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  • Westenev.5289Westenev.5289 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited March 6, 2019

    @StrawHat.2639 said:

    @Westenev.5289 said:
    Earlier today, a new player was asking for help repairing a keep gate that had been smashed down. Several rather helpful individuals responded over map chat with such helpful insights like "go back to PvE" or "stay out of wvw until you know how to play". They even helpfully pointed out that the wiki can teach a player everything they need to know, and they should read the entire thing before even thinking of stepping foot on their holy ground.

    Some people really are the worst. I know they are the minority (and generally the most vocal), but I could see how these sorts of people could make the game mode offputting for newer players.

    Fair enough but what does it take but 5-10 min to read the gw2 wvw wiki...and people had 2 weeks to do so with the update delays...it goes both ways sorry. I use the wiki for raids and pve stuff I don' know about then ask guildmates then ask the community...anyways that's the other view of it.

    They were asking for help repairing the gate, not for information - it was just that in this case the objective was about 6 dolyaks away from upgrading, so nobody was really worried about an attack. This isn't something you pick up on the wiki, it's something you pick it up by playing the game mode (at least, it was in my experience).

    Instead of explaining this, people saw fit to imediately call them PvE trash over the (very public) map chat.

    So this is why I can sort of understand why people have negitive opinions towards the WvW community.

  • L A T I O N.8923L A T I O N.8923 Member ✭✭✭

    @Westenev.5289 said:

    @StrawHat.2639 said:

    @Westenev.5289 said:
    Earlier today, a new player was asking for help repairing a keep gate that had been smashed down. Several rather helpful individuals responded over map chat with such helpful insights like "go back to PvE" or "stay out of wvw until you know how to play". They even helpfully pointed out that the wiki can teach a player everything they need to know, and they should read the entire thing before even thinking of stepping foot on their holy ground.

    Some people really are the worst. I know they are the minority (and generally the most vocal), but I could see how these sorts of people could make the game mode offputting for newer players.

    Fair enough but what does it take but 5-10 min to read the gw2 wvw wiki...and people had 2 weeks to do so with the update delays...it goes both ways sorry. I use the wiki for raids and pve stuff I don' know about then ask guildmates then ask the community...anyways that's the other view of it.

    They were asking for help repairing the gate, not for information - it was just that in this case the objective was about 6 dolyaks away from upgrading, so nobody was really worried about an attack. This isn't something you pick up on the wiki, it's something you pick it up by playing the game mode (at least, it was in my experience).

    Instead of explaining this, people saw fit to imediately call them PvE trash over the (very public) map chat.

    So this is why I can sort of understand why people have negitive opinions towards the WvW community.

    Like i Stated before, those trolls surpress the Nice players
    Just bore Them enough till they stop

  • StrawHat.2639StrawHat.2639 Member ✭✭✭

    @Westenev.5289 said:

    @StrawHat.2639 said:

    @Westenev.5289 said:
    Earlier today, a new player was asking for help repairing a keep gate that had been smashed down. Several rather helpful individuals responded over map chat with such helpful insights like "go back to PvE" or "stay out of wvw until you know how to play". They even helpfully pointed out that the wiki can teach a player everything they need to know, and they should read the entire thing before even thinking of stepping foot on their holy ground.

    Some people really are the worst. I know they are the minority (and generally the most vocal), but I could see how these sorts of people could make the game mode offputting for newer players.

    Fair enough but what does it take but 5-10 min to read the gw2 wvw wiki...and people had 2 weeks to do so with the update delays...it goes both ways sorry. I use the wiki for raids and pve stuff I don' know about then ask guildmates then ask the community...anyways that's the other view of it.

    They were asking for help repairing the gate, not for information - it was just that in this case the objective was about 6 dolyaks away from upgrading, so nobody was really worried about an attack. This isn't something you pick up on the wiki, it's something you pick it up by playing the game mode (at least, it was in my experience).

    Instead of explaining this, people saw fit to imediately call them PvE trash over the (very public) map chat.

    So this is why I can sort of understand why people have negitive opinions towards the WvW community.

    That's different you should have said that from the start.

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  • L A T I O N.8923L A T I O N.8923 Member ✭✭✭

    @StrawHat.2639 said:

    @Westenev.5289 said:

    @StrawHat.2639 said:

    @Westenev.5289 said:
    Earlier today, a new player was asking for help repairing a keep gate that had been smashed down. Several rather helpful individuals responded over map chat with such helpful insights like "go back to PvE" or "stay out of wvw until you know how to play". They even helpfully pointed out that the wiki can teach a player everything they need to know, and they should read the entire thing before even thinking of stepping foot on their holy ground.

