  • Sylosi.6503Sylosi.6503 Member ✭✭✭

    @Swagger.1459 said:

    @Sylosi.6503 said:

    @Swagger.1459 said:

    @Sylosi.6503 said:

    @Swagger.1459 said:

    @Sylosi.6503 said:

    @Swagger.1459 said:

    @Dawdler.8521 said:

    @Swagger.1459 said:

    @xZombieTaco.5809 said:
    Idea is the title. How would you guys feel about a WvW event where elite specs were't allowed? How well or unwelcomed do you believe such an event would be?

    @Ben Phongluangtham.1065 said:
    We certainly welcome any ideas for future WvW events!

    Here are some guidelines we've been using in our brainstorming.

    Change the way WvW is played in some way. Doesn't have to be a big change, but should be a change.

    Using events as test beds for permanent changes can be nice, but isn't necessary. There are many things we probably would be willing to do for the length of a matchup, but wouldn't want it to be forever.

    Events shouldn't require large art changes. We want to be able to implement these events quickly and not rely on getting a lot of art that may never be used again.

    Events shouldn't exclude large sections of the player base. No restricting events to specific classes, expansions, etc.

    Looking forward to hearing more ideas!

    Keep in mind that the suggestion in OP is well within the guidelines - it doesnt restrict to specific classes (all allowed) nor does it restrict to expansions (everyone has vanilla). Blocking the selection of elites specs should be fairly trivial and doesnt require any art changes.

    OP
    "How would you guys feel about a WvW event where elite specs were't allowed?"

    Ben
    "Events shouldn't exclude large sections of the player base. No restricting events to specific classes, expansions, etc."

    "No restricting events to specific classes, expansions, etc."

    "etc" (etcetera- "used at the end of a list to indicate that further, similar items are included.)... so the "etc" includes "elite specs" as well. Just sayin'

    It might include elite specs, but it might not, the statement is ambiguous.

    Was obviously implied in the context of that sentence...

    No it isn't, it is ambiguous.

    Restricting an event to a specific expansion obviously excludes people who don't have the expansion, restricting it to specific classes excludes people who don't have those classes, but restricting it to core does not exclude anyone.

    So it entirely depends exactly what they are really bothered about is just that everyone should have a character to play in an event (in which case restricting it to core fits fine with those statements) or are they bothered that everyone should have a full choice of every elite because they think poor little dears will go into meltdown if they can't play whatever they wish for one week.

    Hence it is ambiguous.

    No, sorry, it was implied.

    Most readers don’t need an exact bullet point list to determine the meaning on Ben’s sentence.

    Then we will have to agree to disagree.

    You’re entitled to disagree, but the facts are clear by Ben’s post.

    There are no facts, that is rather the point and why other's in this thread also read it differently to you.

  • Swagger.1459Swagger.1459 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Sylosi.6503 said:

    @Swagger.1459 said:

    @Sylosi.6503 said:

    @Swagger.1459 said:

    @Sylosi.6503 said:

    @Swagger.1459 said:

    @Sylosi.6503 said:

    @Swagger.1459 said:

    @Dawdler.8521 said:

    @Swagger.1459 said:

    @xZombieTaco.5809 said:
    Idea is the title. How would you guys feel about a WvW event where elite specs were't allowed? How well or unwelcomed do you believe such an event would be?

    @Ben Phongluangtham.1065 said:
    We certainly welcome any ideas for future WvW events!

    Here are some guidelines we've been using in our brainstorming.

    Change the way WvW is played in some way. Doesn't have to be a big change, but should be a change.

    Using events as test beds for permanent changes can be nice, but isn't necessary. There are many things we probably would be willing to do for the length of a matchup, but wouldn't want it to be forever.

    Events shouldn't require large art changes. We want to be able to implement these events quickly and not rely on getting a lot of art that may never be used again.

    Events shouldn't exclude large sections of the player base. No restricting events to specific classes, expansions, etc.

    Looking forward to hearing more ideas!

    Keep in mind that the suggestion in OP is well within the guidelines - it doesnt restrict to specific classes (all allowed) nor does it restrict to expansions (everyone has vanilla). Blocking the selection of elites specs should be fairly trivial and doesnt require any art changes.

