[merged] About the Skyscale Timegate...

LucianDK.8615 · May 17, 2019

I dont see the same level of complaints for the griffon, even if 250g and joining events appearently is out of reach for many casuals.I think the first major stumbling block for many is the 4 djiins fight in Vabbi.

ZDragon.3046 · May 17, 2019

@LucianDK.8615 said:I dont see the same level of complaints for the griffon, even if 250g and joining events appearently is out of reach for many casuals.I think the first major stumbling block for many is the 4 djiins fight in Vabbi.

I know some one who had this problem because their pc (or their game rather) would lock up during the fight the only way i got them around that step was to have them teleport to me with a TP to friend from town once the fight was over as the djiin remains there for a while after the chaos stops

Ototo.3214 · May 17, 2019

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@Ototo.3214 said:I'm fine with doing collections. I'm fine with the collections taking 30+ hours. But let me do it at my own pace. I hate feeling like I have to rush to finish the kitten thing each day and can't stop to just...play fractals with friends or anything like that because if I don't finish it before reset, I have to wait another 24 hours before I can do anything. It's unneeded stress and frustration for a collection I'd otherwise really enjoy.

But you don't, because you can't rush time gated content. If you feel like that, that's a player problem.

You see, the big problem I have here is that no one complains they are stressed when content ISN'T time gated but they should be because it does get harder to do group content when it isn't

... but when your forced by the game to progress content in steps over time .. THAT is stressful? That doesn't make sense.

I think you are taking his words too literallyI think he means like me for example i did nothing till the reset yesterday and rushed to complete the egg magic gathering collection so that that i wouldnt have to worry about not finishing it before reset it took about 4 hours doing it with a group.

After that i was done didn't do dailies, fractals, or play dragonfall at all i was pretty much done.Based on what im hearing for the next step ill be feeding a skyscale 3 times then today I might do fractals if they are any i particularly like after which ill going to prob stop and play another game.

If there are going to be more time gates within time gates the ESO new chapter early access is looking more and more lovely by the day. At which point i could be playing that and logging into gw2 just to feed a train a pet thats not a pet 3 times a day.

Ideally we are still rushing content because no one wants to wait an extra day if they dont have to. And because the mount is the main focus for so many people it easily pushes other forms of content to the side.

The decision to rush is a player issue and I doesn't make sense to make an argument based on it. All content gets rushed by people to some degree, but for some reason when it's time gated, rushing it all the sudden a big problem for you? That doesn't make sense.

Just be honest here ... you just want the mount without artificial restrictions imposed on you. Feeling like you have to rush content is not a compelling argument to not have time gates.

Except the time gate is causing people to rush the collections within that given day. Many of my friends started the collection for the mount and were taking their time because they didn't think it had some stupid time gate to it. Then when they found out it was gated, they started rushing it.

So what? That's still a player perception issue.

What was that that they said were their core philosophies for GW2 in that recent update on what was to come for the game? Wait, player autonomy and fun content were listed? That can't be right. That really screws with player expectations.

That doesn't change what i said ... rushing can't be a problem for time-gated content if it's not a problem for non-time gated content. Content is still fun (and is subjective anyways) and players still have options to experience it ... as far as I can see, those philosophies still stand.

The difference is that with non time gated content you are rushing at your own pace because you enjoy doing so.If you are getting close to reset and you know you are losing a day if you don't rush to finish the collection because you will get stuck on working on it very early on when trying to work on it the next day, in which case you feel forced to rush and burn yourself out to finish those parts up, which makes rushing a problem, due to the time gate.

So it's not about the rush ... because you don't mind doing it at your own pace. So the real problem here is not about rushing content.

Except it is, because I and many others wouldn't rush that hard it it weren't for the time gate, or be bummed out about missing the reset because they were busy enjoying the map and story instead of working on the collection already, just to then realise that progression is gated when wanting to work on it the next day.Is this really that hard to understand, or do you simply refuse to do so?

