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This creeping silence is totally ruining the mood

First of all I don't intend to accomplish anything whatsoever with this, Just putting it out of my chest. I love GW2. I've bought both expansions for both me and my wife and we had alot of fun... But the way things are being handled currently, it's getting to the point we are anxious regarding they game's future -
probably worried for nothing, but with no mentionings or communications of late on what could we expect on the horizon it's really frustrating to log in and keep the routine. We don't log in often anymore and lots of guild members are starting to lose interest in the game, to the point there isn't anyone to talk to in our guild's discord or ingame chat.
Please don't let this silence ruin the experience of your playerbase. We are really looking foward for something to give us a little more hope on what we could expect, aside from the speculation that"s going on.
Best regards

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  • Danikat.8537Danikat.8537 Member ✭✭✭✭

    They've actually said slightly more than they usually do at this point in the process - in that they've told us after season 4 we're getting season 5 instead of an expansion.

    HoT wasn't announced until the last episode of Season 2, and although PoF was assumed to be coming after Season 3 (because apparently doing something once establishes a pattern which must be followed exactly in future) it wasn't actually announced until Season 3 ended. So based on that "pattern" we shouldn't be expecting to hear anything about the next release until the final episode of Season 4 launches, but I guess they wanted to manage expectations since they're doing things differently, and maybe because by now most people know what a Living World Season entails so it's not going to set up unrealistic expectations to say one is coming.

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  • @Goettel.4389 said:
    Rest assured not even 10% of the player-base is interested in anything outside actually playing the game, including reading or hearing about "communications".
    So don't let your perceived "creeping silence" ruin your mood. Just enjoy the game, or don't.

    And the majority of those who "only care for playing the game" don't really play it, they skip as much as possible to get rewards ;)

    But as for what the TC said. Radio-silence is usually a bad thing. But there isn't too much they can say. Anything that sounds like a promise, is a red flag, broken promises had happen before and they're hard to recover from. So the best tactic to make sure that doesn't happen, is to not say anything at all.

    But it begs the question of, what exactly are the members of the Community Support team doing right now, if not communicating with us?

  • Goettel.4389Goettel.4389 Member ✭✭✭

    @Riku.4821 said:

    @Goettel.4389 said:
    Rest assured not even 10% of the player-base is interested in anything outside actually playing the game, including reading or hearing about "communications".
    So don't let your perceived "creeping silence" ruin your mood. Just enjoy the game, or don't.

    And the majority of those who "only care for playing the game" don't really play it, they skip as much as possible to get rewards ;)

    But as for what the TC said. Radio-silence is usually a bad thing. But there isn't too much they can say. Anything that sounds like a promise, is a red flag, broken promises had happen before and they're hard to recover from. So the best tactic to make sure that doesn't happen, is to not say anything at all.

    But it begs the question of, what exactly are the members of the Community Support team doing right now, if not communicating with us?

    I've seen plenty of official response on these forums, with some of it happily off-beat.
    Let's not presume how people do their jobs, right? If only because I hate people doing that to me. Let them work, and enjoy. Or don't. It's only a game, right? :-)

  • TheOrlyFactor.8341TheOrlyFactor.8341 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited February 19, 2019

    @Randulf.7614 said:
    It has been that way for years. It is policy not to talk until ready to ship because a small handful ruined it for the rest of us by unfairly claiming broken promises.

    This is the crux of the issue.

    While it is frustrating, I can't and don't blame Anet for the (mostly) radio silence. It really does take a few bad (and obnoxiously loud) apples to ruin it for everyone else. :T

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  • keenedge.9675keenedge.9675 Member ✭✭✭

    @TheOrlyFactor.8341 said:

    @Randulf.7614 said:
    It is policy not to talk until ready to ship because a small handful ruined it for the rest of us by unfairly claiming broken promises.

    While it is frustrating, I can't and don't blame Anet for the (mostly) radio silence. It really does take a few bad (and obnoxiously loud) apples to ruin it for everyone else. :T

    On the bright side, they repaired/reworked the forum website a bit so they didn't have to depend on Reddit 'as much'.