    Some people really are the worst. I know they are the minority (and generally the most vocal), but I could see how these sorts of people could make the game mode offputting for newer players.

    Fair enough but what does it take but 5-10 min to read the gw2 wvw wiki...and people had 2 weeks to do so with the update delays...it goes both ways sorry. I use the wiki for raids and pve stuff I don' know about then ask guildmates then ask the community...anyways that's the other view of it.

    They were asking for help repairing the gate, not for information - it was just that in this case the objective was about 6 dolyaks away from upgrading, so nobody was really worried about an attack. This isn't something you pick up on the wiki, it's something you pick it up by playing the game mode (at least, it was in my experience).

    Instead of explaining this, people saw fit to imediately call them PvE trash over the (very public) map chat.

    So this is why I can sort of understand why people have negitive opinions towards the WvW community.

    That's different you should have said that from the start.

    IT was said

  • Aerlen.5326Aerlen.5326 Member ✭✭✭

    @Celsith.2753 said:
    I'm seeing people demand that, 'If you already have the mount you should leave wvw and let other people have their turn'
    And then people wonder why the toxicity.....

    Yeah I saw that too. It took a bit but I saw it and all I could think was "What if I'm enjoying my time here and would like to play?" I actually brought a WvW meta build in to survive longer/do better.

  • Stalkingwolf.6035Stalkingwolf.6035 Member ✭✭✭

    @ThunderPanda.1872 said:

    @Stalkingwolf.6035 said:
    Nothing new. this happens everytime i'm playing WvW and thats only to get the Gift of Battle.
    You get kicked out of groups if you dont join Teamspeak "Because WvW is so a fast and dynamic it only can be played with Teamspeak" yeah lol sure.

    because of the queue i played Mists. You can get a lot of things from Warclaw in the Mists. This morning i joined WvW bought 2 vendor items and claimed a supply camp with two other players. Tonight i will finish the rest again in the Mists.

    Tbf to the WvW folks, this problem lies with you. You're not actively trying to learn, you are disregarding everything people say, and purposely mess up the experience of players around you. If you don't want to be in WvW, refusing to play with the community and think whatever we say is garbage, we don't want you. You give us no respect, then don't expect us to give you respect.

    How would you feel if I join your raid party in soldier greens even though I know that's a dkitten move, but fkitten you because I roll however I want because I can and don't tell me what to do?

    As for other players who at least are genuinely trying to learn or testing the game mode with an open mindset. You are welcome.

    you blame to wrong. We have to do WvW to craft Legendarys.
    Nobody need to PuG raids or fractals.
    In a raid you are on of twenty players. in WvW well one of 40-80+. It doesnt matter.

    And who uses teamspeak nowadays?

    well every german WvW server

    and i joined some of this TS groups. 90% of the talk has nothing todo with WvW.
    of course not, the only thing they do is run in circles and zerg everything.

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  • gebrechen.5643gebrechen.5643 Member ✭✭✭

    Every german server and Piken Square, SFR and WSR. Those at least I still have in my list.

    Disciples of the monkey god [Apes]

  • Welcome to the PvP version of top tier raiding. Avoid map chat as its a kitten show, join a group / team up with guildies and kitten around, good luck lol.

  • L A T I O N.8923L A T I O N.8923 Member ✭✭✭

    @Henry.5713 said:
    Complain to ArenaNet about the way the mount was implemented then. This approach was obviously going to lead to enormous queues and waves of non-WvW players coming for their exclusive rewards. Which in turn was bound to frustrate the community in question, those who have been anticipating the update more than anyone else.
    People ended up not being able to play for hours just to run into mostly new PvE players when they actually got in. Players who mostly couldn't be less interested in actually playing the mode or being a part of everything that makes the mode exciting. I think that is enough to frustrate almost anyone to a certain degree.

    You are playing with real people after all. Things will be better once everything has calmed down a little. As people already mentioned, this issue can easily be applied to PvP or PvE. Toxicity is a pretty universal thing. On a similar level to entitlement and the idea people have that they need to be treated with a red carpet wherever they go.

    Toxicity is, in my observation, people who joined a good group to get carried by the group. Most know this but Will never admit.

    I do troll a bit in teamchat, all in good fun...but if someone asks something in mapchat ill also try to help alot

    The biggest issue of 'toxicity' i see in wvw is that toxic people are mostly overbored and check the teamchat the most and responds quickest. On this, as i know alot of experiences on Friends of mine are the same, they get overruled)

    For instance questions like 'how do i get the mount' probably getting replied by a sentence 'fy pve scrub' (probably because they only need to press ctrl v), in the rare occasions i take my time for replying (because im mostly busy flipping camps, fighting enemies and respawn(more rarely loot))i cant outrun the troll with typing. And i Just backspace at that point, since i feel the person is too stomped allready

  • as a WvWer myself i had to hide team chat because of salt, except from making jokes about how some people were confused and try to call people to join EOTM , i felt uncomfortable from WvWer and PvEer fires. and when i was able to get to a bl , it felt pretty dead even with that big Q.i finished my night RP in DR .

