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  • mrauls.6519mrauls.6519 Member ✭✭✭
    edited April 9, 2019

    Years later, and I still can't believe I got this name. I feel you OP. I think they should make it so you can "sell" names for gold.


    https://i.imgur.com/9V7F7Js.jpg

  • Lunia.2736Lunia.2736 Member ✭✭

    @Ashen.2907 said:

    @Lunia.2736 said:

    @MikeG.6389 said:

    Firstly, who are you to judge why a certain name is not available to you?

    What...? Why would it be me judging? It'd be an automated system determining completely dormant accounts based on not having logged in for over 7 years etc.

    I wouldn't be touching anyone's account. It would merely be Anet recycling completely dead names from 2012/2013 that are on inactive accounts.

    @Ashen.2907 said:
    "someone else has something that I want. Please take it away from them and give it to me."

    This comment is way underrated.

    It's underrated because it's missing the point entirely.

    Not missing the point at all. Person A has something that person B wants and so person B is asking that the something be taken away so that he can have it. Period.

    Imagine you got a new office job.

    You work there for 6 years in your mediocre office space (metaphor: "bad" name in gw2) and wonder why you could never get the amazing office space (metaphor: "good" name in gw2) next to you which has been empty for 7 years.

    So you go to your boss and ask your boss if you could move into that office, since you've been actively with the company for 6 years now. The boss tells you that office belongs to Bob. You ask: "Huh, who's Bob?" Oh, he was a new employee (metaphor: low level, low value account) who quit his job on his first day 7 years ago, we keep his office space reserved for him on the off-chance he gets back.

    Would it be too much to ask for Bob's office space to be reassigned to you after 7 years and Bob having to be the one who gets the mediocre office space if he does somehow happen to come back on year 8? I personally don't think so.

    Bad and good name has been put in quotations since that's very subjective.
    But think of wanting to name your character "Ash" or "Ashen" instead of "Ashén The Burnt" as an example.

    People posting here need to realize they won't lose their name if this is implemented properly! If so it would only affect the dormant accounts from around launch that carry little to no actual worth. It's not like their character will get deleted either, they will simply have to choose a new name.

    Now I hear the argument that if they came back to the game they'd be put off the game because they'd have to choose a new name, but you also need to think about the amount of people who are put off the game because they can't get any of the names they are interested in to begin with.

  • Lunia.2736Lunia.2736 Member ✭✭

    @Just a flesh wound.3589 said:

    @Lunia.2736 said:

    @Ashen.2907 said:

    @Lunia.2736 said:

    @MikeG.6389 said:

    Firstly, who are you to judge why a certain name is not available to you?

    What...? Why would it be me judging? It'd be an automated system determining completely dormant accounts based on not having logged in for over 7 years etc.

    I wouldn't be touching anyone's account. It would merely be Anet recycling completely dead names from 2012/2013 that are on inactive accounts.

    @Ashen.2907 said:
    "someone else has something that I want. Please take it away from them and give it to me."

    This comment is way underrated.

    It's underrated because it's missing the point entirely.

    Not missing the point at all. Person A has something that person B wants and so person B is asking that the something be taken away so that he can have it. Period.

    Imagine you got a new office job.

    You work there for 6 years in your mediocre office space (metaphor: "bad" name in gw2) and wonder why you could never get the amazing office space (metaphor: "good" name in gw2) next to you which has been empty for 7 years.

    So you go to your boss and ask your boss if you could move into that office, since you've been actively with the company for 6 years now. The boss tells you that office belongs to Bob. You ask: "Huh, who's Bob?" Oh, he was a new employee (metaphor: low level, low value account) who quit his job on his first day 7 years ago, we keep his office space reserved for him on the off-chance he gets back.

    Would it be too much to ask for Bob's office space to be reassigned to you after 7 years and Bob having to be the one who gets the mediocre office space if he does somehow happen to come back on year 8? I personally don't think so.

    Bad and good name has been put in quotations since that's very subjective.
    But think of wanting to name your character "Ash" or "Ashen" instead of "Ashén The Burnt" as an example.

    People posting here need to realize they won't lose their name if this is implemented properly! If so it would only affect the dormant accounts from around launch that carry little to no actual worth. It's not like their character will get deleted either, they will simply have to choose a new name.

    Now I hear the argument that if they came back to the game they'd be put off the game because they'd have to choose a new name, but you also need to think about the amount of people who are put off the game because they can't get any of the names they are interested in to begin with.

    Then, using OP’s name buying suggestion, after “buying” the name you wanted from an absent player and using it for X amount of time, getting known by it, perhaps even getting well known by that name, the original owner logs in one day and your name is gone and you’re back where you started from. Except it’s worse than where you started from because you had gotten used to using that name and people knew you by that name and now someone else has it.

    All that could have been avoided by making an unique name for your char that is yours and yours alone.

    Yeah, I don't agree with that part. They shouldn't be able to reclaim their name.

  • Dami.5046Dami.5046 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Just to add my 6 pennies worth, some of the names i wanted as far back as past beta weren't even available and those characters are prefixed with the super amazing X name X . My main character had to be renamed as a past name i had in guildwars one because i couldn't have the shortened version, and i actually hate the two X's. But at least those characters have their name in part.

  • ProtoGunner.4953ProtoGunner.4953 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Problem is, many have still the mindset that they can use only one word as a name and hence it it's gone. Just use a first and a last name. I do that and I never had any problems. Be creative.

  • Lunia.2736Lunia.2736 Member ✭✭

    @MikeG.6389 said:
    And you just set up a class system based on account value... What is the minimum value above which Anet shouldn't touch my account? You know, just tobe on the safe side.