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  • You're not alone OP. As a vet, I also worry that this game is not going to move forward in a positive, valuable way. We have nothing to do to advance our characters in end game in any real meaningful way. What worries me is that Anet is so afraid of making real changes to shake this game up, we may be stuck in the holding pattern forever. This is the last year for me. If we don't get a REAL expansion (higher lvls, new gear, new ways to advance our character NOT by grinding) then I will be moving to ESO permanently.

  • Gop.8713Gop.8713 Member ✭✭✭✭

    I'm one of the ppl who doesn't pay a lot of attn to promises of 'upcoming' content so since I'm out of the loop a little bit I'm curious as to what the OP is seeking communication about . . .

    SAB should be upcoming, and the next LS ep which should carry with it content similar to previous releases. I'd only be interested in communications about that future content if anet was planning to deviate from the expected pattern and give us something else instead . . .

    If anet was going to start communicating more I'd like to see more openness about what they are doing rather than what they are planning to do . . .

  • zealex.9410zealex.9410 Member ✭✭✭✭

    [insert "they tried to communicate but we were rude so they stopped" here]

  • zealex.9410zealex.9410 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Illconceived Was Na.9781 said:
    Over the years of watching ANet, I'm generally more worried when they start talking. They aren't all that good at understanding what should be hyped and what they should leave well enough alone. They are really good at generating stuff that's worth my time, that's fun, and that seems to be fun for others, too.

    ANet isn't my friend; I don't care if they stop talking to me. I care about what they deliver.

    Its not a matter of anet being your friend or not, its about remembering this game exists or has a future and a direction more often than once every 3 months.

  • Danikat.8537Danikat.8537 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @wickedkae.4980 said:
    You're not alone OP. As a vet, I also worry that this game is not going to move forward in a positive, valuable way. We have nothing to do to advance our characters in end game in any real meaningful way. What worries me is that Anet is so afraid of making real changes to shake this game up, we may be stuck in the holding pattern forever. This is the last year for me. If we don't get a REAL expansion (higher lvls, new gear, new ways to advance our character NOT by grinding) then I will be moving to ESO permanently.

    I honestly don't mean this to sound insulting, but you may as well save yourself a year and leave now. What you're hoping for goes completely against the design philosophy of the entire Guild Wars franchise. GW1 never got a level or gear increase in its entire lifetime, and GW2 has only had the addition of ascended gear. It's highly unlikely we'll get a gear/level treadmill now. It's not a 'holding pattern' it's the design model Anet have chosen to use, and on top of that I think a lot of people would be extremely unhappy if they changed it now because that focus on horizontal progression, which was a big part of the games advertising, is what attracted them to the game.

    Also I'd be wary of moving to ESO if that's your criteria. They stopped increasing the Champion Point cap a few releases ago (both the maximum gear level and the number of CP you can allocate) and rumour has it they're looking at removing CP entirely, or fundamentally changing it and what they'll replace it with is unknown. It may be better for players like you, since some people currently complain that CP not only makes almost all existing content trivial but also causes diminishing returns where the higher you go the less you get in return for your efforts. But it might also be like the One Tamriel update where they choose to solve the problem by shifting more towards a horizontal progression model like GW2 uses.

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    And you run till night is black, And keep on going in your dreams,
    And you know all the long while, It's the journey that you seek,
    It's the miles of moving forward, With the wind beneath your wings."

  • Ayakaru.6583Ayakaru.6583 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Anets policy is simple, the less we say, the less can be held againt us.
    They did give us a rough sketch.
    One more episode for season 4, and then we have season 5 straight after, probably with another 6 episodes. Meaning the next expansion wont be before late 2020.

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  • I personally feel that currently Anet talks to us regularly enough. Honestly what is this topic even about? People just like to randomly complain sometimes smh.

