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New PC underperforming

Hello bois,

Finally i've bought a new PC, but performance on GW2 is making cry, lol.

CPU Type - AMD Ryzen 7 2700 Eight-Core Processor
Graphics Chipset - Radeon RX 580 Series
Core Clock - 1366 MHz
System Memory - 16 GB
Storage - 246GB SSD

But i'm barely getting 30FPS on really low settings. Only app i'm running simultaneously is Discord.
What can i do to improve this?

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  • Ajaxx.3157Ajaxx.3157 Member ✭✭✭

    show your ingame settings.

  • Malafaia.8903Malafaia.8903 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Ajaxx.3157 said:
    show your ingame settings.

    They are on the link i've provided.
    Don't know how to post images here :(
    https://imgbbb.com/image/SpBmO

  • Loosmaster.8263Loosmaster.8263 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Are you having issues with 30 fps or just saying?

    I have an i5 47*k but I built specifically with Intel architecture. I have no issues until I hit about 6fps. I'm normally running around 70fps solo and drop to 12 fps in Meta events with no problems.

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  • Malafaia.8903Malafaia.8903 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Loosmaster.8263 said:
    Are you having issues with 30 fps or just saying?

    I have an i5 47*k but I built specifically with Intel architecture. I have no issues until I hit about 6fps. I'm normally running around 70fps solo and drop to 12 fps in Meta events with no problems.

    30 FPS would be pretty ok for me.
    Problem is, when i run into zerg fights on wvw it drops to 15 ~ 20 FPS :(
    That's pretty much the same performance i was getting on my 8 year old PC, with almost the same settings (only difference was lowest on character model/ display).

  • Ragnarox.9601Ragnarox.9601 Member ✭✭✭
    edited May 23, 2019

    Amd is your problem, its cheap more cores but not so strong per core, so you are getting garbage fps. This game is dx9 which favores Intel and strong cores.

    (try to turn on turbo speed in bios..put full power usage in windows...)

  • Malafaia.8903Malafaia.8903 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Ragnarox.9601 said:
    Amd is your problem, its cheap more cores but not so strong per core, so you are getting garbage fps. This game is dx9 which favores Intel and strong cores.

    Funny thing is my last PC was an AMD 6-core from 8 years ago. And i'm getting basically the same performance.
    This is really it?

  • Lucentfir.7430Lucentfir.7430 Member ✭✭✭
    edited May 23, 2019

    @Malafaia.8903 said:

    @Ragnarox.9601 said:
    Amd is your problem, its cheap more cores but not so strong per core, so you are getting garbage fps. This game is dx9 which favores Intel and strong cores.

    Funny thing is my last PC was an AMD 6-core from 8 years ago. And i'm getting basically the same performance.
    This is really it?

    I doubt it, Ryzen 2700 is not really that far behind a I7 7700k (Base). I owned a FX processor before and I upgraded to a Ryzen 2600x some months after they released them and the difference in performance was night and day. there's a few variables that should be clarified. Judging by the screenshot, were you near a zerg in WvW? Your FPS will dip even with low settings when there are big battles going on. Second is I have to point out only a 256 GB SSD? Is that all the storage you have? If so how much of that SSD do you have filled up? If it's more than 90% you might have to clear out a bit more space. There's also the question if you're running any graphic enhancing programs like SweetFX/GW2Hook?

  • Ragnarox.9601Ragnarox.9601 Member ✭✭✭

    @Malafaia.8903 said:

    @Ragnarox.9601 said:
    Amd is your problem, its cheap more cores but not so strong per core, so you are getting garbage fps. This game is dx9 which favores Intel and strong cores.

    Funny thing is my last PC was an AMD 6-core from 8 years ago. And i'm getting basically the same performance.
    This is really it?

    Amd is amd, not good in mmorpgs, I had amd too and i bought i5 7500 and gtx 1060, I have 40ish fps on ultra in lions arch, 80ish in world, 40ish in wvw. (very high character limit and quality)

  • Undo.5091Undo.5091 Member ✭✭
    edited May 23, 2019

    I had similar frames when I was running AMD a few years ago. I maintained almost the same FPS regardless of graphical settings (outside of changing the character model limit).