Oh c'mon.. at least be a little more honest about your issue here.I mean there is no genuine reason to feel forced into rushing just cos you missed a reset... if your RL schedule is such that you only have those few minutes each day to get the skyscale bit done then there is little ANET can do to help.No sorry, the real reason you are causing a fuss about this is because you want to rush it to completion ASAP.... and then what, what will you be doing when you have it completed - logoff until next content update (hardly great for ANET from a business perspective) OR will you go about playing out all the other content options you have at your fingertips especially new map and new content (if so what is stopping you doing while your waiting for the next skyscale content to become available??)No sorry the " ANET force me to rush cos reset" is just a very poor attempt to smokescreen the "I want it, I want it NAOW" mentality, nothing more.

Actually no. It's quite clear some people have difficulty with reading comprehension here. Sure, some might want to rush to completion but some of us would like to feel like we can stop and start whenever we want. The main issue is the time gate on top of numerous bloated collections that take hours to complete. The collections themselves aren't the problem, it's perfectly fine to have a collection be big like this. But to make it so you can't start the next collection until a reset happens? And if you failed to finish the previous before the reset you now have to wait 24 hours again? I'd like to be able to work on it, take a break to go do something else, then come back to it and not feel like I screwed myself over because I finished the collection 10 minutes after reset and now have to wait another day. It's entirely pointless to have the time gate, especially when you've hyped it up and claim it'll drop on the patch day, May 14th, when in actuality...who fckin knows when we'll actually be able to have one. Most people probably still won't have one by the time the guild chat for it even happens on the 24th. Casual players or those with busy schedules should be able to log on, work on the collections for the time they have, the come back to it when they finally have time again without feeling like they're losing out. It punishes those people more than the people that have nothing to do but play GW2 all day.

I actually have no issue with the charged quartz crystal time gate alone, haven't gotten to it yet but it sounds like you just feed them and move on. Sucks to have to wait another day but at least it doesn't eat 6+ hours of what little play time I get and I can actually like...go do something else. But it stacked on top of each collection having it's own daily reset time gate makes it unbearable.

Nope sorry not buying that excuse.Your available time in game is not ANET's problem. Other player may have the same issues just at different times of day. If you miss a reset so what, the skyscale will still be there and your not being disadvantaged in anyway that is just simply rubbish. Time gates are utilised for a reason but saying you have to login, rush to get stuff done before reset is just "it's not fair I want it naow" nothing more

Thanks for not actually reading what I said. Try again. If you think this is about instant gratification it really isn't. I even said I was fine with one of the damn time gates, the one that could potentially take someone 22 days to get through.

And just because something had a reason to be used does not mean it's good. Pretty sure we know the reason: to artificially extend content. Doesn't make it good game design and if it clearly upsets a large portion of the player base for more than just "I want it nao" it should at least be addressed by Anet.

They listened to the incessant waves of WvWer moaning and groaning over the broken Warclaw that had poor design initially, why should this be any different.

ZDragon.3046 · May 17, 2019

@DreamySkullz.8203 said:It's not that I don't appreciate going through harder loops to get an item that's worth it; the collection itself is fine. I don't even mind the time gates for like an hour or so. Something to make people slow down. But a whole day feels like over kill. Especially for those of us who have full time jobs and irl commitments. There's nothing wrong with appealing to a casual crowd, which is why so many people love GW2.
No one is saying they don't want to work for their items. It DOES feel like an accomplishment when you work hard for something and get it. The only thing I feel needs to be nerfed is the time gating, to perhaps a few hours at most if it's a mechanic that must stay.
I'm just hoping when it's over we'll get something worth while.

I agree with this.... The feeding steps or even the hatch steps could have been based on in game days which are a few hours apart during which time you could go do other content (other map metas, fractals, pvp, wvw, etc.) and come back and feed the dragon on the next in game day or something. Even if the hatching process took several in game days thats still could be several hours or for most people what would have been the next day or time they logged in.

The time gate was a bit drastic lets just hope the future collection steps also dont extend the window like the feeding process does if so thats another who knows how many irl days for people who play every day and who knows how long for people who only play weekends or a few times a week.