  • Asum.4960Asum.4960 Member ✭✭✭
    edited February 19, 2019

    @wickedkae.4980 said:
    You're not alone OP. As a vet, I also worry that this game is not going to move forward in a positive, valuable way. We have nothing to do to advance our characters in end game in any real meaningful way. What worries me is that Anet is so afraid of making real changes to shake this game up, we may be stuck in the holding pattern forever. This is the last year for me. If we don't get a REAL expansion (higher lvls, new gear, new ways to advance our character NOT by grinding) then I will be moving to ESO permanently.

    Completely arbitrarily forcing me to redo all my 20-30 ascended gear sets for slightly higher numbers on them, making older content even easier than it already is, is possible the worst move Anet could ever make (and they won't).
    How that constitutes as real and meaningful progression is beyond me.

    Even as a player with multiple legendary armors, which presumably would just be updated to the new cap in such a scenario, that could kill the game for me, just because of how much pointless work it would be still.

    Concerning the main topic, I would also really like to know if we are getting another expansion or not as well, together with a very rough eta.
    The announcement of continuous Living Story indeed was a bit worrysome, as that type of release doesn't deliver what I'm interested in, with new ways to play the game (Specialisations, expansion mechanics etc) being more important to me than "just" new content to be played for a day or two.

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  • Yh I remember why I left this game...
    Hopefully tomorrow brings something fresh, otherwise I'm out lol

  • Mikali.9651Mikali.9651 Member ✭✭✭
    edited February 19, 2019

    they could learn a bit from FFXIV and Square Enix. They are a beautiful company, even if they don't deliver all the time, you can see they really care. So many talks about what will come, roadmaps, even huge events for fans where even lead game designer and CEO are present. You can see in the way higher positioned persons interact with the community how much they love their work and how much they want the success but yet how down to earth they are. That's the company that has FUN. Hard working people that want to live in the world they built.

    It is not all happy glasses and all good, but it is miles ahead of Anet that can't even speak up and interact with us in a meaningful way. When reading the reviews on Glassdoor https://www.glassdoor.com/Reviews/ArenaNet-Reviews-E255820.htm all has more sense. Their own people are lost.

    • "Managers of all levels need to get more involved with the development process, and offer actual direction, as opposed to ignoring projects until the last minute then coming in and asking for huge, sweeping changes to things that have been locked down for months."

    • "There are major problems currently in middle management, making it an exceptionally stressful and demoralizing place to work."

    • "Moves fast, breaks things, but does not necessarily go back to fix them. This leads to a lot of hard to decipher legacy products, code, and design.
      Lack of communication between teams
      Their production style creates knowledge and specialty silos which does not promote cross-discipline work. Like, artists not knowing what designers are doing, or server programmers do not know what other client programmers are … "

    • "There are some communication problems within production and a general "go with the flow" attitude about planning that forces a lot of unnecessary re-scoping of even the smallest parts. Nothing unusual or extreme by industry standards but definitely something to consider. We can always be better."

    • "A little more focus on transparency and communication. There is a lot being done by the higher-ups to improve, but there is work to be done in middle-management and overall studio culture."

    It is the serious problem with communication. Not only to us but in their own house. If they can't clean their own house, how do you expect they will do any better here?

    To not be all negative, there are positive things people who worked with Anet said:

    • "Some amazing minds without "shoulder chips" to worry about, ArenaNet is a highly art-centric and creative work environment. There are a no-crunch focus and family-friendly mentality that is hard to find elsewhere in the industry."

    • "Hardly any crunch hours, you can take breaks."

    • "-Great place to work. People who work here are very nice and helpful"

    • "- This company is one of the most diverse, accepting places I have ever worked. Tons of women and minorities in prominent leadership positions.
      Extremely friendly team. Everyone is here to help if you just ask.
      A legitimately anti-crunch studio. Work-life balance is a clear priority.
      Great product with a passionate fan base."

    ...not sure how I like them not having crunch hours. It seems that development is so slow because of the combination of 2 things: bad communication flow and too laid-back working hours.

