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Tier list for competitive/AT

Flandre.2870Flandre.2870 Member ✭✭✭
edited May 8, 2019 in PVP

All i do in this game besides pve is log in for ATs so this won't represent ranked but there you go since no one asked for it.

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  • dominik.9721dominik.9721 Member ✭✭✭
    edited May 8, 2019

    Nice thread: good overview what classes (rev,fb,scourge,scrapper,holo + rampage of warr) are broken currently.
    Glad you agree with me that those should get nerfed.

    I'd swap fb with spellbreaker, tho.
    Way easier to play without a sb than without a fb.

  • dDuff.3860dDuff.3860 Member ✭✭✭

    @dominik.9721 said:
    Nice thread: good overview what classes (rev,fb,scourge,scrapper,holo + rampage of warr) are broken currently.
    Glad you agree with me that those should get nerfed.

    I'd swap fb with spellbreaker, tho.
    Way easier to play without a sb than without a fb.

    firebrand became a punchbag, while SB rampage can 2shot you. So i feel it is pretty accurate.

  • Flandre.2870Flandre.2870 Member ✭✭✭
    edited May 8, 2019

    Yeah rampage is the best +1 in the game currently while also being an incredible teamfight/disengage/defensive tool. Not to mention spb wins every matchup besides mirage, is the best value sidenoder in teamfights and S tier class in 2v2s. But yeah its defo the low cd rampage that pushes it to S tier. FB is a punching bag just like Fae said just cause your F3 is such a long cd these days. The medi elite gives you an illusion of extra support and survi but with lack of stab you're easily focused and punished so it doesn't work as well in real scenarios.

  • Snellibee.2761Snellibee.2761 Member ✭✭✭

    That's pretty well designed compliments to the chef

  • Snellibee.2761Snellibee.2761 Member ✭✭✭

    @dominik.9721 said:
    Nice thread: good overview what classes (rev,fb,scourge,scrapper,holo + rampage of warr) are broken currently.
    Glad you agree with me that those should get nerfed.

    I'd swap fb with spellbreaker, tho.
    Way easier to play without a sb than without a fb.

    Why nerf rev and scourge?

  • Yannir.4132Yannir.4132 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Looks about right. It's just missing 8/9 Core classes.

  • dominik.9721dominik.9721 Member ✭✭✭
    edited May 8, 2019

    @dDuff.3860 said:

    @dominik.9721 said:
    Nice thread: good overview what classes (rev,fb,scourge,scrapper,holo + rampage of warr) are broken currently.
    Glad you agree with me that those should get nerfed.

    I'd swap fb with spellbreaker, tho.
    Way easier to play without a sb than without a fb.

    firebrand became a punchbag, while SB rampage can 2shot you. So i feel it is pretty accurate.

    A punchbag that currently facerolls teamfights with duable Rev and who will be even more broken when Rev and holo dmg gets adjusted.

  • Balsa.3951Balsa.3951 Member ✭✭✭

    kitten im lol

  • Yannir.4132Yannir.4132 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited May 8, 2019

    @Flandre.2870 said:

    @Yannir.4132 said:
    Looks about right. It's just missing 8/9 Core classes.

    Because you'd never want to pick them over the elite specs. Thief is an exception.

    I'd pick Core Guard over DH any day. Makes no sense to exclude Core Guard if you include DH. It is currently just a downgrade of Core in PvP.
    On the other hand, I wouldn't pick Core Guard over any class which is more or less in the same role.

  • dDuff.3860dDuff.3860 Member ✭✭✭
    edited May 8, 2019

    @dominik.9721 said:

    @dDuff.3860 said:

    @dominik.9721 said:
    Nice thread: good overview what classes (rev,fb,scourge,scrapper,holo + rampage of warr) are broken currently.
    Glad you agree with me that those should get nerfed.

    I'd swap fb with spellbreaker, tho.
    Way easier to play without a sb than without a fb.

    firebrand became a punchbag, while SB rampage can 2shot you. So i feel it is pretty accurate.

    A punchbag that currently facerolls teamfights with duable Rev and who will be even more broken when Rev and holo dmg gets adjusted.

    Recently, I've been doing ATs without firebrand and with second scourge instead, We've facerolled every other team so far. Ones with FB on the enemy team were much easier. So my experience tells me, you're incorrect.

  • dominik.9721dominik.9721 Member ✭✭✭
    edited May 8, 2019

    @dDuff.3860 said:

    @dominik.9721 said:

    @dDuff.3860 said:

    @dominik.9721 said:
    Nice thread: good overview what classes (rev,fb,scourge,scrapper,holo + rampage of warr) are broken currently.
    Glad you agree with me that those should get nerfed.

