Dagger Storm

[Psycoprophet.8107]

@Woof.8246 said:

@Psycoprophet.8107 said:Naw even to long time players of the class it's pretty bad nowadays especially when u switch and get used to the advantages other classes have been given.

Again , if thief didnt shutdown , other ''light'' character , you wouldnt see those bunker .And we would see a more rotating with each season meta .

Just buff other specs to have such mobility , and those bunker with be out of job

Haventbthey already buffed most classes so atleast one spec has good mobility? Warrior greatsword,sb owl with greatsword,mirage,holo with keaps,boots and rifle etc, give them any more mobility and thief wont be best at running away or decapping and will be 100% redundant lmao

[praqtos.9035]

@sephiroth.4217 said:Actually listed why its broken-overloaded and should be nerfed to the ground, not willing to argue with a thickhead

[Woof.8246]

@Psycoprophet.8107 said:

@Woof.8246 said:

@Psycoprophet.8107 said:Naw even to long time players of the class it's pretty bad nowadays especially when u switch and get used to the advantages other classes have been given.

Again , if thief didnt shutdown , other ''light'' character , you wouldnt see those bunker .And we would see a more rotating with each season meta .

Just buff other specs to have such mobility , and those bunker with be out of job

Haventbthey already buffed most classes so atleast one spec has good mobility? Warrior greatsword,sb owl with greatsword,mirage,holo with keaps,boots and rifle etc, give them any more mobility and thief wont be best at running away or decapping and will be 100% redundant lmao

Greatsword Warior with Bull Charge and 100blade existed since launch.Sb owl with greatsword , existed since HoT (there is a trait in Druid to allow you to do a copy of the same attack twice (2 Greatesword eaps etc).Holo Either Leap or Rifle will have .

If other classes get you mobility , you will still be the best with Spamm evading or stopping those ''lights'' characters with the low animations each attack have , or finding with their pants down with Stealth

[ChillyKoti.1928]

@Bigpapasmurf.5623 said:I always thought Daggerstorm shouldnt be an evade, but more of a projectile block...but thats just my opinion

It was a projectile block before its rework.

[Crinn.7864]

@Psycoprophet.8107 said:

@Woof.8246 said:

@Psycoprophet.8107 said:Naw even to long time players of the class it's pretty bad nowadays especially when u switch and get used to the advantages other classes have been given.

Again , if thief didnt shutdown , other ''light'' character , you wouldnt see those bunker .And we would see a more rotating with each season meta .

Just buff other specs to have such mobility , and those bunker with be out of job

Haventbthey already buffed most classes so atleast one spec has good mobility?

I guess necromancer doesn't count as a class anymore.

[Psycoprophet.8107]

@Crinn.7864 said:

@Psycoprophet.8107 said:

@Woof.8246 said:

@Psycoprophet.8107 said:Naw even to long time players of the class it's pretty bad nowadays especially when u switch and get used to the advantages other classes have been given.

Again , if thief didnt shutdown , other ''light'' character , you wouldnt see those bunker .And we would see a more rotating with each season meta .

Just buff other specs to have such mobility , and those bunker with be out of job

Haventbthey already buffed most classes so atleast one spec has good mobility?

I guess necromancer doesn't count as a class anymore.

Its has mobility in wurm and spec walk but kinda too situational but gues it counts

[Psycoprophet.8107]

@Woof.8246 said:

@Psycoprophet.8107 said:

@Woof.8246 said:

@Psycoprophet.8107 said:Naw even to long time players of the class it's pretty bad nowadays especially when u switch and get used to the advantages other classes have been given.

Again , if thief didnt shutdown , other ''light'' character , you wouldnt see those bunker .And we would see a more rotating with each season meta .

