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@Shadowmoon.7986 said:Honestly just learn2raid. You dont even need to get gud, you can get 4 li a week from the brain dead encounters, escort, mo, spirit run and twisted castle. The power creep has been so bad that the hot encounters trivial.If fractals need another reward, add a ring or accessory, hell id love a legendary aqua breather before the 4th legendary armor option. Can we please finish all the slots first before we start doubling up.

I'm working on my 3rd Legendary Armor from raids (with a 4th and 5th getting close to being done from PvP and WvW), so I'm not sure what that has to do with being in favour of a Fractal Armor set, or what such a reward could do for that game mode.

Raid armor is by far the easiest and quickest armor you can get and I don't see the possibility of a Fractal armor at all as an easier or quicker alternative to that.It could require a lot of CM completions (and encourage more development of Fractal CM's) and be therefore easily on par with the Raid requirement, while revitalizing the Fractal CM scene and provide a repeatable worthwhile reward for long time Fractal players.

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@Ayrilana.1396 said:Why not just grind out WvW or sPvP then?

Why not support my idea and let me get convenient item from the mod I like doing?Because Ayrilana is a Status Quo supporter. There's currently no legendary fractal armor, so there should be no legendary fractal armor in the future. As soon as it is added however, it will become something to be defended.

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@Ayrilana.1396 said:I’m in favor of the skins being added but not as part of a new easy legendary armor set.

Who said "easy"?

Anything in Fractals or open world would be easy.

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@Ayrilana.1396 said:I’m in favor of the skins being added but not as part of a new easy legendary armor set.

Legendary back items from fractals is the most grindy and expensive back there is, no one is talking of 'easy'

It’s easy because the game mode wouldn’t offer the ability to challenge players.

Although, now that I’m thinking about it more, fractals do have CM’s and I suppose that that could work.

It can't be easier then slaking in wvw or afking in pvp

Those were only added only because players complained long enough about how unfair that it was that PvE got legendary armor. I could understand it being added to WvW but what does an sPvP need with it? WvW offer little opportunity to test skill, compared to PvE, so of course it’s end up being basically a grind/time sink.

What on earth legendary armor that is convenient item does with skill test. In any other game my top tier gear, weapon had something to offer and I had to go and test my skills, get that BiS and have my games pride cherished.What is legendary anything offers here beyond convenience? Nothing that is all.

Unique skin if added to fractals.

I'll take them faceless as well.

Why not just grind out WvW or sPvP then?

Why not support my idea and let me get convenient item from the mod I like doing?

Should we add a set for the jump puzzle enthusiasts aswell since people like doing that?

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I'm not convinced by the arguments presented that the game needs more sources of legendary armor. It's an incentive for raids, for WvW, and for PvP. There are already plenty of incentives to PvE or Fractal. Plus, I think games are more interesting when there are some substantive rewards exclusive to each type of content.

I'm not against the idea. (In fact, I'd probably pursue it instead of Fractal God.) I just don't think "because I want to swap stats and I don't want to raid or WvW" is enough to convince ANet it's worth the time or effort to figure out how to implement it.

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@Ayrilana.1396 said:I’m in favor of the skins being added but not as part of a new easy legendary armor set.

Who said "easy"?

Anything in Fractals or open world would be easy.

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@Ayrilana.1396 said:I’m in favor of the skins being added but not as part of a new easy legendary armor set.

Legendary back items from fractals is the most grindy and expensive back there is, no one is talking of 'easy'

It’s easy because the game mode wouldn’t offer the ability to challenge players.

Although, now that I’m thinking about it more, fractals do have CM’s and I suppose that that could work.

It can't be easier then slaking in wvw or afking in pvp

Those were only added only because players complained long enough about how unfair that it was that PvE got legendary armor. I could understand it being added to WvW but what does an sPvP need with it? WvW offer little opportunity to test skill, compared to PvE, so of course it’s end up being basically a grind/time sink.

What on earth legendary armor that is convenient item does with skill test. In any other game my top tier gear, weapon had something to offer and I had to go and test my skills, get that BiS and have my games pride cherished.What is legendary anything offers here beyond convenience? Nothing that is all.

Unique skin if added to fractals.

I'll take them faceless as well.

Why not just grind out WvW or sPvP then?

Why not support my idea and let me get convenient item from the mod I like doing?

Should we add a set for the jump puzzle enthusiasts aswell since people like doing that?

If they need to change stats on gear for JPs, why not.