    You're posting on the forums, so your account contains activity. Therefore you wouldn't be affected at all.
    I'm strictly speaking about completely fresh accounts from around launch that are left for dead since over 7 years with nothing on it. That's about as low as the minimum value goes.

    So you would take a name from someone who you deem not worthy of having it, but if they would ever try to reclaim it, you would just go: "Yeah, F**k'em!"

    Bit of an overreaction for a name on a 5 minute playtime level 2 character on a dormant launch account, don't you think?

    There are 26 letters in the English alphabet alone. You have 19 spaces to come up with a name with those letters- If you can't find a name that's not taken it's just for lack of trying. In which case your place in the "mediocre office space" is very well deserved.

    It has nothing to do finding a name that's not been taken. You already have an office space (name) in my metaphor.

    I'm clapping VERY, VERY slowly at the moment.
    To hell with clapping, this is worthy of a standing ovation!

    Being condescending when someone has a different opinion than you do on a very neutral matter. A classic.
    Let me return the favor by reminding you that this is a forum for discussion. You could just state your view on a matter in a peaceful fashion so that they can actually be discussed.

  • MikeG.6389MikeG.6389 Member ✭✭✭

    @Lunia.2736 said:
    Being condescending when someone has a different opinion than you do on a very neutral matter. A classic.
    Let me return the favor by reminding you that this is a forum for discussion. You could just state your view on a matter in a peaceful fashion so that they can actually be discussed.

    Let me return the favour and remind you again:

    YOU DO NOT TOUCH ANOTHER PLAYER'S ACCOUNT!!!

    This is the "Alpha and the Omega" on the subject. I can't be condescending enough if you can't comprehend something so utterly simple.

  • Lunia.2736Lunia.2736 Member ✭✭

    @MikeG.6389 said:

    @Lunia.2736 said:
    Being condescending when someone has a different opinion than you do on a very neutral matter. A classic.
    Let me return the favor by reminding you that this is a forum for discussion. You could just state your view on a matter in a peaceful fashion so that they can actually be discussed.

    Let me return the favour and remind you again:

    YOU DO NOT TOUCH ANOTHER PLAYER'S ACCOUNT!!!

    This is the "Alpha and the Omega" on the subject. I can't be condescending enough if you can't comprehend something so utterly simple.

    But that's your view on the matter. Not a fact. So treat it as such. :p

  • Danikat.8537Danikat.8537 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @MikeG.6389 said:
    Secondly, YOU DON'T TOUCH ANOTHER PLAYER'S ACCOUNT!!! I can't fathom why this is so effing difficult to comprehend...

    @Ashen.2907 said:
    "someone else has something that I want. Please take it away from them and give it to me."

    This comment is way underrated.

    But ideally it needs to be done in the style of Rocket Racoon. "Well that doesn't follow, no I want it more sir, you understand?"

    @mrauls.6519 said:
    Years later, and I still can't believe I got this name. I feel you OP. I think they should make it so you can "sell" names for gold.

    There is nothing stopping that now. It's not something Anet offers directly but there's also no rules against it. If someone else has the name you want you could offer to buy it from them - provide the name change contract and some gold on top of that, then the two of you would just need to agree a time and date to do it (bearing in mind it takes 24 hours for an unused name to be released).

    @Lunia.2736 said:

    @Ashen.2907 said:

    @Lunia.2736 said:

    @MikeG.6389 said:

    Firstly, who are you to judge why a certain name is not available to you?

    What...? Why would it be me judging? It'd be an automated system determining completely dormant accounts based on not having logged in for over 7 years etc.

    I wouldn't be touching anyone's account. It would merely be Anet recycling completely dead names from 2012/2013 that are on inactive accounts.

    @Ashen.2907 said:
    "someone else has something that I want. Please take it away from them and give it to me."

    This comment is way underrated.

    It's underrated because it's missing the point entirely.

    Not missing the point at all. Person A has something that person B wants and so person B is asking that the something be taken away so that he can have it. Period.

    Imagine you got a new office job.

    You work there for 6 years in your mediocre office space (metaphor: "bad" name in gw2) and wonder why you could never get the amazing office space (metaphor: "good" name in gw2) next to you which has been empty for 7 years.

    So you go to your boss and ask your boss if you could move into that office, since you've been actively with the company for 6 years now. The boss tells you that office belongs to Bob. You ask: "Huh, who's Bob?" Oh, he was a new employee (metaphor: low level, low value account) who quit his job on his first day 7 years ago, we keep his office space reserved for him on the off-chance he gets back.

    Would it be too much to ask for Bob's office space to be reassigned to you after 7 years and Bob having to be the one who gets the mediocre office space if he does somehow happen to come back on year 8? I personally don't think so.

    Bad and good name has been put in quotations since that's very subjective.
    But think of wanting to name your character "Ash" or "Ashen" instead of "Ashén The Burnt" as an example.

    People posting here need to realize they won't lose their name if this is implemented properly! If so it would only affect the dormant accounts from around launch that carry little to no actual worth. It's not like their character will get deleted either, they will simply have to choose a new name.

    Now I hear the argument that if they came back to the game they'd be put off the game because they'd have to choose a new name, but you also need to think about the amount of people who are put off the game because they can't get any of the names they are interested in to begin with.

    The difference there is Bob and the company have a contract stating what is expected of each of them, and by not showing up to work Bob has broken that contract and therefore lost any claim to the things the company agreed to provide. Anet also has a contract with GW2 players (it's the User Agreement which we all accepted when we started playing) which makes absolutely no mention of how often we are required to sign in to keep our accounts - only that we obtain an account through legal means and don't break the other terms of the user agreement.

