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Make Engineer Shield More Useful

As I want to state in this post I do love the Engineer profession and I do believe the ideas and content are going in the right direction but with ingenuity in the field often find other places that need that ingenuity to shine, for example The Shield. The current abilities of the shield are:

  • Magnetic Shield (engineer skill): Create a magnetic field that reflects projectiles and can be released to push back foes. Duration: 3 seconds
  • Static Shield (engineer skill): Electrify your shield, preparing to throw it at foes. If you are hit, the shield discharges, stunning your nearby attacker. Stun: 1 Second, Block Duration: 2 Seconds. _
    Now I want to let you all know that in certain situations not all situations is where these abilities shine, but I believe as a weapon or _shield
    in this case as a profession weapon it needs to be good in all circumstances and with how the game is six years old and shield barely gets touched by a lot of players it seems it is in need of some fine-tuning or a upgrade. First I would like to make my suggestions:

First Ability to replace Magnetic Shield --> Deploy Shield Generator Turret: [Mind you the turret is probably going to be skinned as the same one with a bit tweaked display as the one in WvW shield generator] A shield generator turret is deployed creating a bubble shield around the turret and is stationary, the size of the turret is enough to guard at least 10 players within it's confines. As it's first active ability when deployed because that is what all turrets do. It for a duration of 3 seconds creates a electrical barrier of the bubble causing damage to anyone attempting to pass through the barrier at the time then it goes away. The turret itself will have the same secondary ability as normal turrets of exploding the turret early or picking it up to reduce the cool-down of the turret. The shield is able to block projectiles from outside the barrier and those who are inside will be unharmed by projectile damage. This takes care of ranged targets for the respective time the shield is deployed while minor take down of melee targets who would run through the shield. [Keep in mind that means targets can still shoot out from the bubble shield to deal damage to those outside of the shield generator]

As this is a Shield Skill and a Turret Skill the relative chosen specializations that effect the shield and turrets will also work on the Shield Generator Turret. If a suggestion would have it I would either have the Resistance boon or Aegis boon be it's time productive ability for the one turret as it will already be having protection boon.

  1. Over Shield (Inventions Specialization for Engineer): Shield skills gain recharge reduction and grant protection to nearby allies. Protection on you gains increased damage reduction.
  2. Experimental Turrets (Inventions Specialization for Engineer): Turrets create a reflective barrier when built and grant boons to allies around them on a regular interval.
    [As I suggested before I would think either resistance boon or aegis boon would be good for this turrets interval.]

So with this as a suggestion and I hope that it can be seen by some Arena Net employee so perhaps this idea is used I am not sure how I can make it so that it is seen but I do like to make this as a suggestion, and I am fine for it to be used by anyone I just wanted to put this out here that the Shield on engineers could use a little love as it has great potential to be a shield that all Engineers would like to use for the future. I will be thinking of a skill to replace Static Shield later on of course.

Comments

  • ~Reserve for future Static Shield~

  • Jaruselka.5943Jaruselka.5943 Member ✭✭✭

    @RisenHowl.2419 said:
    Shield on engi is great as is, the real problem is your only mh weapon is a pistol with garbage damage

    Blast finisher, reflect, knockback, block, stun, and a ranged daze x2. Shield is just fine.

    Yup pistols are the issue. I regularly see thieves do 3 to 5 times the damage an engineer does using skill 1 on a main hand pistol. I’ve given up on them and switched back to power rifle. Seriously considered salvaging my ascended pistols just to reclaim space in my bank..

  • Stand The Wall.6987Stand The Wall.6987 Member ✭✭✭✭

    ye pistol is garbo.

    you don't know till you know, ya know.

  • Vagrant.7206Vagrant.7206 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited March 9, 2019

    Yeah, shield is actually really good once you get used to it. On prot holo, it can be used to impressive levels -- the only thing I would change would be increasing magnetic inversion's radius because it's TINY.

    The problem is mainhand pistol is just atrocious. The only worthwhile skill on it is static shot.

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  • Hynax.9536Hynax.9536 Member ✭✭✭

    As stated by the others, shields are really good on their own (and prolly won't receive any changes) but they have no meaning outside a holo build cus pistols are almost useless and sword is the only other option for mainhand IF you have holosmith elite spec, so the main problem is the lack of decent MH weapons to combo with shield and create more viable MH/OH builds. Sadly i doubt anet will give us more weapon choices if not with another elite spec that would not solve the problem, and the other option is give a boost to pistol.
    Btw i liked the shield generator turret idea and would love to see it in game.

  • Vagrant.7206Vagrant.7206 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited March 10, 2019

    @DemonSeed.3528 said:
    I am comfortable the way shield is now however mainhand pistol could do with an update. Imagine if it got even one skill similar to unload or repeater. I don't know, just faster attack speed or more oomph to dmg, just anything at this point.

    Imagine poison dart volley, but faster and without a cone spray.

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  • RisenHowl.2419RisenHowl.2419 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Vagrant.7206 said:

    @DemonSeed.3528 said:
    I am comfortable the way shield is now however mainhand pistol could do with an update. Imagine if it got even one skill similar to unload or repeater. I don't know, just faster attack speed or more oomph to dmg, just anything at this point.