  • TheQuickFox.3826TheQuickFox.3826 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Well, just try to be friendly yourself. Toxic people are going to be toxic. Not much will change this.
    I also stumbled on some toxicity in chat yesterday but I gave some directions to new WvW players (Welcome to World vs World, the easiest way to play is to just follow a commander and do what they say/do.) and ping locations where towers or keeps will be captured in chat ([Keep Poi] Keep capture for warclaw come here)

    It was nice to have new players in here. I'm sure some of them will come back to WvW later to actually play it and get better

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  • Emprer.7256Emprer.7256 Member ✭✭✭

    If you really enjoy the mode, what people say won't matter anyway. Have thick skin. They might not be nice in the way they say things but oftentimes what they say is true. Observe and learn. Ask questions but don't expect a nice response. You will get the answer you need and that's all that matters.

  • zionophir.6845zionophir.6845 Member ✭✭✭

    you should go Tarnished Coast, there is no such thing as trash-talking the PvErs in team chat but quality teamchat pvp. (usually SEA-Eu-Early NA prime times)

  • Turkeyspit.3965Turkeyspit.3965 Member ✭✭✭✭

    5 minutes after the patch launched one of the top guilds on my server announced an open tag to help new players get the mount collection done, and did a train from Keep to Tower to Camp.

    But hey, thanks to the OP for keeping an open mind, and not generalizing the entire WvW community based on the 30minutes or so they played in the game mode during a special event week :+1:

  • Cristalyan.5728Cristalyan.5728 Member ✭✭✭

    @CosmicKittenTora.6015 said:
    I decide to go into WvW to try and get the newest mount for myself, and I am having a surprisingly good time. However, the WvW community is extremely toxic, there are so many new players either actually trying out WvW or having PvE players come in for the mount, and when they ask for help, the WvW community is so rude towards them and it's disgusting.

    To me, Anet introduced the mount so that people would have a reason to try out WvW, and that is what I am doing, I am actually going to be in WvW more often.
    These WvW players are chasing potential new players to either hate WvW or hate the entire game.

    I am always afraid to ask for help in any mode now because I am afraid of getting attacked for not knowing something, these people don't realize that they also at one point knew nothing about these things, and now verbally attacking new players and calling them idiots.

    I know there is no way to change these things about the people, I just wanted to express my major concern about one of the games biggest communities.

    WvW is really fun and I do not want people to get chased away, I am going to be doing WvW more often but going to just avoid talking to the people in there.

    I don't intend to add salt on the wound, but what you realy did and what was the reaction of the "extremely toxic community"? Because I know the WvW community and I can say it may be harsh sometimes but not toxic enough to make someone "disgusted" in one session. To be "so disgusted in the GW2 community" you should accumulate a lot of hard feelings before entering WvW. Where? You said you are (until now) a PvE player.
    Second - what you encountered now was a mixture of WvW players and PvE players. Are you sure the toxicity was from the WvW community?

    "To me, Anet introduced the mount so that people would have a reason to try out WvW, and that is what I am doing,". In my opinion your interpretation for the mount is wrong. The mount in WvW was designed in the period when ANet main concern was to give us the illusion of work on GW2. That they don't care of the players is proven by the fact that in all the polls the majority was against the mount in WvW. So, in my opinion, the mount is now in WvW not for the players. But for ANet income. They also knew very well what queues will be in WvW and how upset will be the WvW-rs wanting to enter the favorite mode and being stopped by interminable queues. So, I think, if you want to find a reason for the (possible) toxicity you encountered, then look at ANet.

    And finally- if you really want to continue, then try to watch what the other do in WvW and to do something only when you know what consequences your action will have. Because, today, almost half of the defending team on a captured keep was wiped by one of our players repairing the gate. Almost half of the team was left outside, without any way to retreat - literally with the back on the wall.

    A poem I read sounds like that:

    Listen, watch, and keep silent.
    Listen to find what to do.
    Watch to learn how to do.
    And keep silent ..... sorry. I cannot continue, my English skills are not so high enough :s

    Nobody calls somebody idiot (as you state) if the "idiot" knows what he is doing. But for this he should learn. By watching the others.

