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Okay so you're reducing the collection timegate, but...

Gambit.9501Gambit.9501 Member ✭✭
edited May 20, 2019 in Guild Wars 2 Discussion

...What about the Charged Quartz requirements? There's no way around that. Most people will still take 12 days to get all the quartz. This doesn't really change anything for most people, especially when there was no heads up about this to begin with.

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  • Blocki.4931Blocki.4931 Member ✭✭✭✭

    It's still going to be over a week until they patch it so chop chop.

    And I firmly believe most people won't have a shortage of charged quartz at all. A majority of people stuck with this game for many years and there aren't many sinks for it. Even I had 36 of them and all I ever did was farm the node every other day at the most.

    Smugly chuckling forever.
    My sentence doesn't make sense? Well, I probably forgot to write half of it before posting.

  • Linken.6345Linken.6345 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited May 20, 2019

    @Randulf.7614 said:

    @Blocki.4931 said:
    It's still going to be over a week until they patch it so chop chop.

    And I firmly believe most people won't have a shortage of charged quartz at all. A majority of people stuck with this game for many years and there aren't many sinks for it. Even I had 36 of them and all I ever did was farm the node every other day at the most.

    Im not sure about that. I doubt people stockpile them since they have extremely few sources to drop directly, so people tend to make when they need rather than think ahead snd prep. There will be a fair few with enough, but id be surprised if its anywhere a majority esp with so many new and returning players

    I had 156 in bank and havent charged any since before hot came out.
    OP were did they say they were reducing the collection times?

  • @Linken.6345 said:

    @Randulf.7614 said:

    @Blocki.4931 said:
    It's still going to be over a week until they patch it so chop chop.

    And I firmly believe most people won't have a shortage of charged quartz at all. A majority of people stuck with this game for many years and there aren't many sinks for it. Even I had 36 of them and all I ever did was farm the node every other day at the most.

    Im not sure about that. I doubt people stockpile them since they have extremely few sources to drop directly, so people tend to make when they need rather than think ahead snd prep. There will be a fair few with enough, but id be surprised if its anywhere a majority esp with so many new and returning players

    I had 156 in bank and havent charged any since before hot came out.
    OP were did they say they were reducing the collection times?

    It's in the News and Announcements area of the forums. As for the charged quatz, I'd be glad to sell mine if we were able to sell them. I just went ahead and bought the food. frustrating, but I'll live. I wasn't aware until I looked it up that we actually had a need for those things anyway.

  • Tman.6349Tman.6349 Member ✭✭

    Charged quartz drop from wintersday gifts. I'm surprised this is even an issue. I had almost two stacks a few months ago but turned them into gold, so I'm starting from scratch. I guess I won't be able to hover in LA like the rest of the angry lot... :/

    @sirjarros.4107 said:
    The daily collection time gating is nothing compared to the gating of the charged quartz. Myself and one other person, out of our 20-person guild, are the ONLY people who have any charged quartz. And very few have of them have the gold to buy the crafted items off the trade post. 95% of these friends don't gold farm. Don't care about or have nodes in their home instance. And I doubt their alone. It will take some of my friends WEEKS to get the mount because of this.

    Heck, keep the daily reset time gate -- that actually makes sense story-wise. Get rid of the charge quartz requirement.

    I will never understand why the dev team thinks it's ever a good idea to gate highly desired content behind a limited and difficult to get item. Didn't you learn anything from the massive mistake of makiong Sigil of Nullification required for the Requiem gear??? STOP placing content behind ridiculous exclusive and hard to get items. It's not compelling or engaging content.

    I take it none of them have the Griffin or Beetle or any elite specs or Legendary gear or other prestige items? Fake/contrived outrage doesn't prove the point you think it does...

    (Btw, about how many of these down trodden guildies have a similar posts in one of the many threads on the subject? I bet it's a minimal number, which also says plenty.)

