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So after testing with dread:I reached between 35-37k DPSBut as it's not a viable build choice...Forget about that.

I tried different builds again. Gonna test again today or tomorrow (well today is reset day^^)

But I was consistently getting 28-30k DPS with souleater trait and the full zerker variant.(Most of the times the lower values, but my rotations haven't been perfect)

Gonna play around with some more precision in my next test.

The only thing I did test was opening burst.

So before the patch the opening burst was something like:Wh5, well of suffering,gs4,gs5,haunt,RS4.

With an assassin's gs I found myself using this opening much better:Gs5,gs4,well of suffering,axe2, haunt, RS4.That let me do up to 37k opening burst (maybe for real raid scenario this would be lower because target might not have instant 25 vuln or you having instant quickness)

Also I'm currently testing something new in the rotation below 50%But that's a pretty though thing as it will leave you without of left after 3 times shroud. Gonna keep you updated and maybe do a video about it.

Oh and btw. Below 50% dmg spikes of the rotation do 42-47k DPS (RS4).

The real problem that I noticed that reaper has: it has nice burst dmg spikes, but out of shroud, using gs autoattacks the dmg drops significantly.While you are forced to do gs autos you will be doing around 20k DPS, just from autoattacking (which is insanely good in my opinion) but necro doesn't have the possibility to do anything beside the auto attack.

So necros dmg graph is like low DPS,high DPS, low DPS, high DPS,... And so on.What other classes do much better here is not loosing so much DPS out of their burst phases.

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Tested Power Reaper in W1-3 yesterday (excluding Matt obv.), and did around 26k DPS on average (full Zerker with Accuracy Sigil, no animation cancelling and some room for improvement in terms of rotation), which is alright for an actual Raid scenario I suppose.It's definitely a fairly viable DPS to run now, unless you want to be at peak performance.

One thing that did bother me though was the Minions dying fairly frequently, as well as being deleted and put on CD by things like taking Slublings at Sloth.While LF management was generally alright, I have to say I didn't feel at all more durable than on a DH or even a DD, but that might have been in part me being more focused on the rotation and getting hit more than usually.

All in all a slightly below average power dps with great cleave that should be welcome in any group not going for any sort of speed clearing.

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@Nimon.7840 said:So necros dmg graph is like low DPS,high DPS, low DPS, high DPS,... And so on.What other classes do much better here is not loosing so much DPS out of their burst phases.

Cheer up, they made berserker work the same way for close to the same dps reward (only difference is that you have more support as berserker but less survivability), reaper is not alone. Maybe, just maybe all professions may end up like that.

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@Asum.4960 said:Tested Power Reaper in W1-3 yesterday (excluding Matt obv.), and did around 26k DPS on average (full Zerker with Accuracy Sigil, no animation cancelling and some room for improvement in terms of rotation), which is alright for an actual Raid scenario I suppose.It's definitely a fairly viable DPS to run now, unless you want to be at peak performance.

One thing that did bother me though was the Minions dying fairly frequently, as well as being deleted and put on CD by things like taking Slublings at Sloth.While LF management was generally alright, I have to say I didn't feel at all more durable than on a DH or even a DD, but that might have been in part me being more focused on the rotation and getting hit more than usually.

All in all a slightly below average power dps with great cleave that should be welcome in any group not going for any sort of speed clearing.

There might be some very interesting things to test.

What gear exactly did u play? Full zerker with accuracy sigil on both weapon sets?Or just on GS?Also what was your second sigil?Force?What infusions did you use?

Did you always have a druid or a spotter-player in your group?

What might be interesting: is impact sigil better than force on bosses like KC and gorse?And on other bosses use force sigil instead?

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@Nimon.7840 said:

@Asum.4960 said:Tested Power Reaper in W1-3 yesterday (excluding Matt obv.), and did around 26k DPS on average (full Zerker with Accuracy Sigil, no animation cancelling and some room for improvement in terms of rotation), which is alright for an actual Raid scenario I suppose.It's definitely a fairly viable DPS to run now, unless you want to be at peak performance.

One thing that did bother me though was the Minions dying fairly frequently, as well as being deleted and put on CD by things like taking Slublings at Sloth.While LF management was generally alright, I have to say I didn't feel at all more durable than on a DH or even a DD, but that might have been in part me being more focused on the rotation and getting hit more than usually.

All in all a slightly below average power dps with great cleave that should be welcome in any group not going for any sort of speed clearing.

