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  • Genesis.8572Genesis.8572 Member ✭✭✭

    Fixing the issue with the spirit shards and experience bar would do wonders.

  • ixora.3569ixora.3569 Member ✭✭

    @Ayakaru.6583 said:
    While I'm no fan of time gating as it feels arbitrary, i don't think it's as bad as a lot of people make it out to be.
    They're just preventing people from being done on day 1.
    I mean, even the story could be finished by in an hour.

    Maybe next time they shouldn't say that the mount is available "today" and just be real with us honestly.

  • RizelStar.3724RizelStar.3724 Member ✭✭✭

    That’s true, I’d argue gold is better than timegate yet wouldn’t be 100% needed either. The idea of the collection being tied to a unique skin would’ve been a good.

  • Ghostrider.6879Ghostrider.6879 Member ✭✭
    edited May 15, 2019

    I had little to no reason to login in the past few months because nothing is really happening and I don't like SAB stuff.
    Now that they gave me a little bit of incentive to login and a goal to work towards. I am actually quite happy about that.
    That said I've been playing quite a lot of warframe lately, which took "timegate" and "grinding" to a whole new level.

  • Terminal.5093Terminal.5093 Member ✭✭
    edited May 15, 2019

    Shutting down the entire section of community who have max masteries from gaining xp and spirit shards for multiple days is ridiculous and unnecessary. I don't care if the mount is time gated, but if it's going to mess up my entire play experience, forcing me to do it asap above everything else, it bothers me a lot.

    It should just be hidden until you can actually unlock it. Forcing people to not get any xp for days makes no sense and is a poor design that doesn't consider the players at all.

    Not to mention anyone who isn't up to date in the story, forget all that, they'll have to spoil it just so they can try and return the game to the way it was before this update dropped on them where they could earn xp and spirit shards.

    I'd like to play the game and story when I'm ready, I don't want to be forced to play it anet's way. I'm effectively being punished with lost xp and shards until I finish the latest chapter. Forced participation. I don't want the story ending yet, I want to complete other parts of the story first.

  • Blocki.4931Blocki.4931 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @ixora.3569 said:

    @Ayakaru.6583 said:
    While I'm no fan of time gating as it feels arbitrary, i don't think it's as bad as a lot of people make it out to be.
    They're just preventing people from being done on day 1.
    I mean, even the story could be finished by in an hour.

    Maybe next time they shouldn't say that the mount is available "today" and just be real with us honestly.

    But you can use it day 1, just not permanently. There are enough roosts on the map as well. People are extremely dramatic about this because they are used to having everything right away. Can't have it your way ALL the time.

    Bite me.

  • zealex.9410zealex.9410 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited May 15, 2019

    Other than the issue of spirit shards i see no problem with timegate in it of itself. Its necessary for longevity of content.

  • Terminal.5093Terminal.5093 Member ✭✭

    I don't care if it's time gated or takes days or weeks to unlock.

    The problem is I'm now blocked from earning xp or spirit shards in pof maps. This is absurd and incredibly bad design. Why block everyone for a set timegated amount of time.

    I'm now forced to either play the content and the story above all else, even if I'm not up to that part of the story yet, just to stop being punished and losing all my xp and shards from my usual pof game play.

    Really thoughtless design and makes it really hard to enjoy the content. Turns the whole thing in to a chore with a sense of urgency and loss, instead of being able to truly enjoy and appreciate the work they've done on this story content.

    Way to burn all the players who have maxed their pof mastery and try to earn spirit shards.

  • ProverbsofHell.2307ProverbsofHell.2307 Member ✭✭✭✭

    I'm SICK of people crying in map chat and on forums about a FIVE DAY timegate on the new mount. How impatient and entitled can you be?

    The timegate is going to keep the map populated for longer, people are going to be hyped for longer about getting the new mount - people are having fun figuring out the collection together, it's more of an event, etc. Imagine if we all just got the Skyscale for free at the end of the episode, great, now there's no prestige to it whatsoever, we can all abandon the gorgeous new map, and hover and kitten around in DR/LA. Nice.