    OP
    "How would you guys feel about a WvW event where elite specs were't allowed?"

    Ben
    "Events shouldn't exclude large sections of the player base. No restricting events to specific classes, expansions, etc."

    "No restricting events to specific classes, expansions, etc."

    "etc" (etcetera- "used at the end of a list to indicate that further, similar items are included.)... so the "etc" includes "elite specs" as well. Just sayin'

    It might include elite specs, but it might not, the statement is ambiguous.

    Was obviously implied in the context of that sentence...

    No it isn't, it is ambiguous.

    Restricting an event to a specific expansion obviously excludes people who don't have the expansion, restricting it to specific classes excludes people who don't have those classes, but restricting it to core does not exclude anyone.

    So it entirely depends exactly what they are really bothered about is just that everyone should have a character to play in an event (in which case restricting it to core fits fine with those statements) or are they bothered that everyone should have a full choice of every elite because they think poor little dears will go into meltdown if they can't play whatever they wish for one week.

    Hence it is ambiguous.

    No, sorry, it was implied.

    Most readers don’t need an exact bullet point list to determine the meaning on Ben’s sentence.

    Then we will have to agree to disagree.

    You’re entitled to disagree, but the facts are clear by Ben’s post.

    There are no facts, that is rather the point and why other's in this thread also read it differently to you.

    The context of the comments are the facts my friend...

  • Sylosi.6503Sylosi.6503 Member ✭✭✭

    @Swagger.1459 said:

    @Sylosi.6503 said:

    @Swagger.1459 said:

    @Sylosi.6503 said:

    @Swagger.1459 said:

    @Sylosi.6503 said:

    @Swagger.1459 said:

    @Sylosi.6503 said:

    @Swagger.1459 said:

    @Dawdler.8521 said:

    @Swagger.1459 said:

    @xZombieTaco.5809 said:
    Idea is the title. How would you guys feel about a WvW event where elite specs were't allowed? How well or unwelcomed do you believe such an event would be?

    @Ben Phongluangtham.1065 said:
    We certainly welcome any ideas for future WvW events!

    Here are some guidelines we've been using in our brainstorming.

    Change the way WvW is played in some way. Doesn't have to be a big change, but should be a change.

    Using events as test beds for permanent changes can be nice, but isn't necessary. There are many things we probably would be willing to do for the length of a matchup, but wouldn't want it to be forever.

    Events shouldn't require large art changes. We want to be able to implement these events quickly and not rely on getting a lot of art that may never be used again.

    Events shouldn't exclude large sections of the player base. No restricting events to specific classes, expansions, etc.

    Looking forward to hearing more ideas!

    Keep in mind that the suggestion in OP is well within the guidelines - it doesnt restrict to specific classes (all allowed) nor does it restrict to expansions (everyone has vanilla). Blocking the selection of elites specs should be fairly trivial and doesnt require any art changes.

    OP
    "How would you guys feel about a WvW event where elite specs were't allowed?"

    Ben
    "Events shouldn't exclude large sections of the player base. No restricting events to specific classes, expansions, etc."

    "No restricting events to specific classes, expansions, etc."

    "etc" (etcetera- "used at the end of a list to indicate that further, similar items are included.)... so the "etc" includes "elite specs" as well. Just sayin'

    It might include elite specs, but it might not, the statement is ambiguous.

    Was obviously implied in the context of that sentence...

    No it isn't, it is ambiguous.

    Restricting an event to a specific expansion obviously excludes people who don't have the expansion, restricting it to specific classes excludes people who don't have those classes, but restricting it to core does not exclude anyone.

    So it entirely depends exactly what they are really bothered about is just that everyone should have a character to play in an event (in which case restricting it to core fits fine with those statements) or are they bothered that everyone should have a full choice of every elite because they think poor little dears will go into meltdown if they can't play whatever they wish for one week.

    Hence it is ambiguous.

    No, sorry, it was implied.

    Most readers don’t need an exact bullet point list to determine the meaning on Ben’s sentence.

    Then we will have to agree to disagree.

