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It is implied but not confirmed Menzies is dead prior to GW2

Even if not, to suddenly show up with zero foreshadowing or reason in the finale would be terrible writing given our focus is on Kralkatorrik and bringing together everyone for the battle and culminating the threads of the last 2 years

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This is a very important event and I think it must be solved with the very characters and plot threads that have been developed for so many years building up into it, without bringing in last minute saviors or showing up new villains (let the next Season do that after the hiatus, we'll also have a raid in the meanwhile and current events related to it and probably current events to foreshadow the next season). Think of the last Avengers movie, which coincidentally has a poster very similar to War Eternal, I think they're trying to convey the same feeling here: this is closure to what we started, not a chance to keep bringing in new characters and new developments.

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Menzies is likely dead, killed by Balthazar before he got depowered by the other Gods. We can assume this safely because Balthazar and Menzies were at war, and it was stated that Balthazar had no war to fight which is why he was itching to fight the Dragons, in that case, he must have had already overcome Menzies immediately after the GW1 characters intervene in the Fissure of Woe and help speed along his Eternal's victory.

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@ThatOddOne.4387 said:Menzies is likely dead, killed by Balthazar before he got depowered by the other Gods. We can assume this safely because Balthazar and Menzies were at war, and it was stated that Balthazar had no war to fight which is why he was itching to fight the Dragons, in that case, he must have had already overcome Menzies immediately after the GW1 characters intervene in the Fissure of Woe and help speed along his Eternal's victory.

in fiction the rule is: if you don't see a corpse or ghost it's still alive.

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@Randulf.7614 said:It is implied but not confirmed Menzies is dead prior to GW2

Even if not, to suddenly show up with zero foreshadowing or reason in the finale would be terrible writing given our focus is on Kralkatorrik and bringing together everyone for the battle and culminating the threads of the last 2 years

Nothing implied it other than the war was over. Menzies could totally get away.

And Dhuum, Abaddon, Balthazar and other powerful beings were not killed even if they were caught. Just imprisoned.

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@"Randulf.7614" said:It is implied but not confirmed Menzies is dead prior to GW2

Even if not, to suddenly show up with zero foreshadowing or reason in the finale would be terrible writing given our focus is on Kralkatorrik and bringing together everyone for the battle and culminating the threads of the last 2 years

Nothing implied it other than the war was over. Menzies could totally get away.

And Dhuum, Abaddon, Balthazar and other powerful beings were not killed even if they were caught. Just imprisoned.

Grenth was unable to kill Dhuum, which is why he was spared. Abaddon and Balthazar were once good people, and it's suggested in lore that Abaddon was imprisoned instead of killed because the others were hoping he'd redeem himself ("A powerful force of Forgotten was sent to safeguard Abaddon's prison. Perhaps the Five had hoped that given time, Abaddon would come to his senses. They thought wrong."); the same is likely true for Balthazar if that implication is true. In all three cases though, you're talking about gods, which Menzies is not. And as we've seen with Nightfall and Path of Fire, the death of a god (or even re-empowered former god) is more than a bit disastrous. This shouldn't be the case for Menzies.

I also doubt that Balthazar would be "bored due to no one to fight" if Menzies had merely gotten away, as Balthazar could thus entertain himself with hunting down Menzies.

All that said, Menzies could be alive, but let's be honest, the time for his spotlight has come and gone. He should have been the antagonist of PoF, not Balthazar, and with Balthazar dead, there's really no point in Menzies, who's aim was Balthazar's head, to be involved with anything Tyrian. If Menzies does show up again, it' be to A) free Dhuum, which could potentially be a new raid after the Qadim stuff ends (imo, this is still unlikely), or B) to hunt down the Six / Balthazar's replacement (which must exist unless they retcon lore and make the entirety of NF pointless) as they travel through the Mists to other worlds, which wouldn't involve the Commander.