    In fact it specifically states that the only reason Anet would modify or delete your account or character name is if you're in violation of the user agreement. And they've said in that case they won't release the original name/s because they don't want the person punished to be able to get them back, and don't want innocent newbies being mistaken for a banned player.

    (And incidentally plenty of companies do keep desks, or entire offices, reserved for employees who are rarely there. There's various reasons to do this - for example they might mainly work in the field, but when they are in the office they're dealing with confidential information and need a private space to work. Or it might simply be considered a perk for certain positions. And the company - as the ones who own and manage their office space - are entirely within their rights to do that. If another employee isn't happy and thinks they deserve a better office then their options are to find another job with an office they do like.)

    @ProtoGunner.4953 said:
    Problem is, many have still the mindset that they can use only one word as a name and hence it it's gone. Just use a first and a last name. I do that and I never had any problems. Be creative.

    One of my all-time favourite 'newbie' moments (which actually happened in Elder Scrolls Online but is just as applicable to GW2) was a guy who had obviously just created his first character excitedly asking everyone how they got "invisible letters" in their name - what did you have to type in to make an invisible letter? No one knew what he was talking about until someone said "Do you mean a space?"

    I don't know what game/s he'd been playing previously, but apparently it had never occurred to him that a game would let you do that, he thought we'd all figured out some clever trick to insert a character that wouldn't show and he was so happy to find out it was that simple. (He immediately went to delete his character and re-make them with the name he wanted.)

    Danielle Aurorel - Desolation EU. Mini Collector.

    "In this town, we call home, everyone hail to the pumpkin song! In this town, don't we love it now? Everyone's waiting for the next surprise!"

  • @MikeG.6389 said:

    YOU DO NOT TOUCH ANOTHER PLAYER'S ACCOUNT!!!

    This is the "Alpha and the Omega" on the subject. I can't be condescending enough if you can't comprehend something so utterly simple.

    Comprehension problems appear to indeed be running rampant here, albeit not quite in the manner that you appear to be thinking about. Nobody's talking about "touching accounts". This would be purely on Arenanet, not players - no player would go and mingle with any accounts. The way this usually works in other MMOs is that an algorithm checks for two things - character level and account activity. Let's make a bunch of examples, shall we? Billy, Bobby and Hank bought Guild Wars 2 at launch. Billy played the game for a few hours, created a bunch of characters and never went higher than level ten on any of them before quitting, because the game simply wasn't for him. Bobby played a little longer on a single character, who reached max level, then he stopped playing as well. Hank kept playing and has multiple max level characters, as well as a bunch below level 10.

    Now let's imagine an algorithm is implemented that frees up names of old characters, if two of the following are fulfilled: The account has not been in use for a prolonged period of time - let's say five years. And the character is below level ten. Looking at our examples above the only affected player would be billy - he hasn't played the game in a while and none of his characters made it over level 10, ergo the names will be freed up. Bobby hasn't played for a long time either, but his character is higher than level 10, so it won't be affected. Hank, on the other hand, has a bunch of characters under level 10, but due to him remaining active he'll be able to keep those names.

    I fail to see the issue there.

  • Danikat.8537Danikat.8537 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited April 9, 2019

    @Donari.5237 said:
    WoW didn't start out doing it, it was only as of the WoD expansion they did it. And they did get me to come back to save my names, as I note in the middle of this thread on the old forums https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/gw2/Taken-names/page/1 But they won't get me a second time, nor did it turn out to be any fun to go back. So using this as a cudgel to urge lapsed players to return isn't really going to work, in my opinion, not on people that really are not interested in the game any more.

    Speaking of that old thread, if you read it then this current thread will give you serious deja vu. Because every now and then we get a new thread asking the old question about how come there are no names available and the exact same comments are made, pro and con.

    So, I find this interesting. A lot of people have said that asuran names specifically are hard to get these days, and the OP of that thread used Xowen and Xowin as examples of names where every variant is taken. I decided to experiment. I took them at their word (and assumed nothing had changed since 2016) and therefore Xowen and Xowin were still taken. I considered Xoowen but didn't like how it looked so didn't try it, and then I tried Xowiin and it worked.

    Literally the first name I actually tried, based on one I'd been told had no available variants 3 years ago, and it was available.

    I guess it's possible whoever had that name has deleted the character or changed it since then, but it still seems like a bit of a coincidence that the first asuran name I tried was available.

    (Incidentally if anyone wants it Xowiin will be available again in 24 hours, I've just deleted him, although I might use it for a key runner next week.)

    (The sylvari name Ariabethe is available too, or will be in 24 hours. It's a combination of the Welsh arian - silver and old Irish bethe - birch, so silver birch. I've considered changing my sylvari mesmer's name to that to make it more lore friendly - it's currently Bethe Arian - but I like it as it is.)

    Danielle Aurorel - Desolation EU. Mini Collector.

    "In this town, we call home, everyone hail to the pumpkin song! In this town, don't we love it now? Everyone's waiting for the next surprise!"

  • Obtena.7952Obtena.7952 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Healix.5819 said:

    @kharmin.7683 said:
    And kittened off players who lose their name?

    If they couldn't be bothered to login after being notified that they would lose their name due to inactivity, they didn't care in the first place. The primary reason to release inactive names isn't to free them, it's to encourage those who still cared to come back, who would have otherwise likely never returned.

    No, that's incorrect because the game is designed so players can leave for extended periods of time and come back. Being 'active' in this game doesn't mean much. I fact, I would define anyone that doesn't purchase gems as 'inactive' from a business POV.

    If you think balancing is only driven by performance and justified by comparisons to other classes then prepare to be educated:

    https://www.guildwars2.com/en/news/balance-updates-the-heralds-near-future-and-pvp-league-season-13/

  • notebene.3190notebene.3190 Member ✭✭✭✭

    I don't see why names have to free up. They have the best system for naming characters. They allow spaces, quite a few characters, and some special characters. I get more frustrated systems where they don't allow a space, so you have to use an underscore.