    You’re entitled to disagree, but the facts are clear by Ben’s post.

    There are no facts, that is rather the point and why other's in this thread also read it differently to you.

    The context of the comments are the facts my friend...

    I am sure they are your "facts".

  • Swagger.1459Swagger.1459 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Sylosi.6503 said:

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    @xZombieTaco.5809 said:
    Idea is the title. How would you guys feel about a WvW event where elite specs were't allowed? How well or unwelcomed do you believe such an event would be?

    @Ben Phongluangtham.1065 said:
    We certainly welcome any ideas for future WvW events!

    Here are some guidelines we've been using in our brainstorming.

    Change the way WvW is played in some way. Doesn't have to be a big change, but should be a change.

    Using events as test beds for permanent changes can be nice, but isn't necessary. There are many things we probably would be willing to do for the length of a matchup, but wouldn't want it to be forever.

    Events shouldn't require large art changes. We want to be able to implement these events quickly and not rely on getting a lot of art that may never be used again.

    Events shouldn't exclude large sections of the player base. No restricting events to specific classes, expansions, etc.

    Looking forward to hearing more ideas!

    Keep in mind that the suggestion in OP is well within the guidelines - it doesnt restrict to specific classes (all allowed) nor does it restrict to expansions (everyone has vanilla). Blocking the selection of elites specs should be fairly trivial and doesnt require any art changes.

    OP
    "How would you guys feel about a WvW event where elite specs were't allowed?"

    Ben
    "Events shouldn't exclude large sections of the player base. No restricting events to specific classes, expansions, etc."

    "No restricting events to specific classes, expansions, etc."

    "etc" (etcetera- "used at the end of a list to indicate that further, similar items are included.)... so the "etc" includes "elite specs" as well. Just sayin'

    It might include elite specs, but it might not, the statement is ambiguous.

    Was obviously implied in the context of that sentence...

    No it isn't, it is ambiguous.

    Restricting an event to a specific expansion obviously excludes people who don't have the expansion, restricting it to specific classes excludes people who don't have those classes, but restricting it to core does not exclude anyone.

    So it entirely depends exactly what they are really bothered about is just that everyone should have a character to play in an event (in which case restricting it to core fits fine with those statements) or are they bothered that everyone should have a full choice of every elite because they think poor little dears will go into meltdown if they can't play whatever they wish for one week.

    Hence it is ambiguous.

    No, sorry, it was implied.

    Most readers don’t need an exact bullet point list to determine the meaning on Ben’s sentence.

    Then we will have to agree to disagree.

    You’re entitled to disagree, but the facts are clear by Ben’s post.

    There are no facts, that is rather the point and why other's in this thread also read it differently to you.

    The context of the comments are the facts my friend...

    I am sure they are your "facts".

    Yup!

  • Sounds fun to me.

  • Sure why not, but it also should come with "no damage reduction from armor week" Won't matter if you're wearing light, medium, or heavy; you're taking full damage.

  • Swagger.1459Swagger.1459 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Let's look at it this way...

    Since we know this... "No restricting events to specific classes, expansions, etc."... What could Ben possibly mean by "etc", in addition to "classes" and "expansions"... Let's take a look at a few things!

    "classes" category...

    • specific professions

    "expansions"

    • HoT
    • PoF

    "etc" category that follows along with the "classes" and "expansion" categories...

    • specific builds
    • specific elites
    • specific core builds
    • specific pack (core, hot, pof)

    Ben didn't need to give readers an itemized list... He gave a couple examples to establish a guideline of things that fall into those types of categories. He even used the word "guideline" in his full post to set the expectations and restrictions... Having said that, we are not getting "core only week", because that fall into both the "classes" and "expansion" categories....

    Guideline set. Reader applies logic. That's it.

  • Dawdler.8521Dawdler.8521 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Swagger.1459 said:
    Let's look at it this way...

    Since we know this... "No restricting events to specific classes, expansions, etc."... What could Ben possibly mean by "etc", in addition to "classes" and "expansions"... Let's take a look at a few things!

    "classes" category...

    • specific professions

    "expansions"

    • HoT
    • PoF

    "etc" category that follows along with the "classes" and "expansion" categories...

