Missed opportunity to make a wyvern — Guild Wars 2 Forums

Missed opportunity to make a wyvern

It was said in the Skyscale demo that they wanted to keep the "4 legs, 2 wings" model because it was more familiar to the player and that a "2 legs, 2 wings" model was generally for the bad guys. I do not think this is the real reason, and if it is I think it's a bad one. What I think is that it was easyer for the animation team to re-use the griffon model again, and so they just had to go for an identical body shape.

I find it sad because every mount so far had its identity, up to its movements and proportions. The roller beetle was amazing and refreshing! Now we have a griffon, and a scaly griffon thing, and they both have the same shape and share several animations... They obviously tried to make it look different, so hard that the thing has a permanent weird pose and seems to tell "Hey! Look how I'm standing, I'm not a griffon okay"...

It was already not great for the Warclaw but still good because it shared a coherent feline base and wasn't in the same gamemode, but this new one is bugging me. I think a wyvern would've been mutch better, original and differenciated from the others mounts, not to mention more fitting to the lore: We've already seen pleny of firebreathing wyverns, why bother creating a new beast that's related to dragons but somehow not an actual dragon? Why not give us something that we've already seen and thus can be excited about, but never actually experienced? I hope we see a good wyvern skin someday, it looks possible with a few animation tweaks...

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  • Trise.2865Trise.2865 Member ✭✭✭✭

    You mean "make a rideable wyvern". We have tons of wyverns.

    If we want ANet to step up their game, then we must step up ours.

  • ROMANG.1903ROMANG.1903 Member ✭✭✭
    edited May 16, 2019

    @Trise.2865 said:

    @gateless gate.8406 said:
    Yep, unbelievable that they're reusing the griffon skeleton a THIRD time. A 200-300 person developer that can't stop reusing assets. The "it's good enough" mentality has claimed yet another victim, it would seem.

    Oh, by the way ANet, if you're going to endlessly reuse the griffon skeleton, how about fixing the hickup/stutter in its run loop before doing so?

    You haven't been paying much attention if this is the first recycled rig you've noticed. It's a very common time- and cost-saving practice. At least ANet takes the time to create a different creature, with its own skin, body type, and animations rather than just change the color palate.

    Yea it's already been done. For random open world mobs. A mount deserves better, it's something tied to your character that you bring everywhere.

    @Dragon Priestess.9760 said:
    There are wyverns in almost every other game. So, no thanks. I prefer traditional european dragons.

    We could have a dragon skin for the griffon. It wouldn't be incompatible with the addition of a wyvern mount, and more different models allow for more original skins for everyone to enjoy. I mean, a wyvern rig would've allowed bird-themed skins, imagine riding a vulture, how cool would that be? But we can't have that with a"traditional European dragon" rig.

  • gateless gate.8406gateless gate.8406 Member ✭✭✭

    @Trise.2865 said:

    @gateless gate.8406 said:
    Yep, unbelievable that they're reusing the griffon skeleton a THIRD time. A 200-300 person developer that can't stop reusing assets. The "it's good enough" mentality has claimed yet another victim, it would seem.

    Oh, by the way ANet, if you're going to endlessly reuse the griffon skeleton, how about fixing the hickup/stutter in its run loop before doing so?

    You haven't been paying much attention if this is the first recycled rig you've noticed. It's a very common time- and cost-saving practice. At least ANet takes the time to create a different creature, with its own skin, body type, and animations rather than just change the color palate.

    Ooh, a strawman argument, how fun! /s

    Which other mount skeleton besides griffon is re-used? None.

    Some level of reuse is obviously understandable and necessary. It's not reasonable to expect every random critter and mob to have unique skeletons. Fortunately, that's not what we're talking about.

  • Trise.2865Trise.2865 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited May 16, 2019

    @gateless gate.8406 said:

    @Trise.2865 said:

    @gateless gate.8406 said:
    Yep, unbelievable that they're reusing the griffon skeleton a THIRD time. A 200-300 person developer that can't stop reusing assets. The "it's good enough" mentality has claimed yet another victim, it would seem.

    Oh, by the way ANet, if you're going to endlessly reuse the griffon skeleton, how about fixing the hickup/stutter in its run loop before doing so?

