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how is it possible? how do I rank if this is matchmaking?

I just want to understand. how is it possible for me to be plat3 and to be teammed with players much lower than me (gold) and that instead I'm versus players platinum 2/3 ... obviously if I lose I will lose 23 points and if I win I will take 7 but I'm not in a group with gold players .. matchmaking automatically puts me in a team with gold and versus platinum people ... there is no game because obviously a player who is in gold is not as strong as one in platinum. ... (just look at the puncture of the matches) and more if I lose I lost 23 points..I think it's ridiculous to the point ... I hope for your answer thanks

Answers

  • @zombyturtle.5980 said:
    theres just not enough ppl playing ranked to have fair matches.

    yes but not justifies the fact that I have to play with gold and versus platinum people .... and above all does not justify the fact that nevertheless should lose 23 points .... if you put me in a team with lower people then take off half of half of the points if I lose .. and if I win the same ... one thing is if I have to play in party whit low player .. anothe thing a is if the matchmaking puts me alone for lack of player.
    an option is:
    give bonuses to those who play well ... so if you made a statistic, 2 or 3 based on how you played instead of losing points or you lose less or even earn ... otherwise all this makes no sense

  • zombyturtle.5980zombyturtle.5980 Member ✭✭✭

    PVP is fun to mess around with friends in unranked. IDK how people can take ranked seriously. There is no true matchmaking since theres barely enough people to fill a queue and balance is just a mess half the time. Combine that with 3 month windows between patches and ppl will just give up.

  • Gamble.4580Gamble.4580 Member ✭✭✭

    Pvp won’t ever get better because of the skill gap. It’s not noob friendly so new player don’t stick around long ofc due to match makeing. They get half their games vs players who have a very high skill floor and new players don’t stick and go to wvw

  • Exedore.6320Exedore.6320 Member ✭✭✭

    @GuildSimplyDavis.7852 said:

    @zombyturtle.5980 said:
    theres just not enough ppl playing ranked to have fair matches.

    yes but not justifies the fact that I have to play with gold and versus platinum people ....

    You have two options:
    1. Play with people from gold
    2. Don't play at all (just sit in queue forever)
    Which do you want?

  • yanniell.1236yanniell.1236 Member ✭✭✭
    edited April 29, 2019

    I wouldn't mind a queue of 10 minutes, instead of 5 minutes, if that put me in a balanced game.

    But at this point, I can't even care anymore. I just figure out after the first minutes if the matchmaking put me in the winning or losing team, and just stop to care from that point forward for the rest of the match.

  • EnderzShadow.2506EnderzShadow.2506 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @ReaverKane.7598 said:
    True answer? It isn't.

    PvP is dead and gone, and people saying otherwise are just fooling themselves. Arena Net did this to the game, and sadly, the person in charge of that mishandling is still in charge, so there's no perspective for a change.
    I'd recomend you doing what i did and find a different game for your PvP fix.

    I don't know of another MMO that has better pvp.
    Kind of funny, you get your pvp fix from another game, yet here you are on the PvP Forums of GW2.
    Odd, isn't it?

    mhm, ok, sure, whatever you say, no after you, I insist, no really, please, be my guest,

  • ReaverKane.7598ReaverKane.7598 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @EnderzShadow.2506 said:

    @ReaverKane.7598 said:
    True answer? It isn't.

    PvP is dead and gone, and people saying otherwise are just fooling themselves. Arena Net did this to the game, and sadly, the person in charge of that mishandling is still in charge, so there's no perspective for a change.
    I'd recomend you doing what i did and find a different game for your PvP fix.

    I don't know of another MMO that has better pvp.
    Kind of funny, you get your pvp fix from another game, yet here you are on the PvP Forums of GW2.
    Odd, isn't it?

    Better PvP? Many other MMORPGs in the world have better and more healthy PvP. If you mean a better combat system, i'd have to agree there.
    But here's the question: Do you want to have a terrible experience in PvP just because the combat system is good? Or would you rather play in a better PvP system, with a "worse" combat system?
    Me, i chose the later, and i've been getting my PvP fix in LoL and Apex. I'm also trying out Albion online, and it looks like a fun game, with open world PvP, GVG and Faction Wars.

    To be honest, i came by the post from the "Discussions" tab, because honestly, good luck in finding a solution to PvP in GW2, so i don't care much about the game mode, but the title piqued my interest and i checked it out. That's pretty much how i got involved in just about any PvP discussion in the last year and a half, from the "Discussions" tab.