    Legolas Ignatowski

    Granted, that's 18, but you get the idea.

    In the event I don't get a chance, thank you all for the company and help when I needed it from time to time.

  • MikeG.6389MikeG.6389 Member ✭✭✭

    @Wylf.2586 said:

    @MikeG.6389 said:

    YOU DO NOT TOUCH ANOTHER PLAYER'S ACCOUNT!!!

    This is the "Alpha and the Omega" on the subject. I can't be condescending enough if you can't comprehend something so utterly simple.

    Comprehension problems appear to indeed be running rampant here, albeit not quite in the manner that you appear to be thinking about. Nobody's talking about "touching accounts". This would be purely on Arenanet, not players - no player would go and mingle with any accounts. The way this usually works in other MMOs is that an algorithm checks for two things - character level and account activity. Let's make a bunch of examples, shall we? Billy, Bobby and Hank bought Guild Wars 2 at launch. Billy played the game for a few hours, created a bunch of characters and never went higher than level ten on any of them before quitting, because the game simply wasn't for him. Bobby played a little longer on a single character, who reached max level, then he stopped playing as well. Hank kept playing and has multiple max level characters, as well as a bunch below level 10.

    Now let's imagine an algorithm is implemented that frees up names of old characters, if two of the following are fulfilled: The account has not been in use for a prolonged period of time - let's say five years. And the character is below level ten. Looking at our examples above the only affected player would be billy - he hasn't played the game in a while and none of his characters made it over level 10, ergo the names will be freed up. Bobby hasn't played for a long time either, but his character is higher than level 10, so it won't be affected. Hank, on the other hand, has a bunch of characters under level 10, but due to him remaining active he'll be able to keep those names.

    I fail to see the issue there.

    The issue is that Anet has never shown being capable of something that would come even a teeny bit close to how you seem to be so ready to disregard account privacy. Not in the previous game, not in this one.

    The issue is that if they suddenly changed their stance on this matter, it would be on the behest of people like you, should you make enough noise. This takes care of who would be responsible why account privacy is disregarded, if you ask me, even though it would be their hands doing the business.

    The issue is that even if they did what YOU want them to, the result would most likely be quite underwhelming to YOU. You simply don't know where your desired name is being locked away from you. It may very well be on an account that doesn't fall within your arbitrary constraints, of which there are a few, I think...

    You have more than enough tools to come up with a name that is original (i.e. not a reference to anything) and isn't in use.

  • Klowdy.3126Klowdy.3126 Member ✭✭✭

    @notebene.3190 said:
    I don't see why names have to free up. They have the best system for naming characters. They allow spaces, quite a few characters, and some special characters. I get more frustrated systems where they don't allow a space, so you have to use an underscore.

    Legolas Ignatowski

    Granted, that's 18, but you get the idea.

    People need to come up with last names, and titles like the Vikings used. Ivar the boneless, Eric the red, Eric the great, Leif Erikson. This game is so easy in which to make names. Sorry, Sephiroth, and all of its deviations are taken. Nope, Groot is unavailable, be more clever.

  • Danikat.8537Danikat.8537 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited April 9, 2019

    @Obtena.7952 said:

    @Healix.5819 said:

    @kharmin.7683 said:
    And kittened off players who lose their name?

    If they couldn't be bothered to login after being notified that they would lose their name due to inactivity, they didn't care in the first place. The primary reason to release inactive names isn't to free them, it's to encourage those who still cared to come back, who would have otherwise likely never returned.

    No, that's incorrect because the game is designed so players can leave for extended periods of time and come back. Being 'active' in this game doesn't mean much. I fact, I would define anyone that doesn't purchase gems as 'inactive' from a business POV.

    Although in an MMO people who don't purchase gems still have a value for the company in that they're (some of) the people the gem purchasers are playing with. If you go to do WvW or PvP or a meta event or whatever it doesn't matter at all if the people around you have bought gems recently, or ever*, it just matters if they're there to play with or against. So keeping those people in the game is important too, because it ensures an active population which helps keep the people who are spending money happy and more inclined to keep spending money.

    *This is in itself good game design - because it very easily could matter and then you get a lot of elitism, pay to win mechanics and overall less fun for everyone.

    Also they could at any time start/resume buying gems. At various points I've gone for about 6-8 months without buying gems at all, then bought a lot in a short space of time just because that's how things worked out with my finances and things I wanted to buy in GW2.

    This is also why Anet probably wants to be very wary of scaring off returning players with things like finding out all their characters have been stripped of their names. The game has changed a lot over the years and that person who quit in 2012 or 2013 or whenever could be one of the ones who is much more interested in the game as it is now than how it used to be before 6+ years of fixes and additions. Imagine logging in to check out what you've already got before buying HoT and PoF (or worse, just after buying them), only to find all your characters have been stripped of their names because someone else decided they deserve it more than you do and now you have to rename them all before you can play.

    I'm sure some people would say that wouldn't bother them, but if you're not that bothered about what you character is called presumably you can choose another name for them when you're making them. If it was me then, as I said earlier in the thread that would be the last time I'd ever log into that game and I'd be warning my friends away too - it's not worth committing to a game which will ruin your characters if you don't keep up with their arbitrary standards for activity.

    Danielle Aurorel - Desolation EU. Mini Collector.

    "In this town, we call home, everyone hail to the pumpkin song! In this town, don't we love it now? Everyone's waiting for the next surprise!"