    You haven't been paying much attention if this is the first recycled rig you've noticed. It's a very common time- and cost-saving practice. At least ANet takes the time to create a different creature, with its own skin, body type, and animations rather than just change the color palate.

    Ooh, a strawman argument, how fun! /s

    Which other mount skeleton besides griffon is re-used? None.

    Some level of reuse is obviously understandable and necessary. It's not reasonable to expect every random critter and mob to have unique skeletons. Fortunately, that's not what we're talking about.

    Raptor, Springer, and Jackal use existing rigs, and that's not what a "strawman" is. Nice ad hominem though.

    If we want ANet to step up their game, then we must step up ours.

  • Tiviana.2650Tiviana.2650 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Dragon Priestess.9760 said:
    There are wyverns in almost every other game. So, no thanks. I prefer traditional european dragons.

    Umm there are dragons in just about every mmo of the genre . I personally would love a wyvern too! In wow all you had was dragons out the wazoo only the proto drakes kinda reminded me of wyvern , and i rode those all the time.

  • LucianDK.8615LucianDK.8615 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Dragons are simply way more popular. Plus the focus of guild wars 2 is elder dragons, not elder wyverns.

  • ROMANG.1903ROMANG.1903 Member ✭✭✭
    edited May 16, 2019

    @LucianDK.8615 said:
    Dragons are simply way more popular. Plus the focus of guild wars 2 is elder dragons, not elder wyverns.

    We're not riding elder dragons, this argument is invalid.

    @gateless gate.8406 said:
    Let me know which mobs you think use the animation skeleton of any of those mounts.

    Yea I'm curious about that as well

  • Teratus.2859Teratus.2859 Member ✭✭✭✭

    I think the Skyscale is essentially a cut and paste model of Aurine.. and Aurine is pretty much a modified model of the Griffon.

    It probably wouldn't be too much work to modify the Wyvern models into usable mounts but I guess it was simply quicker and easier to go with the Skyscale as that work had already been done for Aurine.

    I like both Wyverns and Dragons but given the choice I'd rather have gone with the Skyscale as it is rather than a Wyvern, this is mostly due to Wyverns becoming increasingly common in games, movies and even popular Tv often times wrongly potrayed as Dragons despite their obvious Wyvern traits.
    Both Skyrim and Game of Thrones are very popular examples of this mislabeling.

    Having more traditional Dragon designs in Guidlwars is something i'm pretty happy about and we've seen various forms so far along side Wyverns as well which makes me even more happy.
    Skyscales, Aurine and Kralkatorrik all have great 4 legged designs and Mordremoth followed the Serpent design, I dunno what the hell Zhatan was supposed to be but it worked for him lol
    Makes me very curious as to what the other 3 Elders look like but in my mind I picture Bubbles looking something akin to a hybrid of Turtle, Dragon and Kraken.

  • Turkeyspit.3965Turkeyspit.3965 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @ROMANG.1903 said:

    Easy solution to the problem you're describing:

  • ROMANG.1903ROMANG.1903 Member ✭✭✭

    @Teratus.2859 said:
    I think the Skyscale is essentially a cut and paste model of Aurine.. and Aurine is pretty much a modified model of the Griffon.

    It probably wouldn't be too much work to modify the Wyvern models into usable mounts but I guess it was simply quicker and easier to go with the Skyscale as that work had already been done for Aurine.

    I like both Wyverns and Dragons but given the choice I'd rather have gone with the Skyscale as it is rather than a Wyvern, this is mostly due to Wyverns becoming increasingly common in games, movies and even popular Tv often times wrongly potrayed as Dragons despite their obvious Wyvern traits.
    Both Skyrim and Game of Thrones are very popular examples of this mislabeling.

    Having more traditional Dragon designs in Guidlwars is something i'm pretty happy about and we've seen various forms so far along side Wyverns as well which makes me even more happy.
    Skyscales, Aurine and Kralkatorrik all have great 4 legged designs and Mordremoth followed the Serpent design, I dunno what the hell Zhatan was supposed to be but it worked for him lol
    Makes me very curious as to what the other 3 Elders look like but in my mind I picture Bubbles looking something akin to a hybrid of Turtle, Dragon and Kraken.

