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I feel like it's just been consistently bad for at least 3-4 seasons now. I quit ranked after last season, and have thus rediscovered enjoyment of the game mode. Sure, I still see a lot of the old plat crowd curbstomping my teams sometimes in unranked, but with the stakes gone it upsets me far less.

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@voltaicbore.8012 said:I feel like it's just been consistently bad for at least 3-4 seasons now. I quit ranked after last season, and have thus rediscovered enjoyment of the game mode. Sure, I still see a lot of the old plat crowd curbstomping my teams sometimes in unranked, but with the stakes gone it upsets me far less.

Ya, I get this. Trying the same... But I want good matches. I can barely use my Firebrand support with these noobs.

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Blade: You need to find a game with players like you who will put in months learning all the intricacies. Have you tried LOL? GW2 was supposed to be the casual and fun mmo. I hate to say it, but the feeling is mutual. Once you really feel that you have this game figured out, then please move on. Here is the flip side to your comment: The quality of play against the high end has never been so discouraging, is there any way to get these gods of pvp into a game where they can find real competition instead of just stomping on the rest of us? Please move on. Whatever you do please don't team up with a shadefire and get your pvp god mode jollies.

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@Exedore.6320 said:When you power creep the game and make it so that spam gameplay is nearly as effective as deep knowledge and nuance, the quality of players will decrease.

why would anyone who actually wants a skill based game play this mess?

i came back for a few days after almost 2 years gone, didn’t last. pvp is powercreeped skillless spam right now, i literally killed people with just arc divider. this game is a joke, & anyone with even half a brain will realise this & quit.

thats why population is low & players suck, it’s a reflection of the quality of the pvp experience.

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@Exedore.6320 said:When you power creep the game and make it so that spam gameplay is nearly as effective as deep knowledge and nuance, the quality of players will decrease.

why would anyone who actually wants a skill based game play this mess?

i came back for a few days after almost 2 years gone, didn’t last. pvp is powercreeped skillless spam right now, i literally killed people with just arc divider. this game is a joke, & anyone with even half a brain will realise this & quit.

thats why population is low & players suck, it’s a reflection of the quality of the pvp experience.

I agree completely here, but god damn... The combat system in GW2 is a million miles better than anything else out there.

Nothing.

Comes.

Close.

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@Exedore.6320 said:When you power creep the game and make it so that spam gameplay is nearly as effective as deep knowledge and nuance, the quality of players will decrease.

why would anyone who actually wants a skill based game play this mess?

i came back for a few days after almost 2 years gone, didn’t last. pvp is powercreeped skillless spam right now, i literally killed people with just arc divider. this game is a joke, & anyone with even half a brain will realise this & quit.

thats why population is low & players suck, it’s a reflection of the quality of the pvp experience.

I agree completely here, but god kitten... The combat system in GW2 is a million miles better than anything else out there.

Nothing.

Comes.

Close.

no

gw2 pre trait rework into specialisations was good combat

all the nuances of that combat system have been ruined by powercreep. gw2 in it’s current state has some of the worst pvp out there. it’s an absolute joke

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Everyone is too busy attacking their own team in chat to spend the time to offer any advice. And the players being advised are too bitter because of all the bickering they have experienced in the game to actually take any criticism. A lot of good players I know left the game because of how anti-fun fighting a lot of classes are too, likely to be replaced by new players who fall into the same cycle.

If everyone tried to help each other get better rather than complaining about how bad their match is going, then I believe the quality of matches would improve sooner or later right? Maybe wishful thinking though. I think most players no longer have the patience to help or wait for others to improve.

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@Exedore.6320 said:When you power creep the game and make it so that spam gameplay is nearly as effective as deep knowledge and nuance, the quality of players will decrease.

why would anyone who actually wants a skill based game play this mess?

i came back for a few days after almost 2 years gone, didn’t last. pvp is powercreeped skillless spam right now, i literally killed people with just arc divider. this game is a joke, & anyone with even half a brain will realise this & quit.

thats why population is low & players suck, it’s a reflection of the quality of the pvp experience.

I've witness far too many quality players leaving this game in its toxic state that it becomes a parody comedy. I really tried to convinced them that things will turn around in a healthy way but Truth does not lie. Toxicity-Power Creep, +1 shotting with bad design/mechanics/skills are not avoidable.