  • Eloc Freidon.5692Eloc Freidon.5692 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Its a shame when games that encourage multiple characters don't incorporate an @handle system. Your handle is what identifies you, so you can name your characters anything you want.

  • MikeG.6389MikeG.6389 Member ✭✭✭

    @Eloc Freidon.5692 said:
    Its a shame when games that encourage multiple characters don't incorporate an @handle system. Your handle is what identifies you, so you can name your characters anything you want.

    I think the Display Name ("NAME.XXXX") does that to your account. It may just be too complicated to alter the game to recognize that instead of the character's name when going about your business in the game.

    Here's an idea:
    How about adding another field for names during character creation so that you can have a surname (or title, or whatever) and a first name separate from each other. Then you would also have the ability to freely change which one - if not both - is shown to other players in the Hero panel. So for example you'd put 'Legolas' in the first field, 'Smith' in the second, and then you tick a box next to Legolas and only that would appear to other players. The combined name would be unique and still, you wouldn't have to suffer the ridicule of others when running around as 'Legolas Smith'...
    I've seen another game going about it using similar methods, but three fields for names instead of two. You could tick a box next to each of them and only those were shown to other players.
    This might be hard - or even impossible - to implement, but at least this wouldn't violate account privacy and would allow anyone to have their desired name displayed.

  • Danikat.8537Danikat.8537 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @MikeG.6389 said:

    @Eloc Freidon.5692 said:
    Its a shame when games that encourage multiple characters don't incorporate an @handle system. Your handle is what identifies you, so you can name your characters anything you want.

    I think the Display Name ("NAME.XXXX") does that to your account. It may just be too complicated to alter the game to recognize that instead of the character's name when going about your business in the game.

    Here's an idea:
    How about adding another field for names during character creation so that you can have a surname (or title, or whatever) and a first name separate from each other. Then you would also have the ability to freely change which one - if not both - is shown to other players in the Hero panel. So for example you'd put 'Legolas' in the first field, 'Smith' in the second, and then you tick a box next to Legolas and only that would appear to other players. The combined name would be unique and still, you wouldn't have to suffer the ridicule of others when running around as 'Legolas Smith'...
    I've seen another game going about it using similar methods, but three fields for names instead of two. You could tick a box next to each of them and only those were shown to other players.
    This might be hard - or even impossible - to implement, but at least this wouldn't violate account privacy and would allow anyone to have their desired name displayed.

    That could be problematic for things like mail and gifting however. If someone only knows you as Legolas how do they know what to type in when sending you mail? How do they ensure it goes to you and not to another Legolas?

    One solution there could be to disable typing a name in and instead require players to find the right person in their friends list, guild or in chat and right-click their name, but I'm not sure how many people would find that annoying, especially for gem store gifting where you'd then have to go back through the menus to find the item you wanted to send.

    I like the idea of seperate first and last name boxes, but for other reasons. In particular then you could choose which one/s the game uses when your characters name appears in text, so NPCs don't always have to use their full name. And getting to choose would be ideal so, for example Thomas Ash could just be called Thomas, but Master Akkih isn't stuck being called Master by his friends.

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  • Teratus.2859Teratus.2859 Member ✭✭✭✭

    As much as it very likely won't happen I do agree with you OP.

    I've had to compromize on names as well as get creative with them but it is annoying when someone else has taken the name you want, specially when they haven't played the game in years nor plan to again.

    Perhaps it would be better if Anet allowed for duplicate names and instead used the players unique account name to whisper etc
    Im pretty sure i've seen other MMO's utalize something like that.

  • ProtoGunner.4953ProtoGunner.4953 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Danikat.8537 said:

    @ProtoGunner.4953 said:
    Problem is, many have still the mindset that they can use only one word as a name and hence it it's gone. Just use a first and a last name. I do that and I never had any problems. Be creative.

    One of my all-time favourite 'newbie' moments (which actually happened in Elder Scrolls Online but is just as applicable to GW2) was a guy who had obviously just created his first character excitedly asking everyone how they got "invisible letters" in their name - what did you have to type in to make an invisible letter? No one knew what he was talking about until someone said "Do you mean a space?"

    I don't know what game/s he'd been playing previously, but apparently it had never occurred to him that a game would let you do that, he thought we'd all figured out some clever trick to insert a character that wouldn't show and he was so happy to find out it was that simple. (He immediately went to delete his character and re-make them with the name he wanted.)

    That is hilarious :joy: BTW for example Aion, WoW and I think FF14, too didn't let you use space. I never understood it, since I first played GW1 and it was very 'normal' to me.

  • Teratus.2859Teratus.2859 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited April 9, 2019

    @MikeG.6389 said:

    @Teratus.2859 said:
    As much as it very likely won't happen I do agree with you OP.

    I've had to compromize on names as well as get creative with them but it is annoying when someone else has taken the name you want, specially when they haven't played the game in years nor plan to again.

    Perhaps it would be better if Anet allowed for duplicate names and instead used the players unique account name to whisper etc
    Im pretty sure i've seen other MMO's utalize something like that.

    Again, the presumption that the name you so desperately want is sitting on a long unused account... and that the owner of said account will never play again.
    Anyway, where's the problem with getting a little bit creative?

    Creativity only goes so far.. and some people like myself for example are significantly invested into giving our character natural sounding lore fitting names and honestly despise having to throw a name out entirely because it's taken or change a few letters around or spell them akwardly to the point they look and sound stupid.
    This usually results in a character getting deleted entirely, or our plans for a new character to get thrown out until we can think up another character we want to make.

    Nobody's presuming the names we want are sitting on long inactive accounts but it is a fact that there are a lot of dead Gw2 accounts which will never be used again and some of them may have claimed good names that someone else who does play the game regularly would get more use out of.