    As I said, a dragon skin for the griffon would've covered that. It would've allowed for a wyvern to exist and for people to have a dragon if they want to, win-win.

    @Turkeyspit.3965 said:

    @ROMANG.1903 said:

    Easy solution to the problem you're describing:

    I sincerely hope for this. They're gonna have a hard time merging the front legs and the wings, but it looks doable. If it's a 1600 gems skin it will be my first purchase of those, though I hope we get some less flashy wyvern versions in mount liscences as well. But still, a dedicated wyvern rig would've been so much better...

  • Teratus.2859Teratus.2859 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @ROMANG.1903 said:

    @Teratus.2859 said:
    I think the Skyscale is essentially a cut and paste model of Aurine.. and Aurine is pretty much a modified model of the Griffon.

    It probably wouldn't be too much work to modify the Wyvern models into usable mounts but I guess it was simply quicker and easier to go with the Skyscale as that work had already been done for Aurine.

    I like both Wyverns and Dragons but given the choice I'd rather have gone with the Skyscale as it is rather than a Wyvern, this is mostly due to Wyverns becoming increasingly common in games, movies and even popular Tv often times wrongly potrayed as Dragons despite their obvious Wyvern traits.
    Both Skyrim and Game of Thrones are very popular examples of this mislabeling.

    Having more traditional Dragon designs in Guidlwars is something i'm pretty happy about and we've seen various forms so far along side Wyverns as well which makes me even more happy.
    Skyscales, Aurine and Kralkatorrik all have great 4 legged designs and Mordremoth followed the Serpent design, I dunno what the hell Zhatan was supposed to be but it worked for him lol
    Makes me very curious as to what the other 3 Elders look like but in my mind I picture Bubbles looking something akin to a hybrid of Turtle, Dragon and Kraken.

    As I said, a dragon skin for the griffon would've covered that. It would've allowed for a wyvern to exist and for people to have a dragon if they want to, win-win.

    Wouldn't for me, I have a personal distaste for mount skins that replace the actual mount for a different creature.
    That's the main reason I don't like most of the 2000 gem premium skins which turn the Griffon into a Lion, Springer into a Goat, Skimmer into a Hummingbird and Jackel into a Forged etc.
    Don't get me wrong the skins are cool but they bug the hell out of me in all honesty.. and I kinda wish there was an option for me to disable them specifically so I wouldn't have to see others using them.
    I'm not going to go begging for that though nor am I going to berate other players for using them for obvious reasons.

    I wanted a Dragon mount not a Dragon skin for a different animal and i'm glad the Skyscale was unique enough to warrant it, and as I said in my post, Wyverns are so overdone in games and other media these days.. it's refreshing to me anyway that GW2 has actual Dragons with actual Dragon designs.

  • Mini Crinny.6190Mini Crinny.6190 Member ✭✭✭

    Incoming new Wyvern Gemstore skin

  • Absconditus.6804Absconditus.6804 Member ✭✭✭

    Don't worry, as has been posted by others, there will inevitably be a wyvern skin for you to enjoy in exchange for some of your money, be that virtual or real.

    Seafarer's Rest | Enryon | Mistwarden [Hero]

  • ROMANG.1903ROMANG.1903 Member ✭✭✭

    @Teratus.2859 said:

    @ROMANG.1903 said:

    @Teratus.2859 said:
    I think the Skyscale is essentially a cut and paste model of Aurine.. and Aurine is pretty much a modified model of the Griffon.

    It probably wouldn't be too much work to modify the Wyvern models into usable mounts but I guess it was simply quicker and easier to go with the Skyscale as that work had already been done for Aurine.

    I like both Wyverns and Dragons but given the choice I'd rather have gone with the Skyscale as it is rather than a Wyvern, this is mostly due to Wyverns becoming increasingly common in games, movies and even popular Tv often times wrongly potrayed as Dragons despite their obvious Wyvern traits.
    Both Skyrim and Game of Thrones are very popular examples of this mislabeling.