Yeah I don't want to raid, raids in this game suxxx big time. I raid in game specialized on raids.What Anet does well is open world and fractals. That is what I do here. I'm lv 126 in PvP had 5 seasons of play. Nope. I'm pvping in game specialized for PvP now.WvW? That is even more sad story then raids and pvp together.

What I'm asking is to give us a way to get convenient item from the mod where those could and would be used more intense then wvw/pvp and raids together.

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@Ayrilana.1396 said:Why not just grind out WvW or sPvP then?

Why not support my idea and let me get convenient item from the mod I like doing?Because Ayrilana is a Status Quo supporter. There's currently no legendary fractal armor, so there should be no legendary fractal armor in the future. As soon as it is added however, it will become something to be defended.

No. Rely less on hyperboles and personal attacks please.

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@Cyninja.2954 said:I've always been in favor of another legendary set for pve outside of raids. I think I've also mentioned some things which I believe would need to be present such as:

Higher cost versus other game modes and raidsNo, this isn't me being a raid elitist. This is me realizing that legendary armor is a fraction of the cost of ANY other legendary gear. PvE being the main game mode for many people, legendary armor would need some kind of price increase or the incentives for other game modes would be gone.To cheap legendary armor would remove significance of ascended gearTies in to the above, ascended weapons and armor gear costs approximately the same at around 50 gold per piece. Legendary weapons are significantly more expensive (at 1k gold per minimum) versus legendary armor (at around 300 gold per piece). This is partly offset by the time gate.Time gateUnfortunately this would also need to be present. Might be offset by a very high gold price.Armor is more useful than weaponsLegendary armor is more useful than legendary weapons. Armor works for all builds, same as trinkets. Weapons only work for specific builds and are usually role locked too.Maybe Fractals or Living StoryBoth would work, I would prefer fractals to encourage this game aspect, but Maybe a Season 5 special could encourage a lot of players to engage more in living world content.

Now going by how legendary weapons cost around 20 times what ascended weapons costs, we are looking at around 6k gold for an entire armor set. Given how armor is more useful than weapons (and by the price of legendary trinkets being even above weapons). I'd imagine 8-10k gold as target cost. Probably more towards the high end.

I definitely agree with this, the general idea that legendary armor outside of raids, if we were to get a new set, should be much harder in terms of time commitment, currency cost, and content played, since each bit of content will be easier.

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The real problem (for most people that see a problem in it) is not how easy or hard it would be getting the fractal legendary armor. It's, as always, that they want to keep the exclusivity.

I don't believe it should be put behind a lot of CM completions, because CM and raids are common target of the same kind of players, and have the same level of difficulty, so it would add nothing new: the same players that are raiding and collecting legendary armor sets would have a second way to keep doing the same, while the majority of players that run average fractals day after day would be unable to participate.

But hard and long term goal? yes, indeed. Besides, they could be a (much needed) sink for rare drops like gold fractal relics, dark matter, etc.

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I support the idea that we should have fractal legendary armor and I don't understand why it's not a thing already. What I don't agree with is that it should be more expensive in terms of materials (why the hell is that even discussed), but there should be more gameplay content required for obtaining it. I don't even mind hiding it behind CMs as these are already required for the backpack (except 99 and 100 so these could be also included). I wouldn't say doing fractals is that much easier and it's definitely not cheaper, though I do know raids are more difficult.

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@BatelGeuce.3591 said:I support the idea that we should have fractal legendary armor and I don't understand why it's not a thing already. What I don't agree with is that it should be more expensive in terms of materials (why the hell is that even discussed)

Simple, all legendary gear which can be acquire without any commitment to content or with huge amounts of gold is vastly more expensive.

When legendary armor was initially introduced it was meant as a raid only reward. The price was adjusted accordingly as to reflect the commitment people had to make to beating challenging content. Another assumption which was likely part of that decision was the limited amount of players who would actually be able to acquire this. I disagreed with the low cost then and I'm quite certain with knowledge of 3 years in, the developers would have made the armor more expensive but now we are stuck with this price.

Then legendary armor was introduced to spvp and wvw, leaving only the skin exclusive to raids. The price was kept similar to raid armor (imagine the outrage if it didn't) but the idea of limited availability remained the same. Even now people want PvE legendary armor when both spvp and wvw require NO SKILL at all, simply time. It stands to reason that a vast majority of PvE players will not engage in spvp and wvw at any cost.