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@"Konig Des Todes.2086" said:Grenth was unable to kill Dhuum, which is why he was spared. Abaddon and Balthazar were once good people, and it's suggested in lore that Abaddon was imprisoned instead of killed because the others were hoping he'd redeem himself ("A powerful force of Forgotten was sent to safeguard Abaddon's prison. Perhaps the Five had hoped that given time, Abaddon would come to his senses. They thought wrong."); the same is likely true for Balthazar if that implication is true. In all three cases though, you're talking about gods, which Menzies is not. And as we've seen with Nightfall and Path of Fire, the death of a god (or even re-empowered former god) is more than a bit disastrous. This shouldn't be the case for Menzies.

I also doubt that Balthazar would be "bored due to no one to fight" if Menzies had merely gotten away, as Balthazar could thus entertain himself with hunting down Menzies.

All that said, Menzies could be alive, but let's be honest, the time for his spotlight has come and gone. He should have been the antagonist of PoF, not Balthazar, and with Balthazar dead, there's really no point in Menzies, who's aim was Balthazar's head, to be involved with anything Tyrian. If Menzies does show up again, it' be to A) free Dhuum, which could potentially be a new raid after the Qadim stuff ends (imo, this is still unlikely), or B) to hunt down the Six / Balthazar's replacement (which must exist unless they retcon lore and make the entirety of NF pointless) as they travel through the Mists to other worlds, which wouldn't involve the Commander.

And Menzies was Balthazar's brother. He is not god but certainly close to be one and if you kill him it would result to magic problem as well.

If Menzies was defeated and got away, of course Balthazar would lose interest on him. Balthazar didn't start the war, Menzies did.

All that said, NOTHING indicated Menzies was dead.

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@"Slowpokeking.8720" said:And Menzies was Balthazar's brother. He is not god but certainly close to be one and if you kill him it would result to magic problem as well.

If Menzies was defeated and got away, of course Balthazar would lose interest on him. Balthazar didn't start the war, Menzies did.

All that said, NOTHING indicated Menzies was dead.

Half-brother. But even Grenth wasn't born a god, and he was the child of a god and mortal. So even if Menzies was the child of a god and mortal like Grenth, he'd be in the situation of Grenth at the very best. However, we don't even know if Balthazar's parents - either one or both - was divine, let alone Menzies'; though we do know that gods and former gods break apart when they die, and Balthazar's father left his head so said father (shared or not is unknown) was likely not godly at all. This would mean that Balthazar, too, would be in Grenth's position at the very best at birth - presuming Balthazar's mother to be a goddess. But both Menzies' and Balthazar's parents may have been mortal for all we know.

So no, Menzies is not "certainly close to one" and there is zero reason to believe that killing him would result in a magic problem as well for he is neither god nor former god.

And yes, something does indicate that Menzies is dead. The war was over, and Balthazar was idle and bored from being idle as confirmed by devs. If he was bored because of idleness, then he wouldn't just let Menzies go, not because of any sense of righteousness, but out of boredom. He would no doubt choose a personal battle with no severe consequences if he won, over one with the Elder Dragons that would end with the world's destruction if he won.

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Even if he is not dead, he still requires foreshadowing and some mentioning within the new lore. Menzies is barely known outside of hardcore gw1 players and will be utterly unknown to most gw2 players.

Outside of the weapons, Im not even sure he is ever referred to anywhere in GW2 unless the priory have a book mentioning him. To bring him in, would suit a slow burn, a more subtle build up. A single full living season arc involving his Shadow Army slowly creeping back, invading and culminating in his final reveal in the last episode and some kind of confrontation, would be more appropriate, more exciting and would bring distraction from the Dragon arc.

Bringing him in now would muddy a finale which already will need to be rammed to do justice to the build up.