    Having more traditional Dragon designs in Guidlwars is something i'm pretty happy about and we've seen various forms so far along side Wyverns as well which makes me even more happy.
    Skyscales, Aurine and Kralkatorrik all have great 4 legged designs and Mordremoth followed the Serpent design, I dunno what the hell Zhatan was supposed to be but it worked for him lol
    Makes me very curious as to what the other 3 Elders look like but in my mind I picture Bubbles looking something akin to a hybrid of Turtle, Dragon and Kraken.

    As I said, a dragon skin for the griffon would've covered that. It would've allowed for a wyvern to exist and for people to have a dragon if they want to, win-win.

    Wouldn't for me, I have a personal distaste for mount skins that replace the actual mount for a different creature.
    That's the main reason I don't like most of the 2000 gem premium skins which turn the Griffon into a Lion, Springer into a Goat, Skimmer into a Hummingbird and Jackel into a Forged etc.
    Don't get me wrong the skins are cool but they bug the hell out of me in all honesty.. and I kinda wish there was an option for me to disable them specifically so I wouldn't have to see others using them.
    I'm not going to go begging for that though nor am I going to berate other players for using them for obvious reasons.

    I wanted a Dragon mount not a Dragon skin for a different animal and i'm glad the Skyscale was unique enough to warrant it, and as I said in my post, Wyverns are so overdone in games and other media these days.. it's refreshing to me anyway that GW2 has actual Dragons with actual Dragon designs.

    Okay, but the skyscale actually is a griffon skin with slightly different animations, so the situation isn't great for you either ¯_(ツ)_/¯

  • Teratus.2859Teratus.2859 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @ROMANG.1903 said:

    @Teratus.2859 said:

    @ROMANG.1903 said:

    @Teratus.2859 said:
    I think the Skyscale is essentially a cut and paste model of Aurine.. and Aurine is pretty much a modified model of the Griffon.

    It probably wouldn't be too much work to modify the Wyvern models into usable mounts but I guess it was simply quicker and easier to go with the Skyscale as that work had already been done for Aurine.

    I like both Wyverns and Dragons but given the choice I'd rather have gone with the Skyscale as it is rather than a Wyvern, this is mostly due to Wyverns becoming increasingly common in games, movies and even popular Tv often times wrongly potrayed as Dragons despite their obvious Wyvern traits.
    Both Skyrim and Game of Thrones are very popular examples of this mislabeling.

    Having more traditional Dragon designs in Guidlwars is something i'm pretty happy about and we've seen various forms so far along side Wyverns as well which makes me even more happy.
    Skyscales, Aurine and Kralkatorrik all have great 4 legged designs and Mordremoth followed the Serpent design, I dunno what the hell Zhatan was supposed to be but it worked for him lol
    Makes me very curious as to what the other 3 Elders look like but in my mind I picture Bubbles looking something akin to a hybrid of Turtle, Dragon and Kraken.

    As I said, a dragon skin for the griffon would've covered that. It would've allowed for a wyvern to exist and for people to have a dragon if they want to, win-win.

    Wouldn't for me, I have a personal distaste for mount skins that replace the actual mount for a different creature.
    That's the main reason I don't like most of the 2000 gem premium skins which turn the Griffon into a Lion, Springer into a Goat, Skimmer into a Hummingbird and Jackel into a Forged etc.
    Don't get me wrong the skins are cool but they bug the hell out of me in all honesty.. and I kinda wish there was an option for me to disable them specifically so I wouldn't have to see others using them.
    I'm not going to go begging for that though nor am I going to berate other players for using them for obvious reasons.

    I wanted a Dragon mount not a Dragon skin for a different animal and i'm glad the Skyscale was unique enough to warrant it, and as I said in my post, Wyverns are so overdone in games and other media these days.. it's refreshing to me anyway that GW2 has actual Dragons with actual Dragon designs.

    Okay, but the skyscale actually is a griffon skin with slightly different animations, so the situation isn't great for you either ¯_(ツ)_/¯

    It's still it's own mount, that's what matters in the end.
    We could make the same argument for a Wyvern skimmer skin if it really didn't matter to those who wanted a Wyvern.

  • Obtena.7952Obtena.7952 Member ✭✭✭✭

    I don't get why this is a problem .. unless you are some kind of RPing Wyvern Scholar.