Not too long ago; there were several competitive game players were watching live the no-down state event' with some Gw2 streamers; i was included. They all came in same agreement; the game doesn't look healthy and competitive.

Questions they were asking during the live streamings were?

Why other players are being +1 shotted including tank classes?

Why a Thief class can make so many mistakes with having so many stealths and teleports and not be punished for it?

Why a clone class can endlessly spam its clones without having cool-downs?

Why tanks classes -warrior have God-Mode Defence and God Mode Offense at the same time?

Why a Healer class can spike high damages and still survive without a sweat?

Where are the classes roles in this game?

Why is this mess being ok for competitive player's and skill players to stay in the game?

I in the other had can not make any objection to these questions because all evidences are there because we ourselves witness and experience the same toxic negative impact

As i numerous times have stated; the toxic negative impact of the game imbalances are spreading mainstream in media channels including to word of mouth. And when they come to witness it for themselves; the effect multiplies and spreads even more.

(In other word; as long the game remain in its toxic state; it is doing its own bidding of damaging its reputation) such tragedy

I do not like when i hear other games bad mouthing this game but what can i do? Some will still be curious to witness for themselves and to even experience it and will leave to tell others of their toxic negative experiences. Do you see the repetitive endless cycle here?

You ask is there any hope for this game? What can we do to improve the players?

Evidences Tells All Truth

--i really do want the best for the game but the game isn't helping itself--

(have a good day)

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I am not sure any mmo is really doing PVP well. > @bladezero.9470 said:

@"Exedore.6320" said:When you power creep the game and make it so that spam gameplay is nearly as effective as deep knowledge and nuance, the quality of players will decrease.

why would anyone who actually wants a skill based game play this mess?

i came back for a few days after almost 2 years gone, didn’t last. pvp is powercreeped skillless spam right now, i literally killed people with just arc divider. this game is a joke, & anyone with even half a brain will realise this & quit.

thats why population is low & players suck, it’s a reflection of the quality of the pvp experience.

I agree completely here, but god kitten... The combat system in GW2 is a million miles better than anything else out there.

Nothing.

Comes.

Close.

What specifically is great about it?

  • melee attacks go through walls
  • a rock on the ground can break LOS
  • you can be knocked into walls
  • the attack animations don't match where the damage is occurring
  • does anyone really like stealth implementation in this game?
  • mindless aoe spam is more rewarding than picking appropriate targets
  • flashing lights and pulsing red circles for every attack
  • useless traits and skill that no one takes
  • some classes barely have 1 viable build when some have 2-3 great/meta tier builds

We can dodge? We can jump?

Bots are in PvP.

I don't even know if GW2 makes the top of lists for MMO PVP, but there are worse out there for sure.

The thing is, some of those "lessers", while the still have probably the same complaints, are much more populated. That means they have more people to fight.

If circle quest is your best, then this is what you get.

Have you seen any initiatives to really make this game mode awesome?

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@"Burnfall.9573" said:

I've witness far too many quality players leaving this game in its toxic state that it becomes a parody comedy. I really tried to convinced them that things will turn around in a healthy way but Truth does not lie. Toxicity-Power Creep, +1 shotting with bad design/mechanics/skills are not avoidable.

Not too long ago; there were several competitive game players who watching live the no-down state event' with some Gw2 streamers; i was included. They all came in agreement that the game doesn't look healthy and competitive.

Questions many of us had asked and continuously asking are;

Why other players are being +1 shotted including tank classes?

Getting "+1" and "1 shot" are two separate things but I assume you mean the latter. When people get one shot it usually happens for one or multiple reasons.

  • They were not paying attention
  • They miss timed their dodge/block/evade
  • They thought they had a skill but it was actually on CD
  • They don't understand how the other profession's burst works.
  • They think since they are tanky they are immune to damage.
  • Their build isn't good.

Why a Thief class can make so many mistakes with having so many stealths and teleports and not be punished for it?

If thief didn't have tools such as stealth, teleports, and evades it would be worthless. It can be punished the same as any other profession when it makes a mistake. Even more so usually since it can be harder to recover from mistakes on thief than a lot of other professions. If you want to beat a thief just lock them down at the end of an evade frame and time your active defenses well (aegis, evades, blocks). If you want an example of something that can shut down a thief spend a while playing dragon hunter or any guardian build really.