Just buff other specs to have such mobility , and those bunker with be out of job

Haventbthey already buffed most classes so atleast one spec has good mobility? Warrior greatsword,sb owl with greatsword,mirage,holo with keaps,boots and rifle etc, give them any more mobility and thief wont be best at running away or decapping and will be 100% redundant lmao

Greatsword Warior with Bull Charge and 100blade existed since launch.Sb owl with greatsword , existed since HoT (there is a trait in Druid to allow you to do a copy of the same attack twice (2 Greatesword eaps etc).Holo Either Leap or Rifle will have .

If other classes get you mobility , you will still be the best with Spamm evading or stopping those ''lights'' characters with the low animations each attack have , or finding with their pants down with Stealth

Except classes like scrapper,ranger/druid and mirage have stealth aswell.guard,mesmer,Revs and and sb smokescale have tele as well. Thief had a large advantage due to mobility in the past but that has been lessened by a considerable amount all while sustain and dps has been power crept among the classes as thief has gotten repeated nerfs due to non thief player Cruz's so its core is the only viable build in comps now.its a good build but not great,just bestvthief has now lol now non thief players are crying for DS nerfs when it's a carry skill which is definitely over loaded and OP and really should be toned down.issue is people wanting it nerfed would be fine if it got nerfed with no compensation leaving thief even more gutted which is what most the community wants due to bias which most wont admit so. That's why I defend the skill. If it got nerfed but thief got compensation for said nerf that be great,unfortunately when comes to thief compensation isn't in arenanet or the communities vocabulary lol

[Raiden The Beast.3016]

Some more input ... because we are not talking about DS anymore but about teef in general

[Woof.8246]

@Psycoprophet.8107 said:

@Woof.8246 said:

@Psycoprophet.8107 said:

@Woof.8246 said:

@Psycoprophet.8107 said:Naw even to long time players of the class it's pretty bad nowadays especially when u switch and get used to the advantages other classes have been given.

Again , if thief didnt shutdown , other ''light'' character , you wouldnt see those bunker .And we would see a more rotating with each season meta .

Just buff other specs to have such mobility , and those bunker with be out of job

Haventbthey already buffed most classes so atleast one spec has good mobility? Warrior greatsword,sb owl with greatsword,mirage,holo with keaps,boots and rifle etc, give them any more mobility and thief wont be best at running away or decapping and will be 100% redundant lmao

Greatsword Warior with Bull Charge and 100blade existed since launch.Sb owl with greatsword , existed since HoT (there is a trait in Druid to allow you to do a copy of the same attack twice (2 Greatesword eaps etc).Holo Either Leap or Rifle will have .

If other classes get you mobility , you will still be the best with Spamm evading or stopping those ''lights'' characters with the low animations each attack have , or finding with their pants down with Stealth

Except classes like scrapper,ranger/druid and mirage have stealth aswell.guard,mesmer,Revs and and sb smokescale have tele as well. Thief had a large advantage due to mobility in the past but that has been lessened by a considerable amount all while sustain and dps has been power crept among the classes as thief has gotten repeated nerfs due to non thief player Cruz's so its core is the only viable build in comps now.its a good build but not great,just bestvthief has now lol now non thief players are crying for DS nerfs when it's a carry skill which is definitely over loaded and OP and really should be toned down.issue is people wanting it nerfed would be fine if it got nerfed with no compensation leaving thief even more gutted which is what most the community wants due to bias which most wont admit so. That's why I defend the skill. If it got nerfed but thief got compensation for said nerf that be great,unfortunately when comes to thief compensation isn't in arenanet or the communities vocabulary lol

It have been powercreeped , because ppl defending their class leads to more imbalances .D/D spamm evade /condition thieves , tried to defend their class saying it wont be meta , that thus it was lead to the creation of the Current Mesmer evade/condition in PoF and the Tempest evade /healing in HoT .