    THE TIMEGATE IS FINE.

  • Blocki.4931Blocki.4931 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Agreed :+1: I said it just earlier but this new map will most likely be the next farm map. Rewards are good. Every time after a meta I end up with 80 rares and countless other unid gear. Exp is completely meaningless at the rate that we earn it anyway. Nothing "goes to waste".

    Bite me.

  • Sarpan.9074Sarpan.9074 Member ✭✭✭

    I would appreciate someone explaining what the time gate is. I've only finished the scale collection so far. What is the restriction that many feel to be a problem? I'd like to know before I start so I don't do what someone said they did by finishing something 10 minutes too late and it not counting. Thanks.

  • eldrin.6471eldrin.6471 Member ✭✭✭
    edited May 15, 2019

    Just more of the same kitten from anet.wont be long till they realise the error of there ways.people who cant /wont do collection cant buy new skins for skyscale mount.bit dumb if you ask me.

  • ProtoGunner.4953ProtoGunner.4953 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Zahme.7802 said:

    @ProtoGunner.4953 said:
    Holy dude, just go through with the 5 days and you're done. People really overexaggerate this - as if you had to climb the K2 without an oxygen flask.

    Its not 5 days if you can only play on weekends, then its 21 days ;-)

    Okay granted, but then you'll be 'slow' generally. They simply can't consider every playstyle.

  • rabenpriester.7129rabenpriester.7129 Member ✭✭✭

    read up what "entitled" means, thank you.

  • ProtoGunner.4953ProtoGunner.4953 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @cptaylor.2670 said:

    @ProtoGunner.4953 said:
    Lol complaining about a time gate of 5 days like there is no future... You will forget about it in 7 days you ever have done that. Get a grip and just play 10mins a day kitten.

    It took me like 8 hours earlier to do this first part of the collection. And I only spent that much time because I dedicated my day to it. If you only spend 10 minutes a day to get this mount, it will most likely, if following the same pace, take weeks to get. And I used a guide for the eggs and sick Skyscale parts. For new players that don’t know where to find guides and are doing these on their own, the collections themselves could be a major turn off to the game, not to mention a lack of understanding as to why they can’t continue the rest of the collection.

    Either do a long tedious collection with no time gate, or do a simplified collection with a time gate. Doing both is just drastically unnecessary.

    And I’d like to further the sentiments that this kind of game design is exactly why I got absolutely sick of world of Warcraft. Just day after day of the the same fetch quests and chores with that shiny carrot on the stick. I didn’t like it with the golem backpack, but it was a cosmetic item. Wayfarer’s Henge was a cosmetic item.

    Here we have a map that is heavily designed with this new mount in mind, but our only option is 1. Do over half of the story on a character if you want to be able to borrow one. 2. Borrow it, collect something or get dismounted and have to find a new one that will last one charge.

    And these collections are just dull in general, at least so far. You essentially make three laps around the map looking for clickable items in abstract places while dealing with the frustration of knowing that these laps would be significantly easier if you didn’t have to backtrack or go out of your way to find a mount to borrow or just the right amount of ledge to use your springer to leap onto.

    I think it gives a worse impression and creates more angst with the map than is deserved. I don’t usually agree with the statement that mounts should be solely obtained within the story, but I think for this one instance it probably would have been the better decision.

    Okay, I am not your average player, since I did collection for 3 or 4 legendaries. Especially Aurora which took me a while only to find out, that I need the Mount Maelstrom collection which took me another 16 days (well about 20 with all the breaks). But you will get it eventually. MMOs are here for long term goals and a flying mount is rather prestige than other stuff in the game.

  • bOTEB.1573bOTEB.1573 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited May 15, 2019

    What exactly we can't get on the very 1st day? (all i did yesterday was the full story + map completion)
    Just curious, haven't started the collection yet.