    I'd swap fb with spellbreaker, tho.
    Way easier to play without a sb than without a fb.

    firebrand became a punchbag, while SB rampage can 2shot you. So i feel it is pretty accurate.

    A punchbag that currently facerolls teamfights with duable Rev and who will be even more broken when Rev and holo dmg gets adjusted.

    Recently, I've been doing ATs without firebrand and with second scourge instead, We've facerolled every other team so far. Ones with FB on the enemy team were much easier. So my experience tells me, you're incorrect.

    So it's not broken because you won against it with two other broken classes? Flawless.
    And what teams you won against?
    Vin aeone at 4am?

  • melandru.3876melandru.3876 Member ✭✭✭

    @dDuff.3860 said:

    @dominik.9721 said:

    @dDuff.3860 said:

    @dominik.9721 said:
    Nice thread: good overview what classes (rev,fb,scourge,scrapper,holo + rampage of warr) are broken currently.
    Glad you agree with me that those should get nerfed.

    I'd swap fb with spellbreaker, tho.
    Way easier to play without a sb than without a fb.

    firebrand became a punchbag, while SB rampage can 2shot you. So i feel it is pretty accurate.

    A punchbag that currently facerolls teamfights with duable Rev and who will be even more broken when Rev and holo dmg gets adjusted.

    Recently, I've been doing ATs without firebrand and with second scourge instead, We've facerolled every other team so far. Ones with FB on the enemy team were much easier. So my experience tells me, you're incorrect.

    It' like if poison and boon strip counters fb

  • dDuff.3860dDuff.3860 Member ✭✭✭
    edited May 8, 2019

    @dominik.9721 said:

    @dDuff.3860 said:

    @dominik.9721 said:

    @dDuff.3860 said:

    @dominik.9721 said:
    Nice thread: good overview what classes (rev,fb,scourge,scrapper,holo + rampage of warr) are broken currently.
    Glad you agree with me that those should get nerfed.

    I'd swap fb with spellbreaker, tho.
    Way easier to play without a sb than without a fb.

    firebrand became a punchbag, while SB rampage can 2shot you. So i feel it is pretty accurate.

    A punchbag that currently facerolls teamfights with duable Rev and who will be even more broken when Rev and holo dmg gets adjusted.

    Recently, I've been doing ATs without firebrand and with second scourge instead, We've facerolled every other team so far. Ones with FB on the enemy team were much easier. So my experience tells me, you're incorrect.

    So it's not broken because you won against it with two other broken classes? Flawless.
    And what teams you won against?
    Vin aeone at 4am?

    No, prime time ATs only, and I'm speaking from the position of winning potentially good teams in tryhard mode.
    https://ibb.co/zXmRrRD
    https://ibb.co/0csL1fz
    Other than that, we're not speaking of broken/not broken, don't see the reason for being so toxic, we're speaking of firebrand being an A tier, rather than S tier, because of several reasons. The point is, you just sit on FB's face and snowball everything else after it dies. With FB against FB, it comes to which one dies first.

    EDIT: If you're curious, you can also check my last vod with this setup in another prime time daily AT, where we were trying to confirm that it wasn't a luck.

  • Ryan.9387Ryan.9387 Member ✭✭✭

    @Flandre.2870 said:
    All i do in this game besides pve is log in for ATs so this won't represent ranked but there you go since no one asked for it.

    Spellbreaker down 2, holo up 1, soulbeast up 1.

    Spellbreaker from experience has trouble hard carrying. Since it is melee only, fast classes can kite make sb waste time, even if the sb is a better player (holo/soulbeast/mesmer notably).

    Holo (static discharge) has exceptional range damage which is harder to kite. In addition, it is one of two classes whose meta build can launch downed bodies to prevent a res. This lets you focus squishy targets and ignore the support without suffering from the mercy res. It also lets you fully bleed enemies by knocking them off node after downing them.

    Soulbeast is an exceptional 1v1 class and is very fast. It feels like the ideal homepoint class. Fast enough to prevent decaps and with ranged damage to provide value at mid without dropping into the melee.

    Fb is generally not as interesting anymore. Almost feels like the pure support role is non viable. I feel I would rather have a harrier fb with a reaper in the teamfight than support and scourge.

  • dominik.9721dominik.9721 Member ✭✭✭
    edited May 8, 2019

    @dDuff.3860 said:

    @dominik.9721 said:

    @dDuff.3860 said:

    @dominik.9721 said:

    @dDuff.3860 said:

    @dominik.9721 said:
    Nice thread: good overview what classes (rev,fb,scourge,scrapper,holo + rampage of warr) are broken currently.
    Glad you agree with me that those should get nerfed.