  • Danikat.8537Danikat.8537 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Maybe I don't worry as much about regular updates on what's coming next and further into the future because I don't commit myself to a specific game and expect it to hold my attention indefinitely. I play because I enjoy it and if I'm not enjoying it I simply won't log in until I want to. If there's nothing coming which interests me that just means once I get through the stuff I have to do now I'll spend more time playing other games instead. (Maybe that's why I never got into subscription MMOs, I feel like they're built to encourage that kind of commitment, because of course they lose money much more directly if you're not logging in regularly.)

    Of course there's some risk to Anet there - if I lose interest in the game for long enough I may not come back when there is new content. (Although I'm also not likely to go through all the hassle of leaving Facebook groups and pages and cancelling email updates just because I've lost interest in a game, so chances are I'd hear about it.) But that's Anet's problem and something I assume they've considered as part of their communication strategy. And if not it's a great opportunity to let the money do the talking - they'll see sales fall off because people aren't logging in to see the stuff they sell and if that doesn't get the message through then I highly doubt anything I can say will help them.

    In this case I think it also helps that I like the living story and see expansions as basically a season bundled together which I have to pay extra for, so all I really need to know at this point is another season is coming after this one. Since I won't have to pay extra unless I miss the release window (which is unusual even for me now they're a few months long) I don't need to know exactly what's in it because I don't need to decide if I want to buy it or not. I can wait until it's released and then see which parts I want to play.

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    And you run till night is black, And keep on going in your dreams,
    And you know all the long while, It's the journey that you seek,
    It's the miles of moving forward, With the wind beneath your wings."

  • Bloodstealer.5978Bloodstealer.5978 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited February 19, 2019

    @ProverbsofHell.2307 said:
    I personally feel that currently Anet talks to us regularly enough. Honestly what is this topic even about? People just like to randomly complain sometimes smh.

    TBH.. I think what you say is true, but bourne out of personal frustration with the game, the decision making and direction sometimes and that's perfectly normal.
    As a counter ANET stay silent until they are ready to push narrative out to spare them from having to backpeddle when issues arise. Lets be honest ANET are never going to please or appease everyone all the time.

    That said there does seem to be a growing desire to at least hear from ANET in respect of.. "is another expansion on the cards or has that dog had it's day?" If an expansion is not in the pipeworks or being planned then perhaps we can all have a clear view of the direction of the game and whether it will be the LS small content updates that will carry the torch going forward.
    I don't think we need dates or specifics, just some clarification on the actual topic of "expansion yay or nay"... it is whether ANET is willing to address that question or not - my personal feeling is they wont especially if it's a nay.

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  • If it wasn't for Gaile and Ben we wouldn't get any info on these forums at all, the stance they take with the no communication until x or y event, is hurting them more than anything, they want this to be the official forums, yet we tend to get more info from twitter/Reddit, even the twitch channel is where the WvW announcement was first brought up,

    These forums should be the first port of call for any info, or put it across all the platforms at the same time, there is a post on Reddit today about a players guild who have all quit the game because nothing is changing, people dont have anything to look forward too, i have friends who have quit this game and i cannot get them to come back no matter what i say/do,

    The PR department ( if they still have one ) really doesn't promote this game at all, i never see Ad's for this game anywhere, yet i still see them for WoW etc, maybe they want to stay on the low side and just keep plugging along, but it seems a shame that such a great game will end up fading into the background,

    I see people saying they dont say or do x / y because of push back, at the end of the day they are the Devs if they want to do something, they should do it, only they know what way they want the game to go, sure if its something completely game breaking, then they should listen to feed back, but if its the usual OMG i geared this toon up and now the armor is useless, or i made this weapon and now its not meta, that should be considered LOW on the scale of things.

  • Mikali.9651Mikali.9651 Member ✭✭✭
    edited February 19, 2019

    I don't think we need dates or specifics, just some clarification on the actual topic of "expansion yay or nay"... it is whether ANET is willing to address that question or not - my personal feeling is they won't especially if it's a nay.