    Wishlist:
    Everything that kills me should be nerfed
    Remove all time gates - I play more than some people yet I receive the same rewards per day/week (PvP/WvW tickets etc)
    ANET developments/events and everything else should be in a schedule with the time I play

  • Glider.5792Glider.5792 Member ✭✭✭

    @Stalkingwolf.6035 said:
    and you need a thread for that?
    and if you did read the other threads you would recognize why people are complaining. They are not impatient, the mount blocks XP and shards for several days.

    and no timegate is never fine. its cheap gamedesign and somehow makes only sence when you have a paid subscription model

    This thread is definetly more needed then the multiple "cry cry timegate gib mount" threads which we have on the frontpage.

    https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCeFWMeskOJhk8N-SvOFCJXA
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  • Blocki.4931Blocki.4931 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @eldrin.6471 said:
    anet only released this new mount so they could sell us new skins for it.makes no sense to force people who do not like time gates and collections to jump through hoops for the privilege of buying skins from gem store.

    What kind of logic is this? If they wanted that they wouldn't have given it a good dye channel :) You really make it sound like anet takes away any kind of agency from you. You are forced to buy skins. So go spend your money so they can make more features you will never use.

    Makes 0 sense.

    Bite me.

  • Blocki.4931Blocki.4931 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @bOTEB.1573 said:
    What exactly we can't get on the very 1st day? (all i did yesterday was the full story + map completion)
    Just curious, haven't started the collection yet.

    After the first two collections for the Skyscale you have to wait a day between finishing the following ones. People are mad they don't get worthless spirit shards.

    Bite me.

  • Obtena.7952Obtena.7952 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Cristalyan.5728 said:

    @Obtena.7952 said:
    I think it's funny someone complains about the time gate ... I guess spending 250G is more to your liking?

    Hm. I think it's funny someone is able to see only the two bad options. What about no time gate and no money? Like ...... the Raptor for example?

    It's an MMO ... you are going to pay in some way to keep you engaged with the game. That's what makes them work.

    If you think balancing is only driven by performance and justified by comparisons to other classes then prepare to be educated:

    https://www.guildwars2.com/en/news/balance-updates-the-heralds-near-future-and-pvp-league-season-13/

  • tekhiun.8653tekhiun.8653 Member ✭✭✭

    @ProtoGunner.4953 said:

    Okay, I am not your average player, since I did collection for 3 or 4 legendaries. Especially Aurora which took me a while only to find out, that I need the Mount Maelstrom collection which took me another 16 days (well about 20 with all the breaks). But you will get it eventually. MMOs are here for long term goals and a flying mount is rather prestige than other stuff in the game.

    Cool it's prestige, but the griffon wasn't like this at all. And frankly time gating stuff like this is just bad design for the issues many have expressed already. When you say that there will be a mount that will be related to the story, the hype is that we will unlock it during the story and pretty much the entire community thought that way and they did NOTHING to warn us about that, that it would be time gated to daily resets and it would take 5 days because of it, you are basically crushing the expectations of many players and creating frustanting moments during the gameplay. Being locked away from a collection for whole day because of 10 minutes isn't fun or engaging,. It doesn't make me look forward to what is coming specially when the first part was an incredibly boring fetch quest of 61 items.

    Remember it's gated to daily reset, so if you take your take but you finish that 61st item , guess what you can't take you r time anymore, it's just blocked content for block sake. and there is nothing we can do about it. It's an inexcusable bad design.

    They should have given us the mount DURING the story, and this whole time gated grindy and boring collection would be for something a unique mount skin for the skyscale. At least that way it would be something new and fresh and not something that makes me think if I should keep playing the game at all.

  • Zaraki.5784Zaraki.5784 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Rukario.1695 said:

    • Anyone who is short on spirit shards have begun discussing how they feel they cannot play in any PoF content now.