  • Linken.6345Linken.6345 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @PhantomGoddess.5174 said:

    @Linken.6345 said:

    @Randulf.7614 said:

    @Blocki.4931 said:
    It's still going to be over a week until they patch it so chop chop.

    And I firmly believe most people won't have a shortage of charged quartz at all. A majority of people stuck with this game for many years and there aren't many sinks for it. Even I had 36 of them and all I ever did was farm the node every other day at the most.

    Im not sure about that. I doubt people stockpile them since they have extremely few sources to drop directly, so people tend to make when they need rather than think ahead snd prep. There will be a fair few with enough, but id be surprised if its anywhere a majority esp with so many new and returning players

    I had 156 in bank and havent charged any since before hot came out.
    OP were did they say they were reducing the collection times?

    It's in the News and Announcements area of the forums. As for the charged quatz, I'd be glad to sell mine if we were able to sell them. I just went ahead and bought the food. frustrating, but I'll live. I wasn't aware until I looked it up that we actually had a need for those things anyway.

    I sold most of my excess by crafting food and grow lamps

  • HazyDaisy.4107HazyDaisy.4107 Member ✭✭✭✭

    I mentioned this vaguely a couple of days ago, but the thread got closed and perhaps merged.

    Anyway, Charged Quartz have a chance to drop from Wintersday presents. A festival that a lot of people participated in 6 months ago and where a lot of people opened presents in the hopes of getting the infusion and a festival that gives you a tree (if you did the collection) and that tree gives you a present every day.

    tldr; open your Wintersday Presents!

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  • VDAC.2137VDAC.2137 Member ✭✭✭

    I doubt most will have much charged quartz — doesn’t it only drop from Dry Top and some special events and personal instance nodes? I don’t know where the nodes are available from and it is not something I ever looked into as I’ve rarely needed quartz or charged quartz for anything.

    I’m not complaining about it — regular quartz is super cheap on the TP. Plus, one can buy grow lamps and food on the TP, right? This gives the option of alternately investing gold or more time if one doesn’t have it stockpiled.

  • MrRuin.9740MrRuin.9740 Member ✭✭✭

    Charged quartz has a faster method already in place. You can buy the finished item you need off the TP. You can make the gold necessary in a fraction of the time it would take to make the items, thus the option of progressing at your pace and how you want. This time gate was never a problem as there was an option around it.
    The others had no such option.

  • ixora.3569ixora.3569 Member ✭✭

    Meh the mount isnt worth it. Its there loss if they dont want to everyone with the mount and sell a kitten amount of skins and make bank but hey whatever.

  • Drecien.4508Drecien.4508 Member ✭✭✭

    How did they reduce the timegate?

    New mount skins?! Anet take my money!

  • Charged Quartz Acquisition:

    Guaranteed
    Charging quartz at a "place of power" — limited to 1x/day
    (the easiest is at the Krait Obelisk in anyone's home instance)

    5 from a single achievement: Labyrinth Runner (completing Into the Labyrinth in 20 minutes; easy enough with a friend or two)

    Gathering (Random)
    Sole source: the quartz node in one's home instance. (Maybe 1-3/week.)
    The quartz in the wild no longer drops charged quartz.

    From Foes (Random)
    None

    From Containers (Random)

    • Trick or Treat Bag — ~0.1%, i.e. to get 22 on average, you need ~82 stacks of ToTs
    • Wintersday Gift — ~0.2%, i.e. to get 22 on average, you need ~36 stacks of gifts
    • Zephyrite Curio Box & Zephyrite Supply Box — only available during Festival of the Four Winds, which isn't for a while
    • Various containers that sometimes drop from BL chests, historical loot, etc... — we can ignore these, because they aren't available to most people

    "Face the facts. Then act on them. It's ...the only doctrine I have to offer you, & it's harder than you'd think, because I swear humans seem hardwired to do anything but. Face the facts. Don't pray, don't wish, ...FACE THE FACTS. THEN act." — Quellcrist Falconer

  • Arzurag.7506Arzurag.7506 Member ✭✭✭

    I hope they also reduce the amount of ls4-currency needed.
    I would be fine with 150 but 250 is a bit much.