    Yes, I do believe however that there are 3 scenarios unfolding:

    1. LS5 will have the expansion content. That is what Anet stated previously, in my own words "we are proud of LS5 and it will have expansion-worthy content".

    If you see LS4, you can't but say that we did get a new mount, new mastery, raid, fractal, pve maps, some weapons that can be unlocked by playing the game. I don't remember any other seasons giving us such content. If this is how they will continue to do it, it could actually be very good. Instead of getting all in one go, we get pieces every 3 months to combat the drought that could happen with the expansion release (players rushing to finish all the content and waiting for the next 2 years for a new expansion release).
    Another positive aspect of this approach would be the time they buy to finish the endings. If you are forced to release an expansion in one release, you are bound to rush the content and thus possibly lowering the quality of it. This way they can have more time to make such content in a more calm way and with fewer bugs/mistakes.

    The negatives come from the marketing, how do you interest new potential customers with just LS releases? How do you make a hype? How do you do your marketing? It seems clumsy in that regard.

    And, if you want to make it work, then you really need to make those chapters count. No more just maps with 4 hearts, a few events and basically 0 replayability. It needs to have far more quality and content. Elite specs, life skills (housing, fishing, sailing, grow your own garden, ya know, things that BDO and Archeage have), build templates, more instanced group content (ex. story replayability on a Hard mode - with a need to have a group of players - like dungeons were previously, with their own unique rewards - skins or titles, or something else).

    1. LS5 will be released and after it the expansion. The team is working on expansion and needs more time. If that is so, then the reason is that they are making a new continent - possibly a Cantha, but it doesn't need to be, it's my personal wish - with new race Tengu (which needs more time for all the armor skins to work for them). I do hope that they introduce new Villains and get away from dragons as early as the end of LS5. I need something with more personality - like Shiro was.

    2. A lot of their developers are working on new games. I do believe that Anet wants to have more games under their belt, it does not need to be just Guild Wars. If that is the reason, then it is not surprising that we are getting content so slowly - most of their resources are put on a new project(s) so GW2 suffers. As the company grows, their hunger for new things and ideas also. This is bad for GW2 in a long run, so they are making their LS5 expansion-worth content as the way to finish the story about dragons. This way they get more time for touching points to unfold the story.

    In a year-2 years time, they will release their new game (it does not need to be GW3, it can be something completely different). It is very possible that the game will be a single player focused or some kind of one big map online game, both of which do not need more development time after they are made (maybe even a quality mobile game). Then they can put some of their developers and people back into GW2 for something new and fresh while getting their money/resources from another game and have more sources for their income.
    I do believe that Anet does not want to stop working on GW2, but it would make sense if they want to explore other things and put GW2 a bit aside before getting back into it in full scope.
    I myself would rather like GW3, with a greatly made transition from GW2, starting a bit different. They wanted GW2 not to have Trinity so they made their combat and skill design in such a fashion, but it kinda backfired multiple times. From abusing the stacking in a corner to making it hard to make a good group content that is not just a spam fest, and huge balance problems. With new engine and structure, with better-made combat suited for a group play, they could do wonders in GW3, while still taking away a lot from GW2.

  • Bloodstealer.5978Bloodstealer.5978 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited February 19, 2019

    @Ok I Did It.2854 said:
    If it wasn't for Gaile and Ben we wouldn't get any info on these forums at all, the stance they take with the no communication until x or y event, is hurting them more than anything, they want this to be the official forums, yet we tend to get more info from twitter/Reddit, even the twitch channel is where the WvW announcement was first brought up,

    These forums should be the first port of call for any info, or put it across all the platforms at the same time, there is a post on Reddit today about a players guild who have all quit the game because nothing is changing, people dont have anything to look forward too, i have friends who have quit this game and i cannot get them to come back no matter what i say/do,

    The PR department ( if they still have one ) really doesn't promote this game at all, i never see Ad's for this game anywhere, yet i still see them for WoW etc, maybe they want to stay on the low side and just keep plugging along, but it seems a shame that such a great game will end up fading into the background,

    I see people saying they dont say or do x / y because of push back, at the end of the day they are the Devs if they want to do something, they should do it, only they know what way they want the game to go, sure if its something completely game breaking, then they should listen to feed back, but if its the usual OMG i geared this toon up and now the armor is useless, or i made this weapon and now its not meta, that should be considered LOW on the scale of things.