There might be some very interesting things to test.

What gear exactly did u play? Full zerker with accuracy sigil on both weapon sets?Or just on GS?Also what was your second sigil?Force?What infusions did you use?

Did you always have a druid or a spotter-player in your group?

What might be interesting: is impact sigil better than force on bosses like KC and gorse?And on other bosses use force sigil instead?

I didn't tryhard/maximise it, mostly just wanted to see it's practical application, in terms of minions, LF management, chill uptime and such, since I never took Reaper into a Raid before.Full Zerker, Force and Accuracy just on GS.No stat infusions, didn't always have spotter.

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@"Sublimatio.6981" said:
so here's my take on reaper dps

This is awesome :)

I see AP in there so the damage is higher by 10% crit damage than it should be. Regardless that is probably still higher than the SC bench so GJ.

EDIT: Actually now I think about it, 10% crit damage is roughly 4-5% from what I recall. 32.5k is 104.1% of 31.2k so the new bench is probably about the same. Honest mistake though so no foul but somebody would have to do the math.

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I see AP in there so the damage is higher by 10% crit damage than it should be.

ap is meta, druid is not. the benchmark is AS it should be

That doesn't matter, the entire point of having some sort of standard is so everybody is displaying result based on the same conditions. I am guessing you are probably benching based on fractal where druid is not played, instead you sub in a soulbeast at higher level of optimization but that's not really the point here. It is to have everybody dpsing under the same set of conditions.

If you want to bench with the standard you set, then the result needs to be compared with the ones that follow the same set of rules. At the very least please have some sort of explanation because you and I know what's going on; the people on the forum really doesn't and they are one going to shout Reapers benching 32.5k is beating soulbeast and holo OMG and that's how we get nerfed. I don't mean to discredit you, I just want the information to be right so anet doesn't nerf us randomly due to wrongly compared information.

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@"Warscythes.9307" said:That doesn't matter, the entire point of having some sort of standard is so everybody is displaying result based on the same conditions. I am guessing you are probably benching based on fractal where druid is not played, instead you sub in a soulbeast at higher level of optimization but that's not really the point here. It is to have everybody dpsing under the same set of conditions.The standard is changing with the meta. Druid has fallen out of the meta, and Renegade replaced it. That's why in the past you also used to take engi condi dmg buff but now you don't. Thats why in the past you didn't take AP but now you do. There is no official, delegated by community golem area testing commitee. Everyone is (should be) using what is reasonable at this moment.

If you want to bench with the standard you set, then the result needs to be compared with the ones that follow the same set of rules.Okay, but when you "did math" to compare my vid to Majestic Noodle's vid - you didn't account for the fact that they used spotter and I didn't. Makes your calculation inaccurate. Also my rotation is a bit different so there's no comparison between the two.

At the very least please have some sort of explanation because you and I know what's going on; the people on the forum really doesn't and they are one going to shout Reapers benching 32.5k is beating soulbeast and holo OMG and that's how we get nerfed. I don't mean to discredit you, I just want the information to be right so anet doesn't nerf us randomly due to wrongly compared information.What do I have to explain? Until someone improves my number, reapers are benching 32.5k dps under actual optimal scenarios - which is having a renegade and soulbeast in your party. And the current optimal composition is what dictates the buffs you take - for example, nobody takes vampiric presence for benchmarks - since it's not the standard (and standard being dictated by current meta, im kinda repeating myself now).

Edit: Also if you really want "expanation", it is in the video description what this benchmark assumes. I wrote it specifically for ppl like you, though normally it should be a given that I use the updated buff set.

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@"Warscythes.9307" said:That doesn't matter, the entire point of having some sort of standard is so everybody is displaying result based on the same conditions. I am guessing you are probably benching based on fractal where druid is not played, instead you sub in a soulbeast at higher level of optimization but that's not really the point here. It is to have everybody dpsing under the same set of conditions.The standard is changing with the meta. Druid has fallen out of the meta, and Renegade replaced it. That's why in the past you also used to take engi condi dmg buff but now you don't. Thats why in the past you didn't take AP but now you do. There is no official, delegated by community golem area testing commitee. Everyone is
(should be)
using what is reasonable at this moment.

If you want to bench with the standard you set, then the result needs to be compared with the ones that follow the same set of rules.Okay, but when you "did math" to compare my vid to Majestic Noodle's vid - you didn't account for the fact that they used spotter and I didn't. Makes your calculation inaccurate. Also my rotation is a bit different so there's no comparison between the two.