    Imagine poison dart volley, but faster and without a cone spray.

    Rapid fire style with a decent power coefficient. That change alone would make pistol viable

  • Iozeph.5617Iozeph.5617 Member ✭✭✭

    @Vagrant.7206 said:
    Yeah, shield is actually really good once you get used to it. On prot holo, it can be used to impressive levels -- the only thing I would change would be increasing magnetic inversion's radius because it's TINY.

    The problem is mainhand pistol is just atrocious. The only worthwhile skill on it is static shot.

    This^^.

    I don't believe it would break the game or the profession if they gave core engineers(all engineers essentially) weapon swap and mace as an option for main hand weapon. If they'd only clean house a bit with some of our less-used traits and gave us a traiting for main hand weapons(mace, sword, pistols,) to improve either their power damage or their swing/shot speeds. Call it Manual Dexterity, Rust Free, or whatever.

    The old argument that we shouldn't have weapon swap because we have so many weapons with our kits doesn't hold as much water as it used to. And it isn't as though they're about to give our kits a second look after the gyro changes. If anything they'll probably nerf those too, given all the whingeing, and we'll be right back where we were or worse.

  • Obtena.7952Obtena.7952 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Give me a one handed kit maybe ... anything is bound to be better than pistol. I swapped to pistol/sheild on some WvW Scrapper testing just because of how great the sheild is ... the pistol is sad.

    If you think balancing is only driven by performance and justified by comparisons to other classes then prepare to be educated:

    https://www.guildwars2.com/en/news/balance-updates-the-heralds-near-future-and-pvp-league-season-13/

  • InsaneQR.7412InsaneQR.7412 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Id rather want to have to the toolkit improved. Shield is fine. Toolkit is a bit all over the place with condis and power and blocks and pulls etc.
    Some streamlining would be neat. Faster AA, more power oriented, no condis. Blocks and pulls can stay.

  • Iozeph.5617Iozeph.5617 Member ✭✭✭

    @InsaneQR.7412 said:
    Id rather want to have to the toolkit improved. Shield is fine. Toolkit is a bit all over the place with condis and power and blocks and pulls etc.
    Some streamlining would be neat. Faster AA, more power oriented, no condis. Blocks and pulls can stay.

    I'd feel a bit better about Tool kit if Smack, Whack, and Thwack applied some sort of benefit to the group/nearby friendlies the way they did for turrets- perhaps a small temporary increase in toughness or power damage to simulate better armour/weapon maintenance. That or for Gear Shield and Magnet to at least benefit from Overshield -especially given that Magnet is still so easily dodged or avoided via line of sight or uneven terrains. Perhaps then, even though Power Wrench is now a shadow of itself, there'd be more incentive to slot the kit. If that isn't possible I'd still rather have weapon swap and a new main hand weapon(mace) for core/all specs.

  • Ghos.1326Ghos.1326 Member ✭✭✭

    in a time where power creep wasn't a thing, main hand pistol would have been much better. unfortunately, that time has passed. so yeah the pistol mainhand needs updating. offhand too, the speed of glue shot should see an increase for more reliable CC landing.
    one thing i would change on shield, is how long skill 5 lasts. i think another second of blocking would be nice. Then again, as others have pointed out, it also has 2x daze (one on the way out, one on the way back) a stun if you attack it in a specified range while it's casting....those are pretty nice to utilize. so it's debatable really. If not a second longer block, then maybe a shorter cooldown.
    Another possible thing, is maybe the velocity of the projectile on shield throw.

    just my personal views on these.

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  • Samug.6512Samug.6512 Member ✭✭✭

    Don't you dare changing my shield. It's probably the best weapon Engineer has.

    [NUKE]

  • Safandula.8723Safandula.8723 Member ✭✭✭✭

    LOL, shield is so good rn. it offers a lot. imo of best balanced sets in game

    make prepardness baseline plz

  • Psycoprophet.8107Psycoprophet.8107 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Yeah shield skills are great right now no change needed

  • @Rezzet.3614 said:
    better idea , give us a mainhand shield

    double shield!
    One shield in each hand. ^^

  • TwiceDead.1963TwiceDead.1963 Member ✭✭✭

    I'm just here to throw myself in the "Shield is Fine" camp.

    MH Pistol in conjunction though... It's rough.

  • Vagrant.7206Vagrant.7206 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Dediggefedde.4961 said:

    @Rezzet.3614 said:
    better idea , give us a mainhand shield

    double shield!
    One shield in each hand. ^^

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  • Psycoprophet.8107Psycoprophet.8107 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Lol I’m for the pistol mh buff

  • Manuhell.2759Manuhell.2759 Member ✭✭✭

    As many others have said, the shield is good enough. It's the MH pistol that's not good enough.
    I think they tried to make it somehow fine for both condi and power, but it doesn't work well. They could repurpose MH pistol as a proper condition weapon and introduce another MH weapon - this time for power builds - to the core engineer, but then the traits would have to be reworked as well. Thus i doubt they'll do something about it. We can only hope for some buff for MH pistol, i guess.