    Unfortunately it is not the devs that make those decisions, they just make what is asked for happen. We as players do however want them to answer for those decisions on a constant daily basis. Unfortunately the kind of answers we often seek need to come from much higher up the chain, not the devs themselves.
    At the end of the day GW2 is a product that is developed not just for our enjoyment, but to make money for the business and pay those that work on it from the office cleaners to the CEO and although devs will have a lot of input, its ultimately others higher up process that make decisions that best serve the business interest, the devs will then work their magic to make good on those decisions, just don't expect them to be able to elaborate to much beyond that, for good reason

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  • Alyster.9470Alyster.9470 Member
    edited February 19, 2019

    Well, I hope Anet will read these. This is also my issue with the game these days. I dont mind if there is an expansion, LWS5-6-7 or something else.

    If only Anet tell us what their plan is in a larger scale then people would not lose their interest in the game. Anet can state what the LWS5 will bring to the game or answer the questions about if there will be an expansion or not, then people will keep playing the game and experience the progression and be hyped for the upcoming news.

    Currently the situation is like this;
    “New episode!”.
    “Everyone hyped”,
    “plays non-stop 1 month”,
    “starts to be repetitive”,
    “2 month complete silence”,
    “starts to ask Anet what will happen next”,
    “still silence”,
    “more silence”,
    “delay”.
    “New episode!”,
    repeat.

  • Loosmaster.8263Loosmaster.8263 Member ✭✭✭✭

    You should try WvW/sPvP for a while then come back and edit your post...

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  • Critical Lag.9075Critical Lag.9075 Member ✭✭✭
    edited February 19, 2019

    We don't log in often anymore and lots of guild members are starting to lose interest in the game, to the point there isn't anyone to talk to in our guild's discord or ingame chat.

    I think this is because how little replayability new content has. 2hour story every 3.5 months, 1 map with same generic hearts and events like any other open world map ever doesn't really keep people interested. All my guilds are falling apart and friends stop playing. They come back for a week after release, get story done, play new map few times and they quit until next episode...

  • Gehenna.3625Gehenna.3625 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Loosmaster.8263 said:
    You should try WvW/sPvP for a while then come back and edit your post...

    sPvP sucks and WvW can be fun for limited amounts of time... what's your point exactly?

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  • Loosmaster.8263Loosmaster.8263 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Gehenna.3625 said:

    @Loosmaster.8263 said:
    You should try WvW/sPvP for a while then come back and edit your post...

    sPvP sucks and WvW can be fun for limited amounts of time... what's your point exactly?

    Did you read the OP's post and about the lack of communication? Now apply that to those 2 modes...

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  • Gehenna.3625Gehenna.3625 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Loosmaster.8263 said:

    @Gehenna.3625 said:

    @Loosmaster.8263 said:
    You should try WvW/sPvP for a while then come back and edit your post...

    sPvP sucks and WvW can be fun for limited amounts of time... what's your point exactly?

    Did you read the OP's post and about the lack of communication? Now apply that to those 2 modes...

    People just get confused about what the OP means. He's not talking about ArenaNet not communicating at all but not communicating about the future of the game much. Do you know when the LS5 starts? Do you know when we can expect the next expansion? I don't think he's after ArenaNet talking about the game in general but more of a roadmap of what's coming because people are bored with what the game currently has without anything to look forward to. The horizon is pretty empty at the moment.

    And if you are suggesting that they are roadmapping sPvP and WvW activities then surely playing those modes will not get you that information. Is there a link you can show where we can read about the future of sPvP and WvW for the next year or so?