Without commitment to difficult content with at the same time a wider availability, it stands to reason that the price for legendary armor needs to be adjusted to fit other legendary gear which is available in the same manner. Legendary weapons, and especially legendary trinkets which are more similar to armor with their usefulness, are both vastly more expensive. I've made note of that in this thread. To assume that a general PvE legendary set will get introduced which remains as cost efficient as any of the current existing sets is unrealistic. It would directly invalidate ascended gear.

@BatelGeuce.3591 said:but there should be more gameplay content required for obtaining it. I don't even mind hiding it behind CMs as these are already required for the backpack (except 99 and 100 so these could be also included). I wouldn't say doing fractals is that much easier and it's definitely not cheaper, though I do know raids are more difficult.

Fractal 99 and 100 CM are on a way different level and actually beat some raid content as far as difficulty goes. I don't count those "challenge motes" in sub tier 4 as in any way fractal challenge modes. That's hilarious. Those are minor inconveniences at best. Do a 99 CM or 100 CM and you'd understand. The fractal backpiece is merely time consuming and in no way challenging.

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Fractal 99 and 100 CM are on a way different level and actually beat some raid content as far as difficulty goes. I don't count those "challenge motes" in sub tier 4 as in any way fractal challenge modes. That's hilarious. Those are minor inconveniences at best.

I might have said it wrong. CM's are the way to go with this, not material cost increase. They can make fractals more challenging by adding CMs to other scales, not just 99 and 100. Thought I wouldn't mind if you had to actually craft the precursors and not just get the full set for a collection.

Do a 99 CM or 100 CM and you'd understand. The fractal backpiece is merely time consuming and in no way challenging.

I do both 99 and 100 CM, also the backpack was not that time consuming (though now they say it takes time to get a group to do the CMs required for it).

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no to fractal legendary armoryes to fractal armor skins both normal and gold

there are allready 3 ways of gaining legendary armor, pve is covered by raids. don't need a fractal version aswell

legendary should be "rare" not everyone and their mother having a full set and 8 weapons, they complelty lose their feeling that way

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@"melandru.3876" said:no to fractal legendary armoryes to fractal armor skins both normal and gold

there are allready 3 ways of gaining legendary armor, pve is covered by raids. don't need a fractal version aswell

legendary should be "rare" not everyone and their mother having a full set and 8 weapons, they complelty lose their feeling that way

PVE isn't covered by raids, not a big fun of silver and gold 2005 design.Rare? Why convenient item should be rare? Give me one good reason

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@"melandru.3876" said:no to fractal legendary armoryes to fractal armor skins both normal and gold

there are allready 3 ways of gaining legendary armor, pve is covered by raids. don't need a fractal version aswell

legendary should be "rare" not everyone and their mother having a full set and 8 weapons, they complelty lose their feeling that way

PVE isn't covered by raids, not a big fun of silver and gold 2005 design.Rare? Why convenient item should be rare? Give me one good reason

Raids are as much PvE as fractals.

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@"melandru.3876" said:no to fractal legendary armoryes to fractal armor skins both normal and gold

there are allready 3 ways of gaining legendary armor, pve is covered by raids. don't need a fractal version aswell

legendary should be "rare" not everyone and their mother having a full set and 8 weapons, they complelty lose their feeling that way

PVE isn't covered by raids, not a big fun of silver and gold 2005 design.Rare? Why convenient item should be rare? Give me one good reason

if everyone and their dog has legendary, then they are just ascended sets with shiny effects don't you think?it's a privilige to stat swap and swap runes at any given time. that privilige should be earned through effort, and dedication

not because some people just want to have it aswell

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@Ayrilana.1396 said:I’m in favor of the skins being added but not as part of a new easy legendary armor set.

Who said "easy"?

Anything in Fractals or open world would be easy.

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@Ayrilana.1396 said:I’m in favor of the skins being added but not as part of a new easy legendary armor set.

Legendary back items from fractals is the most grindy and expensive back there is, no one is talking of 'easy'

It’s easy because the game mode wouldn’t offer the ability to challenge players.

Although, now that I’m thinking about it more, fractals do have CM’s and I suppose that that could work.

It can't be easier then slaking in wvw or afking in pvp

Those were only added only because players complained long enough about how unfair that it was that PvE got legendary armor. I could understand it being added to WvW but what does an sPvP need with it? WvW offer little opportunity to test skill, compared to PvE, so of course it’s end up being basically a grind/time sink.

What on earth legendary armor that is convenient item does with skill test. In any other game my top tier gear, weapon had something to offer and I had to go and test my skills, get that BiS and have my games pride cherished.What is legendary anything offers here beyond convenience? Nothing that is all.

Unique skin if added to fractals.