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  • Stalkingwolf.6035Stalkingwolf.6035 Member ✭✭✭

    @Gambit.9501 said:
    ...What about the Charged Quartz requirements? There's no way around that. Most people will still take 12 days to get all the quartz. This doesn't really change anything for most people, especially when there was no heads up about this to begin with.

    you mean 22.

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  • Stalkingwolf.6035Stalkingwolf.6035 Member ✭✭✭

    @Tman.6349 said:
    Charged quartz drop from wintersday gifts. I'm surprised this is even an issue. I had almost two stacks a few months ago but turned them into gold, so I'm starting from scratch. I guess I won't be able to hover in LA like the rest of the angry lot... :/

    because not everybody played the kitten out of wintersday.

    He who fights with monsters might take care lest he thereby become a monster

  • Bloodstealer.5978Bloodstealer.5978 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @sirjarros.4107 said:
    The daily collection time gating is nothing compared to the gating of the charged quartz. Myself and one other person, out of our 20-person guild, are the ONLY people who have any charged quartz. And very few have of them have the gold to buy the crafted items off the trade post. 95% of these friends don't gold farm. Don't care about or have nodes in their home instance. And I doubt their alone. It will take some of my friends WEEKS to get the mount because of this.

    Heck, keep the daily reset time gate -- that actually makes sense story-wise. Get rid of the charge quartz requirement.

    I will never understand why the dev team thinks it's ever a good idea to gate highly desired content behind a limited and difficult to get item. Didn't you learn anything from the massive mistake of makiong Sigil of Nullification required for the Requiem gear??? STOP placing content behind ridiculous exclusive and hard to get items. It's not compelling or engaging content.

    I would hazard a guess there are more players than you might think that do create their own stocks of all kinds of things that have limited uses.. for that very reason, because it is usually those few uses that have large requirements (maybe not in numbers but in time/value).
    I personally have over 80 in the bank, but have used a fair few on stuff in game that have requirements for them, especially guild hall upgrades.
    The fact that some items come at a monetary or time based cost is what prompts me to think, yep maybe I should make some stock for future use knowing the what the process to get them entails.
    TBH there is at least routes of supply in order for any player to get their charged quartz.. Drytop nodes, seasonal content, RNG drops, Home Instance node and of course the good ole TP.

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  • bOTEB.1573bOTEB.1573 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited May 21, 2019

    @Gambit.9501 said:
    ...What about the Charged Quartz requirements? There's no way around that. Most people will still take 12 days to get all the quartz. This doesn't really change anything for most people, especially when there was no heads up about this to begin with.

    There is a way around that - you can buy the food (which you create with the Charged Quartz) and the lamp from the TP, enjoy it :)

    Wishlist:
    Everything that kills me should be nerfed
    Remove all time gates - I play more than some people yet I receive the same rewards per day/week (PvP/WvW tickets etc)
    ANET developments/events and everything else should be in a schedule with the time I play

  • derd.6413derd.6413 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @VDAC.2137 said:
    I doubt most will have much charged quartz — doesn’t it only drop from Dry Top and some special events and personal instance nodes? I don’t know where the nodes are available from and it is not something I ever looked into as I’ve rarely needed quartz or charged quartz for anything.

    I’m not complaining about it — regular quartz is super cheap on the TP. Plus, one can buy grow lamps and food on the TP, right? This gives the option of alternately investing gold or more time if one doesn’t have it stockpiled.

    charged quartz can be made once per day by taking 25 regular quartz to a place of power

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  • Genesis.8572Genesis.8572 Member ✭✭✭

    Farm gold and then buy the skyscale food and/or grow lamp.