    If you think balancing is only driven by performance and justified by comparisons to other classes then prepare to be educated:

    https://www.guildwars2.com/en/news/balance-updates-the-heralds-near-future-and-pvp-league-season-13/

  • Ashantara.8731Ashantara.8731 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Don't worry, there will be a Wyvern skin for this mount soon enough. :)

  • Kidel.2057Kidel.2057 Member ✭✭✭
    edited May 17, 2019

    Missed? Maybe delayed? They can make a skin (that I personally won't buy because I prefer a dragon).

    However it's not the issue with Skyscale at the moment. I couldn't care less about the way it looks (and honestly I like it). The problem is that you basically need a legendary collection for a weaker Springer.

  • zealex.9410zealex.9410 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited May 17, 2019

    Im really hoping for a wyvern skin for the skyscale. It will prob be the only full priced skin i buy.

  • Rukario.1695Rukario.1695 Member ✭✭✭

    In reality I see a Dragon being the more popular choice. I never saw nor have heard of anyone asking for a Wyvern mount before I saw this post.

    More violence, less violets I say. I'm rich you know, because I watch the ledges.

  • LucianDK.8615LucianDK.8615 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Rukario.1695 said:
    In reality I see a Dragon being the more popular choice. I never saw nor have heard of anyone asking for a Wyvern mount before I saw this post.

    Dragons are far more the popular creature, and I too have never heard of wyvernphiles before now.

  • Adenin.5973Adenin.5973 Member ✭✭✭

    I like Wyvern far more. Dragons look like a normal animal with 4 legs just got 2 wings attached to it. Does look weird with its 4 legs when airborn, far too heavy imo.

    Wyvern look more natural and it's hard to describe but I think the overal structure of the Wyvern body makes it much more easier to get a good animation for flying.

    Obviously we'll never see a wyvern now. The base griffon skeleton that got once more copied is just far too different imo to allow that. And when you consider how a wyvern had to walk on ground and how a griffon does it you realize that there is no way to get a wyvern skin now.

    I think it's a shame, especially since the more recent GoT wyverns look so awesome

  • Neural.1824Neural.1824 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Anet created the Skyscale as a means of providing a dragon-like mount while at the same time maintaining a somewhat low profile as far as community noise goes.
    I mean, let's be real. If they'd made a Wyvern, the forums would be a battlezone for the next 3 years over the pronunciation of the name. :D

    Soul-binding needs to be allowed to die gracefully. It has expired. It is long past it's time to become a footnote in the history of gaming.

  • ROMANG.1903ROMANG.1903 Member ✭✭✭

    @Neural.1824 said:
    I mean, let's be real. If they'd made a Wyvern, the forums would be a battlezone for the next 3 years over the pronunciation of the name. :D

    It's obviously pronounced "Wyvern"

  • The Greyhawk.9107The Greyhawk.9107 Member ✭✭✭

    I think they made the better choice, recycled assets not of particular relevance. The pet wyverns have a really awkward running animation, which would only be exacerbated when riding the kitten thing, and I don't think Anet wouldn't been able to fix that.

    Hate Is Fuel.

  • ROMANG.1903ROMANG.1903 Member ✭✭✭

    @The Greyhawk.9107 said:
    I think they made the better choice, recycled assets not of particular relevance. The pet wyverns have a really awkward running animation, which would only be exacerbated when riding the kitten thing, and I don't think Anet wouldn't been able to fix that.

    They didn't the mobs wolf rig to make the Jackal. I don't see why they would re-use the existing wyvern rig to make a mount, they would create a new one, with new animations.

  • The Greyhawk.9107The Greyhawk.9107 Member ✭✭✭

    @ROMANG.1903 said:

    @The Greyhawk.9107 said:
    I think they made the better choice, recycled assets not of particular relevance. The pet wyverns have a really awkward running animation, which would only be exacerbated when riding the kitten thing, and I don't think Anet wouldn't been able to fix that.

    They didn't the mobs wolf rig to make the Jackal. I don't see why they would re-use the existing wyvern rig to make a mount, they would create a new one, with new animations.