I'll take them faceless as well.

Why not just grind out WvW or sPvP then?

Why not support my idea and let me get convenient item from the mod I like doing?

Should we add a set for the jump puzzle enthusiasts aswell since people like doing that?

If they need to change stats on gear for JPs, why not.

Yeah I don't want to raid, raids in this game suxxx big time. I raid in game specialized on raids.What Anet does well is open world and fractals. That is what I do here. I'm lv 126 in PvP had 5 seasons of play. Nope. I'm pvping in game specialized for PvP now.WvW? That is even more sad story then raids and pvp together.

What I'm asking is to give us a way to get convenient item from the mod where those could and would be used more intense then wvw/pvp and raids together.

^ if you are not willing to take part in any of the 3 valid methods to get gear, then you should not have it.

i only gather resources on 27 different characters, i deseve legendary gear to be dropped through iron and wood harvesting nodes

edit: nvm you are that dude from the slippery slope and birds thread, yea...you even fail at that content to adapt and improve, i doubt fractal legendary gear would be suited for you aswell

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@melandru.3876 said:there are allready 3 ways of gaining legendary armor, pve is covered by raids. don't need a fractal version aswellPVE isn't covered by raids, because that completely ignores the non-raiders that make up the overwhelming majority of the PVE playerbase.

There is literally no reason you can't craft legendary armor the same way you make the weapons, beyond Anet using it to bait people into a game mode they knew would fail otherwise.

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@"melandru.3876" said:there are allready 3 ways of gaining legendary armor, pve is covered by raids. don't need a fractal version aswellPVE isn't covered by raids, because that completely ignores the non-raiders that make up the overwhelming majority of the PVE playerbase.

There is
literally
no reason you can't craft legendary armor the same way you make the weapons, beyond Anet using it to bait people into a game mode they
knew
would fail otherwise.

"overwhelminng majority of the pve playerbase" i love when people bring that upthe "majority" as you like to call it, does neither raids nor fractals because they are to casual for it

the majority has spoken, no legendarty gear for anyone

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@melandru.3876 said:there are allready 3 ways of gaining legendary armor, pve is covered by raids. don't need a fractal version aswellPVE isn't covered by
fractals
, because that completely ignores the non-
fractal runners
that make up the overwhelming majority of the PVE playerbase.

There is
literally
no reason you can't craft legendary armor the same way you make the weapons, beyond Anet using it to bait people into a game mode they
knew
would fail otherwise.

Fixed

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@melandru.3876 said:no to fractal legendary armoryes to fractal armor skins both normal and gold

there are allready 3 ways of gaining legendary armor, pve is covered by raids. don't need a fractal version aswell

legendary should be "rare" not everyone and their mother having a full set and 8 weapons, they complelty lose their feeling that way

PVE isn't covered by raids, not a big fun of silver and gold 2005 design.Rare? Why convenient item should be rare? Give me one good reason

if everyone and their dog has legendary, then they are just ascended sets with shiny effects don't you think?it's a privilige to stat swap and swap runes at any given time. that privilige should be earned through effort, and dedication

not because some people just want to have it aswell

WvW and PvP sets beg to differ, go slak in wvw or afk in pvp and get it done.There is only one set in game has rights to be legendary by your opinion, it's shiny wvw legendary that one can get having lv 2000 in wvw.Again I have played 5 season in spvp have enough ascended shards and league tickets to make 1,5 set.I'm refreshing this topic with request, to have option to make Fractal Legendary Armor.

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@melandru.3876 said:no to fractal legendary armoryes to fractal armor skins both normal and gold

there are allready 3 ways of gaining legendary armor, pve is covered by raids. don't need a fractal version aswell

legendary should be "rare" not everyone and their mother having a full set and 8 weapons, they complelty lose their feeling that way

PVE isn't covered by raids, not a big fun of silver and gold 2005 design.Rare? Why convenient item should be rare? Give me one good reason

if everyone and their dog has legendary, then they are just ascended sets with shiny effects don't you think?it's a privilige to stat swap and swap runes at any given time. that privilige should be earned through effort, and dedication

not because some people just want to have it aswell

WvW and PvP sets beg to differ, go slak in wvw or afk in pvp and get it done.There is only one set in game has rights to be legendary by your opinion, it's shiny wvw legendary that one can get having lv 2000 in wvw.

and raids, the true end-game of pveraids, the actual gamemode where stats matter more then wherever, and you'll sqap classes/builds on bosses as needed

but because you don't care about raids, you try another waysay, what about dungeon legendary armor?

of what for those people who finnish story on every character, they should get story-legendary armor.