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  • Cerioth.7062Cerioth.7062 Member ✭✭✭

    From my experience Arenanet still communicates more than many other gaming companies. They are also likely very limited on what kind of information they can post - they cannot give us empty promises or "x will happen soon!" because well... in the world of companies and game development things change. The devs are not superhumans and we sometimes should remember that. I mean, it is not that long ago when they posted that video talking about season 5 that comes after season 4, and what kind of plans they have for that. We also know that the big WvW change is coming once they get that one sorted out. They have also asked about quality of life ideas and are probably working on implementing some of those.

    There is constant new content. I think players should not get stuck in 1 type of content (like say, only playing story+expansion stuff and then complaining about boredom). That limits your changes. Get out of your comfort zone, try new things (by try I do not mean 2 feeble attempts, I mean putting in serious effort to try and understand all the game modes) - set your foot in raiding, fractals, WvW, PVP, do stories on different builds or classes, implement challenges for yourself, work on fashion wars, craft a legendary, work on stuff only a few in the community have... there is loads to do, even for veterans like myself. Not everything has to be handed out as "here, do this". There's a lot of adventure and things to discover. A lot to experience.

  • Only Even.6193Only Even.6193 Member ✭✭
    edited February 19, 2019

    I dream off a stream with the devs/community managers every 1-2 weeks :anguished: ... i guess Warframe spoiled me too much about the proximity and easy communication with the staff.

  • zealex.9410zealex.9410 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Ff14, Wow, Eso, Bdo, all diff mmos and all mmos that we learn about new content and the directions of said mmos months before we even get to that point.

    Wow announces and even show early footage of patches months away from release.
    Hell in Eso's case they oppened up the year with a roadmap detailing the entire 2019.

    Is Anet incompetent and they cant be sure if something will release untill a week before it releases? I doubt it.

    The wrost thing is that doesnt even mean they are better at communication necessarily. Wow is terrible at communicating with the fan about anything other than the direction of the game ostly content wise.

    In terms of balance, recieving and acting upon feedback etc they are terrible.

  • @Only Even.6193 said:
    I dream off a stream with the devs/community managers every 1-2 weeks :anguished: ... i guess Warframe spoiled me too much about the proximity and easy communication with the staff.

    Have you tried watching Guild Chat? It's pretty informative. (It's where we learned about Episode 6 of the current Living World Season.)

  • @zealex.9410 said:

    @Illconceived Was Na.9781 said:
    Over the years of watching ANet, I'm generally more worried when they start talking. They aren't all that good at understanding what should be hyped and what they should leave well enough alone. They are really good at generating stuff that's worth my time, that's fun, and that seems to be fun for others, too.

    ANet isn't my friend; I don't care if they stop talking to me. I care about what they deliver.

    Its not a matter of anet being your friend or not, its about remembering this game exists or has a future and a direction more often than once every 3 months.

    They can't produce content very 3 months without remembering that the game has a future & a direction. I don't need them to say something to 'prove' their commitment; I want them to demonstrate their interest by delivering content, not by talking about it.

    "Face the facts. Then act on them. It's ...the only doctrine I have to offer you, & it's harder than you'd think, because I swear humans seem hardwired to do anything but. Face the facts. Don't pray, don't wish, ...FACE THE FACTS. THEN act." — Quellcrist Falconer

  • Jski.6180Jski.6180 Member ✭✭✭✭

    So its official anet is out of ideal.

    https://www.guildwars2.com/en/news/tame-the-warclaw/

  • LucianDK.8615LucianDK.8615 Member ✭✭✭✭

    interesting, I am intrigued to see its abilities

  • TheOrlyFactor.8341TheOrlyFactor.8341 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited February 19, 2019

    @Jski.6180 said:
    So its official anet is out of ideal.

    https://www.guildwars2.com/en/news/tame-the-warclaw/

    Posts like these are a shining example of why Anet rarely communicates with the community anymore.

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  • @Only Even.6193 said:
    I dream off a stream with the devs/community managers every 1-2 weeks :anguished: ... i guess Warframe spoiled me too much about the proximity and easy communication with the staff.