    The biggest problem for me I find is Sylvari and Asura characters as they specifically only have singular names unlike Humans and Norns which have both first and second naems, I do not enjoy incorporating titles into my character names that conflict with who that character is and where they came from either so it becomes increadibly difficult to find sigular fitting names for these characters.
    Charr also have specific restrictions on their names too which can make them a little tricky to find good names for.
    For example a Charr's last name tends to incorporate both a defining trait of their personality along with something that relates to their legion or warband.

    To use one of my Charr characters as example.. I have a Charr Necromancer that I had already decided was going to be an Ash legion member and a Minon Master build days before I even created the characer.. so her last name combined those two elements becoming Ashfiend.
    Charr are not to bad since they have two names but Sylvari and Asura are a lot harder to name due to the singular restriction.
    It may not matter to you and a lot of people but some of us put a great deal of effort into designing our characters and there's nothing worse than thinking up a theme, build, playstyle, appearance even what weapons we'll use and what armor and what colours we'll dye it all before we even create the character.. only to find someone else has claimed the one name you felt would fit that character.

  • kharmin.7683kharmin.7683 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @MikeG.6389 said:

    How about adding another field for names during character creation so that you can have a surname (or title, or whatever) and a first name separate from each other. Then you would also have the ability to freely change which one - if not both - is shown to other players in the Hero panel. So for example you'd put 'Legolas' in the first field, 'Smith' in the second, and then you tick a box next to Legolas and only that would appear to other players. The combined name would be unique and still, you wouldn't have to suffer the ridicule of others when running around as 'Legolas Smith'...

    Please, no. I really don't want my screen filled with dozens of Legolas running around.

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  • Danikat.8537Danikat.8537 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @ProtoGunner.4953 said:

    @Danikat.8537 said:

    @ProtoGunner.4953 said:
    Problem is, many have still the mindset that they can use only one word as a name and hence it it's gone. Just use a first and a last name. I do that and I never had any problems. Be creative.

    One of my all-time favourite 'newbie' moments (which actually happened in Elder Scrolls Online but is just as applicable to GW2) was a guy who had obviously just created his first character excitedly asking everyone how they got "invisible letters" in their name - what did you have to type in to make an invisible letter? No one knew what he was talking about until someone said "Do you mean a space?"

    I don't know what game/s he'd been playing previously, but apparently it had never occurred to him that a game would let you do that, he thought we'd all figured out some clever trick to insert a character that wouldn't show and he was so happy to find out it was that simple. (He immediately went to delete his character and re-make them with the name he wanted.)

    That is hilarious :joy: BTW for example Aion, WoW and I think FF14, too didn't let you use space. I never understood it, since I first played GW1 and it was very 'normal' to me.

    It's a similar situation for me, I played Ultima Online where only single word names were allowed, first encountered surnames in games in Neverwinter Nights (the single-player one, not the MMO) and my next MMO was Guild Wars 1 where characters had two word names, then GW2 where you could choose. So I just assumed things had moved on and games had more flexible names now.

    Of course I'm currently waiting for my other MMO to finish server maintenance so I can log in, something else I assumed ended with GW1, so it looks like things don't progress evenly across different games.

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  • @mrauls.6519 said:
    Years later, and I still can't believe I got this name. I feel you OP. I think they should make it so you can "sell" names for gold.


    https://i.imgur.com/9V7F7Js.jpg

    I mean, theoretically you still could. It would just have to involve really good timing on your and the buyer's part, with deleting/renaming your character and the buyer creating/renaming their character at nearly the same time. There would be no guarantee either.

  • Danikat.8537Danikat.8537 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @kettering.6823 said:
    I mean, theoretically you still could. It would just have to involve really good timing on your and the buyer's part, with deleting/renaming your character and the buyer creating/renaming their character at nearly the same time. There would be no guarantee either.

    I'm not sure it would require precise timing. Going by the number of characters appearing in the introductory instances there aren't huge numbers of new characters being created at any given time. The chances of someone trying for exactly that name at the right time seems very small. It would need planning of course, but I would have thought something like "I'll rename my character at 4:00pm UTC on Tuesday" and then the other person makes sure they're making their character at 4:00pm on Wednesday, so when they're done the name will be available and they can use it. I'd even say it might be worth leaving it a minute or two for the database to update, but I've not tried so I'm not sure how that actually works.

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  • @Danikat.8537 said:

    @kettering.6823 said:
    I mean, theoretically you still could. It would just have to involve really good timing on your and the buyer's part, with deleting/renaming your character and the buyer creating/renaming their character at nearly the same time. There would be no guarantee either.

    I'm not sure it would require precise timing. Going by the number of characters appearing in the introductory instances there aren't huge numbers of new characters being created at any given time. The chances of someone trying for exactly that name at the right time seems very small. It would need planning of course, but I would have thought something like "I'll rename my character at 4:00pm UTC on Tuesday" and then the other person makes sure they're making their character at 4:00pm on Wednesday, so when they're done the name will be available and they can use it. I'd even say it might be worth leaving it a minute or two for the database to update, but I've not tried so I'm not sure how that actually works.

    I would still personally feel more comfortable communicating with someone on Discord if I were to attempt something like that, just to make sure it works. But I'm paranoid about stuff like that. It's all theoretical though, like you said; I've never actually seen or heard of anyone trying something like this, at least not in GW2. In games like LoL though, definitely.

  • Danikat.8537Danikat.8537 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Genesis.8572 said:

    The biggest problem for me I find is Sylvari and Asura characters as they specifically only have singular names unlike Humans and Norns which have both first and second naems, I do not enjoy incorporating titles into my character names that conflict with who that character is and where they came from either so it becomes increadibly difficult to find sigular fitting names for these characters.