  • @Exedore.6320 said:

    @GuildSimplyDavis.7852 said:

    @zombyturtle.5980 said:
    theres just not enough ppl playing ranked to have fair matches.

    yes but not justifies the fact that I have to play with gold and versus platinum people ....

    You have two options:
    1. Play with people from gold
    2. Don't play at all (just sit in queue forever)
    Which do you want?

    I know I don't speak for everyone, but i'd pick 2 everytime. I think those queue times are bit overstated. Sure it'd take longer to match people against similarly structured teams with all plat players, but I see a ton of plat badges in the lobby and in open world in general. They gotta queue up eventually to keep that rank. I don't mind waiting an extra 5 minutes if it means a more fair and fun game for everyone where you get more points for winning, and a more fair amount for losing.

    I'm with the op in that I don't want to get into a game full of golds to play through some blowout win/loss and get barely anything for it should it be a win, or lose enough to go about repeating the process twice just to earn back what I lost from one boring, terrible, awful match.

    Heck, if there were a capper in how far apart two rating could be matched it might stop or at the very least slow down the off-hour wintrading. Bring some of those leaderboard winrates down from 80%. Would stop the top 25 Duos rolling uncontested at lower levels too, even if every plat player still has to deal with them, but at least then they have to play against people of a more similar ranking.

    Remove Ranked DuoQ pls&ty

  • Ziggityzog.7389Ziggityzog.7389 Member ✭✭✭✭

    If you like to pvp for killing other toons and not for rewards. All your life's worries will go away when you switch to unranked.

    During the season all the trash moves it's way into ranked for the rewards. Wintraders with alts, hackers, bots, and pve reward hunter afks.

    Best option is to do what I didn in season 7 and quit ranked all together. In unranked you get a afk or DC every 10 - 20 games or so. Not every other match like ranked.

    Ranked is just a joke on the community where you wont make top unless you wintrade your way there like the rest. Not worth the time

  • DoomNexus.5324DoomNexus.5324 Member ✭✭✭

    @zombyturtle.5980 said:
    PVP is fun to mess around with friends in unranked. IDK how people can take ranked seriously. There is no true matchmaking since theres barely enough people to fill a queue and balance is just a mess half the time.

    This is the worst and the most common argument in relation to pvp complaints imo. Basically you are telling ppl to just leave ranked Q because there are not enough ppl in ranked Q which in return would cause even less ppl going into ranked Q. Shouldn't we do the opposite and promote going into ranked so it gets more populated and becomes actually enjoyable again instead? I mean your point with friends in unranked is viable because ranked only has duo Q but if I remember correctly there won't be a premade team Q because the playerbase is low.. it's just a vicious cycle. The easy solution would be to just leave ye but I mean we are all still here so shouldn't we start doing the opposite?

  • ahahahahahah how ridiculous is this game ???? it makes you win a game clearly to be taken for granted ... and it makes you lose one clearly to be taken for granted .... in the team with gold against the "best of the best" if you can call it that, but looking only at the rank against people is 17 and takes away 19 points ahahahahahahhaahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahaah ANET WAKE UP YOU ARE TOO MUCH RIDICULOUS

    https://imgur.com/pvYhcw9

    it is as if the system has already decided at the beginning of the season where I have to position myself and so with everyone..then you will go up a tot and you will go down a tot .... and you are obliged to play for the decay ... but on what base decided ??? what kind of game is ??? anet u make me laugh sooo hard...... RIDICOLOUS

    INCREDIBLE AS MANY PLAYERS ARE READY OF THE SAME THING and you do nothing ..... think about changing the coliseum in the worst possible way .. to give the possibility to build trolls to be even more effective .... I keep asking if you do to kitten off people or you're really kitten....and of course you don't answer any of the questions asked to which everyone wants an answer

  • bravan.3876bravan.3876 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited April 30, 2019

    Thats what i think happend with matchmaking (no science, it is just how it feels for me):

    They messed up the matchmaking in S2 where ppl with average (like a completely new account) and above average account mmr could get 85 winstreaks right to legend. Matches were so unbalanced that the weaker team got keepfarmed 500:0 in a lot of matches. Basic plan of this was to make sure ppl get to the division they belong fast to avoid unsatisfying matches for noobs who get farmed and higher skilled ppl who have no challenging matches. It went so wrong it was ridiculous. They tried to correct this insane matchmanipulating matchmaking system in S3 to some less uneven teammatchups but somehow they never got it fixed to not manipulating anymore. You now have totally predictable artificial win- and lose streaks. You get to your rating sooner or later but when your account got a lower hidden account mmr for whatever reasons you have to grind asf through unwinabale matches way more and not everyone is in the mood to grind that many matches through that many undeserved loses with bad quality matches to make it to plat3 or legend. During that you also then have to deal with trolls and wintraders throwing matches on purpose. Wintrader often doesn't even dc anymore to make it less obvious, so you lose rating in addition to your time and love for pvp in gw2.