    This!

  • It's funny. They work hard on the LW seasons and the design team does a great job. People play the new map and story hard for a couple weeks. Then players spend months grinding wvw, pvp, fractals, and for some raids because they are the only things to do. The hilarious part about this is the parts of the game that everyone spends month grinding because its the only things worth replaying get literally zero attention. I guess fractals gets new stuff every so often, but those instabilities seem extremely anti fun and are an arbitrary difficulty scaling to make old content "new".

    The lack of communication makes this totally worse sometimes because a lot of people will stop investing time and "gemstore" purchases if they can't even see a lengthy future with this game. Why should someone spend $20 on some gemstore purchases to make their character look cool if there isn't much worth playing and showing off the new gear with. If the new content only lasts me a week of extreme casual play, then why in the heck would I buy the new outfits or convenience items from the gemstore with real cash only to get use out of those items for like 24 hours of playtime until the next LW season starts 3 month (delayed to 4 months) later.

  • Mathias.9657Mathias.9657 Member ✭✭✭

    @wickedkae.4980 said:
    You're not alone OP. As a vet, I also worry that this game is not going to move forward in a positive, valuable way. We have nothing to do to advance our characters in end game in any real meaningful way. What worries me is that Anet is so afraid of making real changes to shake this game up, we may be stuck in the holding pattern forever. This is the last year for me. If we don't get a REAL expansion (higher lvls, new gear, new ways to advance our character NOT by grinding) then I will be moving to ESO permanently.

    I wouldn't recommend ESO if you want vertical progression .. is the same design as GW2 basically, difference is ESO has gear sets with bonuses that differ your playstyle and GW2 has specializations. Once you hit a certain CP cap it maxes your stats on gear the rest is Diablo 3 paragon style with minor bonuses. I've used the same sets of gear for ages in both games. WoW or FF14 would be what you want..

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  • Biff.5312Biff.5312 Member ✭✭✭✭

    I'm kind of lost as to why your guild chat being quiet is to be taken as an indication of a game-wide problem. My guild chat is active. Find a new guild.

  • perilisk.1874perilisk.1874 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Illconceived Was Na.9781 said:
    I'm reminded of this (paraphrased) response from Neil Gaiman, when someone asked him if GRRM didn't have some responsibility to his fans to finish the story in a timely fashion.

    [snip]

    But... in general, authors just want you to buy the book. Hopefully you enjoy it, but that's the end of things. If there's a sequel, hopefully you enjoyed the first enough to buy it. Single-player games, same deal.

    An MMO is structured more like a relationship. Arenanet sets things up to encourage people to log in and play the game every single day, so it's clearly how they want the relationship to work. But people in a relationship sometimes want to know that it's headed somewhere, so the time and effort they're investing isn't going to feel like a wasted decade of their life.

  • TheOrlyFactor.8341TheOrlyFactor.8341 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited February 19, 2019

    @Jski.6180 said:

    @TheOrlyFactor.8341 said:

    @Jski.6180 said:
    So its official anet is out of ideal.

    https://www.guildwars2.com/en/news/tame-the-warclaw/

    Posts like these are a shining example of why Anet rarely communicates with the community anymore.

    Because they cant take criticize? That not a good thing i mean its the internet your putting your "art" out there for all to see. If you keep going out of your way to simply forget what the ppl your working for are saying dont be shocked that things are going to be some what mean.

    This silence and not keeping up with the GW2 comuintly is a problem this is an example of it. Do not thing of it any other way.

    "So its official anet is out of ideal."

    That's not criticism. That's hyperbole.

    I'm going to do you (and the rest of the forum for that matter) a huge favor and post this link on how to offer constructive criticism.

    https://www.bustle.com/articles/165434-9-ways-to-give-constructive-criticism-that-are-actually-helpful

    If this article isn't good enough for whatever reason, go to Google and type in "how to give constructive criticism" and you'll get a wealth of results on how to give constructive criticism. You're welcome.

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