  • Tyncale.1629Tyncale.1629 Member ✭✭✭
    edited May 21, 2019

    People that have Charged Quartz stocked are pretty hardcore imo and in no way represent the average population. Hardcore in this case meaning that they are aware of timegated content, know the potential value of stocking up on it for future use (either for gold or for themselves), and are most likely notorious harvesters, either in the Open World or their home instance. If you are none of those, but just happen to have accumulated lots of Charged Quartz in 6 years of playing, this at least means you play a LOT. You need 25 quartz for each Charged crystal and it's not that these Quartz nodes are everywhere.

    Most people probably hardly ever come across the need for a Charged Quartz Crystal. I play quit a bit, I have a pretty full home instance(that I hardly ever harvest since it is SO boring) and I used to play in Dry top a lot for the Ambrite Collection, but I could not be bothered to harvest Quartz there either. Untill I decided to make Celestial armor and had to work through time-gated content. No problem for me, just saying that not everyone is so efficient and diligent when it comes to these aspects of the game.

    People on these forums are also not representative for the population.

    Btw, I am totally fine with the timegate.

  • Jojo.6140Jojo.6140 Member ✭✭✭

    With the recipes requiering charged quartz, players get the chance to earn some gold via crafting. Since it is so easy to max out the crafting professions, time gated materials are probably the only way to make some money with crafting. People who are patient can still craft theirs over a longer period of time, people who dont need them can craft one daily for some profit and people who are impatient can buy them in the TP. I dont see whats bad about it. Its also the same thing as with the ascended materials like deldrimor steel or spiritwood planks.

  • Kylden Ar.3724Kylden Ar.3724 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @sirjarros.4107 said:
    I will never understand why the dev team thinks it's ever a good idea to gate highly desired content behind a limited and difficult to get item. Didn't you learn anything from the massive mistake of makiong Sigil of Nullification required for the Requiem gear??? STOP placing content behind ridiculous exclusive and hard to get items. It's not compelling or engaging content.

    No, but it makes a compelling argument to their financials for Gem sales for Gems to Gold conversions.

    How many times we gotta tell you GRIND IS NOT CONTENT there ANet?

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  • @HazyDaisy.4107 said:

    tldr; open your Wintersday Presents!

    Looks at a few stacks of presents and winces - luckily has enough quartz stashed away.

  • @Drecien.4508 said:
    How did they reduce the timegate?

    They will be changing it from 24hrs to 2hrs on 28 May update - is in this link https://en-forum.guildwars2.com/discussion/77191/an-update-about-the-skyscale-acquisition

    key point : For now, we’ve made a couple of changes in areas where players were engaging in content with competing goals. In the May 28 update, we’ll reduce the time between collection tiers from 24 hours to 2 hours, to reflect the passage of a full day in Tyrian time rather than in real world time. You’ll also be able to feed your skyscale four times a day instead of three, reducing the total number of days you need to feed your skyscale by one (assuming you feed them the maximum amount each day).

  • Blude.6812Blude.6812 Member ✭✭✭

    @Blocki.4931 said:
    It's still going to be over a week until they patch it so chop chop.

    And I firmly believe most people won't have a shortage of charged quartz at all. A majority of people stuck with this game for many years and there aren't many sinks for it. Even I had 36 of them and all I ever did was farm the node every other day at the most.

    Yep had 126 of them accumulated the same way.

  • @Linken.6345 said:

    @PhantomGoddess.5174 said:

    @Linken.6345 said:

    @Randulf.7614 said:

    @Blocki.4931 said:
    It's still going to be over a week until they patch it so chop chop.

    And I firmly believe most people won't have a shortage of charged quartz at all. A majority of people stuck with this game for many years and there aren't many sinks for it. Even I had 36 of them and all I ever did was farm the node every other day at the most.

    Im not sure about that. I doubt people stockpile them since they have extremely few sources to drop directly, so people tend to make when they need rather than think ahead snd prep. There will be a fair few with enough, but id be surprised if its anywhere a majority esp with so many new and returning players

    I had 156 in bank and havent charged any since before hot came out.
    OP were did they say they were reducing the collection times?