    There are maybe not enough ppl to get 2 teams of ppl with a rating not too far away from each other but there are for sure still enough ppl to at least give ppl the same amount of low skilled/ high skilled player to make less uneven/ unwinable matches. But often you see 2 higher rated duos on same team vs 5 randoms without even higher rank. It is still the old S2 matchmanipulation matchmaking working here, carrying ppl to higher rating with a self-fulfilling prophecy mechanic.

    One other problem is that it seems mm looks only for average team mmr. Means when you are in plat 3/ legend unlucky playing at a time no enough ppl with that rating are online (don't even need to be in the middle of the night or early morning) he get like silvers he is supposed to carry vs a full gold team just because the gold team doesn't have a plat rated player. That is just not working. The Plat 3 player then get -30 for a lose or +5 for a win in case he somehow could fly around the map being everywhere at same time to prevent his silver teammates to get farmed by the golds even 4v2.

    Bit overdoing examples to make it plain. As said you still can get where you belong but it can need a long time / a lot of matches, just as someone with a hidden account mmr above his skill lvl (and yes that happens, maybe from wintrading, maybe being lucky in the first 20-50 ranked matches of the account, carried by a stronger duo or whatever, i actually would like to see how matchmaking creates the hidden acc mmr compared to the visible season rating on lb and from what it get affected how much etc. , because that is what the matchmanipulation- self-fulfilling prophecy matchmaking is based on i think). Just like in S2 you can be on the lucky side of this (being carried by matchmaking for a long time, thats why you see quite some ppl with higher titles they would deserve by skill aside from wintrading) or the unlucky side (so you have to grind a lot to get to where you deserve to be) or none of both. But there is clearly something wrong and too artificial too much of a self-fulfilling prophecy thing running with the matchmaking since S2 and it has nothing to do with too less ppl in same rating-range playing at same time. That just get on the top of it.

    "playing revenant is borderline exploiting" - up condimirage 2k18

  • the system does an adequate job of providing matches with what it is given and until more people feel the need or want to queue for ranked play the quality of those said matches will remain as they are.

  • TorQ.7041TorQ.7041 Member ✭✭✭

    @yanniell.1236 said:
    I wouldn't mind a queue of 10 minutes, instead of 5 minutes, if that put me in a balanced game.

    But at this point, I can't even care anymore. I just figure out after the first minutes if the matchmaking put me in the winning or losing team, and just stop to care from that point forward for the rest of the match.

    Except that. That's just all in your head. I had games where we were down 250 n my team started to call wintrade n cry about the other team members. Oh I am plat blabla u all noobs, but in actuality every 1 in that match was plat. I just said hey just keep playing. We then caught up n won 500-450.

    I hate it when it's a game where ppl just give up. Some times the team just needs to adjust to the other team.

  • zombyturtle.5980zombyturtle.5980 Member ✭✭✭

    @DoomNexus.5324 said:

    @zombyturtle.5980 said:
    PVP is fun to mess around with friends in unranked. IDK how people can take ranked seriously. There is no true matchmaking since theres barely enough people to fill a queue and balance is just a mess half the time.

    This is the worst and the most common argument in relation to pvp complaints imo. Basically you are telling ppl to just leave ranked Q because there are not enough ppl in ranked Q which in return would cause even less ppl going into ranked Q. Shouldn't we do the opposite and promote going into ranked so it gets more populated and becomes actually enjoyable again instead? I mean your point with friends in unranked is viable because ranked only has duo Q but if I remember correctly there won't be a premade team Q because the playerbase is low.. it's just a vicious cycle. The easy solution would be to just leave ye but I mean we are all still here so shouldn't we start doing the opposite?

    If it was balanced and enjoyable for most ppl sure. Its definitly not balanced. Enjoyable is subjective but I dont really find it fun so I wouldnt encourage people to go play.

  • Balsa.3951Balsa.3951 Member ✭✭✭

    Anet creates a kind of gamble system in the end the bank always wins. Win win oh I’m good let’s play again loose loose loose loose how ? I m sure I’m not suddenly so bad loose win yay win yay I’m back

    Loose loose the circle repeats

  • FyzE.3472FyzE.3472 Member ✭✭✭✭

    You don't.