    Scarlet Briar. Sylvari can have or make surnames for themselves, especially now as they encounter more races that use the equivalent of surnames. They too may opt to adopt them such that they can distinguish themselves from their fellow sylvari.

    As I understand it the lore only says that sylvari do not have family names, because they don't have families (or they're all one family). There's nothing to say their name has to be just one word. I realise most sylvari in-game do have one word names (Scarlet being the obvious exception) but IMO it's not going against the lore for them to have a two (or three) word name, it just won't be one they inherited from their parents.

    And of course many of them have titles, either related to their job or rank or a kind of nickname, like Laranthir of the Wild.

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  • @Lunia.2736 said:
    But you won't lose any of your names? The idea is to only free up completely unused names on inactive accounts since around launch. Which is when the majority of names were taken.

    So what do you tell the players who where promised by the devs that their names from GW1 would be reserved for them and created new toons in GW2?
    What do you tell the players who where promised when they purchased GW2 that they could log in any time and their accounts would be just like they left them?
    Your asking Anet to go back on their word and change a fundamental rule they created right from the beginning for no reason other then you can't think up a name ?
    The only word I can think of to describe an attitude like this would be "entitlement".

    Bottom line, the game was advertised and SOLD with this feature. Players purchased it with this feature. That should be enough to end this discussion right there.

  • @Lunia.2736 said:

    @Ashen.2907 said:

    @Lunia.2736 said:

    @MikeG.6389 said:

    Firstly, who are you to judge why a certain name is not available to you?

    What...? Why would it be me judging? It'd be an automated system determining completely dormant accounts based on not having logged in for over 7 years etc.

    I wouldn't be touching anyone's account. It would merely be Anet recycling completely dead names from 2012/2013 that are on inactive accounts.

    @Ashen.2907 said:
    "someone else has something that I want. Please take it away from them and give it to me."

    This comment is way underrated.

    It's underrated because it's missing the point entirely.

    Not missing the point at all. Person A has something that person B wants and so person B is asking that the something be taken away so that he can have it. Period.

    Imagine you got a new office job.

    You work there for 6 years in your mediocre office space (metaphor: "bad" name in gw2) and wonder why you could never get the amazing office space (metaphor: "good" name in gw2) next to you which has been empty for 7 years.

    So you go to your boss and ask your boss if you could move into that office, since you've been actively with the company for 6 years now. The boss tells you that office belongs to Bob. You ask: "Huh, who's Bob?" Oh, he was a new employee (metaphor: low level, low value account) who quit his job on his first day 7 years ago, we keep his office space reserved for him on the off-chance he gets back.

    Would it be too much to ask for Bob's office space to be reassigned to you after 7 years and Bob having to be the one who gets the mediocre office space if he does somehow happen to come back on year 8? I personally don't think so.

    Bad and good name has been put in quotations since that's very subjective.
    But think of wanting to name your character "Ash" or "Ashen" instead of "Ashén The Burnt" as an example.

    People posting here need to realize they won't lose their name if this is implemented properly! If so it would only affect the dormant accounts from around launch that carry little to no actual worth. It's not like their character will get deleted either, they will simply have to choose a new name.

    Now I hear the argument that if they came back to the game they'd be put off the game because they'd have to choose a new name, but you also need to think about the amount of people who are put off the game because they can't get any of the names they are interested in to begin with.

    If the "Bob" had an employment contract (game purchase) that stated that office (name) was his if/whenever he returned, then yes it would be reasonable for the company to hold it for him and you would not be entitled to take it from him just because you wanted it.

    There is no such thing as a "dormant" account or an unused account in GW or GW2. Once you create an account in GW it is yours for whenever you want to use it, even if that is never.
    That is the way it is and always has been, it's not going to change. Use a little imagination and think up your own name instead of trying to steal someone else's.

  • notebene.3190notebene.3190 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Klowdy.3126 said:

    @notebene.3190 said:
    I don't see why names have to free up. They have the best system for naming characters. They allow spaces, quite a few characters, and some special characters. I get more frustrated systems where they don't allow a space, so you have to use an underscore.

    Legolas Ignatowski

    Granted, that's 18, but you get the idea.

    People need to come up with last names, and titles like the Vikings used. Ivar the boneless, Eric the red, Eric the great, Leif Erikson. This game is so easy in which to make names. Sorry, Sephiroth, and all of its deviations are taken. Nope, Groot is unavailable, be more clever.

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  • Astralporing.1957Astralporing.1957 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited April 9, 2019

    @Lunia.2736 said:
    Imagine you got a new office job.

    You work there for 6 years in your mediocre office space (metaphor: "bad" name in gw2) and wonder why you could never get the amazing office space (metaphor: "good" name in gw2) next to you which has been empty for 7 years.

    So you go to your boss and ask your boss if you could move into that office, since you've been actively with the company for 6 years now. The boss tells you that office belongs to Bob. You ask: "Huh, who's Bob?" Oh, he was a new employee (metaphor: low level, low value account) who quit his job on his first day 7 years ago, we keep his office space reserved for him on the off-chance he gets back.

    Would it be too much to ask for Bob's office space to be reassigned to you after 7 years and Bob having to be the one who gets the mediocre office space if he does somehow happen to come back on year 8? I personally don't think so.

    The difference here is that "office spaces" in this case are not a limited resource, and you can create for yourself a completely new, good office space that will even be specifically tailored to you, instead of aping a design you saw somewhere else and probably doesn't really fit you. (metaphor: make yourself a good name. The only thing stopping you from doing that is your own unwillingness to do so).