    It's in the News and Announcements area of the forums. As for the charged quatz, I'd be glad to sell mine if we were able to sell them. I just went ahead and bought the food. frustrating, but I'll live. I wasn't aware until I looked it up that we actually had a need for those things anyway.

    I sold most of my excess by crafting food and grow lamps

    yeah, I just started to craft and sell the food ones myself as well to recoup the costs of buying them. I'm not going to do the same about the lamp though. I will just eat that cost.

  • Turkeyspit.3965Turkeyspit.3965 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Personally I just hate that they decided to go towards an outdate material from S2 maps for the final mount of S4. Why not a new 'lamp' item of sort, but that requires 500 of each of the T4 map currency, or I dunno, ANYTHING to do with S4??

    Just like the Nullification debacle, they go to an outdated material that nobody would have ready access to, other than the TP (whose stock is depleted the instant the requirement becomes public), and is difficult to acquire afterwards.

    Grow lamps have dropped in price a bit since early last week, but that still doesn't justify this terrible decision.

  • Linken.6345Linken.6345 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited May 21, 2019

    @PhantomGoddess.5174 said:

    @Linken.6345 said:

    @PhantomGoddess.5174 said:

    @Linken.6345 said:

    @Randulf.7614 said:

    @Blocki.4931 said:
    It's still going to be over a week until they patch it so chop chop.

    And I firmly believe most people won't have a shortage of charged quartz at all. A majority of people stuck with this game for many years and there aren't many sinks for it. Even I had 36 of them and all I ever did was farm the node every other day at the most.

    Im not sure about that. I doubt people stockpile them since they have extremely few sources to drop directly, so people tend to make when they need rather than think ahead snd prep. There will be a fair few with enough, but id be surprised if its anywhere a majority esp with so many new and returning players

    I had 156 in bank and havent charged any since before hot came out.
    OP were did they say they were reducing the collection times?

    It's in the News and Announcements area of the forums. As for the charged quatz, I'd be glad to sell mine if we were able to sell them. I just went ahead and bought the food. frustrating, but I'll live. I wasn't aware until I looked it up that we actually had a need for those things anyway.

    I sold most of my excess by crafting food and grow lamps

    yeah, I just started to craft and sell the food ones myself as well to recoup the costs of buying them. I'm not going to do the same about the lamp though. I will just eat that cost.

    Alot more people craft food then lamp so you get better return gold wise on the lamp mate
    Edit
    earlier today food were about 1 gold each lamp was still 30 so 3 for each quartz

  • Linken.6345Linken.6345 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Turkeyspit.3965 said:
    Personally I just hate that they decided to go towards an outdate material from S2 maps for the final mount of S4. Why not a new 'lamp' item of sort, but that requires 500 of each of the T4 map currency, or I dunno, ANYTHING to do with S4??

    Just like the Nullification debacle, they go to an outdated material that nobody would have ready access to, other than the TP (whose stock is depleted the instant the requirement becomes public), and is difficult to acquire afterwards.

    Grow lamps have dropped in price a bit since early last week, but that still doesn't justify this terrible decision.

    Dont worry mate they got you covered with the saddle it needs 250 of each living world sesaon 4 currency

  • Turkeyspit.3965Turkeyspit.3965 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited May 21, 2019

    @Linken.6345 said:

    @Turkeyspit.3965 said:
    Personally I just hate that they decided to go towards an outdate material from S2 maps for the final mount of S4. Why not a new 'lamp' item of sort, but that requires 500 of each of the T4 map currency, or I dunno, ANYTHING to do with S4??

    Just like the Nullification debacle, they go to an outdated material that nobody would have ready access to, other than the TP (whose stock is depleted the instant the requirement becomes public), and is difficult to acquire afterwards.

    Grow lamps have dropped in price a bit since early last week, but that still doesn't justify this terrible decision.