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@"Konig Des Todes.2086" said:Half-brother. But even Grenth wasn't born a god, and he was the child of a god and mortal. So even if Menzies was the child of a god and mortal like Grenth, he'd be in the situation of Grenth at the very best. However, we don't even know if Balthazar's parents - either one or both - was divine, let alone Menzies'; though we do know that gods and former gods break apart when they die, and Balthazar's father left his head so said father (shared or not is unknown) was likely not godly at all. This would mean that Balthazar, too, would be in Grenth's position at the very best at birth - presuming Balthazar's mother to be a goddess. But both Menzies' and Balthazar's parents may have been mortal for all we know.

So no, Menzies is not "certainly close to one" and there is zero reason to believe that killing him would result in a magic problem as well for he is neither god nor former god.

And yes, something does indicate that Menzies is dead. The war was over, and Balthazar was idle and bored from being idle as confirmed by devs. If he was bored because of idleness, then he wouldn't just let Menzies go, not because of any sense of righteousness, but out of boredom. He would no doubt choose a personal battle with no severe consequences if he won, over one with the Elder Dragons that would end with the world's destruction if he won.

Not really, Menzies has his own priests, his own creation of shadow and darkness army, his power is safe to say, close to Balthazar at least. He is a very powerful being, even if not a god, is pretty much close to be one.

So Menzies is certainly close to one god, if he wasn't he would be easily smashed by Balthzar's army in Balthzar's realm rather than having a long lasting cruel war.

No, the war is over means nothing. In real life and there are tons of examples. You are simply biting your own tail right now.

If Menzies himself was nowhere close to a god, why would Balthazar have any interest to fight him when the war is over? You are contradicting yourself now.

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@Randulf.7614 said:Even if he is not dead, he still requires foreshadowing and some mentioning within the new lore. Menzies is barely known outside of hardcore gw1 players and will be utterly unknown to most gw2 players.

Outside of the weapons, Im not even sure he is ever referred to anywhere in GW2 unless the priory have a book mentioning him. To bring him in, would suit a slow burn, a more subtle build up. A single full living season arc involving his Shadow Army slowly creeping back, invading and culminating in his final reveal in the last episode and some kind of confrontation, would be more appropriate, more exciting and would bring distraction from the Dragon arc.

Bringing him in now would muddy a finale which already will need to be rammed to do justice to the build up.

Again, NOTHING indicated he is dead.

Not really, his background is easy to introduce.

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@Slowpokeking.8720 said:Not really, Menzies has his own priests, his own creation of shadow and darkness army, his power is safe to say, close to Balthazar at least. He is a very powerful being, even if not a god, is pretty much close to be one.

Priests don't matter for shit. Mursaat had priests and were worshiped as gods, were they divine? No. This thing had priests and worshiped as divine, did that make it divine? No. Divinity in GW is an actual physical state of being, not a mere title.

We can't even say Menzies is powerful. We never see anything Menzies directly did; we've only seen the actions of the Shadow Army, which is nothing but evil souls following him. From what we've seen, Menzies is more akin to a general than a god, in terms of power and leadership. On par to Mallyx or Mad King Thorn at best.

@Slowpokeking.8720 said:So Menzies is certainly close to one god, if he wasn't he would be easily smashed by Balthzar's army in Balthzar's realm rather than having a long lasting cruel war.

We never saw Balthazar take direct action. Given this, Balthazar likely saw the Eternal Battle like an RTS game, where you move your army but never directly interact. Balthazar's army was just an army of warrior spirits, no different than Abaddon's army being of former humans.

Besides, we've seen mortals be a threat to gods, so why must someone be "close to a god" to be a threat to one?

@Slowpokeking.8720 said:No, the war is over means nothing. In real life and there are tons of examples. You are simply biting your own tail right now.

If Menzies himself was nowhere close to a god, why would Balthazar have any interest to fight him when the war is over? You are contradicting yourself now.

In of itself, "the war is over" does indeed mean nothing. What means something is "Balthazar was bored of idleness".

As for why the interest - see above. One does not need to be "close to a god" to provide a challenge. Especially if the god is not acting directly.