At the very least please have some sort of explanation because you and I know what's going on; the people on the forum really doesn't and they are one going to shout Reapers benching 32.5k is beating soulbeast and holo OMG and that's how we get nerfed. I don't mean to discredit you, I just want the information to be right so anet doesn't nerf us randomly due to wrongly compared information.What do I have to explain? Until someone improves my number, reapers are benching 32.5k dps under actual optimal scenarios - which is having a renegade and soulbeast in your party. And the current optimal composition is what dictates the buffs you take - for example, nobody takes vampiric presence for benchmarks - since it's not the standard (and standard being dictated by current meta, im kinda repeating myself now).

Edit: Also if you really want "expanation", it is in the video description what this benchmark assumes. I wrote it specifically for ppl like you, though normally it should be a given that I use the updated buff set.

Yes you are correct that there is no official community golem benchmark standard. Yes the condition changes. However the fact is when everybody is benching with one standard and you are benching with your own; the result means nothing in comparison. Because right now your result of 32.5k cannot be used as a comparison to all the other benchmarks until is converted. Either all the other people need to conform to you, or you need to conform to them. Either go and convince SC and that they need to do all their benchmarks with your standard or I guess somebody can math out what your result will be under SC's conditions. Result under two completely different conditions cannot be measured against each other.

Yes I missed spotter and probably sun spirit, but again that really doesn't matter because the underlying purpose of benchmark is for everybody to bench under the same result. It doesn't matter what the conditions has to be, it can be with AP or without spotter or with EA or without frost spirit, it just all needs to be done under the same conditions. The rotation is what people can take away from the video definitely.

The explanation is for the people who do not understand how raid testing works. For example the OP of this thread who posted the 31.8k benchmark. It is not their fault as raid testing is fairly different. Look at how people gets confused and it would help people understand what the numbers mean.

I just want to make sure you understand this. Reaper is benching 32.5k under your scenarios. I completely agree, in fact that is probably better than noodle's benchmark but I have no idea until is done under the same environment or somebody math it out. That number cannot be used in comparison to others as it is the only one number that exist in the system. You would need others to bench other classes under the same rules or all 32.5k means is that is a number. That's all that there is to it.

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Yes you are correct that there is no official community golem benchmark standard.Either go and convince SC and that they need to do all their benchmarks with your standard or I guess somebody can math out what your result will be under SC's conditions.So is there a delegated commitee or...? SC is a guild of content creators, they don't dictate. Whatever they showcase is their own strategies/builds, and they don't necessarily update their website as much.Yes the condition changes. However the fact is when everybody is benching with one standard and you are benching with your own; the result means nothing in comparison. Because right now your result of 32.5k cannot be used as a comparison to all the other benchmarks until is converted. Either all the other people need to conform to you, or you need to conform to them.Why do you keep making this about me? It's not "my standard", I'm not some authority that everyone should convert to. Current buff set is not personal. It bothers me that you think so.Result under two completely different conditions cannot be measured against each other.Yes, it cannot, but for some reason you decided to attack my video which uses a buff set appropriate for current game build and try to downgrade it to the previous buff set. If people are still using spotter in their benchmarks, that should raise questions, not assassin's presence.Yes I missed spotter and probably sun spirit, but again that really doesn't matter because the underlying purpose of benchmark is for everybody to bench under the same result. It doesn't matter what the conditions has to be, it can be with AP or without spotter or with EA or without frost spirit, it just all needs to be done under the same conditions. The rotation is what people can take away from the video definitely.I'm getting a distinct feeling that if I was a member of [sC} and posted it as such, you would have 0 problem with this.The explanation is for the people who do not understand how raid testing works. For example the OP of this thread who posted the 31.8k benchmark. It is not their fault as raid testing is fairly different. Look at how people gets confused and it would help people understand what the numbers mean.