    • specific builds
    • specific elites
    • specific core builds
    • specific pack (core, hot, pof)

    Ben didn't need to give readers an itemized list... He gave a couple examples to establish a guideline of things that fall into those types of categories. He even used the word "guideline" in his full post to set the expectations and restrictions... Having said that, we are not getting "core only week", because that fall into both the "classes" and "expansion" categories....

    Guideline set. Reader applies logic. That's it.

    Your interpretation of "etc" is completely out of whack. You are literally taking Anets words and twisting them into what you want them to be to apply rules they never stated. And again, as I mentioned above, no downed state week instantly break with the guidelines as it exclude specific classes and builds by proxy - it breaks class mechanics and traits. Yet we still got a no downed state week.

  • Swagger.1459Swagger.1459 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Dawdler.8521 said:

    @Swagger.1459 said:
    Let's look at it this way...

    Since we know this... "No restricting events to specific classes, expansions, etc."... What could Ben possibly mean by "etc", in addition to "classes" and "expansions"... Let's take a look at a few things!

    "classes" category...

    • specific professions

    "expansions"

    • HoT
    • PoF

    "etc" category that follows along with the "classes" and "expansion" categories...

    • specific builds
    • specific elites
    • specific core builds
    • specific pack (core, hot, pof)

    Ben didn't need to give readers an itemized list... He gave a couple examples to establish a guideline of things that fall into those types of categories. He even used the word "guideline" in his full post to set the expectations and restrictions... Having said that, we are not getting "core only week", because that fall into both the "classes" and "expansion" categories....

    Guideline set. Reader applies logic. That's it.

    Your interpretation of "etc" is completely out of whack. You are literally taking Anets words and twisting them into what you want them to be to apply rules they never stated. And again, as I mentioned above, no downed state week instantly break with the guidelines as it exclude specific classes and builds by proxy - it breaks class mechanics and traits. Yet we still got a no downed state week.

    My “interpretation of” Ben’s “etc” in that post follows exactly what was written as examples...

    “etc" (etcetera- "used at the end of a list to indicate that further, similar items are included.)

    “similar items are included.”. “similar items” i.e. core, would be a “similar” item based off of Ben’s own words... What about “similar items are included” is not understandable? “Etc” is not a new concept, and readers understood Ben’s guideline in that thread...

    A specific mechanic, like downed state, is vastly diffferent than locking out 18 elite specialization, weapons, slot skills and traits from play... Pretty far reaching to equate the two somehow...

  • Dawdler.8521Dawdler.8521 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Swagger.1459 said:
    A specific mechanic, like downed state, is vastly diffferent than locking out 18 elite specialization, weapons, slot skills and traits from play... Pretty far reaching to equate the two somehow...

    Far reaching is adding your own twist to etc wen the important part is obviously about excluding a large part of the player base.

    Heres a simple and single question I would like you to answer:

    Does only allowing vanilla stop/exlude anyone from from joining WvW regardless of the class they are logged in with?

    If you answer no, its within the guidelines.

    If you answer yes, I'll give you that and leave the thread, it does exlude people. I'd like to know the reason other than "I cant play my elite spec for a week!!!", but I dont think I'll get something.

    Now answer truthfully.

  • MUDse.7623MUDse.7623 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @XatraZaytrax.2601 said:
    I think they should have a flashback event, where everything in WVW, including player specs, terrain, siege, etc. are reverted back to the way it was at launch. I think it would be eye opening to see how far things have come and might be a fun, nostalgic blast for long-time players.

    with the target caps from launch?

    read this, become a better player now.

  • Swagger.1459Swagger.1459 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Dawdler.8521 said:

    @Swagger.1459 said:
    A specific mechanic, like downed state, is vastly diffferent than locking out 18 elite specialization, weapons, slot skills and traits from play... Pretty far reaching to equate the two somehow...

    Far reaching is adding your own twist to etc wen the important part is obviously about excluding a large part of the player base.

    Heres a simple and single question I would like you to answer:

    Does only allowing vanilla stop/exlude anyone from from joining WvW regardless of the class they are logged in with?