  • Aerlen.5326Aerlen.5326 Member ✭✭✭

    @zionophir.6845 said:
    you should go Tarnished Coast, there is no such thing as trash-talking the PvErs in team chat but quality teamchat pvp. (usually SEA-Eu-Early NA prime times)

    I only heard one kitten thing in TC so I'm seconding this. I found a great guild running maps and they were pretty chill with explaining things, makes me want to go back during those hours and play more WvW.

  • Strider Pj.2193Strider Pj.2193 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Interesting. In our server we had a tag (who is normally a very good roamer/havoc player) on desert with a 40 queue running circles doing essentially a ktrain. Now, part of why he did this, (and of note the other two servers did too) was he knew that a lot of the players on him were not regulars, and were only there to get the mount. In the process, he and several of us offered tips along the way.

    Now... were there people who were toxic? Yep.

    But you know what? That is life.

    Please don’t generalize all WvW players as you did.

  • CrimsonNeonite.1048CrimsonNeonite.1048 Member ✭✭✭
    edited March 6, 2019

    Right now, we've got a queue to EBG and a queue to Green BL, one of them has a Commander on voice comms, who is trying to fight another blob, while EBG has no tag at all. It's most likely pugs who just want to farm WXP, so they are on the wrong zerg classes, or are using the wrong builds, which will just get us wiped against anything that's organized enough to fight us, which isn't fun.

    That isn't elitism, it's just how WvW works. If you aren't one of those zergs trying to farm WXP like it's EoTM in 2014, without contributing to WvW, or learning to be more cooperative, what's the point in anyone leading those type of players?
    It's not like we don't ask nicely, many people just won't commit to wvw.

  • MrRuin.9740MrRuin.9740 Member ✭✭✭
    edited March 6, 2019

    I've seen no problems with commanders taking and guiding the swarms of new people. Have yet to see a comm tell anyone to not follow them. I've seen way more actual guiding than usual, actually. Specifically what we are doing and why and how things work. I've seen many people offer tips on how others should change their PvE builds into something more useful for WvW. Tips on how to use their rank points efficiently. Hopefully some of these people get a taste for it and keep coming back.

    The only toxicity that I've seen is directed at the ones who don't actually want to play the game mode and not contributing at all, and rightfully so. How many people in Fractals, raids or any other PvE content would tolerate someone taking up a slot and doing absolutely nothing to contribute? No PvE party would tolerate someone standing off to the side while the rest of the party does the work and this is no different in WvW. The only difference is it's a much larger scale and these people doing nothing are actively preventing people who want to contribute from even getting in.
    I'm all for new blood in WvW, the more people the better and more interesting it is. But if you're going into a game mode, then actually play that game mode.

  • Zok.4956Zok.4956 Member ✭✭✭

    Yesterday I had a lot of fun on the maps. Teamchat was a little bit more toxic than usual (a lot of the WvW-regulars were stuck in the wait queues), but overall it was chaotic and funny.

    Today is a different story. I went to the Eternal Battlegrounds because the other maps had queues and this map had no queue. The red and green zergs were spawn camping the blue spawn in turns, they did not fight each other, but they took the blue keep from each other every time when the five minute buff expired.

    I guess the red and green zergs had a lot of fun. The few blue players not really. Yes, I know, WvW is not balanced, thats GW2. But I guess I will take a longer vacation from EBG until most players have their warclaw.

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  • Ok I Did It.2854Ok I Did It.2854 Member ✭✭✭

    I seen a fair bit of toxic behavior last night from players on the server i play on towards PvE players, even more so towards PvE players who where runing a "non meta" build, it really does just boil down to frustration that Anet have made it that WvW can only really run 3 or 4 classes and only maybe 1 build for them classes and everything else is just useless in open field combat.

    On the flip side, i do find it ironic that the players on my server who are extremely toxic are the same people crying about WvW being a dead game mode, well DUH you chased away newer players who might have actually picked the format up, had you expressed that certain classes are not as good, rather than being GTFO Scrub running useless trash build.

  • SnowHawk.3615SnowHawk.3615 Member ✭✭✭
    edited March 6, 2019

    Thanks for the bags yesterday! :D
    but after about an hour and a half the pve players got their mount and left. thanks anet for the new content that lasted a whole 1hr30mins. my wvw guild had some real fun.

    every community in this game has toxicity- pvp is indeed the worst. pve has a high amount of players that report you for anything esp if you dont follow a meta event to a t, wvw has lots of trolls in its own. but just ignore them.
    pve players tend not to want to join comms out of fear? think they know best? think they have to turn music off? Not really sure. But if you can at least hear the commander- (because you're not required to speak, just listen)-and other callouts, you might make use of yourself and not become a snack. because tagless guild groups don't want useless players in their squad, because why? 1) they don't want to join comms. (2)or run a meta appropriate build and (3)they want to be carried.