I just want to make sure you understand this. Reaper is benching 32.5k under your scenarios.Again, it's not my scenario. Whole playerbase is adjusting since few balance patches to run firebrand+renegade. Also since you are a follower and believe SC word is holy truth, you can read more here and leave me be: https://old.reddit.com/r/Guildwars2/comments/bfbi3a/raids_every_balance_patch_that_actually_attempts/elcixbq/

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@"Warscythes.9307" said:

Yes you are correct that there is no official community golem benchmark standard.Either go and convince SC and that they need to do all their benchmarks with your standard or I guess somebody can math out what your result will be under SC's conditions.So is there a delegated commitee or...? SC is a guild of content creators, they don't dictate. Whatever they showcase is their own strategies/builds, and they don't necessarily update their website as much.Yes the condition changes. However the fact is when everybody is benching with one standard and you are benching with your own; the result means nothing in comparison. Because right now your result of 32.5k cannot be used as a comparison to all the other benchmarks until is converted. Either all the other people need to conform to you, or you need to conform to them.Why do you keep making this about me? It's not "my standard", I'm not some authority that everyone should convert to. Current buff set is not personal. It bothers me that you think so.Result under two completely different conditions cannot be measured against each other.Yes, it cannot, but for some reason you decided to attack my video which uses a buff set appropriate for current game build and try to downgrade it to the previous buff set. If people are still using spotter in their benchmarks, that should raise questions, not assassin's presence.Yes I missed spotter and probably sun spirit, but again that really doesn't matter because the underlying purpose of benchmark is for everybody to bench under the same result. It doesn't matter what the conditions has to be, it can be with AP or without spotter or with EA or without frost spirit, it just all needs to be done under the same conditions. The rotation is what people can take away from the video definitely.I'm getting a distinct feeling that if I was a member of [sC} and posted it as such, you would have 0 problem with this.The explanation is for the people who do not understand how raid testing works. For example the OP of this thread who posted the 31.8k benchmark. It is not their fault as raid testing is fairly different. Look at how people gets confused and it would help people understand what the numbers mean.

I just want to make sure you understand this. Reaper is benching 32.5k under your scenarios.Again, it's not my scenario. Whole playerbase is adjusting since few balance patches to run firebrand+renegade. Also since you are a follower and believe SC word is holy truth, you can read more here and leave me be:

I don't understand why this is difficult to understand.

All I care about is to have everybody test under the same conditions, otherwise the result cannot be compared against each other. That is really it. I do not care who establish this standard or what the standard is in the first place but it has to be the same. You agreed that different results under different conditions cannot be compared against each other and that is simply the problem here. I go with SC numbers because they are the ones who has put out more benchmarks and therefore has more value as it can be used to do a comparison to each other. Rest assured if their benchmark were to be done under different conditions then I will protest as well. Your's at this point can only compare to yourself in which case the value is drastically lower. There is no intent to attack as I clarified before that I do not mean to discredit your video. It simply cannot be used to do a comparison others which is really the primary purpose of doing benchmark in the first place. Why else do people do dps benchmarks? To determine the relative strength of classes against each other, otherwise is just a number which has less meaning. To have these results which exist in a vacuum serves far less purpose than it could have been.

All I want is for your result to be able to be able to compared and used. Look at the very example here, I think your result is better that than noodle's which would have suggest reaper has better potential and your rotation was better. But I have no idea if that is actually correct until both of you test under the exact same conditions. if you still cannot see that and insist I am trying to attack you for whatever reason then I am afraid the conversation ends here.