    If you answer no, its within the guidelines.

    If you answer yes, I'll give you that and leave the thread, it does exlude people. I'd like to know the reason other than "I cant play my elite spec for a week!!!", but I dont think I'll get something.

    Now answer truthfully.

    How do you not understand what Ben said?

    You should ask him directly if you can’t figure it out... go ahead and pm him if you need further clarification...

  • Dawdler.8521Dawdler.8521 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Swagger.1459 said:

    @Dawdler.8521 said:

    @Swagger.1459 said:
    A specific mechanic, like downed state, is vastly diffferent than locking out 18 elite specialization, weapons, slot skills and traits from play... Pretty far reaching to equate the two somehow...

    Far reaching is adding your own twist to etc wen the important part is obviously about excluding a large part of the player base.

    Heres a simple and single question I would like you to answer:

    Does only allowing vanilla stop/exlude anyone from from joining WvW regardless of the class they are logged in with?

    If you answer no, its within the guidelines.

    If you answer yes, I'll give you that and leave the thread, it does exlude people. I'd like to know the reason other than "I cant play my elite spec for a week!!!", but I dont think I'll get something.

    Now answer truthfully.

    How do you not understand what Ben said?

    You should ask him directly if you can’t figure it out... go ahead and pm him if you need further clarification...

    That is not an answer and I will not pester devs with trivial matters.

  • Safandula.8723Safandula.8723 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Zerg made out of s/d thiefs, I'm in :D

  • LaGranse.8652LaGranse.8652 Member ✭✭✭

    I would like to point out the usage of the word "restrict" in ben's post. When you restrict something it is either such that only that within the restriction is allowed or you restrict something so it is excluded from choice.

    What does this mean? People have mentioned that the no downstate event excluded the scrapper elite specialization however during the event the scrapper e-spec was not excluded from your choices of traitlines, some functionallity was lost however your choice was not restricted.

    The proposed event in this thread mentions restricting players choices to only include core traitlines. Thus e-specs become excluded from choice in your traitlines and this breaks the sugested guidelines.

  • Dawdler.8521Dawdler.8521 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @LaGranse.8652 said:
    I would like to point out the usage of the word "restrict" in ben's post. When you restrict something it is either such that only that within the restriction is allowed or you restrict something so it is excluded from choice.

    What does this mean? People have mentioned that the no downstate event excluded the scrapper elite specialization however during the event the scrapper e-spec was not excluded from your choices of traitlines, some functionallity was lost however your choice was not restricted.

    The proposed event in this thread mentions restricting players choices to only include core traitlines. Thus e-specs become excluded from choice in your traitlines and this breaks the sugested guidelines.

    Exluding from choice of specs is the same as excluding traits from certain trait lines by removing the ability to down state. Neither stops anyone from joining WvW and playing whatever class they want.

    Otherwise you might as well still have the option to choose an elite but all traits are untrained and you cant buy new hero points, until you leave WvW and it revert to what you had before.

    There you go, problem solved lol. You can still choose elite specs, you just have no traits. Just like downed state week.

    What, this is about as logical an argument as trying to interpret the meaning of "etc".

  • phokus.8934phokus.8934 Member ✭✭✭✭

    People really do argue about everything.

    Bens point is that they will never restrict a class/elite from wvw.

  • Strider Pj.2193Strider Pj.2193 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Dawdler.8521 said:

    @LaGranse.8652 said:
    I would like to point out the usage of the word "restrict" in ben's post. When you restrict something it is either such that only that within the restriction is allowed or you restrict something so it is excluded from choice.

    What does this mean? People have mentioned that the no downstate event excluded the scrapper elite specialization however during the event the scrapper e-spec was not excluded from your choices of traitlines, some functionallity was lost however your choice was not restricted.

    The proposed event in this thread mentions restricting players choices to only include core traitlines. Thus e-specs become excluded from choice in your traitlines and this breaks the sugested guidelines.

    -snip

    What, this is about as logical an argument as trying to interpret the meaning of "etc".