    Dont worry mate they got you covered with the saddle it needs 250 of each living world sesaon 4 currency

    Oh, well, while that may seem like a lot, at least in my mind, it is justified given this collection is the S4 capstone. It isn't as if with Aurora you needed to supply Blade Shards or Pristine Toxic Spore Samples, which is my point...

    At least S4 currency can also be earned by completing WvW/PvP reward tracks to supplement node farming.

  • Cyninja.2954Cyninja.2954 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited May 21, 2019

    @Linken.6345 said:

    @PhantomGoddess.5174 said:

    @Linken.6345 said:

    @PhantomGoddess.5174 said:

    @Linken.6345 said:

    @Randulf.7614 said:

    @Blocki.4931 said:
    It's still going to be over a week until they patch it so chop chop.

    And I firmly believe most people won't have a shortage of charged quartz at all. A majority of people stuck with this game for many years and there aren't many sinks for it. Even I had 36 of them and all I ever did was farm the node every other day at the most.

    Im not sure about that. I doubt people stockpile them since they have extremely few sources to drop directly, so people tend to make when they need rather than think ahead snd prep. There will be a fair few with enough, but id be surprised if its anywhere a majority esp with so many new and returning players

    I had 156 in bank and havent charged any since before hot came out.
    OP were did they say they were reducing the collection times?

    It's in the News and Announcements area of the forums. As for the charged quatz, I'd be glad to sell mine if we were able to sell them. I just went ahead and bought the food. frustrating, but I'll live. I wasn't aware until I looked it up that we actually had a need for those things anyway.

    I sold most of my excess by crafting food and grow lamps

    yeah, I just started to craft and sell the food ones myself as well to recoup the costs of buying them. I'm not going to do the same about the lamp though. I will just eat that cost.

    Alot more people craft food then lamp so you get better return gold wise on the lamp mate
    Edit
    earlier today food were about 1 gold each lamp was still 30 so 3 for each quartz

    That calculation doesn't make sense. The Lamp requires other materials which make up a big part of its cost next to the charged quartz, unlike the food.

    Gw2efficiency currently lists the Grow Lamp as around 15 gold (14 gold, 73 silver) to craft. Given the current TP price of around 33 - 38 gold resulting in 28 - 32 gold after taxes, that ends up being 13 - 18 gold profit and thus ends up being around 1.3 - 1.8 gold per charged Quartz.

    Similar, Piece of Skyscale Food costs around 1.2 gold to craft and yields 3.15 -3.9 gold. Resulting in 1.47 - 2.11 gold per charged Quartz after TP tax and material cost.

    EDIT: forgot the tax on the food item, bringing both items end value even closer together.

  • Illconceived Was Na.9781Illconceived Was Na.9781 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited May 21, 2019

    @Tyncale.1629 said:
    People that have Charged Quartz stocked are pretty hardcore

    That is just as inaccurate as the idea that anyone can easily get more charged quartz without waiting for reset.

    There are a couple of reasons why some veterans will have hundreds in storage:

    • Charged quartz used to drop in bulk briefly dropped in bulk from Wintersday Gifts; historically, it's dropped in somewhat higher quantities than now.
    • The home instance quartz node has been around since July 2013, 300 weeks, plenty of time to have dropped a stack or more of charged quartz.
    • There have been historical reasons to charge quartz (much as people crafted daily ascended mats), e.g. Celestial gear was popular at various periods.

    In other words, the follow statements are all accurate:

    • Some casual veterans have far more than enough charged quartz to profit from the demand and still have plenty for themselves.
    • Some hardcore newbies don't have the coin to buy their way past the c-quartz time gates.

    edit: as @Khisanth.2948 points out, the "bulk" drop rate for c-quartz was very brief and would be relatively low impact in the context of this discussion.

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  • I like the people who are in a rush and are paying the market demand for lamps.