Why a clone class can endlessly spam its clones without having cool-downs?

There is a cooldown but its essentially the same response that I gave you about thief. If they can't produce clones they have no damage/defense so it's essential for them to produce them reliably. Without clones they would just be some dude running around in robes with a low health pool. Cleave their clones, avoid their major burst

Why tanks classes -warrior have God-Mode Defence and God Mode Offense at the same time?

They have mediocre defense and mediocre offense if they trait for both. If they build in the favor of one or the other they will be severely lacking in the other. It's easy to be mediocre at warrior but it's actually pretty difficult to be really good at them. They can be fairly easily kited, well timed unblockable attacks can completely shut them down, having good poison uptime really hampers their passive healing and best of all just avoid their burst skills. Not to mention their high damage skills have very obvious tells so you should be able to avoid them.

Why a Healer class can spike high damages and still survive without a sweat?

Where are classes roles in this game?

The game very specifically advertises itself as a game without class roles. They do not intended for there to be a holy trinity. Professions are suppose to bring variety and different play styles and not be required to fill roles. Other than a few modes and considering how hard it is break away from the norm they do fairly well at this.

Why is this mess being ok for competitive player?s

There are defiantly problems that need to be addressed but I think you're blowing them way out of proportion. The game is far from unplayable or it wouldn't have as large a player base as it does. Since it is playable that means they are doing more stuff right than wrong. I don't think it's their goal any more to make it a competitive game. Complaining about why it's not competitive would be like complaining that God of War has bad competitive design. They keep in the game for people who enjoy it but it's no longer the goal of the game.

I in the other had can not make any objection to these questions because all evidences are there.

As i numerous times have stated; the toxic negative impact of the game imbalances are spreading mainstream in media channels including to word of mouth.

I do not like when i hear other games bad mouthing this game but what can i do?

Explain to them it's actually a really good game and give them examples of why you enjoy playing it.

You ask is there any hope for this game?

Evidences Does Not Deny The Truth

(have a good day)

The only thing I hope is that the game continues to improve. It's not in a bad state at all. They just need to make their vision more clear to the player. What anet really sucks at is transparency.

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My experience with other mmo pvp is limited, but from what I've seen, I actually like GW2's combat the best. Which isn't saying much, because it's essentially the same as me saying "I like this piece of junk car better than the other junk cars in the lot, because all the other ones are still on fire."

But at least in GW2 I feel like I can find a useful role for any class I choose, and I can usually run from any fight that I can't win. That means a lot, and it doesn't happen in other games, where balance is an even worse joke than it can be in GW2 at times.

I think the fundamental problem is, as others have mentioned, GW2's rightful identity as a more casual mmo. I can't think of any other game where there was such an outcry about releasing one new tier of gear and raids. The casual nature of so many of our fellow GW2 players is fine with me, so long as I don't have to deal with them. PvE lets me avoid having my time wasted by such people, but sorrowfully low sPvP population means those people get to populate a competitive mode.

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@White Kitsunee.4620 said:I really wanna go back on the forums to this mythical post specialization update pre HoT release, to see if people actually liked it back then or if we are all advocating for something that wasn't that great to begin with.

sadly old forums were deleted, & we didn’t know the game was going to go as far downhill as it did. so we weren’t aware we were playing peak gw2 pvp at the time, although most pvp vets can see this in hindsight.

what you can do is watch games before the June 2015 trait update, & compare them w current gw2. there are ton of tournaments on youtube from back in the day, as pvp had a much more active & supported scene back then (we had world tournaments, prize money, all sorts). if you watch them you’ll notice a lot less boon spam & 10k+ crits. fights aren’t about rotating invuns & spiking 20K in one skill. it’s almost like a totally different game.

i know myself, & everyone else i know who quit this game would come back for a retro 2015 server. gw2 early 2015 was excellent

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@choovanski.5462 said:

@Exedore.6320 said:When you power creep the game and make it so that spam gameplay is nearly as effective as deep knowledge and nuance, the quality of players will decrease.

why would anyone who actually wants a skill based game play this mess?