    I don't really understand why this is important. I don't see why every new mount type HAS to use new assets, its just not something I'd really notice more than peripherally and I just don't see it as an argument for going with a wyvern instead. Like I said before, I can't see a wyvern mount NOT having an awkward and motion sickness inducing running animation.

    Hate Is Fuel.

  • Rukario.1695Rukario.1695 Member ✭✭✭

    @The Greyhawk.9107 said:

    @ROMANG.1903 said:

    @The Greyhawk.9107 said:
    I think they made the better choice, recycled assets not of particular relevance. The pet wyverns have a really awkward running animation, which would only be exacerbated when riding the kitten thing, and I don't think Anet wouldn't been able to fix that.

    They didn't the mobs wolf rig to make the Jackal. I don't see why they would re-use the existing wyvern rig to make a mount, they would create a new one, with new animations.

    I don't really understand why this is important. I don't see why every new mount type HAS to use new assets, its just not something I'd really notice more than peripherally and I just don't see it as an argument for going with a wyvern instead. Like I said before, I can't see a wyvern mount NOT having an awkward and motion sickness inducing running animation.

    The only way this could be alleviated is if it flies as you go to move forward, backward, etc, and it lands when you stop.

    But still.

    More violence, less violets I say. I'm rich you know, because I watch the ledges.

  • zombyturtle.5980zombyturtle.5980 Member ✭✭✭

    I really hate they reused assets for something as important as a mount. It feels cheap and not up to the quality of other gw2 mounts which were meant to be unique.
    I dont really care if they made it a wyvern or totally different animal, just anything with a new model would have been better than what we got.
    The skyscale even has the griffins neck collar, feels like lazy design.

  • Kidel.2057Kidel.2057 Member ✭✭✭

    The Skyscale has nothing taken from the Griffon. Model, skeleton and animations are unique. Teen Aurene has some recycled Griffon assets

  • gateless gate.8406gateless gate.8406 Member ✭✭✭

    @Kidel.2057 said:
    The Skyscale has nothing taken from the Griffon. Model, skeleton and animations are unique. Teen Aurene has some recycled Griffon assets

    http://lmgtfy.com/?q=optometrist+near+me

  • gateless gate.8406gateless gate.8406 Member ✭✭✭
    edited May 18, 2019

    @The Greyhawk.9107 said:

    @ROMANG.1903 said:

    @The Greyhawk.9107 said:
    I think they made the better choice, recycled assets not of particular relevance. The pet wyverns have a really awkward running animation, which would only be exacerbated when riding the kitten thing, and I don't think Anet wouldn't been able to fix that.

    They didn't the mobs wolf rig to make the Jackal. I don't see why they would re-use the existing wyvern rig to make a mount, they would create a new one, with new animations.

    I don't really understand why this is important. I don't see why every new mount type HAS to use new assets, its just not something I'd really notice more than peripherally and I just don't see it as an argument for going with a wyvern instead. Like I said before, I can't see a wyvern mount NOT having an awkward and motion sickness inducing running animation.

    As others have said, it's simply about quality. Quality is a sliding scale. Re-cycling an animation rig for something as important, in your face, and visible as a mount is a reduction in game quality (especially when previous mounts did not do so). If you're listening ANet, all I can say is: Reducing the quality of your game stinks, is not enjoyed by players, and will not lead to growth.

  • The Greyhawk.9107The Greyhawk.9107 Member ✭✭✭

    @Rukario.1695 said:

    @The Greyhawk.9107 said:

    @ROMANG.1903 said:

    @The Greyhawk.9107 said:
    I think they made the better choice, recycled assets not of particular relevance. The pet wyverns have a really awkward running animation, which would only be exacerbated when riding the kitten thing, and I don't think Anet wouldn't been able to fix that.

    They didn't the mobs wolf rig to make the Jackal. I don't see why they would re-use the existing wyvern rig to make a mount, they would create a new one, with new animations.

    I don't really understand why this is important. I don't see why every new mount type HAS to use new assets, its just not something I'd really notice more than peripherally and I just don't see it as an argument for going with a wyvern instead. Like I said before, I can't see a wyvern mount NOT having an awkward and motion sickness inducing running animation.