So by doing these conversations , you moved from: Theif is Garbage spec > no other character must rival Thieve mobility > that DS carry whatever Theif spec is using .For you own Good , in the next xpansion dont whine about powercreed ,. because i will be here w8ing w8ing for you ...This is what the Theifs from 2012-2015 did , and they simply moved to other games , crying about powercreep and the company is bad

[Abelisk.5148]

@Shadow Dragon.1469 said:um dodge? block? reflect? los? get good?

seriously you had it right at there are more important things to take care of and still are thieves are meh and this makes them less meh (not saying they aren't good in good hands they always where and always will be) but in many situations the team would wish they didn't have a thief and that's a problem so tone down other aspects of the game then we can talk about thief.

people that make topics like these should post their rating and top 2 most played classes...

Thieves use Dagger Storm after they've wasted your resources.

[Psycoprophet.8107]

@Woof.8246 said:

@Psycoprophet.8107 said:

@Woof.8246 said:

@Psycoprophet.8107 said:

@Woof.8246 said:

@Psycoprophet.8107 said:Naw even to long time players of the class it's pretty bad nowadays especially when u switch and get used to the advantages other classes have been given.

Again , if thief didnt shutdown , other ''light'' character , you wouldnt see those bunker .And we would see a more rotating with each season meta .

Just buff other specs to have such mobility , and those bunker with be out of job

Haventbthey already buffed most classes so atleast one spec has good mobility? Warrior greatsword,sb owl with greatsword,mirage,holo with keaps,boots and rifle etc, give them any more mobility and thief wont be best at running away or decapping and will be 100% redundant lmao

Greatsword Warior with Bull Charge and 100blade existed since launch.Sb owl with greatsword , existed since HoT (there is a trait in Druid to allow you to do a copy of the same attack twice (2 Greatesword eaps etc).Holo Either Leap or Rifle will have .

If other classes get you mobility , you will still be the best with Spamm evading or stopping those ''lights'' characters with the low animations each attack have , or finding with their pants down with Stealth

Except classes like scrapper,ranger/druid and mirage have stealth aswell.guard,mesmer,Revs and and sb smokescale have tele as well. Thief had a large advantage due to mobility in the past but that has been lessened by a considerable amount all while sustain and dps has been power crept among the classes as thief has gotten repeated nerfs due to non thief player Cruz's so its core is the only viable build in comps now.its a good build but not great,just bestvthief has now lol now non thief players are crying for DS nerfs when it's a carry skill which is definitely over loaded and OP and really should be toned down.issue is people wanting it nerfed would be fine if it got nerfed with no compensation leaving thief even more gutted which is what most the community wants due to bias which most wont admit so. That's why I defend the skill. If it got nerfed but thief got compensation for said nerf that be great,unfortunately when comes to thief compensation isn't in arenanet or the communities vocabulary lol

It have been powercreeped , because ppl defending their class leads to more imbalances .D/D spamm evade /condition thieves , tried to defend their class saying it wont be meta , that thus it was lead to the creation of the Current Mesmer evade/condition in PoF and the Tempest evade /healing in HoT .

So by doing these conversations , you moved from: Theif is Garbage spec > no other character must rival Thieve mobility > that DS carry whatever Theif spec is using .For you own Good , in the next xpansion dont whine about powercreed ,. because i will be here w8ing w8ing for you ...This is what the Theifs from 2012-2015 did , and they simply moved to other games , crying about powercreep and the company is bad

Normal bs from a player who doednt play the class in question.its like u guys dont want the class to stand a chance in a fight on it's own all cuz u dont like dying to one lol it's already a +1 class when it comes to fighting for a reason. A class gets that rep and is delegated that job for a reason.DS is a issue for u guys when scrapper, holos,soulbeast,scourge(esp in wvw) and fb spam exist lmao ok

[mortrialus.3062]

Daggerstorm is bearable. Strong, annoying but on the whole its easier to deal with than something like Rampage. But fuck Improvisation resetting cooldowns especially the elite. Now that it's an evade on top of being a PBAOE they need to cut the random projectiles from it.