    Also, what if the boss agreed with you, and told you that Bob's office space will be released if he won't show tomorrow. Tomorrow, you show up, there's no Bob, so you go happily to his former office space, only to see a new guy in it. He just got hired, and came to the job 5 mins before you...
    You waited for 6 years for that space, only to see it being taken by someone else, when you could have used those 6 years to look for a better one.

    Hint: If you are in a "mediocre office space" for 6 years, you can only blame yourself for preferring to wait for a lucky chance instead of taking your own life in your hands.

    The whole point of a social game is to play with the people you want to play with, not be forced to play with the people you don't.

  • That's what you get for naming your character Drizzt Do Urden (or any of the hundreds of variations that are out there.

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  • kharmin.7683kharmin.7683 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @MikeG.6389 said:

    Kenny The Copyguy

    Awesome! Not everyone would get that reference. Well done!

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  • KelyNeli.4516KelyNeli.4516 Member ✭✭✭

    If you have no idea for new names i could give you few:
    xXKnightofDeathXx
    69DarkVader69
    420noscoperboi420
    IHaveAutismBePatient
    FortnitePlayer2010
    XxXTentacleXxX
    LordOfTheGrandmaGarden
    666NWordPass999

  • Just a flesh wound.3589Just a flesh wound.3589 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited April 9, 2019

    @KelyNeli.4516 said:
    If you have no idea for new names i could give you few:
    xXKnightofDeathXx
    69DarkVader69
    420noscoperboi420
    IHaveAutismBePatient
    FortnitePlayer2010
    XxXTentacleXxX
    LordOfTheGrandmaGarden
    666NWordPass999

    None of these will work as posted
    1) no numbers allowed so your 420noscoperboi420 would be Noscoperboi
    2) only capital letters at start of a word/after a space. Example. Your XxXTentacleXxX would either be Xxxtentaclexxx or Xxx Tentacle Xxx

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  • @KelyNeli.4516 said:
    The solution to it is simpler than you would ever think.
    Just give your character a real life name and surname divided with a space. Simple

    Actually, not always the easiest thing.
    My character recently got married, and when I went to change her name, I discovered that her new name had already been taken. And it wasn't a common name, either. Her first name is common enough, sure. But her last name is a long one that has multiple origins and spellings. I ended up using an accent (only needed one) and that worked, but... I was frustrated for weeks because her name doesn't match that of her husband. I'm still a little frustrated, actually.
    I do agree , it is much less common to have names like this already taken, but it's not a guarantee.

  • Danikat.8537Danikat.8537 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited April 9, 2019

    Æthelred The Ready was available too, but it's not any more. I'm keeping this one, at least for a little while.

    I'm genuinely surprised it was available, I thought it was an obvious twist on one of the most amusingly titled king of England.

    Edit: Ok, so Aethelred The Ready was taken, I copied the name from Wikipedia because I'm never sure of the spelling and didn't realise the AE is a special character. That's alright then, normality has resumed.

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  • Bloodstealer.5978Bloodstealer.5978 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Lunia.2736 said:

    @Ashen.2907 said:

    @Lunia.2736 said:

    @MikeG.6389 said:

    Firstly, who are you to judge why a certain name is not available to you?

    What...? Why would it be me judging? It'd be an automated system determining completely dormant accounts based on not having logged in for over 7 years etc.

    I wouldn't be touching anyone's account. It would merely be Anet recycling completely dead names from 2012/2013 that are on inactive accounts.

    @Ashen.2907 said:
    "someone else has something that I want. Please take it away from them and give it to me."

    This comment is way underrated.

    It's underrated because it's missing the point entirely.

    Not missing the point at all. Person A has something that person B wants and so person B is asking that the something be taken away so that he can have it. Period.

    Imagine you got a new office job.

    You work there for 6 years in your mediocre office space (metaphor: "bad" name in gw2) and wonder why you could never get the amazing office space (metaphor: "good" name in gw2) next to you which has been empty for 7 years.

    So you go to your boss and ask your boss if you could move into that office, since you've been actively with the company for 6 years now. The boss tells you that office belongs to Bob. You ask: "Huh, who's Bob?" Oh, he was a new employee (metaphor: low level, low value account) who quit his job on his first day 7 years ago, we keep his office space reserved for him on the off-chance he gets back.

    Would it be too much to ask for Bob's office space to be reassigned to you after 7 years and Bob having to be the one who gets the mediocre office space if he does somehow happen to come back on year 8? I personally don't think so.

    Bad and good name has been put in quotations since that's very subjective.
    But think of wanting to name your character "Ash" or "Ashen" instead of "Ashén The Burnt" as an example.

    People posting here need to realize they won't lose their name if this is implemented properly! If so it would only affect the dormant accounts from around launch that carry little to no actual worth. It's not like their character will get deleted either, they will simply have to choose a new name.

    Now I hear the argument that if they came back to the game they'd be put off the game because they'd have to choose a new name, but you also need to think about the amount of people who are put off the game because they can't get any of the names they are interested in to begin with.

    Except your metaphor or perhaps you mean analogy is hugely flawed.. do you know of any such business that would actually do what your using as anything remotely close to character name releases.. sorry, bad metaphor/analogy is just bad and completely off the mark.
    Every account carries worth.. especially those created at launch because the game was purchased not some F2P fleeting moment.. PURCHASED
    Therefore that account holder has every right to come back and play at whatever time they choose, or not. The fact is they have the potential to come back and desire to have their toons remain within the themes/ideas they initially had for them.
    If you want Ash or Ashen then get creative and make it look as close to it as you can possibly get or maybe think outside the box and perhaps try something close in theme and meaning.. KINDLED, BLACKASH, CARBON BLACK, ASH to ASHES... POTASH... you get the drift!
    It just takes a bit of lateral thinking and some creative juice.

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