  • @Xenon.4537 said:
    This is why the wvw game mode is "dead" or dying. The hardcore wvw players make "taggless" squads, or invite-only because they don't want "rally bots" following them. This attitude has been around since 2012. I was in a dedicated wvw guild back then. I remember how those people felt about "fairweathers" and pve players. They look down on you with disdain and contempt. It's an "us vs them" mentality and over the years it just alienates people. It's like walking into a biker bar when you aren't a member of the local biker gang.

    The game mode would be in a much healthier state today if people were less standoffish about builds and gear. Maybe point people to resources or just give them advice instead of treating them like a disease to keep out of your precious squad. I mean for crying out loud its Stonemist, not Dhuum CM. Who cares if a few randos follow you.

    The biker analogy is very apt.

    This week is a lot like the local dive biker bar suddenly got famous for it's wings. A million yuppies have descended on the place and half of them have "I want to speak to your manager" hair.

    Most WvW players will be gruff, blunt and more honest than pve players are used to. But you know what bikers react well to? Respect. You walk into a biker bar, honor the culture and don't act like a entitled jerk and you'll be fine. Do otherwise and you will be treated roughly. As you should.

  • Turkeyspit.3965Turkeyspit.3965 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Ok I Did It.2854 said:
    it really does just boil down to frustration that Anet have made it that WvW can only really run 3 or 4 classes and only maybe 1 build for them classes and everything else is just useless in open field combat.

    Nah, it boils down to players thinking that what you just said is accurate.
    There are 27 specializations in GW2, including Core, of which I'd argue that 20 of them are perfectly viable in WvW, depending on the role you're trying to fill, be it scouting, roaming, havoc or zerging.

  • Malkom.5607Malkom.5607 Member ✭✭
    edited March 6, 2019

    I guess for most the new WvW players its going to be a special time for them and one they'll remember for many years to come.
    Its bound to be confusing for most them - a new world, a new culture, and lots of people trying to kill them.
    Many of them won't have a clue about PvP.

    About reading the wiki. Most the people I know, including myself, never read the manual, we just plug something in and hope to figure it out.
    Not much point saying RTFM.

    My first day in WvW(years ago) was a truly confusing time. My brother said just use the menu at the top of screen, select EBG and go there.
    When I arrived our garri was under attack from all sides and I just ran around like a headless chicken. Didn't dare touch the seige in case someone told me to get the *** off their property. Anyhow, that was a wonderful time, not one toxic word in the chat, and I learnt a lot. Once the WvW bug bit, then I started to read the wiki.

    Last night I couldn't get in to WvW either, large queues, but thats fine for me because it seems that Anet's hard work has given WvW a boost :)

    By the way, why insult people, if you are fed up, just fume quietly or go and try to improve your character(pun intended).
    Also, many of the WvW newbies won't be adults, so they can take insults quite badly :(

  • subversiontwo.7501subversiontwo.7501 Member ✭✭✭
    edited March 6, 2019

    @Stalkingwolf.6035 said:
    Nothing new. this happens everytime i'm playing WvW and thats only to get the Gift of Battle.
    You get kicked out of groups if you dont join Teamspeak "Because WvW is so a fast and dynamic it only can be played with Teamspeak" yeah lol sure.

    because of the queue i played Mists. You can get a lot of things from Warclaw in the Mists. This morning i joined WvW bought 2 vendor items and claimed a supply camp with two other players. Tonight i will finish the rest again in the Mists.

    My dude, why are you angry about it? It is not your group, it is their group. You are not entitled to join it, so why are you so angry over being sent out of it? You can play the game mode without demanding access to their group and then you do not have to worry about their wishes. You'll be your own man.

    The person leading that group is another player, s/he is not an NPC there only for your leisure or at your behest. Asking you to come talk to them if you wish to play with them is not a demanding or unreasonable expectation. Expecting less is toxic snowflake behaviour. It says more about you than them.

  • @Kovu.7560 said:
    I'm not experiencing that on Fort Aspenwood. Many of the longtime players are very helpful, posting tips for unlocking the cat in team chat, tips to avoid the helmet bug and answering any questions they can.

    #JoinFortAspenwoodToday
    #TheQueueIsOnlyTwoHours

    Yep, same here. Fun fights out there btw. :D Plenty of new people asking for help and getting it when I've been on. Sorry OP had to experience the more toxic side of the game.

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    Sorrow's Furnace For Life

  • Baldrick.8967Baldrick.8967 Member ✭✭✭

    I'm not even bothering to log in for another couple of weeks or so. Then I'll start the collection to get the mount - meanwhile watching the rest of my zerg disappear in the distance most of time.