@Slowpokeking.8720 said:Not really, his background is easy to introduce.

Sure, but it would be a bad move narratively to introduce him and his background in a single go. Especially if Menzies plays some major role in stopping Kralkatorrik. Because that'll just be a Dues Ex Machina move.

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@"Konig Des Todes.2086" said:Priests don't matter for kitten. Mursaat had priests and were worshiped as gods, were they divine? No. This thing had priests and worshiped as divine, did that make it divine? No. Divinity in GW is an actual physical state of being, not a mere title.

Having priests that could lead shadow army to invade Balthazar's own realm certainly makes him powerful and close to a deity, the Lord of Destruction.

We can't even say Menzies is powerful. We never see anything Menzies directly did; we've only seen the actions of the Shadow Army, which is nothing but evil souls following him. From what we've seen, Menzies is more akin to a general than a god, in terms of power and leadership. On par to Mallyx or Mad King Thorn at best.

His army and generals already showed a lot of strength. Evil souls with a lot of power obviously showed his power. Mallyx's followers are mostly Abaddon, Dhuum and Menzies' minions.

We never saw Balthazar take direct action. Given this, Balthazar likely saw the Eternal Battle like an RTS game, where you move your army but never directly interact. Balthazar's army was just an army of warrior spirits, no different than Abaddon's army being of former humans.

Besides, we've seen mortals be a threat to gods, so why must someone be "close to a god" to be a threat to one?

You are biting your own tail again, if Balthazar didn't take it that seriously, why would he want to kill his own brother when the war is over?

In of itself, "the war is over" does indeed mean nothing. What means something is "Balthazar was bored of idleness".

As for why the interest - see above. One does not need to be "close to a god" to provide a challenge. Especially if the god is not acting directly.

You provided nothing.

If Balthazar didn't even bother to show himself to fight the powerful shadowy army, then why would he have interest to fight Menzies unless he's a really powerful being close to him?

Sure, but it would be a bad move narratively to introduce him and his background in a single go. Especially if Menzies plays some major role in stopping Kralkatorrik. Because that'll just be a Dues Ex Machina move.

It's introduce him in the end and prepare for the next season, not using him as the antagonist right now.

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@Slowpokeking.8720 said:Having priests that could lead shadow army to invade Balthazar's own realm certainly makes him powerful and close to a deity, the Lord of Destruction.Leading an army of spirits doesn't make one close to a god's power. Otherwise you're saying Oswald Thorn, Murakai, Glint, and the Primeval Kings are all close to a god's power.

@Slowpokeking.8720 said:His army and generals already showed a lot of strength. Evil souls with a lot of power obviously showed his power. Mallyx's followers are mostly Abaddon, Dhuum and Menzies' minions.

Leaders can have troops that are stronger than themselves. So that argument is flawed.

@Slowpokeking.8720 said:You are biting your own tail again, if Balthazar didn't take it that seriously, why would he want to kill his own brother when the war is over?Not taking direct action != not taking it seriously

Menzies was presented as the tenacious kind that would only take a break, not cease eternally in his goals. Menzies running away wouldn't end the war, it'd only give a respite, and Balthazar would be smart enough to know this.

Besides, if Menzies gave up, then how does the title at all relate to Menzies? Plus, if Menzies gave up, he wouldn't even become an antagonist like you initially promote. Sounds like you're biting your own tail (weird expression...) rather than me.

@Slowpokeking.8720 said:You provided nothing.The very game provides that mortals can challenge gods.

@Slowpokeking.8720 said:If Balthazar didn't even bother to show himself to fight the powerful shadowy army, then why would he have interest to fight Menzies unless he's a really powerful being close to him?Balthazar was a god who relished challenges. Even if this challenge was a boardgame. It need not be personal combat to entertain him.

@Slowpokeking.8720 said:It's introduce him in the end and prepare for the next season, not using him as the antagonist right now.