    I'd swap fb with spellbreaker, tho.
    Way easier to play without a sb than without a fb.

    firebrand became a punchbag, while SB rampage can 2shot you. So i feel it is pretty accurate.

    A punchbag that currently facerolls teamfights with duable Rev and who will be even more broken when Rev and holo dmg gets adjusted.

    Recently, I've been doing ATs without firebrand and with second scourge instead, We've facerolled every other team so far. Ones with FB on the enemy team were much easier. So my experience tells me, you're incorrect.

    So it's not broken because you won against it with two other broken classes? Flawless.
    And what teams you won against?
    Vin aeone at 4am?

    No, prime time ATs only, and I'm speaking from the position of winning potentially good teams in tryhard mode.
    https://ibb.co/zXmRrRD
    https://ibb.co/0csL1fz
    Other than that, we're not speaking of broken/not broken, don't see the reason for being so toxic, we're speaking of firebrand being an A tier, rather than S tier, because of several reasons. The point is, you just sit on FB's face and snowball everything else after it dies. With FB against FB, it comes to which one dies first.

    EDIT: If you're curious, you can also check my last vod with this setup in another prime time daily AT, where we were trying to confirm that it wasn't a luck.

    Im still 100% sure the wintrade-crew-comp with fb is way better than any other comp without fb but with sb.

    Your wins just prove my point that the only thing that competes with fb comps are comps that consists out of broken (duable scourge+Rev) stuff as well.

  • zoopop.5630zoopop.5630 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Flandre.2870 said:
    All i do in this game besides pve is log in for ATs so this won't represent ranked but there you go since no one asked for it.

    I'll Push Holo Up 1 along with Soul Beast, Regardless if this is based on AT only. Their Dps/Mobility is pretty insane overall. I would Also Move Mirage Up 1 tier Both Power And Mantra Condi Mirage is still solid in NA for Rank/At's.

    Everything else seems pretty solid.

  • Xcution.4768Xcution.4768 Member ✭✭

    Am i the only one who plays druid in ATs :anguished:

  • Kolly.9872Kolly.9872 Member ✭✭

    @otto.5684 said:

    @Flandre.2870 said:
    All i do in this game besides pve is log in for ATs so this won't represent ranked but there you go since no one asked for it.

    I would move holo and FB to S. Move would soul beast to A. berserker, to C. Mirage to C. Tempest to lol. I would put core guardian at C. Every other core build, except thief to lol.

    Daredevil to lol

  • mrauls.6519mrauls.6519 Member ✭✭✭

    Rest in peace DH

  • Psycoprophet.8107Psycoprophet.8107 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Arenanet really needs to take serious look at the huge disparity between the classes regarding thier effectiveness. It should be high on thier priority list imo.

  • @Ryan.9387 said:

    Spellbreaker down 2

    nah

    holo up 1, soulbeast up 1.

    yeah.

    [Charr Noises]
    [Plays every class]
    [JUST GIT EVEN GUDDER ITS FINE]

  • sephiroth.4217sephiroth.4217 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Tempest actually made the list :astonished:

    Not to brag, but I put together a puzzle in 4 days and the box said 2-4 years.
    Please allow team queue with rewards again at our own discretion.
    06210311 251521 121512

  • Falan.1839Falan.1839 Member ✭✭✭

    Holo is correctly placed, it's definitely not S tier. It's decent and can be real value against the rights comp, but definitely doesn't come close to Rev in TF or Spb on Sidenode. This is about ATs with optimized comps, not Ranked where flexibility of roles can be a strength.

    Falásya / Caissech

    "When you say it's gonna happen "now"
    When exactly do you mean?
    See I've already waited too long
    And all my hope is gone"
    The Smiths about Balance and PvP changes

  • Daredevil should be in lol or in any category you want to create below that.

  • Lighter.5631Lighter.5631 Member ✭✭✭

    SB down one/two thanks.
    low team-fight potential.
    main side node fighter, but can be kitted easily if you just focus on surviving and contesting the node

  • Euthymias.7984Euthymias.7984 Member ✭✭✭

    This feels mostly accurate, though Spellbreaker should only be S tier with the Rampage icon in the middle. Its A Tier otherwise. Firebrand (to me, anyway) still feels like its S tier for being massively popular for teamfight survival, though. Soulbeast is potentially A tier.

  • nice meme lol

  • Quadox.7834Quadox.7834 Member ✭✭✭

    But has anyone won mAT without an FB?