  • TheGrimm.5624TheGrimm.5624 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Tyncale.1629 said:
    People that have Charged Quartz stocked are pretty hardcore imo and in no way represent the average population. Hardcore in this case meaning that they are aware of timegated content, know the potential value of stocking up on it for future use (either for gold or for themselves), and are most likely notorious harvesters, either in the Open World or their home instance. If you are none of those, but just happen to have accumulated lots of Charged Quartz in 6 years of playing, this at least means you play a LOT. You need 25 quartz for each Charged crystal and it's not that these Quartz nodes are everywhere.

    Most people probably hardly ever come across the need for a Charged Quartz Crystal. I play quit a bit, I have a pretty full home instance(that I hardly ever harvest since it is SO boring) and I used to play in Dry top a lot for the Ambrite Collection, but I could not be bothered to harvest Quartz there either. Untill I decided to make Celestial armor and had to work through time-gated content. No problem for me, just saying that not everyone is so efficient and diligent when it comes to these aspects of the game.

    People on these forums are also not representative for the population.

    Btw, I am totally fine with the timegate.

    I disagree. There are a number of sources of crystal, as stated in this thread winterdays is one. I might grant that people with more crystals might not have had a use for them and others might be just people that gather not knowing when materials might be needed. A number of forum posts have been about having more uses for more materials so Anet is just doing things that have been requested. The fact that it calls for materials that some people might have gathered and others not that's a player issue. Its not like the sources for these are gone either outside of not being wintersday. Players have also been asking for more reasons to visit older maps, again ANet is doing that. Read that charged crystal will be needed and first thought was, cool drytop event time.

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  • TheGrimm.5624TheGrimm.5624 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @sirjarros.4107 said:
    It will take some of my friends WEEKS to get the mount because of this.

    It will probably take me weeks to do it as well. What is this blocking you from doing with your friends in game?

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  • lare.5129lare.5129 Member ✭✭

    as for me don't see any problem. Not very good if we need 250 charges crystals )

  • Tyncale.1629Tyncale.1629 Member ✭✭✭

    @TheGrimm.5624 said:
    I disagree. There are a number of sources of crystal, as stated in this thread winterdays is one.

    So how abundant were those Charged Quartz crystals in those Wintersday Gifts? I participated some in the earliest events and must have opened at least 50 Wintersday gifts, but can not remember ending up with lots of Charged Quartz crystals.

  • TheGrimm.5624TheGrimm.5624 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Tyncale.1629 said:
    I do not think that being a veteran automatically means you have;

    a) participated in Wintersday events and opened up lots of presents; I play since day 1 and hardly ever participate in these events.
    b) earned/bought a quartz node for your home instance; lots of people can't be bothered with their instance and nodes;
    c) actually harvested that instance consistently;
    d) turned normal quartz into Charged quartz regularly;

    I am sure lots of players had some need for a few Charged Quartz crystals at some point. However having a stock of Charged Quartz (rather then a bunch of regular Quartz crystals) in your material storage for me is an indication that you are a little more then just someone who played for a long time.

    We probably could argue what we would consider a "stock" though. I had like 9 in my storage when I decided to make my first set of Celestial. I guess we could consider that a stock.

    Doesn't matter if you have 9 or 2000. You can go and acquire as many as you want. There is a time to be spent in collecting them, some people would have already paid that price in the past unknowingly and some people will have to spend that time now. This is in balance. I am not gathering green wood right now. If I encounter something that requires it I will have to go do so. I am not going to ask the requirement to be changed because I didn't have something I could have been collecting and just wasn't.

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  • Tyncale.1629Tyncale.1629 Member ✭✭✭
    edited May 21, 2019

    Oh, I am perfectly happy with the fact that I can make them myself, once a day. I am not in a hurry at all. I think it is good that they made the treats tradable, but not necessary for me.

    My original post was a reaction to Blocky.4931 stating that "most players must have no shortage of those Charged quartz". I do not believe that.