Then the title shouldn't have anything to do with him, since the titles of episodes are about the meat and critical points of the episodes, ever since S2 began. War Eternal will be about the plot of the episode, or a climactic moment in the episode. It's never been used to refer to an individual, object, or place (expansion titles, however, do) since S1.

Besides, with Balthazar gone, there's nothing "eternal" or "war" related to Menzies anymore. At best, a title relating to Menzies would be along the lines of "Shadow of War".

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Why would they introduce a villain with minimal to no familiarity to the wider player base, with no relation to the game or story in the last 7 years at the end of a completely different story that is fully focussed on a much bigger and dangerous foe? Even to set up next season? That seems like bad fan fiction to me.

I’m not against bringing him in, but this method would be the worst introduction to him, to the detriment of both him and the current story as things get crammed in needlessly.

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@"Konig Des Todes.2086" said:Leading an army of spirits doesn't make one close to a god's power. Otherwise you're saying Oswald Thorn, Murakai, Glint, and the Primeval Kings are all close to a god's power.

Again don't cut it off, leading an army to challenge a god in his own realm and start a fierce war, certainly is.

Leaders can have troops that are stronger than themselves. So that argument is flawed.

Not true to most of the GW villains, and not likely in this case since their power were mostly granted by him.

Not taking direct action != not taking it seriously

Not taking direct action is not taking it seriously especially on Balthazar's case.

Menzies was presented as the tenacious kind that would only take a break, not cease eternally in his goals. Menzies running away wouldn't end the war, it'd only give a respite, and Balthazar would be smart enough to know this.

Not really, Menzies is a clever one, again you are biting your tail now.

If Menzies never cease to get his goal, then his power must be close to the level of gods otherwise he would not last that long at all.

Besides, if Menzies gave up, then how does the title at all relate to Menzies? Plus, if Menzies gave up, he wouldn't even become an antagonist like you initially promote. Sounds like you're biting your own tail (weird expression...) rather than me.

Retreat and hide away to plot doesn't mean give up.

The very game provides that mortals can challenge gods.

Where? Even Balthazar was stripped out from his power. And even then his death gave a huge boost to Kralkatorrik resulted in world danger.

Balthazar was a god who relished challenges. Even if this challenge was a boardgame. It need not be personal combat to entertain him.

Again biting your own tail, why would Menzies be a challenge if he's not close to his brother's level? He was not playing a board game with Balthazar, but a war.

Then the title shouldn't have anything to do with him, since the titles of episodes are about the meat and critical points of the episodes, ever since S2 began. War Eternal will be about the plot of the episode, or a climactic moment in the episode. It's never been used to refer to an individual, object, or place (expansion titles, however, do) since S1.

Besides, with Balthazar gone, there's nothing "eternal" or "war" related to Menzies anymore. At best, a title relating to Menzies would be along the lines of "Shadow of War".

Not true, it could be possible and Menzies' goal was always take his brother's position, and Kralkatorrik got part of his brother's strength.

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@Randulf.7614 said:Why would they introduce a villain with minimal to no familiarity to the wider player base, with no relation to the game or story in the last 7 years at the end of a completely different story that is fully focussed on a much bigger and dangerous foe? Even to set up next season? That seems like bad fan fiction to me.

I’m not against bringing him in, but this method would be the worst introduction to him, to the detriment of both him and the current story as things get crammed in needlessly.

Not really, if Menzies was related to Balthazar's change, everything could be linked.

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@"Konig Des Todes.2086" said:Leading an army of spirits doesn't make one close to a god's power. Otherwise you're saying Oswald Thorn, Murakai, Glint, and the Primeval Kings are all close to a god's power.Again don't cut it off, leading an army to challenge a god in his own realm and start a fierce war, certainly is.

You do realize this is exactly what the GW1 PC does, right? I guess that mere mortals are close to a god's power by this definition.

Leaders can have troops that are stronger than themselves. So that argument is flawed.Not true to most of the GW villains, and not likely in this case since their power were mostly granted by him.