ZDragon.3046 · May 17, 2019

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@"bOTEB.1573" said:There are thousands of people already at the 1st or 2nd day of feeding their Scyscale. At this point redesigning the collection would be a disaster.I like it as it is. A collection inspired by the spirit of a true RPG. Raising your baby Skyscale feels so natural :)

This would be like saying that cars shouldn't be invented, because it isn't fair to all the old people who had to walk everywhere. There is no equivalence of injustice; it doesn't matter how many people were subjugated to bad design. A bad system should be fixed.

So you are saying that it is ok for you to put your 2 yo kid in advanced technological incubator and make it 25 yo adult instantly?

Aurene grew pretty darn fast just saying... thats the joy of magic in this game. (depending on when you played the end of PoF and Living world season 4 episode 1 she went from toddler size to skyscale size in what felt like a day lol.

We even gave the dragon a magical device called a grow lamp ideally would speed up growth what do you think should really be happeningThe fact that the first generation was fully grown and had already laid eggs around the map... hmmmmm oh they were going to die from aging to fast as well if i recall.

So yes.... in this case yes it wouldn't be so bad that the dragon goes from an egg to ridable size fairly quickly. Thats the joy of magic and fantasy.

LucianDK.8615 · May 17, 2019

The grow lamp was actually treated as an 'used grow lamp', that you give to the hatchling as a toy.

ZDragon.3046 · May 17, 2019

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@Obtena.7952 said:The fact is that most of the complaints don't make sense, so you can repeat them 2 or 3 or even 4 hundred times ... that doesn't make them more sensible.
having to rush content is definitely one of those nonsensical complaints.

What if your ideals dont make sense and you are the one who is wrong here? Can we consider this a possibility?

This isn't about me being wrong or right ... or you or other players. It's about understanding why Anet uses time gating. No one here complaining has ONCE attempted to think of why it's being used. It's just assumed that it 'does nothing'. Go back to the drawing board. Clearly, it's doing something, otherwise people wouldn't be here.

Ok now we are getting some where Ding Ding!

THATS THE ISSUE!

WE CANT TELL YOU WHY ITS BEING USED BECAUSE IT SHOULDNT HAVE BEEN. THERE WAS NO GOOD REASON THAT WE CAN SEE FOR IT.

That doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Players not being able to understand Anet's motives is NOT a compelling reason for Anet to repeal time gated content.

Just some more thoughts ...

See here is the problem ... WHATEVER the reason is (we don't need to know it), you have to believe there is one, because it's more work for Anet to use time gating. If they didn't have a reason, why would time gate something if it's more work for them? I don't think they would, and it's pretty clear they use that approach sparingly. Therefore, ANY discussion you want to have about time gating that is based on the premise there is NO reason to use it is faulty, right out of the gate. It's not even worth engaging anyone in a discussion that believes there is NO reason to use time gating.

For fun ... HOW any anti-time gate posters do you think are using this platform to make their case? It's LOTS ... and they are all wrong.

ok cool you actually made a realistic rebuttal this time.I agree that the use of daily time gates is rare among anet , usually its locked to progress for specific things like legendary weapons, some ascended gear or currency used to buy or make such things.

In this case its a mount, even if there is a reason (of which we cannot understand) for it it does not mean that players are not allowed to be upset about it when its not the standard for unlocking mounts based on every other mount in the past even the hidden one (griffon). From our stand point a mount marketed as the one of the 3 or 4 main features of a new update or living world patch is generally obtainable fairly quickly. This has been the standard for pretty much every mount they have released for PoF and after PoF up till now. ITS WHAT PLAYERS ARE USE TO!

What ever the reason is, players do have a right to feel they have been wronged here because the mount was not marketed as a ascended or legendary item to obtain, it was marketed and teased in our faces with the idea of "Get yours today."

You certainly cannot tell people that they are wrong for feeling bamboozled when pretty much thats what anet did here even if that was not their true intention. IF they repeal the time gate is not up to us but we certainly should give feed back so that anet knows "dont do this without warning" and "dont do this when its not been the standard" because it generated nothing but mostly negative feedback on multiple platforms. Even if you dont agree with the majority for good reason you are sadly part of the minority here don't expect people to instantly agree with you even more so if you are just going "You are wrong, you should wait, it does not bother me so it should not bother you."