  • Turkeyspit.3965Turkeyspit.3965 Member ✭✭✭✭

    I'll have to give shield a try, though I don't know if I really want to part with my Hammer 5 =(

  • Vagrant.7206Vagrant.7206 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Turkeyspit.3965 said:
    I'll have to give shield a try, though I don't know if I really want to part with my Hammer 5 =(

    Just wait til you try shield 5.

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  • In fact, there are quite a few sword/shield-Holo-builds around.
    I also prefer sword/shield in my conversion or zerg-dmg builds over the rifle.
    Overshield is such a nice trait and sword does nice damage .

    There you can see, that shield with a nice MH-weapon is great.

    The pistol has too little conditions over too long time and effectively single target projectiles.
    In a condi build just throwing grenade-1 is better condi-damage than using all MH-pistol skills.
    swapping pistol 4 and 3 might be already enough to fix that. Strong-hitting non-projectile cleave burn instead of enemy-action-dependent projectile chain confusion.

    They could introduce a direct-dmg MH-weapon for core-builds but would need to balance it against sword and rifle.
    That sounds especially error-prone.

  • Turkeyspit.3965Turkeyspit.3965 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited March 22, 2019

    @Vagrant.7206 said:

    @Turkeyspit.3965 said:
    I'll have to give shield a try, though I don't know if I really want to part with my Hammer 5 =(

    Just wait til you try shield 5.

    Ok, so help me out with this. I love Hammer 5 because I can quickly swap to hammer, drop an AoE stun which helps in ranged pressure and pushes. Hammer 2 and 4 are "ok", though I feel as a support build I have better defensive options.

    What will I be able to do better with the shield (and pistol?), outside of the obvious one of not dying when using bulwark at the wrong time :sunglasses:

  • coro.3176coro.3176 Member ✭✭✭✭

    As others have said, shield is fine. It's MH pistol that needs fixing.

  • archmagus.7249archmagus.7249 Member ✭✭✭

    I think maybe if they made it so that you kept blocking after you stunned someone, that would make it more useful. Currently the block ends as soon as your shield gets hit, the enemy is stunned and the skill goes on cooldown. This forces you to go on the offensive immediately after throwing up your block.

    Modifying it so that you block for a slightly shorter duration, but only stun on the first hit would be nice. This gives you some time to prepare a counterattack.

  • Vagrant.7206Vagrant.7206 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @archmagus.7249 said:
    I think maybe if they made it so that you kept blocking after you stunned someone, that would make it more useful. Currently the block ends as soon as your shield gets hit, the enemy is stunned and the skill goes on cooldown. This forces you to go on the offensive immediately after throwing up your block.

    Modifying it so that you block for a slightly shorter duration, but only stun on the first hit would be nice. This gives you some time to prepare a counterattack.

    I've never had it stop on the first stun. It channels all the way through for me.

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  • DemonSeed.3528DemonSeed.3528 Member ✭✭✭✭

    I love shield as is. Pistol mainhand, not so much. Not sure if I mentioned it before, but if you aren't a holo and you are using pistol/shield, your enemy will laugh at you. This one time I was fighting someone, basically they laughed at me and messaged me, "poot poot poot". That's how people identify mainhand pistol on engineer, as "poot poot poot". Please. Don't make me hear poot poot poot anymore.

  • beeftotem.4137beeftotem.4137 Member ✭✭
    edited March 27, 2019

    @DemonSeed.3528 said:
    I love shield as is. Pistol mainhand, not so much. Not sure if I mentioned it before, but if you aren't a holo and you are using pistol/shield, your enemy will laugh at you. This one time I was fighting someone, basically they laughed at me and messaged me, "poot poot poot". That's how people identify mainhand pistol on engineer, as "poot poot poot". Please. Don't make me hear poot poot poot anymore.

    This basically broke my heart after making my engi. I made the engi to pvp with and went right to holo because of some videos i watched. After a few matches of 5v5 and i started to get the hang of holo i figured i would level it to pve with as well. Went rifle at first and hated it. Found a pistol and a shield and was happy, until i actually attacked something. Not I'm using rifle but I'm pushing through because of how fun holo is. Can't wait.

  • beeftotem.4137beeftotem.4137 Member ✭✭
    edited March 27, 2019

    Oops oops5

  • LucianDK.8615LucianDK.8615 Member ✭✭✭✭

    You do have another mainhand. Sword with holosmith.

  • Vagrant.7206Vagrant.7206 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @LucianDK.8615 said:
    You do have another mainhand. Sword with holosmith.

    But you can't be playing core or scrapper to use it.

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  • LucianDK.8615LucianDK.8615 Member ✭✭✭✭

    But the point still stands, you do have the opportunity with holo for a better mainhand. but yeah, it shows a lack of core weapons.

  • @LucianDK.8615 said:
    But the point still stands, you do have the opportunity with holo for a better mainhand. but yeah, it shows a lack of core weapons.

    The point does not stand as leveling up you only have pistol or rifle, and rifle is far better.

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