    *et cet·er·a

    adverb
    adverb: etcetera
    used at the end of a list to indicate that further, similar items are included.
    "we're trying to resolve problems of obtaining equipment, drugs, et cetera"
    synonyms: and so on, and so forth, and so on and so forth, and the rest, and/or the like, and/or suchlike, and/or more of the same, and/or similar things, et cetera et cetera, and others, among others, et al., etc.; More
    indicating that a list is too tedious or clichéd to give in full.
    "we've all got to do our duty, pull our weight, et cetera, et cetera"*

    [copypasta]

    There you go.

  • i would like to see a melee week no range Attacks XD

  • @Blockhead Magee.3092 said:
    I don't see Anet ever removing skills in a game mode like that. I think it would cause a vast amount of frustration for most players and frustrating players is not something they want to intentionally do.

    Except they frustrate WvW players all the time, so that argument doesn't really hold much ground/water.

  • KeyOrion.9506KeyOrion.9506 Member ✭✭✭

    Old school rumble. Hmmm...interesting concept. As long as I don't have to deal with the 1-2 hit thieves and your downed and dead from first year, should be great.

  • TheGrimm.5624TheGrimm.5624 Member ✭✭✭✭

    I run both core and elite toons in WvW. That said I don't think this would work since it would require people that only have a few toons to have to regear before they could WvW. I think that would hurt the population while the event was running and be a bit of burden placed on people that don't play core classes. Unless Anet was to provide free gear and gold for the week not sure this would go over and even then I think it would alienate some players since they may be getting in to play to find they can't.

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  • wanya.1697wanya.1697 Member ✭✭✭

    why regear? its just about no access to elite specs in traits if I did not get it wrong? could be fun maybe blasting combo fields could be usefull again

  • TheGrimm.5624TheGrimm.5624 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @wanya.1697 said:
    why regear? its just about no access to elite specs in traits if I did not get it wrong? could be fun maybe blasting combo fields could be usefull again

    A lot of people run gear associated to the weapons and traits they have access to. Example I have three engineers; 1 Core, 1 Scrapper, 1 Holo. They use pretty different gear. If I just had my halo then I would have gear that wouldn't be available to my core engi. For me it's not a big deal since I had the other 2, but for a player that might not they are left with equipment they can't even use potentially as well as gear, sigils and runes that support another build. Again on paper seems like a good idea but it would be disruptive for non-alt-o-holics and for min/maxers.

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  • whoknocks.4935whoknocks.4935 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Might be cool to see how core specs changed through the years.

    S tier: Core warriors, guardians and thieves.
    A tier: Core mesmer, necro and ranger.
    Trash tier: Core engi, revenant.
    Skill based tier: Core ele (based on your skill level you might be S or trash tier).

    Probably would be way more balanced roaming than the condi mirages, bowcampbeasts and holos we have around now.

  • Dawdler.8521Dawdler.8521 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @whoknocks.4935 said:
    (based on your skill level you might be S or trash tier).

    That is my experience fighting anyone on any spec. I've met vanilla engineers more dangerous than inept mirages.

  • @wanya.1697 said:
    why regear? its just about no access to elite specs in traits if I did not get it wrong? could be fun maybe blasting combo fields could be usefull again

    Correct. Everything would be the same, just no elite specs

  • whoknocks.4935whoknocks.4935 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Dawdler.8521 said:

    @whoknocks.4935 said:
    (based on your skill level you might be S or trash tier).

    That is my experience fighting anyone on any spec. I've met vanilla engineers more dangerous than inept mirages.

    I don't know... that happens only if there is an insane different in skill level.

    Like for example an inept mirage who just opened the game ever in 1 hour, or a thousand hours core engi.

    As core engi you simply don't have the sustain tools to compete with the other specs, even if core.

    For example core guardian warrior and thief are on the level of HoT and PoF specs if not better in many scenarios (talking of roaming).

  • @xZombieTaco.5809 said:
    Idea is the title. How would you guys feel about a WvW event where elite specs were't allowed? How well or unwelcomed do you believe such an event would be?

    Sounds fun, i'd be in :)

  • Bigpapasmurf.5623Bigpapasmurf.5623 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Sounds within the rules to me to have a core only week. Trash teir or not...ive rekt lots of people over the years with my core engi build :)

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