  • Crab Fear.1624Crab Fear.1624 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited April 30, 2019

    Ranked is for roleplay. I know this cause I watched the Vallun videos, good fantasy stuff and such. But, then some people roleplay that they are a great player amongst millions. Best thing to do at that point is know your "role". Mine is hot and buttered.

    Soon™ ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

  • Faux Play.6104Faux Play.6104 Member ✭✭✭

    The big problem is a large fraction of the top players manipulate the queuing system and matchmaker so they don't have to play against other top players.

    IMO they should run ATs every hour or two, and count this for ratings. Also, they should significantly limit the rating range for making teams. While the tryhards at the top of the rating system will have longer queue times, they can pick their own teams and just do ATs.

  • Faux Play.6104Faux Play.6104 Member ✭✭✭

    @DoomNexus.5324 said:

    @zombyturtle.5980 said:
    PVP is fun to mess around with friends in unranked. IDK how people can take ranked seriously. There is no true matchmaking since theres barely enough people to fill a queue and balance is just a mess half the time.

    This is the worst and the most common argument in relation to pvp complaints imo. Basically you are telling ppl to just leave ranked Q because there are not enough ppl in ranked Q which in return would cause even less ppl going into ranked Q. Shouldn't we do the opposite and promote going into ranked so it gets more populated and becomes actually enjoyable again instead? I mean your point with friends in unranked is viable because ranked only has duo Q but if I remember correctly there won't be a premade team Q because the playerbase is low.. it's just a vicious cycle. The easy solution would be to just leave ye but I mean we are all still here so shouldn't we start doing the opposite?

    I think it is just reality. The game is 5+ years old, it offers legendary armor as a reward, and it is pretty complicated to pick up. There is not going to be a large influx of people that are going to spend the effort to play at a plat 2/3 level.

  • This is radical, but would it be beneficial at this point to just do away with separate Ranked/Unranked queues? That would help bring the entire PvP population together, allowing the matchmaking system to function better (because more people in one system), and possibly reduce queue times as well. For practice, experiments, and casual fun there are still custom arenas.

  • Aridon.8362Aridon.8362 Member ✭✭✭
    edited May 8, 2019

    I started in t2 gold, and thanks to some donkeys I lost 15 matches in a row during the weekend, and ended up in t3 silver, then after the weekend I came back up to t3 gold. Just avoid playing during the weekend like the plague, weekend players are evil and will destroy your rating with stupidity. I literally had a team where all a guy did was go far and die to the same person the whole match.

    Also in gold people will willingly sacrifice themselves. Grade A commit suicide (1v4) for no reason and when you yell at them about it, they do it again! You can't fight stupid man! You just cant! I've had matches where 4 people would go to home to kill one guy, other matches where the guy kills the guy on point but doesn't cap the point, and this is in ranked! Remember, you can't fight stupid, some people are determined to fail!

  • James.1065James.1065 Member ✭✭✭

    @Aridon.8362 said:
    I started in t2 gold, and thanks to some donkeys I lost 15 matches in a row during the weekend, and ended up in t3 silver, then after the weekend I came back up to t3 gold. Just avoid playing during the weekend like the plague, weekend players are evil and will destroy your rating with stupidity. I literally had a team where all a guy did was go far and die to the same person the whole match.

    Also in gold people will willingly sacrifice themselves. Grade A commit suicide (1v4) for no reason and when you yell at them about it, they do it again! You can't fight stupid man! You just cant! I've had matches where 4 people would go to home to kill one guy, other matches where the guy kills the guy on point but doesn't cap the point, and this is in ranked! Remember, you can't fight stupid, some people are determined to fail!

    On the other side of the coin, you lost 15 games and the players on the other team won 15 and had a great weekend, and will say ONLY PLAY WEEKENDS there are more noobs to farm!

    There is always two sides of the story :)

  • Aridon.8362Aridon.8362 Member ✭✭✭

    @James.1065 said:

    @Aridon.8362 said:
    I started in t2 gold, and thanks to some donkeys I lost 15 matches in a row during the weekend, and ended up in t3 silver, then after the weekend I came back up to t3 gold. Just avoid playing during the weekend like the plague, weekend players are evil and will destroy your rating with stupidity. I literally had a team where all a guy did was go far and die to the same person the whole match.

    Also in gold people will willingly sacrifice themselves. Grade A commit suicide (1v4) for no reason and when you yell at them about it, they do it again! You can't fight stupid man! You just cant! I've had matches where 4 people would go to home to kill one guy, other matches where the guy kills the guy on point but doesn't cap the point, and this is in ranked! Remember, you can't fight stupid, some people are determined to fail!