    Spirit Shards? Did I miss something? Are they required for some of the Skyscale's collections?
    I did the first three collections and Spirit Shards weren't required.

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  • tekhiun.8653tekhiun.8653 Member ✭✭✭

    @Obtena.7952 said:

    @Cristalyan.5728 said:

    @Obtena.7952 said:
    I think it's funny someone complains about the time gate ... I guess spending 250G is more to your liking?

    Hm. I think it's funny someone is able to see only the two bad options. What about no time gate and no money? Like ...... the Raptor for example?

    It's an MMO ... you are going to pay in some way to keep you engaged with the game. That's what makes them work.

    All they managed to with this cheap design was make me want to play another game tbf. And it's a shame because otherwise it was a pretty solid work., but right now there is nothing left to do because I have no collection today , due to 10 minutes, which can just as well be blamed on the devs since I actually got booted from the map several times for no reason at all. If they want to keep people in game make them enjoy playing it. Having a big let down like this isn't one way of doing so.

  • I think this is a bigger indicator of binge behavior in video games. I am going to assume that anet has metrics that show that players jump on, binge the content, then go back to wvwvw fractals or where ever they prefer to be when nothing new is out. I am annoyed that the collection was lazily put together and it requires the traversal of the same areas over and over again. I will get it eventually, but am not particularly upset. This may be an indicator to the game community as a whole that anet is not investing as much into the game as before and they are using uninspired methods to force a specific result from the player base.

  • ZDragon.3046ZDragon.3046 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Cristalyan.5728 said:

    @ZDragon.3046 said:

    @Trise.2865 said:
    How many times do we have to tell people not to blast through content in 10 minutes? to take their time and enjoy it? They never learn...

    The thing about that is anet sells the living world updates on new features and content
    Story
    (in this case) a Mount
    A Map
    The legendary weapon
    (some times) a raid or fractal

    They already sold the Legendary weapon. Almost 4 years ago. And they already took our money for it. How can you forget this? This weapon does not belong to this LS episode. It is a HoT weapon. The good part is that we can say that now HoT is a complete result. (I was close to say it is a finished result).

    Even if you want to look at it like that i saw several people running around with the GS before I could even finish the living story and I started the living story the moment the patch dropped. Why is that a thing regardless.. imagine if anet had changed something you have to buy for the this gs and limited it to 5 per day and said you needed 100 of them for this particularly legendary but not done it for the others in the past. How would those players feel who have been unlocking legendaries on day one knowing they saved the items needed only to be gated through daily reset. It wouldn't be very appealing to players who were looking forward the most getting the new legendary would it.

    ITs the fact that they have never done this with a mount before. They chose to change something thats not been a thing with any mount in the past really or so far and thats whats causing the frustration. I dont even care that it has more collections to do people who want the mount will do them but no one likes to sit around and wait. Of all the ways they could have choosen to buy more time and make this content last longer this was probably one of the worst ways to do it.

    I have a email right now promoting the skysacle as main feature to "come play the living world" and you cant event unlock its base in the same day or start working on its masteries etc for several days. Its already taken me and several other friends and people more time to do the first collection than it took to complete roller and griffon almost combined.

    We did this only to find out we are no where near finished and cant even progress in any way until a 24 hour reset which will happen several days in a row. Not a good feeling for the majority. I know there are some people who are super passive/ easy going who will have the "I dont mind waiting" attitude but for those were were really looking forward to the mount as one of the main feature updates of this patch its very disappointing i would think.

  • ProverbsofHell.2307ProverbsofHell.2307 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Marmorix.9654 said:

    @ProverbsofHell.2307 said:
    I'm SICK of people crying in map chat and on forums about a FIVE DAY timegate on the new mount. How impatient and entitled can you be?