  • CedarDog.9723CedarDog.9723 Member ✭✭✭
    edited March 6, 2019

    @Celsith.2753 said:
    I'm seeing people demand that, 'If you already have the mount you should leave wvw and let other people have their turn'
    And then people wonder why the toxicity.....

    Not that I have anything against the PvE crowd, since I am kind of split equally between PvE and WvW...but I saw a good number of self-proclaimed PvE-ers sitting at the borderlands spawn point just prancing around gloating to other people that they have their mounts. When they weren't doing that, they were idling there either AFK or twiddling their thumbs. Those are slots that other PvE-ers or WvW-ers could be using to get their own mounts... So yeah.

  • Skro.2691Skro.2691 Member ✭✭

    To be fair, if you don't play a ton of WvW may not realize there are a few people on almost every server whose endgame content is to troll team chat every night. Veteran WvWers know who most of these people are and either have them blocked or know the names / know not to engage. This influx of new players who don't know who they are is a massive surge of new "content" for them.

  • CedarDog.9723CedarDog.9723 Member ✭✭✭

    @Skro.2691 said:
    To be fair, if you don't play a ton of WvW may not realize there are a few people on almost every server whose endgame content is to troll team chat every night. Veteran WvWers know who most of these people are and either have them blocked or know the names / know not to engage. This influx of new players who don't know who they are is a massive surge of new "content" for them.

    I kind of miss Monkey. He was annoying, but sometimes amusing. And at least he was sometimes helpful/useful...whereas some of the other trolls...

  • Vlad Morbius.1759Vlad Morbius.1759 Member ✭✭✭

    What most people forget, is at one point everyone who plays WvW today was a pleb, and started out as poorly as everyone else until you got to learn the ropes. There are those who continue to bemoan all these PvE players coming in and getting the mount which to be honest is new blood and good for WvW. Lets not forget that in the end it can be better for the game but not if every experience they have trying to get the mount and learn is hate filled and laced with vitriol. You want WvW to be better and have more players daily then stop the hate and help people out instead. If you expect Anet to continue to add content to make it better it will only happen if there are more players interested in this part of the game and it is worthwhile for them to put the resources into it. So in the end if all you long for is things to go back to normal and all these new players leave then don't come to the boards crying anymore about the WvW part of the game being ignored by the devs because you'll have created the issue yourselves.

  • L A T I O N.8923L A T I O N.8923 Member ✭✭✭

    @Vlad Morbius.1759 said:
    What most people forget, is at one point everyone who plays WvW today was a pleb, and started out as poorly as everyone else until you got to learn the ropes. There are those who continue to bemoan all these PvE players coming in and getting the mount which to be honest is new blood and good for WvW. Lets not forget that in the end it can be better for the game but not if every experience they have trying to get the mount and learn is hate filled and laced with vitriol. You want WvW to be better and have more players daily then stop the hate and help people out instead. If you expect Anet to continue to add content to make it better it will only happen if there are more players interested in this part of the game and it is worthwhile for them to put the resources into it. So in the end if all you long for is things to go back to normal and all these new players leave then don't come to the boards crying anymore about the WvW part of the game being ignored by the devs because you'll have created the issue yourselves.

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    Im also trying to play
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  • ArchonWing.9480ArchonWing.9480 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited March 6, 2019

    @Turkeyspit.3965 said:

    @Xenon.4537 said:

    Why do commanders not want these people following them? Because they are new or PvE? Absolutely not.

    They don't want them following them because:

    • they don't get on comms
    • they don't follow commander's instructions on comms
    • they don't run meta appropriate builds

    And besides the comms part, this really applies to any part of the game outside of open world. People that join a fractal with 1/2 the needed agony resist. People that join a lfg without reading. Or people that range from max range in any content. They don't contribute and in fact hurt their team mates. They get angry when pointed out they're not actually doing anything.

    They're basically just leeching and meta is irrelevant. These players are not perma-bad due to a lot of skill or experience, but rather they insist on playing a different version of the game from everyone else and try to force others to accept it. If zerging is so easy and skilless (and it sorta is), why does a squad invite even matter? Nobody can kick you....

    Incidentally, this is why some new players can become proficient and accepted quickly in any game mode faster than some "veterans" that isn't the most elitist. It is actually the older players that have become complacent, and refuse to learn/get rid of bad habits because they have had no need to because they get carried constantly. Of course, they display this kind of attitude when people can't/won't carry them. These toxic casuals want to be treated like an elite, but don't want to put any of the effort in.