Ehhhh. Kudu. Caudecus. Joko, if one overlooks the immortality aspect. Varesh had troops stronger than her (such as The Hunger) until she got her blessing from Abaddon. Arguably Gaheron, since the explorable mode bosses are tougher than him.

I mean, most video games tend to have the main villain as the final antagonist, and the game would be disappointing if the final antagonist is a weakling, but often the "intelligent villains" become challenging due to some recent powerboost of some sort (chomping down on Bloodstones for Caudecus; infusing himself with dragon energy for Kudu; receiving blessings from Abaddon for Varesh) and not because they were always challenging and powerful. Menzies likely falls in this category, otherwise why wouldn't he be on the front lines himself?

Not taking direct action != not taking it seriouslyNot taking direct action is not taking it seriously especially on Balthazar's case.No , it isn't. If he wanted to prolong his entertainment, he would avoid pulling out the big guns (aka himself) until he felt like he needed to in order to win. That's how most overconfident and overpowered individuals looking for entertainment act. They'll manipulate scenarios to watch a "show", only acting when they become close to losing.

A person can still be serious about something, but draw things out due to overconfidence.

Menzies was presented as the tenacious kind that would only take a break, not cease eternally in his goals. Menzies running away wouldn't end the war, it'd only give a respite, and Balthazar would be smart enough to know this.Not really, Menzies is a clever one, again you are biting your tail now.If Menzies never cease to get his goal, then his power must be close to the level of gods otherwise he would not last that long at all.Sure he can, if a) Balthazar wanted to prolong the battle for his own entertainment, b) if Menzies was well hidden, c) Menzies had enough powerful minions to give Balthazar pause, and/or d) he was manipulative enough to give Balthazar and his forces pause.

D is outright stated to be the case in GW1. He's able to manipulate and make Balthazar's troops betray their god they swore devotion to. Regardless of strength, this alone will give Menzies an edge.

Menzies is, to me, presented as the brainiac kind of villain. Where Dhuum is pure force of strength (as was Balthazar), Menzies and Abaddon were presented as shrewd manipulators.

Besides, if Menzies gave up, then how does the title at all relate to Menzies? Plus, if Menzies gave up, he wouldn't even become an antagonist like you initially promote. Sounds like you're biting your own tail (weird expression...) rather than me.Retreat and hide away to plot doesn't mean give up.Then the war wouldn't be over.

The very game provides that mortals can challenge gods.Where? Even Balthazar was stripped out from his power. And even then his death gave a huge boost to Kralkatorrik resulted in world danger.Uhm. Abaddon.

Balthazar was a god who relished challenges. Even if this challenge was a boardgame. It need not be personal combat to entertain him.Again biting your own tail, why would Menzies be a challenge if he's not close to his brother's level? He was not playing a board game with Balthazar, but a war.You seriously have no understanding of the concept that "brain overcomes brawn".

Then the title shouldn't have anything to do with him, since the titles of episodes are about the meat and critical points of the episodes, ever since S2 began. War Eternal will be about the plot of the episode, or a climactic moment in the episode. It's never been used to refer to an individual, object, or place (expansion titles, however, do) since S1.

Besides, with Balthazar gone, there's nothing "eternal" or "war" related to Menzies anymore. At best, a title relating to Menzies would be along the lines of "Shadow of War".Not true, it could be possible and Menzies' goal was always take his brother's position, and Kralkatorrik got part of his brother's strength.Kralkatorrik got part of Balthazar's power that he got from Primordus, Jormag, and the Bloodstone. Balthazar's divinity and position has no relation to Kralkatorrik at all, it was stripped of him well before the events of GW2, after the apparent end of the Eternal Battle and Menzies supposed loss.

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@Randulf.7614 said:Why would they introduce a villain with minimal to no familiarity to the wider player base, with no relation to the game or story in the last 7 years at the end of a completely different story that is fully focussed on a much bigger and dangerous foe? Even to set up next season? That seems like bad fan fiction to me.