Then we good :+1:

[Psycoprophet.8107]

@mortrialus.3062 said:Daggerstorm is bearable. Strong, annoying but on the whole its easier to deal with than something like Rampage. But kitten Improvisation resetting cooldowns especially the elite. Now that it's an evade on top of being a PBAOE they need to cut the random projectiles from it.

Then we good :+1:Elites being exempt from improv would be a good nerf still leaving DS in a good spot

[Alatar.7364]

@Burnfall.9573 said:

@Jack Redline.5379 said:

@Burnfall.9573 said:

Until Thief is removed, redesign- nothing new!

move on to a healthy fun competitive pvp game

(Thief is a toxic bad design profession for 7 years and going strong. Seriously what would you except? A healthy fun competitive match with them in it??)

Exactly how much have you drunk today? Cuz MATE this is like.... eh. I have not word strong enough yet polite enough to describe the feelings in my brain your coment has caused.GOING WELL. OP FOR OVER 7 YEARS....I think i need a bleach

Literally all of those Videos are 2012, 7 years old Videos from the ONLY period in the game when Thief was OP for few months, that is one hell of a "jokingly" bad argument.Not to mention that also all of them are WvW and this is PvP section, this is like already super invalid argument being even double the time more irrelevant.

[mortrialus.3062]

@Psycoprophet.8107 said:

@mortrialus.3062 said:Daggerstorm is bearable. Strong, annoying but on the whole its easier to deal with than something like Rampage. But kitten Improvisation resetting cooldowns especially the elite. Now that it's an evade on top of being a PBAOE they need to cut the random projectiles from it.

Then we good :+1:Elites being exempt from improv would be a good nerf still leaving DS in a good spot

I'd rather see Improvisation be changed into something like:

The Perfect Crime20s CooldownYou can use stolen skills twice. All utility skills are recharged by 20% when you steal.

I think the level of RNG in the skill is kind of unacceptable for the PvP game mode as a whole, it's just Daggerstorm being so strong makes it REALLY obvious. It would still incentivize and reward successful stealing. You wouldn't get the highs of using certain use utility skills back to back, but it would be consistently useful, and it would always useful, you wouldn't get a skill category you aren't even equipped with recharged. It's always useful.

Basi Venom and Impact strikes can use buffs. Hide in Shadows is fine and has seen use when Deadeye is in higher usage. And Thieve's Guild should never be good in PvP and a should only ever be a PvE thing only like engineer turrets and ranger spirits.

[rng.1024]

It needs a rework at this point to be honest.

I would love for it to become a 1 second evade and with the same functionality of the warrior stolen skill, only with low damage and 4 daze procs every 1/4 second.

Add to this 2 charges and 40-60 sec recharge and you got yourself an elite skill perfect for burning through a stack of stability, downcleave, on demand reflect or simply a clutch evade, even for added damage when combined with PI.

Give it 1 sec superspeed aswell to move into range. Using this with steal would make for a significant burst, losing a defensive charge of it should you choose to do so.

[Moirg.7560]

No. We are already at the bottom of the totem pole, nerfed repeatedly, and recently our best spec (which was still behind) was literally just (this week) nerfed to the point where it's not played anymore.

Thief is borderline if not unplayable at this point; if you get killed by one it's almost guaranteed l2p issue. Yes dagger storm is a strong skill but its fine and has a 90s CD. We don't need more nerfs.

Complain about literally anything else in this game as thief is the actual opposite of 'God tier.'

[NICENIKESHOE.7128]

@Moirg.7560 said:No. We are already at the bottom of the totem pole, nerfed repeatedly, and recently our best spec (which was still behind) was literally just (this week) nerfed to the point where it's not played anymore.

Thief is borderline if not unplayable at this point; if you get killed by one it's almost guaranteed l2p issue. Yes dagger storm is a strong skill but its fine and has a 90s CD. We don't need more nerfs.

Complain about literally anything else in this game as thief is the actual opposite of 'God tier.'

Maybe you should read the thread discussion first. I think most people agree DS is fine just it's interaction with improv is what they're debating...