    I mean, outside of WvW, I understand I am pretty bad in some areas and do in fact, get carried. But at least I try to resolve that at times. It should make you feel bad, not vindicate you. I certainly don't go into t4 fractals and be like "I only play WvW bro. Why are you so toxic? I'm only here because I am forced to play here to get infused rings. I don't need agony resist!"

    Unlike many complaints here about "toxicity". Granted, what happened in the OP was unacceptable, but referring to the general topic.

    It's an unfortunate part of the game's design that you don't really have to learn most of the game. The game doesn't teach well either, though.

  • Klypto.1703Klypto.1703 Member ✭✭✭

    Quality control as well as a lot of players who do not know wvw but came to get their mount do not consider how their death means ressing one of the enemy. As well as siege mastery when they are sitting on siege, and wvw guild groups trying to get their guild all together on the same map.

    Now being I am not in a guild group I do believe they should take priority and have a system in place to be able to move maps and players accordingly. Then having people who like doing roles outside of the fight group can be delegated in a more coordinated way. As well as being nice to pug groups and using them as bait to beat down the bad people when they think they are going to win a fight.

    As well I don't want pve players ruining my dreams of a tree mastery where I can disguise myself as a tree for hours without my identity being discovered.

  • reddie.5861reddie.5861 Member ✭✭✭

    wanna join wvw?

    play builds given by your server.
    follow commander

    much more you dont really have to do.

    ah since many PvE people joined do not freaking use TEAMCHAT just use /mapchat
    teamchat in general is used to call out help from other BL's not for non sense bullcrap spam.

  • Tinnel.4369Tinnel.4369 Member ✭✭✭

    I strictly play WvW and I found that the majority of the toxicity was from names I didn't recognize, i.e. newcomers for the mounts or maybe returning WvW'ers I'm not familiar with. Frankly I'm all for more players and helping them learn, however, if it comes at the expense of silly long ques ANet is going to have to work something out.

  • ArchonWing.9480ArchonWing.9480 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited March 6, 2019

    @Tinnel.4369 said:
    I strictly play WvW and I found that the majority of the toxicity was from names I didn't recognize, i.e. newcomers for the mounts or maybe returning WvW'ers I'm not familiar with. Frankly I'm all for more players and helping them learn, however, if it comes at the expense of silly long ques ANet is going to have to work something out.

    Those that can't play the game tend to play on the keyboard instead. That is why game forums can get so toxic at times too. Most of these are probably washed up players that were once mediocre but can't do anything anymore because they are stuck in their ways. So they pop up when new stuff happens, and are really just here to vindicate themselves.

  • Pedro.7180Pedro.7180 Member ✭✭

    @CosmicKittenTora.6015 said:
    I decide to go into WvW to try and get the newest mount for myself, and I am having a surprisingly good time. However, the WvW community is extremely toxic, there are so many new players either actually trying out WvW or having PvE players come in for the mount, and when they ask for help, the WvW community is so rude towards them and it's disgusting.

    To me, Anet introduced the mount so that people would have a reason to try out WvW, and that is what I am doing, I am actually going to be in WvW more often.
    These WvW players are chasing potential new players to either hate WvW or hate the entire game.

    I am always afraid to ask for help in any mode now because I am afraid of getting attacked for not knowing something, these people don't realize that they also at one point knew nothing about these things, and now verbally attacking new players and calling them idiots.

    I know there is no way to change these things about the people, I just wanted to express my major concern about one of the games biggest communities.

    WvW is really fun and I do not want people to get chased away, I am going to be doing WvW more often but going to just avoid talking to the people in there.

    i'm sorry that u had this experience. But, what i see 90% of the time from new players is people that dont listen or dont want to even try to improve.
    First thing that i do to new players (u can clearly see them from wvw rank) is whisper them, suggesting some builds to play if they want to join the squad or helping them in movements/skills rotation.
    What i get as answer is: "My build is good and you are a toxic elitist." and after that i get blocked instantly.

    Should i accept a player like that? Sorry but no.
    People like them ruined wvw during the years and made quality drop a lot and good commanders leave wvw.

    This is why i started the website Ezbuilds 2y ago and why i try to help players to improve and have a better experience in wvw.
    From 90% of the "new" players i completely lost hope. The only thing we can do is make them leave to another server so we can farm them. If only new players would start to listen to the "toxic elitist", join discord/ts and listen to commanders, everything will be better for everyone.
    Btw ASK QUESTIONS, ask to anyone, to commanders, ask as soon as possible (ofc not during fights maybe). U will always find some answer in whisper.