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@melandru.3876 said:no to fractal legendary armoryes to fractal armor skins both normal and gold

there are allready 3 ways of gaining legendary armor, pve is covered by raids. don't need a fractal version aswell

legendary should be "rare" not everyone and their mother having a full set and 8 weapons, they complelty lose their feeling that way

PVE isn't covered by raids, not a big fun of silver and gold 2005 design.Rare? Why convenient item should be rare? Give me one good reason

if everyone and their dog has legendary, then they are just ascended sets with shiny effects don't you think?it's a privilige to stat swap and swap runes at any given time. that privilige should be earned through effort, and dedication

not because some people just want to have it aswell

WvW and PvP sets beg to differ, go slak in wvw or afk in pvp and get it done.There is only one set in game has rights to be legendary by your opinion, it's shiny wvw legendary that one can get having lv 2000 in wvw.

and raids, the true end-game of pveraids, the actual gamemode where stats matter more then wherever, and you'll sqap classes/builds on bosses as needed

but because you don't care about raids, you try another waysay, what about dungeon legendary armor?

of what for those people who finnish story on every character, they should get story-legendary armor.

No, not raids, Raids armor can be bough thus making it on one line with afk pvp and slacking wvw armor.

slow claps on you attempts to joke.

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@melandru.3876 said:no to fractal legendary armoryes to fractal armor skins both normal and gold

there are allready 3 ways of gaining legendary armor, pve is covered by raids. don't need a fractal version aswell

legendary should be "rare" not everyone and their mother having a full set and 8 weapons, they complelty lose their feeling that way

PVE isn't covered by raids, not a big fun of silver and gold 2005 design.Rare? Why convenient item should be rare? Give me one good reason

if everyone and their dog has legendary, then they are just ascended sets with shiny effects don't you think?it's a privilige to stat swap and swap runes at any given time. that privilige should be earned through effort, and dedication

not because some people just want to have it aswell

WvW and PvP sets beg to differ, go slak in wvw or afk in pvp and get it done.There is only one set in game has rights to be legendary by your opinion, it's shiny wvw legendary that one can get having lv 2000 in wvw.

and raids, the true end-game of pveraids, the actual gamemode where stats matter more then wherever, and you'll sqap classes/builds on bosses as needed

but because you don't care about raids, you try another waysay, what about dungeon legendary armor?

of what for those people who finnish story on every character, they should get story-legendary armor.

No, not raids, Raids armor can be bough thus making it on one line with afk pvp and slacking wvw armor

then go slack wvw for 25 weeks and be done with it.remember the time i said "effort and dedication", well we have comeback to this point

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@melandru.3876 said:no to fractal legendary armoryes to fractal armor skins both normal and gold

there are allready 3 ways of gaining legendary armor, pve is covered by raids. don't need a fractal version aswell

legendary should be "rare" not everyone and their mother having a full set and 8 weapons, they complelty lose their feeling that way

PVE isn't covered by raids, not a big fun of silver and gold 2005 design.Rare? Why convenient item should be rare? Give me one good reason

if everyone and their dog has legendary, then they are just ascended sets with shiny effects don't you think?it's a privilige to stat swap and swap runes at any given time. that privilige should be earned through effort, and dedication

not because some people just want to have it aswell

WvW and PvP sets beg to differ, go slak in wvw or afk in pvp and get it done.There is only one set in game has rights to be legendary by your opinion, it's shiny wvw legendary that one can get having lv 2000 in wvw.

and raids, the true end-game of pveraids, the actual gamemode where stats matter more then wherever, and you'll sqap classes/builds on bosses as needed

but because you don't care about raids, you try another waysay, what about dungeon legendary armor?

of what for those people who finnish story on every character, they should get story-legendary armor.

No, not raids, Raids armor can be bough thus making it on one line with afk pvp and slacking wvw armor

then go slack wvw for 25 weeks and be done with it.remember the time i said "effort and dedication", well we have comeback to this point

Stop telling me what to do and in return I won't tell you where you suppose to go.I remember times when top tier was BiS. And convenient items weren't locked on dead failed mods

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@Ayrilana.1396 said:Raids are as much PvE as fractals.True, which is why a truly PvE set should stick to core PvE content, not be limited to one type of an instanced one.

@phs.6089 said:There is only one set in game has rights to be legendary by your opinion, it's shiny wvw legendary that one can get having lv 2000 in wvw.Actually, full hellfire/radiant set is more legendary than that.

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