As i said before also I think many of us would shut up rather quickly if anet made a statement about their reasoning behind it but they are leaving us in the dark here. If anet chooses to stand firm with their choice we cant do anything about it but we at the very least would like to know why this is being done for a mount. Anything like "to keep people playing, or to keep a map populated" will certainly gain negative views from the communities majority. There are other methods of achieving those task.

Heck, i wouldn't mind if there was a time gate just not one that spans this drastically for a mount they could have locked it to in game days which are a few hours apart each. Ideally even if some one played hard it would still take a few days to do. Also we have to absolutely acknowledge the double time gate and for some people who dont have mats triple time gate thats built into this collection (what could be multiple times base on future collections) .

We do think anet made a bad choice here simply put even if we don't understand it we do understand that there were better options they could have taken. For the way this mount was teased around.

Hey, feel what you want .. but that's NOT a reason to compel Anet to not use time gates. People feel it's wrong? There are too many? Sounds like EVERY time Anet uses time gates. I have yet to see a place where time gates were used and people disliked it. Dislike is not a reason for Anet to rethink this.

As customers who play / use their service (the game gw2) it actually really is.Like i said we can force them to do it but we can certainly give feed back and you dont upset your customers intentionally

No it really isn't because Anet can't implement everything in a way that everyone likes. They know some ways they do things will upset people ... that shouldn't stop them from doing it. That kind of thinking is completely unreasonable.

I agree but they should ideally try to please the majority and not each and very small minorityIn this case obviously there is a majority who is not happy with the way this was implemented and you cant deny the feedback here even if you dont think any person does not have the right answer the majority of people here and on other social media platforms are responding negatively.

You don't know how many people are unhappy about it and you don't know if it's the majority. Unhappy people complain ... happy people do not. It's always biased to unhappy posts.

Im looking at the comments here, twitter post, and reddit post + what i see being said within game map chat. Assuming that of all 4 places im looking and im seeing a 75 /25 split of negative to positive percentage wise who are you to tell me i dont know and cant know how many people are unhappy. IM LITERALLY LOOKING AT IT.While i will admit what i see cannot account for every single player i can assume with good reason behind it based on what i am seeing that the majoity of players are responding negatively to it even the ones who are not posting here, twitter, reddit, and in game. Stop being bluntly ignorant to the topic and pretending you dont see the negative feedback it just because you take no issue with the situation yourself.

And if you are a happy person why are you here?A happy person wont care if it changes right?

Trevor Boyer.6524 · May 17, 2019

@thehipone.6812 said:
I had ran up to my local Dollar General and bought a bunch of beef jerky, doritos, cheese dip, and mountain dew just for the occasion. But when I returned to Gorrik, he reluctantly told me to put down the beef jerky, to seal up my bag of doritos, to put my chees dip & mountain back in the fridge, because now _
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This has copypasta potential.

My main reaction was a bit of disappointment that there was this new map, obviously designed for the new mount, and here I am playing a bunch on the new map WITHOUT being able to take advantage of the new mount. That is, once I finally get the thing, I'm likely to be ready to go back to some other parts of the game and take a break from grinding on new map.

Yeah I kind of thought about that as well. By the time you unlock it, you'll have all the other achievements in the map done as well, and be well and ready to leave that map with little reason to ever go back. So unless we back peddle previous content like HoT maps to build legends or something, there really doesn't seem to be any areas it would get to shine any more or less than the Griffon.

What would have felt great, was being able to use it freely vs. Dragonfall's terrain while completing other meta achievements. That would have been very fun and better delivered the flavor of the new mount.

Ototo.3214 · May 17, 2019

@LucianDK.8615 said:The grow lamp was actually treated as an 'used grow lamp', that you give to the hatchling as a toy.

I got the impression it was saying that you used the grow lamp on it, just like the other toys also say used once completed for the collection.

Evil.1580 · May 17, 2019

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@Obtena.7952 said:The fact is that most of the complaints don't make sense, so you can repeat them 2 or 3 or even 4 hundred times ... that doesn't make them more sensible.
having to rush content is definitely one of those nonsensical complaints.