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@"Warscythes.9307" said:All I care about is to have everybody test under the same conditions, otherwise the result cannot be compared against each other.I agree, but the conditions should be made under updated standards. You want ppl to use outdated standards, and more specifically have problem with me using updated standard instead of old one.That is really it. I do not care who establish this standard or what the standard is in the first place but it has to be the same.Nobody estabilishes the standard. (Well, ANet does, with their balance patches)And you should care what the standard is. I care, thats why I used the updated one. If you don't care, make your own benchmark using the outdated buff set, I just wont see it as valid. Classes should be compared to with up-to-date numbers, not with outdated or unrealistic ones.You agreed that different results under different conditions cannot be compared against each other and that is simply the problem here.And I explained that to solve that problem, you need to make comments under videos that use the old set, not the new one.I go with SC numbers because they are the ones who has put out more benchmarks and therefore has more value as it can be used to do a comparison to each other.So you believe quantity > quality. What's the point of comparing benchmarks using old buff set if their numbers aren't realistic anymore? Only thing you can do then is compare the classes in percentages, and benchmark should showcase each class individually, it's not just to compare.Rest assured if their benchmark were to be done under different conditions then I will protest as well.You would protest against using updated buffs even if it was SC overlords? :D wowYour's at this point can only compare to yourself in which case the value is drastically lower.I'm sorry for being the first (if I am). Next time I'll wait for someone else - who you deem more valuable and reputable - to do the transition. Maybe then you will stop nagging me.There is no intent to attack as I clarified before that I do not mean to discredit your video.You are discrediting it every time you write a comment about it not being comparable, like it's my fault there's no other videos with updated buffs to compare it to. If your problem wasn't truly with my video and just with the lack of quantity, then you would say something like "i wish there were more videos with updated buffs to compare it to". But no, you have problem with me not using old buffs, and that's not something I will do. Because I don't do unrealistic benchmarks. Idk what you want from me at this point.It simply cannot be used to do a comparison others which is really the primary purpose of doing benchmark in the first place.Then don't compare it. I don't care about you comparing it to outdated/invalid videos. Thats the reaper dps showcase with realistic buffs. Take it for what it is.Why else do people do dps benchmarks? To determine the relative strength of classes against each other, otherwise is just a number which has less meaning. To have these results which exist in a vacuum serves far less purpose than it could have been.I guess my video has less purpose then, so sorry :) Maybe if people make more videos of the classes they enjoy and use realistic buffs, you can then compare my video, I hope you will find it valuable then, since it's SO worthless now (talk about not discrediting it lol)All I want is for your result to be able to be able to compared and used. Look at the very example here, I think your result is better that than noodle's which would have suggest reaper has better potential and your rotation was better. But I have no idea if that is actually correct until both of you test under the exact same conditions. if you still cannot see that and insist I am trying to attack you for whatever reason then I am afraid the conversation ends here.I can't give you what you want. I gave you reaper video. If you want it to compare with something, go ask other ppl to produce more videos with comparable buffs.

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@"Warscythes.9307" said:All I care about is to have everybody test under the same conditions, otherwise the result cannot be compared against each other.I agree, but the conditions should be made under updated standards. You want ppl to use outdated standards, and more specifically have problem with me using updated standard instead of old one.That is really it. I do not care who establish this standard or what the standard is in the first place but it has to be the same.Nobody estabilishes the standard.And you should care what the standard is. I care, thats why I used the updated one. If you don't care, make your own benchmark using the outdated buff set, I just wont see it as valid. Classes should be compared to with up-to-date numbers, not with outdated or unrealistic ones.You agreed that different results under different conditions cannot be compared against each other and that is simply the problem here.And I explained that to solve that problem, you need to make comments under videos that use the old set, not the new one.I go with SC numbers because they are the ones who has put out more benchmarks and therefore has more value as it can be used to do a comparison to each other.So you believe quantity > quality. What's the point of comparing benchmarks using old buff set if their numbers aren't realistic anymore? Only thing you can do then is compare the classes in percentages, and benchmark should showcase each class individually, it's not just to compare.Rest assured if their benchmark were to be done under different conditions then I will protest as well.You would protest against using updated buffs even if it was SC overlords? :D wowYour's at this point can only compare to yourself in which case the value is drastically lower.I'm sorry for being the first (if I am). Next time I'll wait for someone else - who you deem more valuable and reputable - to do the transition. Maybe then you will stop nagging me.There is no intent to attack as I clarified before that I do not mean to discredit your video.You are discrediting it every time you write a comment about it not being comparable, like it's my fault there's no other videos with updated buffs to compare it to. If your problem wasn't truly with my video and just with the lack of quantity, then you would say something like "i wish there were more videos with updated buffs to compare it to". But no, you have problem with me not using
old
buffs, and that's not something I will do. Because I don't do unrealistic benchmarks. Idk what you want from me at this point.It simply cannot be used to do a comparison others which is really the primary purpose of doing benchmark in the first place.Then don't compare it. I don't care about you comparing it to outdates/invalid videos. Thats the reaper dps showcase with realistic buffs. Take it for what it is.Why else do people do dps benchmarks? To determine the relative strength of classes against each other, otherwise is just a number which has less meaning. To have these results which exist in a vacuum serves far less purpose than it could have been.I guess my video has less purpose then, so sorry :) Maybe if people make more videos of the classes they enjoy and use realistic buffs, you can then compare my video, I hope you will find it valuable then, since it's SO worthless now (talk about not discrediting it lol)All I want is for your result to be able to be able to compared and used. Look at the very example here, I think your result is better that than noodle's which would have suggest reaper has better potential and your rotation was better. But I have no idea if that is actually correct until both of you test under the exact same conditions. if you still cannot see that and insist I am trying to attack you for whatever reason then I am afraid the conversation ends here.I can't give you what you want. I gave you reaper video. If you want it to compare with something, go ask other ppl to produce more videos with comparable buffs.