    // Yanim

  • Serenity.6304Serenity.6304 Member ✭✭
    edited May 11, 2019

    You think Scourge is A Tier without a FB?
    Being alone as a Scourge it requires the use of no port spots, a good reaction time and kiting skills to survive the initiate fight, and if I get focused and I got 3 team mates jumping on me and following me, I die real fast. Barely no sustain, no blocks, no "last resort" skill,... This is why I am in doubt about being A Tier. I would think A Tier had more skills to sustain. Holo, Scrapper and FB all have them. In the lower B tier we have other classes more similar to scourge, basically with clear weaknesses and easy counters.

    ~ Miyu Chan

  • Widmo.3186Widmo.3186 Member ✭✭✭

    Daredevil
    In
    2019
    O M E G A L U L

    Dont mind me, I just randomly spam 35 skill-buttons

  • AngelLovesFredrik.6741AngelLovesFredrik.6741 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Core guard not even making the list, FeelsBadMan.

    ~ God Tier Guardian

  • Lilyanna.9361Lilyanna.9361 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited May 11, 2019

    Can someone explain to people FB can't tank anything like a scrapper. It is literally just a Tempest on drugs. Literally can't even bunker by itself without it's scourge buddy bumping it up with barrier.

    Sure it's A-tier because it basically outclasses every other support spec, but it sure as hell is not bunkering a Spellbreaker, Herald, Holo, or Soulbeast when multihit attacks exist to break any aegis they give by itself. It stopped bunkering by itself after their initial nerfs.

  • torben.1532torben.1532 Member ✭✭

    I would move up firebrand to S tier as every competitive team needs one to be successful

  • Miles Smiles.8951Miles Smiles.8951 Member ✭✭✭

    @dDuff.3860 said:

    @dominik.9721 said:

    @dDuff.3860 said:

    @dominik.9721 said:

    @dDuff.3860 said:

    @dominik.9721 said:
    Nice thread: good overview what classes (rev,fb,scourge,scrapper,holo + rampage of warr) are broken currently.
    Glad you agree with me that those should get nerfed.

    I'd swap fb with spellbreaker, tho.
    Way easier to play without a sb than without a fb.

    firebrand became a punchbag, while SB rampage can 2shot you. So i feel it is pretty accurate.

    A punchbag that currently facerolls teamfights with duable Rev and who will be even more broken when Rev and holo dmg gets adjusted.

    Recently, I've been doing ATs without firebrand and with second scourge instead, We've facerolled every other team so far. Ones with FB on the enemy team were much easier. So my experience tells me, you're incorrect.

    So it's not broken because you won against it with two other broken classes? Flawless.
    And what teams you won against?
    Vin aeone at 4am?

    No, prime time ATs only, and I'm speaking from the position of winning potentially good teams in tryhard mode.
    https://ibb.co/zXmRrRD
    https://ibb.co/0csL1fz
    Other than that, we're not speaking of broken/not broken, don't see the reason for being so toxic, we're speaking of firebrand being an A tier, rather than S tier, because of several reasons. The point is, you just sit on FB's face and snowball everything else after it dies. With FB against FB, it comes to which one dies first.

    EDIT: If you're curious, you can also check my last vod with this setup in another prime time daily AT, where we were trying to confirm that it wasn't a luck.

    Ye, see how "lol" tier Gorm's druid does all the work alongside blood necroes. Me and you, we were... just there :)

  • LolLookAtMyAP.8394LolLookAtMyAP.8394 Member ✭✭✭

    Thief should be A

  • Stale.3527Stale.3527 Member ✭✭

    Imagine the diversity and team comps that could become viable if everything was within 2-3 class tiers. Or even if the gap between each tier wasn't as big as it is now.

  • otto.5684otto.5684 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited May 12, 2019

    @Stale.3527 said:
    Imagine the diversity and team comps that could become viable if everything was within 2-3 class tiers. Or even if the gap between each tier wasn't as big as it is now.

    I can imagine. Unfortunately, The current Anet dev team is never going to fulfill this vision. Do they lack the competence, the will or the vision? I dunno. But for a game entering its seventh year, and we still do not even have 1 competitive build per class, there is little hope for improvements.

  • Asuran.5469Asuran.5469 Member ✭✭

    List looks good. Deadeye should be moved to bottom tier. Not sure about druid being bottom tier. There is one guy who plays it that is as tanky as any scrapper.

  • Jay.3409Jay.3409 Member ✭✭

    its sad to see that the reason these classes are top of the tier list is because of anet giving these guys crazy buffs, while everyone on B tier is all about skill

  • Gamble.4580Gamble.4580 Member ✭✭✭

    Reaper be soo good tho. I would say it’s in A! Boom yeah I said it!

  • Alchimist.4738Alchimist.4738 Member ✭✭✭

    Move Holo in S, SB in A.
    Add core Guardian in C.

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