I’m not against bringing him in, but this method would be the worst introduction to him, to the detriment of both him and the current story as things get crammed in needlessly.

Not really, if Menzies was related to Balthazar's change, everything could be linked.

I feel like if they introduced Menzies at this point, he would have had to have been at least mentioned during PoF or during Balth's arc, but he hasn't been mentioned or alluded to at all in the entire core, HoT, PoF, or LW seasons, and most players have no idea he even exists because of this lack of mention. Him popping up out of nowhere in the finale would just be too random and out of place. To me he would need at least one LW episode of buildup before becoming significant in the plot. Even Lyssa/Gods got more development than Menzies during LWS3 and PoF and would seem more likely to pop up in the story at this point.

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@Randulf.7614 said:Why would they introduce a villain with minimal to no familiarity to the wider player base, with no relation to the game or story in the last 7 years at the end of a completely different story that is fully focussed on a much bigger and dangerous foe? Even to set up next season? That seems like bad fan fiction to me.

I’m not against bringing him in, but this method would be the worst introduction to him, to the detriment of both him and the current story as things get crammed in needlessly.

Not really, if Menzies was related to Balthazar's change, everything could be linked.

This is clutching at straws desp trying to find a way to bring him in when there is no logic to do so. If he was involved in Balthazar’s downfall, they would have seeded that during the Kormir instance. To suddenly interject a never before mentioned character and make him important given Balthasar’s story is over, is not good writing. I’m not the writing teams biggest fan, but I would hope they would never write something so ridiculous.

Episodes have limited scope and limited time. Tying in a new story and concluding a Dragon story which began over 7 years ago in free prequel book within a single short episode, is not happening unless they want to water down both, especially as there will be more Aurene stuff to tie up.

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@ThatOddOne.4387 said:Menzies is likely dead, killed by Balthazar before he got depowered by the other Gods. We can assume this safely because Balthazar and Menzies were at war, and it was stated that Balthazar had no war to fight which is why he was itching to fight the Dragons, in that case, he must have had already overcome Menzies immediately after the GW1 characters intervene in the Fissure of Woe and help speed along his Eternal's victory.

Menzies was never 'depowered', he and Balthazaar is likely equal in terms of power, hence why the shadow army he had created is able to fight Balthazaar's Eternals for eternity

now that Balthazaar is truly gone, Menzies forces can now finally overrun FoW, which hopefully be the next raid, we need to go into FoW to help out clean up the mess

 

 

or Menzies vent his personal grudge against us and Kalk (for taking Balthzaar's power), because he believes it is him and only him alone have the right to kill Balthazaar and drain his magic

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@crepuscular.9047 said:

@ThatOddOne.4387 said:Menzies is likely dead, killed by Balthazar before he got depowered by the other Gods. We can assume this safely because Balthazar and Menzies were at war, and it was stated that Balthazar had no war to fight which is why he was itching to fight the Dragons, in that case, he must have had already overcome Menzies immediately after the GW1 characters intervene in the Fissure of Woe and help speed along his Eternal's victory.

Menzies was never 'depowered', he and Balthazaar is likely equal in terms of power, hence why the shadow army he had created is able to fight Balthazaar's Eternals for eternity

now that Balthazaar is truly gone, Menzies forces can now finally overrun FoW, which hopefully be the next raid, we need to go into FoW to help out clean up the mess

 

 

or Menzies vent his personal grudge against us and Kalk (for taking Balthzaar's power), because he believes it is him and only him alone have the right to kill Balthazaar and drain his magic

Umh. I wasn’t referring to Menzies with that, give it another read.

Also Menzies wouldn’t have been on Balthazar’s level, Balthazar was a god at the time, Menzies was not.

Menzies has already been defeated and likely killed. That is why Balthazar was bored and wanted to fight the dragons.

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