  • TheGrimm.5624TheGrimm.5624 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Tyncale.1629 said:

    @TheGrimm.5624 said:
    I disagree. There are a number of sources of crystal, as stated in this thread winterdays is one.

    So how abundant were those Charged Quartz crystals in those Wintersday Gifts? I participated some in the earliest events and must have opened at least 50 Wintersday gifts, but can not remember ending up with lots of Charged Quartz crystals.

    Charged, low enough that I wouldn't recommend buying them, getting them from the event and finding one was a plus. There were a good number of crystals and Wintersday gets you enough crystals that you will want to make sure you are doing a conversion a day.

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  • aven.1537aven.1537 Member

    this is 1 of my biggest gripe with gw2 after hots. mind i jump in and out gw2 so not always playing it. everything now has some for of gate to it. this is for the new dragon mount. this is great for the ppl who play all the time, but me i'll never get it. it would be great to see them drop gates like this after a 6-9 month period and make stuff easy to get.

  • Khisanth.2948Khisanth.2948 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Blocki.4931 said:
    It's still going to be over a week until they patch it so chop chop.

    And I firmly believe most people won't have a shortage of charged quartz at all. A majority of people stuck with this game for many years and there aren't many sinks for it. Even I had 36 of them and all I ever did was farm the node every other day at the most.

    Well if they ... never charged it from HP, doesn't mine the home instance node and sold all their ToT/Wintersday Gifts then having 0 would not be unusual no matter how long they have played.

    @sirjarros.4107 said:
    I will never understand why the dev team thinks it's ever a good idea to gate highly desired content behind a limited and difficult to get item. Didn't you learn anything from the massive mistake of makiong Sigil of Nullification required for the Requiem gear??? STOP placing content behind ridiculous exclusive and hard to get items. It's not compelling or engaging content.

    That is simple. The time gate is to stretch out the content.

    Charged quartz itself is one of the many things to encourage people to log in daily.

    It is also required for guild upgrades but you can also buy that item on the TP as well.

    @Illconceived Was Na.9781 said:

    • Charged quartz used to drop in bulk from Wintersday Gifts (it was actually a complaint, because there aren't many uses for it)

    That was a bug that was fixed within about a week. They were dropping in place of the normal quartz.

  • @Khisanth.2948 said:
    That was a bug that was fixed within about a week. They were dropping in place of the normal quartz.

    I forgot about that actually. I was thinking farther back, when it just had a higher drop rate generally. Maybe "bulk" is the wrong word. The current ratio is about 16 ordinary to 1 charged. My old records have it dropping more like 9:1. At those rates, if you opened up a lot of gifts (which people seemed to have done), then you'd end up with a lot of charged quartz.

    Regardless, the point is: there are reasons why relatively casual players will have 1-3 stacks of charged quartz sitting around; it doesn't require being hardcore, which was the claim to which I was replying.

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  • Bloodstealer.5978Bloodstealer.5978 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited May 21, 2019

    @Kylden Ar.3724 said:

    @sirjarros.4107 said:
    I will never understand why the dev team thinks it's ever a good idea to gate highly desired content behind a limited and difficult to get item. Didn't you learn anything from the massive mistake of makiong Sigil of Nullification required for the Requiem gear??? STOP placing content behind ridiculous exclusive and hard to get items. It's not compelling or engaging content.

    No, but it makes a compelling argument to their financials for Gem sales for Gems to Gold conversions.

    The difference with the SoN was that obtaining them was largely based on luck or pay the inflated rip off from the TP barons that bought up all the immediate stocks and resold almost immediately. Otherwise your only other guaranteed acquisition was to keep rerolling and levelling a toon over and over until you have enuff SoN's or get even luckier obtaining symbols of control and crafting them up at just as bigger cost.
    Quartz crystal is far easier to acquire and stock up while you make the one a day charged crystal.

    EDIT - eek just noticed I replied to the wrong post.. should of been replied to @sirjarros.4107

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