    PS: pls pls pls do not join wvw as rangers or thief these days. is not worth. u will never be able to join squad OR if u actually join a squad and they let u stay inside, u will understand that the squad is kitten and the commander will be farmed 24/7. Cause i'm sorry to say that, but rangers and thief are not good class for wvw blob fights.

  • MidnightX.6294MidnightX.6294 Member ✭✭✭

    because WvW and PvP players are more elitist than your stupid pvE mobs!

    Nothing to see here - move along.

  • MadBomber.3719MadBomber.3719 Member ✭✭✭

    @Xenon.4537 said:
    This is why the wvw game mode is "dead" or dying. The hardcore wvw players make "taggless" squads, or invite-only because they don't want "rally bots" following them. This attitude has been around since 2012. I was in a dedicated wvw guild back then. I remember how those people felt about "fairweathers" and pve players. They look down on you with disdain and contempt. It's an "us vs them" mentality and over the years it just alienates people. It's like walking into a biker bar when you aren't a member of the local biker gang.

    The game mode would be in a much healthier state today if people were less standoffish about builds and gear. Maybe point people to resources or just give them advice instead of treating them like a disease to keep out of your precious squad. I mean for crying out loud its Stonemist, not Dhuum CM. Who cares if a few randos follow you.

    so it's alright to be exclusive in Dhuum CM? but not alright in WvW? i highly doubt you let randos into your Dhuum CM group with bad builds or classes not optimal to your raid. what gives your PVE raid more entitlement to be exclusive than a guild in WvW? there's elitists in pve just as there are in WvW...

  • Chaba.5410Chaba.5410 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @MadBomber.3719 said:

    @Xenon.4537 said:
    This is why the wvw game mode is "dead" or dying. The hardcore wvw players make "taggless" squads, or invite-only because they don't want "rally bots" following them. This attitude has been around since 2012. I was in a dedicated wvw guild back then. I remember how those people felt about "fairweathers" and pve players. They look down on you with disdain and contempt. It's an "us vs them" mentality and over the years it just alienates people. It's like walking into a biker bar when you aren't a member of the local biker gang.

    The game mode would be in a much healthier state today if people were less standoffish about builds and gear. Maybe point people to resources or just give them advice instead of treating them like a disease to keep out of your precious squad. I mean for crying out loud its Stonemist, not Dhuum CM. Who cares if a few randos follow you.

    so it's alright to be exclusive in Dhuum CM? but not alright in WvW? i highly doubt you let randos into your Dhuum CM group with bad builds or classes not optimal to your raid. what gives your PVE raid more entitlement to be exclusive than a guild in WvW? there's elitists in pve just as there are in WvW...

    Xenon is going to carry me through Dhuum CM. I'm bringing my nomad healing thief. Wish me luck!

  • WvW community toxic? i guess you never been into PvP community....

  • Teratus.2859Teratus.2859 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @tom.4051 said:
    PvE players have been pandered to since day 1.
    WvW players have been ignored and neglected since day 1.
    So what do you expect to happen when entitled PvE players are preventing WvW players from playing the only game mode they play in this game!

    PvE is the only reason this game is still alive and making money.
    WvW players get ignored because their favorite game mode is by all reasoning.. a failure, a waste of Anets time and resources to support because only a minority actually play it regularly.
    You want WvW to get more attention from Anet then you need WvW to get more popular.. and that's never going to happen unless the majority PvE playerbase start playing WvW.
    That's the sad reality of WvW.. either the game mode remains underpopulated and a waste of Anet's time to support.. or it becomes populated and you have to deal with queues.

  • Loosmaster.8263Loosmaster.8263 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Teratus.2859 said:

    @tom.4051 said:
    PvE players have been pandered to since day 1.
    WvW players have been ignored and neglected since day 1.
    So what do you expect to happen when entitled PvE players are preventing WvW players from playing the only game mode they play in this game!

    PvE is the only reason this game is still alive and making money.
    WvW players get ignored because their favorite game mode is by all reasoning.. a failure, a waste of Anets time and resources to support because only a minority actually play it regularly.
    You want WvW to get more attention from Anet then you need WvW to get more popular.. and that's never going to happen unless the majority PvE playerbase start playing WvW.
    That's the sad reality of WvW.. either the game mode remains underpopulated and a waste of Anet's time to support.. or it becomes populated and you have to deal with queues.

    Meh, WvW is in the state it is directly because of his 2nd line, lol. It was not dead from the get go...

    Fàther - Create a mount then kill it until it's more useless than PvE. "Smart"
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  • Cerioth.7062Cerioth.7062 Member ✭✭✭

    @velocity.4621 said:
    WvW community toxic? i guess you never been into PvP community....

    Idk, personally I find WvW almost worse. I play a lot of both game modes.

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