    On the other side of the coin, you lost 15 games and the players on the other team won 15 and had a great weekend, and will say ONLY PLAY WEEKENDS there are more noobs to farm!

    There is always two sides of the story :)

    you clearly didn't read everything I wrote.

  • @Aridon.8362 said:
    I started in t2 gold, and thanks to some donkeys I lost 15 matches in a row during the weekend, and ended up in t3 silver, then after the weekend I came back up to t3 gold. Just avoid playing during the weekend like the plague, weekend players are evil and will destroy your rating with stupidity. I literally had a team where all a guy did was go far and die to the same person the whole match.

    Also in gold people will willingly sacrifice themselves. Grade A commit suicide (1v4) for no reason and when you yell at them about it, they do it again! You can't fight stupid man! You just cant! I've had matches where 4 people would go to home to kill one guy, other matches where the guy kills the guy on point but doesn't cap the point, and this is in ranked! Remember, you can't fight stupid, some people are determined to fail!

    Take a break after you lose a few games, or play in unranked. IMO losing in 15 rounds in a row is just stupid, climbing takes twice as much time and effort... otherwise you are right matchmaking on weekends is 100 gamble.

  • Griever.8150Griever.8150 Member ✭✭✭

    If you don't duo queue at this point ranked games are just a coin toss.

  • Aridon.8362Aridon.8362 Member ✭✭✭

    @LegendaVagyok.9132 said:

    @Aridon.8362 said:
    I started in t2 gold, and thanks to some donkeys I lost 15 matches in a row during the weekend, and ended up in t3 silver, then after the weekend I came back up to t3 gold. Just avoid playing during the weekend like the plague, weekend players are evil and will destroy your rating with stupidity. I literally had a team where all a guy did was go far and die to the same person the whole match.

    Also in gold people will willingly sacrifice themselves. Grade A commit suicide (1v4) for no reason and when you yell at them about it, they do it again! You can't fight stupid man! You just cant! I've had matches where 4 people would go to home to kill one guy, other matches where the guy kills the guy on point but doesn't cap the point, and this is in ranked! Remember, you can't fight stupid, some people are determined to fail!

    Take a break after you lose a few games, or play in unranked. IMO losing in 15 rounds in a row is just stupid, climbing takes twice as much time and effort... otherwise you are right matchmaking on weekends is 100 gamble.

    I mean different people have different experiences, personally I've seen more mindful players in unranked than ranked, but yeah I agree at that point it's best to take a break. I just like the game too much to stop. ;x

  • James.1065James.1065 Member ✭✭✭

    @Aridon.8362 said:

    @James.1065 said:

    @Aridon.8362 said:
    I started in t2 gold, and thanks to some donkeys I lost 15 matches in a row during the weekend, and ended up in t3 silver, then after the weekend I came back up to t3 gold. Just avoid playing during the weekend like the plague, weekend players are evil and will destroy your rating with stupidity. I literally had a team where all a guy did was go far and die to the same person the whole match.

    Also in gold people will willingly sacrifice themselves. Grade A commit suicide (1v4) for no reason and when you yell at them about it, they do it again! You can't fight stupid man! You just cant! I've had matches where 4 people would go to home to kill one guy, other matches where the guy kills the guy on point but doesn't cap the point, and this is in ranked! Remember, you can't fight stupid, some people are determined to fail!

    On the other side of the coin, you lost 15 games and the players on the other team won 15 and had a great weekend, and will say ONLY PLAY WEEKENDS there are more noobs to farm!

    There is always two sides of the story :)

    you clearly didn't read everything I wrote.

    This is what I read:

    @Aridon.8362 said:

    I started in t2 gold, and thanks to some donkeys I lost 15 matches in a row during the weekend, and ended up in t3 silver, then after the weekend I came back up to t3 gold. Just avoid playing during the weekend like the plague, weekend players are evil and will destroy your rating with stupidity. I literally had a team where all a guy did was go far and die to the same person the whole match.

    So what did I miss?

  • Dhemize.8649Dhemize.8649 Member ✭✭✭
    edited May 11, 2019

    I don't fully understand how matchmaking works with ratings. It seems like there are ways to game the system that I haven't confirmed.

    Example:
    When two people join as a team. One is high ranking (and rightfully so) and the other is not yet ranked or intentionally very low (he's still as good as his partner though). Does the match consist of lower quality players for them to steamroll or do they fight higher ranks? Even if it averaged their ranks they would ideally still be getting easy wins.

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