    The timegate is going to keep the map populated for longer, people are going to be hyped for longer about getting the new mount - people are having fun figuring out the collection together, it's more of an event, etc. Imagine if we all just got the Skyscale for free at the end of the episode, great, now there's no prestige to it whatsoever, we can all abandon the gorgeous new map, and hover and kitten around in DR/LA. Nice.

    THE TIMEGATE IS FINE.

    If the map is just populated because of the time gate then the map is very bad designed. It should be populated because the map is good and fun to play ;-)

    Oh yeah cause I said it's populated JUST cause of the timgated? ;-))))

    Nah, it's just something that helps. Most people want reasons to do things.

  • Stalkingwolf.6035Stalkingwolf.6035 Member ✭✭✭

    @ProverbsofHell.2307 said:
    Most people want reasons to do things.

    yes. something like fun

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  • ZDragon.3046ZDragon.3046 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Then the skyscale should have been a hidden easter egg mount almost like griff... oh wait.. griff can be done in a single day and nothing stops you from saving a x amount of gold per day infact I can almost promise you in 2019 it does not take you 5 days or more to get 250g you can prob get it in a day or 2 if you really farm hard and know what to do to get it. I prob have 200-400g in just junk look and mats sitting on my toons right now cause im a hoarder of such things.

    Overall time gating is fine but it should never be done in a way that 100% haults progress completely players who are willing to push hard to get it faster should be rewarded for doing such.

    They could have said collect x amount of various items from meta events in the different PoF maps or bounty events in different living world season 4 maps and used that as a time gate and it would have been ok because progress is not likely to reach a 100% dead stop you know that you can keep playing and keep making progress. But hitting dead stops is never an ok way to time gate.

    also as some people pointed out they cant play consistently everyday so a 5 day gate like this turns into a few weeks for them.

  • TheGrimm.5624TheGrimm.5624 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Try ESO crafting, 5 days is nothing, why are we talking about this? Haven't even started that yet but that's not a concern.

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  • Adenin.5973Adenin.5973 Member ✭✭✭
    edited May 15, 2019

    I think it's quite sad that they had no content or saw any other way to keep players busy. Truth is that many ppl are just bored by clicking on 100+ on randomly scattered objects. Truth is that most ppl will use a guide, so the activity will be to sit and click through images on a third party website, while you get annoyed by pulling aggro of mobs that won't let you mount again. Truth is that after all of that you hit a time gate wall that wants to make many ppl to simply log off.

    Are there other ppl that don't care about that? Yes, but if they don't care they would've also been fine without the time gate and mindless collections, so why do it in the first place?

  • DanAlcedo.3281DanAlcedo.3281 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Wait!? FIVE days!?!?!?

  • Obtena.7952Obtena.7952 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited May 15, 2019

    @tekhiun.8653 said:

    @Obtena.7952 said:

    @Cristalyan.5728 said:

    @Obtena.7952 said:
    I think it's funny someone complains about the time gate ... I guess spending 250G is more to your liking?

    Hm. I think it's funny someone is able to see only the two bad options. What about no time gate and no money? Like ...... the Raptor for example?

    It's an MMO ... you are going to pay in some way to keep you engaged with the game. That's what makes them work.

    All they managed to with this cheap design was make me want to play another game tbf.

    And you are going to pay somehow in that game too. Don't fool yourself into thinking GW2 is some exception to MMO design fundamentals.

    If you think balancing is only driven by performance and justified by comparisons to other classes then prepare to be educated:

    https://www.guildwars2.com/en/news/balance-updates-the-heralds-near-future-and-pvp-league-season-13/

  • tekhiun.8653tekhiun.8653 Member ✭✭✭

    @TheGrimm.5624 said:
    Try ESO crafting, 5 days is nothing, why are we talking about this? Haven't even started that yet but that's not a concern.

    I think randomly putting a timegate on an aspect of the game without any warning at all is the issue. But if people enjoy that, well I hope they timegate more content in the future. Maybe the future of the game is time gating random stuff more and more. Again if people enjoy being locked out for a whole day because of a few minutes, then they should do it more. I wonder why they didn't do this since 2012, since is such a great to give out content.