Because it's the best MMO combat out there by far. Everything else about the game just happens to suck but we're too addicted to quit for good.

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IMO the biggest thing eroding the playerbase at the top is the top players. They want short queue times, and they make alts with tanked ratings so they can queue snipe other top players.

In NA it has gotten so bad that if you are gold 3 you will consistently be in matches with people with relentless legend or higher titles. That is a very big skill gap and is not fun to play against. Hence more people either tank so they don't have to put up with them, or stop playing all together.

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@Exedore.6320 said:When you power creep the game and make it so that spam gameplay is nearly as effective as deep knowledge and nuance, the quality of players will decrease.

why would anyone who actually wants a skill based game play this mess?

Because it's the best MMO combat out there by far. Everything else about the game just happens to suck but we're too addicted to quit for good.

This.

All.

Day.

Long.

Someone please help! Point me to another PvP mmo with even half the potential of GW2.

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@bladezero.9470 said:

@Exedore.6320 said:When you power creep the game and make it so that spam gameplay is nearly as effective as deep knowledge and nuance, the quality of players will decrease.

why would anyone who actually wants a skill based game play this mess?

Because it's the best MMO combat out there by far. Everything else about the game just happens to suck but we're too addicted to quit for good.

This.

All.

Day.

Long.

Someone please help! Point me to another PvP mmo with even half the potential of GW2.

What currently active mmorpg games with pvp have you played?

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Reading some of the comments, I'd like to point out that the quality of the playerbase can be very low in League of Legends nowadays (just as it could be before, of course). I happen to play at an average level (gold division, EUW server), and half of my matches have been elo hell with my teammates not even trying to care about the game.Personally, I find GW 2 PvP more enjoyable than LoL for a number of reasons, as well as its playerbase (at least in higher gold I'm currently in). Sure, there are some bad matches, but they can happen in any game. For what it's worth, in GW 2 I see way less players who are outright trolling or throwing games out of spite.

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@Airdive.2613 said:Reading some of the comments, I'd like to point out that the quality of the playerbase can be very low in League of Legends nowadays (just as it could be before, of course). I happen to play at an average level (gold division, EUW server), and half of my matches have been elo hell with my teammates not even trying to care about the game.Personally, I find GW 2 PvP more enjoyable than LoL for a number of reasons, as well as its playerbase (at least in higher gold I'm currently in). Sure, there are some bad matches, but they can happen in any game. For what it's worth, in GW 2 I see way less players who are outright trolling or throwing games out of spite.

You won the MMR lottery bud. Hope your luck lasts.

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@Crab Fear.1624 said:I am not sure any mmo is really doing PVP well. > @bladezero.9470 said:

@"Exedore.6320" said:When you power creep the game and make it so that spam gameplay is nearly as effective as deep knowledge and nuance, the quality of players will decrease.

why would anyone who actually wants a skill based game play this mess?

i came back for a few days after almost 2 years gone, didn’t last. pvp is powercreeped skillless spam right now, i literally killed people with just arc divider. this game is a joke, & anyone with even half a brain will realise this & quit.

thats why population is low & players suck, it’s a reflection of the quality of the pvp experience.

I agree completely here, but god kitten... The combat system in GW2 is a million miles better than anything else out there.

Nothing.

Comes.

Close.

What specifically is great about it?
  • melee attacks go through walls
  • a rock on the ground can break LOS
  • you can be knocked into walls
  • the attack animations don't match where the damage is occurring
  • does anyone really like stealth implementation in this game?
  • mindless aoe spam is more rewarding than picking appropriate targets
  • flashing lights and pulsing red circles for every attack
  • useless traits and skill that no one takes
  • some classes barely have 1 viable build when some have 2-3 great/meta tier builds

We can dodge? We can jump?

Bots are in PvP.

I don't even know if GW2 makes the top of lists for MMO PVP, but there are worse out there for sure.

The thing is, some of those "lessers", while the still have probably the same complaints, are much more populated. That means they have more people to fight.

If circle quest is your best, then this is what you get.

Have you seen any initiatives to really make this game mode awesome?

Specifically when comparing it to other MMORPGs, it's still the best.

I had recently went looking for other MMORPGs to dabble in, and I had found only disappointment.

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