I'm all for thief buffs, because relying on crutch with moonboot so you don't go to rehab is not healthy.

[sephiroth.4217]

@praqtos.9035 said:

@"sephiroth.4217" said:Actually listed why its broken-overloaded and should be nerfed to the ground, not willing to argue with a thickhead

Now now, no need to resort to insults like a child.

Plenty of counterplay options there that you're choosing to ignore.Oh and this isn't an arguement, it never was.

Whats next, earth overload is broken because it cripples, immobolises, does damage, applies bleed, magnetic Aura, cleanses conditions, heals, applies regen, applies vigor, applies fury, applies stability, appkies protection, summons duststorm and applies swiftness?Oh man such overload, guess you want to nerf it right?Might make a thread for lolz actually.https://en-forum.guildwars2.com/discussion/75069/earth-overload-is-op-and-needs-nerf/p1?new=1

Daggerstorm is barely worth looking at, same with the traits.Due to nonsense cries like yours, Thief has already been pushed into mosquito status where it presents no danger but more of an annoyance if anything.

I hate saying this because it sounds elitist but this is a "get good" situation.

[praqtos.9035]

@sephiroth.4217 said:

@praqtos.9035 said:

@sephiroth.4217 said:Actually listed why its broken-overloaded and should be nerfed to the ground, not willing to argue with a thickhead

Now now, no need to resort to insults like a child.

Plenty of counterplay options there that you're choosing to ignore.Calling you exactly who you are is not an insult, but thats your right to feel insulted ;)NA players "git gud" smh

[sephiroth.4217]

@praqtos.9035 said:

@sephiroth.4217 said:

@praqtos.9035 said:

@sephiroth.4217 said:Actually listed why its broken-overloaded and should be nerfed to the ground, not willing to argue with a thickhead

Now now, no need to resort to insults like a child.

Plenty of counterplay options there that you're choosing to ignore.Calling you exactly who you are is not an insult, but thats your right to feel insulted ;)NA players "git gud" smh

Why would I be insulted? If anything I feel bad for forgetting that little kids use the forum too.

[praqtos.9035]

@sephiroth.4217 said:

@praqtos.9035 said:

@sephiroth.4217 said:

@praqtos.9035 said:

@sephiroth.4217 said:Actually listed why its broken-overloaded and should be nerfed to the ground, not willing to argue with a thickhead

Now now, no need to resort to insults like a child.

Plenty of counterplay options there that you're choosing to ignore.Calling you exactly who you are is not an insult, but thats your right to feel insulted ;)NA players "git gud" smh

Why would I be insulted? If anything I feel bad for forgetting that little kids use the forum too.Indeed, everyone can use forum, what a discovery !To imply i'm a little kid you has to be 80-90 years old for that

[sephiroth.4217]

@praqtos.9035 said:

@sephiroth.4217 said:

@praqtos.9035 said:

@sephiroth.4217 said:

@praqtos.9035 said:

@sephiroth.4217 said:Actually listed why its broken-overloaded and should be nerfed to the ground, not willing to argue with a thickhead

Now now, no need to resort to insults like a child.

Plenty of counterplay options there that you're choosing to ignore.Calling you exactly who you are is not an insult, but thats your right to feel insulted ;)NA players "git gud" smh

Why would I be insulted? If anything I feel bad for forgetting that little kids use the forum too.Indeed, everyone can use forum, what a discovery !To imply i'm a little kid you has to be 80-90 years old for that

As you previously said...

@praqtos.9035 said:Calling you exactly who you are is not an insult, but thats your right to feel insulted ;)

[freedomtolove.5476]

Notice how they only move the thief threads from the pvp or wvw forums? Thieves are the ignored profession and every thread mentioning thieves gets sent here to die just like us in game.

[YuiRS.8129]

Dagger Storm is stupid OP, but I think Thief needs it right now. The rest of the Thief's kit hasn't been power crept like other stuff in the game.