  • Terminal.5093Terminal.5093 Member ✭✭
    edited May 15, 2019

    The day before the update, anyone with maxed masteries could earn xp and gain spirit shards from the excess xp. Now, you get nothing, because there's a locked skyscale mastery blocking it and it won't work again until it's unlocked.

    Doing the story gives large chunks of xp that is wasted as 0 until this new mastery is unlocked. Every person with maxed pof mastery is getting 0 xp now. Doing any event or any meta in pof now gives 0.

    It's poor design, with no reason or legitimacy for it. Simply hide the mastery until you can actually unlock it so your xp isn't being wasted. Problem solved. Simple.

    Arguments calling the lost items worthless or it's only 5 days of nothing.. it's not an excuse for a poor design that doesn't make any sense, and has no logic or reason behind it.

    I mean, if you can think of a valid reason why it should be this way instead of just being fixed, please explain.

    To be clear, my issue is not with a timegated mount, but with the knock on effect of the mastery not being hidden, forcing multiple days for those who can do it daily, and much longer for those that can't, of no xp in pof.

  • tekhiun.8653tekhiun.8653 Member ✭✭✭

    @Obtena.7952 said:
    And you are going to pay somehow in that game too. Don't fool yourself into thinking GW2 is some exception to MMO design fundamentals.

    I am definitely not paying anything since there are plenty of completely f2p games that don't this , but hey I can get tons of new content that way without being time gated. Enjoy your SkyGated mount.

  • Obtena.7952Obtena.7952 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited May 15, 2019

    @tekhiun.8653 said:

    @Obtena.7952 said:
    And you are going to pay somehow in that game too. Don't fool yourself into thinking GW2 is some exception to MMO design fundamentals.

    I am definitely not paying anything since there are plenty of completely f2p games that don't this , but hey I can get tons of new content that way without being time gated.

    No, you pay, you just don't know it ... here you pay with time ... MMO's always make you pay somehow.

    You didn't download and install GW2 to go play some f2p pile of kitten that cripples you if you don't pay ... but go ahead, have fun. Keep thinking 4 day is a long time ... then you realize you have been grinding something for weeks in a f2p steamer. No, you got this ALL figured out. :astonished:

    If you think balancing is only driven by performance and justified by comparisons to other classes then prepare to be educated:

    https://www.guildwars2.com/en/news/balance-updates-the-heralds-near-future-and-pvp-league-season-13/

  • Obtena.7952Obtena.7952 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited May 15, 2019

    @ZDragon.3046 said:

    @Klowdy.3126 said:
    TLDR: it's a problem because people have no patience.

    Maybe you should read the email that anet sent out saying that you should come play and get your "SKYSCALE TODAY"
    its a problem because people dont like bing lied too and bamboozled

    LOL ... yeah OMG ... they are FOOLING people into playing a game they have been playing for years to come experience new content. tragic.

    If you think balancing is only driven by performance and justified by comparisons to other classes then prepare to be educated:

    https://www.guildwars2.com/en/news/balance-updates-the-heralds-near-future-and-pvp-league-season-13/

  • TheNecrosanct.4028TheNecrosanct.4028 Member ✭✭✭

    I don't get why people avoid PoF maps now. I mean, yes, I get it, but I don't understand people don't realize this will only extend the duration of the problem. Unless they're hoping for a "fix", one that might not even come, because this might be exactly how ANet planned it. There are still loads of people in Dragonfall so it's not going to send a message to ANet by way of population numbers either.

    The whole "I want it all and I want it now" attitude is not helping people. There really is no need, and what's a few days in a lifetime? Not getting spirit shards is not going to create insurmountable problems. Whatever you're using them for will have to wait a bit. I don't see anything that will impede gameplay by not getting spirit shards. Is it ideal? No. But the longer you wait, the longer the problem will persist.

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