I will try to explain this one last time

Can we at least agree that people mostly use benchmarks to figure out how good a class is?

So imagine if I want to play power reaper and I want to know if is good. You tell me it does about 32.5k. Well that sounds pretty decent but how good is that? If there is no others to compare it to then all I know is the class does 32.5k damage. It doesn't really tell me whether or not if is actually good.

Now imagine that you can tell me that all the other classes do about 40k damage. Well that means the class is bad because 32.5k is way lower than 40k so I should avoid it. Or now imagine you tell me all the other classes do about 20k. Then that to me sounds like the class is really good and probably OP. Now that's information I can use.

I will say this one more time. I don't care exactly what is the current standard or who created them. Doesn't matter if is DnT or SC or whatever. It simply has to be the same. Right now people use SC's numbers because they are the ones who put out the most benchmarks and therefore it can be used to compare against each other. It is not because I am some SC fanboy. I just want there to be a clear presentation of information.

If you still cannot understand what I am trying to say, then I seriously have no more words for you. Good luck on doing whatever you were doing.

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@Sublimatio.6981 said:@Warscythes.9307It's so annoying when people think they're being misunderstood and feel like they keep explaining something. I suggest you start differentiating being misunderstood and being disagreed with. And yes, I don't have more to add so good luck have fun

Im curious. How long did you grind for that vid?

I just had 3 tries, where 6-8 gravediggers didn't crit below 50%

If I watch your video, you have way less non crits

Also when I join pugs right now, there's always a minimum of one druid and not all the times a revenant.

So did the people either all not know about a meta change? Or does noone care?

When everyone's still playing druid over rev you should be doing a vid without ap

Yes maybe snowcrows has at least one renegade on almost every boss, but are all groups playing this?

Nope.

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@Nimon.7840 said:Im curious. How long did you grind for that vid?

I just had 3 tries, where 6-8 gravediggers didn't crit below 50%

If I watch your video, you have way less non critsI spent around 30 minutes in the golem area (measured by my msg times on discord as I was reporting my tries to my bf)First 10 min: doing Noodle's rotation, trying on different stats, runesSecond 10 min: trying out different rotation, polishing itThird 10 min: deciding that full zerk is better, then trying a bit the rotation till I get highest number.

So not really grinding, I don't do that. I'm sure someone will beat it in few days

Also when I join pugs right now, there's always a minimum of one druid and not all the times a revenant.Because pick up groups are always behind meta/optimal comps as it's not an organised group. By nature they play what they're used to and are less eager to change what works for them. You also barely see pug groups doing intricate fractal skips and such.

Also, that's your personal experience. I see many groups using renegade+firebrandSo did the people either all not know about a meta change? Or does noone care?Most people acknowledge meta change but are too lazy to change with it. And yes some people don't know.When everyone's still playing druid over rev you should be doing a vid without apNot everyone is still playing druid. Also people are still playing healing necro or healing firebrand and other shenanigans. That doesn't dictate golem testing.Yes maybe snowcrows has at least one renegade on almost every boss, but are all groups playing this?

Nope.So? Golem tests are for optimal group scenarios, it's irrelevant whether pug/suboptimal groups don't run revenant or if they prefer heal necro or whatever.

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@LucianDK.8615 said:Im kind of suprised that SC havent reacted to Soul Eater or listed the new benchmarks. As well weighted on the offhand choice.

Its not really an off hand choice if you ask me. You can decide if you have a better WH skin or Focus skin for your outfit since you wont use anything of either in DPS phases. I brought a Focus to the last Dhuum raid for Focus5 but other than that I believe it doesnt really matter which one you bring.

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@LucianDK.8615 said:Im kind of suprised that SC havent reacted to Soul Eater or listed the new benchmarks. As well weighted on the offhand choice.

Its not really an off hand choice if you ask me. You can decide if you have a better WH skin or Focus skin for your outfit since you wont use anything of either in DPS phases. I brought a Focus to the last Dhuum raid for Focus5 but other than that I believe it doesnt really matter which one you bring.

still using the wh for the extra LF generation IN shroud, to maintain shroud for the full 10sec even if you eat some dmgif i ever feel like i cant get LF up until shroud is rdy again (below 50% that could be an issue during long fights) i am going to switch to focus. experience will tell

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