    The only way this could be alleviated is if it flies as you go to move forward, backward, etc, and it lands when you stop.

    But still.

    But still? But still what? Using a four legged model, recycled or not, is simply the more logical choice.
    And to those of you that have done so, calling your detractors dumb, trolls, or blind isn't going to endear anyone to your side of things.

    Hate Is Fuel.

  • Arzurag.7506Arzurag.7506 Member ✭✭✭

    @Kidel.2057 said:
    The Skyscale has nothing taken from the Griffon. Model, skeleton and animations are unique. Teen Aurene has some recycled Griffon assets

    The skyscale's devs confirmed that they were using the griffon's rig and assets.
    The only unique thing about this mount is its name, skin and abilities.

    Personally, I'm quite sad that they were re-using the same rig again.
    When pof was released, I was astonished by the mounts, which are probably the best and most unique mounts across all mmos.
    Though, anet has gotten kinda lazy lately, when it comes to creating new mounts.

    "I´m not big on sermons nor words, Broken bones teach better lessons and speak for themselves."

  • Ashantara.8731Ashantara.8731 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @ROMANG.1903 said:

    @Neural.1824 said:
    I mean, let's be real. If they'd made a Wyvern, the forums would be a battlezone for the next 3 years over the pronunciation of the name. :D

    It's obviously pronounced "Wyvern"

    LOL! =)

    I'm on Team Wiv-ern :p (not Why-vern), as that is how it has been pronounced in GW2 by the characters.

  • Rukario.1695Rukario.1695 Member ✭✭✭

    @The Greyhawk.9107 said:

    @Rukario.1695 said:

    @The Greyhawk.9107 said:

    @ROMANG.1903 said:

    @The Greyhawk.9107 said:
    I think they made the better choice, recycled assets not of particular relevance. The pet wyverns have a really awkward running animation, which would only be exacerbated when riding the kitten thing, and I don't think Anet wouldn't been able to fix that.

    They didn't the mobs wolf rig to make the Jackal. I don't see why they would re-use the existing wyvern rig to make a mount, they would create a new one, with new animations.

    I don't really understand why this is important. I don't see why every new mount type HAS to use new assets, its just not something I'd really notice more than peripherally and I just don't see it as an argument for going with a wyvern instead. Like I said before, I can't see a wyvern mount NOT having an awkward and motion sickness inducing running animation.

    The only way this could be alleviated is if it flies as you go to move forward, backward, etc, and it lands when you stop.

    But still.

    But still? But still what? Using a four legged model, recycled or not, is simply the more logical choice.
    And to those of you that have done so, calling your detractors dumb, trolls, or blind isn't going to endear anyone to your side of things.

    But still, it didn't happen. I didn't even say anything about anything else, I was talking about the movement. Chill out.

    More violence, less violets I say. I'm rich you know, because I watch the ledges.

  • Chasind.3128Chasind.3128 Member ✭✭✭

    Just remove front legs - keep wings & backlegs: wyvern. A wyvern mount would probably have better animations as well. Not to mention the wings would have to be larger, wyverns have bat-like anatomy.
    They gave us a dragon bc it was easier & players constantly called for a dragon skin/ mount. Griffon is still a better mount.

  • ROMANG.1903ROMANG.1903 Member ✭✭✭

    @The Greyhawk.9107 said:
    Like I said before, I can't see a wyvern mount NOT having an awkward and motion sickness inducing running animation.

    Well they managed making a bouncing bunny without giving motion sickness. As for a wyvern, long back legs are your friend, giving a more balanced shape to the creature. Character design, basically.

  • LucianDK.8615LucianDK.8615 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Rigs gets reused all the time. Remember, birds evolved from dinosaurs.

  • ROMANG.1903ROMANG.1903 Member ✭✭✭

    @LucianDK.8615 said:
    Rigs gets reused all the time. Remember, birds evolved from dinosaurs.

    But a pigeon looks nothing like a T-Rex and you can't just put feathers on the later to obtain the former. We aren't complaining about rigs being re-used in general, we are specificly complaining about rigs being re-used for mounts, which until recently always had their own models, animations, and were absolutely top quality compared to what we're generally used to in MMOs.

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