    If you have Windows 10, then you might see an increase in FPS if you use this experimental tool.

    https://www.reddit.com/r/Guildwars2/comments/bkk2lf/d912pxy_dx12_for_gw2_new_beta_v099/

    Just a heads up... I haven’t used this personally. I also haven’t seen any GW2 developer responses regarding this, so it really is “use at your own risk”.

  • Kanok.3027Kanok.3027 Member ✭✭✭

    This game, and most other MMO's, are dependent on single-core performance, not multi-core. Sadly, Intel does have stronger single-core performance, but AMD is just as good, if not better, in non-MMO titles. You also have to remember that the engine is old, so regardless, even on an Intel CPU, you're gonna have low FPS no matter what when the action ramps up. Until that changes, expect to see dips.

  • luzonophir.7134luzonophir.7134 Member ✭✭
    edited May 23, 2019

    @Ragnarox.9601 said:
    Amd is your problem, its cheap more cores but not so strong per core, so you are getting garbage fps. This game is dx9 which favores Intel and strong cores.

    (try to turn on turbo speed in bios..put full power usage in windows...)

    I think this is the thing. coz like AMD was like a new company (meaning they tried to break into the mainstream Processor business, at least that what appeared to me coz Duron, Sempron, etc was basically inexistent (and even my premade HP laptop preinstalled with Windows ME was Pentium)) around when DX9 was hot and probably they (M$) benchmarked its performance on the latest Pentium processor back then..

  • Kanok.3027Kanok.3027 Member ✭✭✭

    @luzonophir.7134 said:
    I think this is the thing. coz like AMD was like a new company (meaning they tried to break into the mainstream Processor business, at least that what appeared to me coz Duron, Sempron, etc was basically inexistent (and even my premade HP laptop preinstalled with Windows ME was Pentium)) around when DX9 was hot and probably they (M$) benchmarked its performance on the latest Pentium processor back then..

    Actually, AMD has been around for as long as Intel has been. They've been making processors for almost as long as well. They are, by no means, new.

  • luzonophir.7134luzonophir.7134 Member ✭✭
    edited May 23, 2019

    @Kanok.3027 said:

    @luzonophir.7134 said:
    I think this is the thing. coz like AMD was like a new company (meaning they tried to break into the mainstream Processor business, at least that what appeared to me coz Duron, Sempron, etc was basically inexistent (and even my premade HP laptop preinstalled with Windows ME was Pentium)) around when DX9 was hot and probably they (M$) benchmarked its performance on the latest Pentium processor back then..

    Actually, AMD has been around for as long as Intel has been. They've been making processors for almost as long as well. They are, by no means, new.

    yea but I meant all of the Computer Stores back then, at least when I first came to the USA, sold Premade Computers with Pentiums. so it appeared to me that they (AMD) are LIKE some newish competitor in the Processor business vs Intel.

  • Kanok.3027Kanok.3027 Member ✭✭✭

    Nah, there were plenty of premades with AMD. Same with Cytrix and a few other types here and there. Only ones that survived the CPU wars was Intel and AMD.

  • luzonophir.7134luzonophir.7134 Member ✭✭
    edited May 23, 2019

    @Kanok.3027 said:
    Nah, there were plenty of premades with AMD. Same with Cytrix and a few other types here and there. Only ones that survived the CPU wars was Intel and AMD.

    computer shops back in our homeland only used pentium based computers. amd was never heard (and i don't even know the company profile of AMD since there were no wiki back then). and when i went to the USA, mostly are pentiums but what i bought as my pc gaming tower in compusa was the early incarnation (or if not the first gen) of AMD-64 processor (Athlon) under Windows XP 32-bit and played GW1 there hardcorely. and i got to try the free OS's (Linux distros) which were almost~newly ported in 64-bit just to know what is this 64 bit all about. and my internet speed on Verizon DSL was 1.5 megs/s download.

  • Kanok.3027Kanok.3027 Member ✭✭✭

    Yeah, I can see that. AMD was actually the first to come out with 64-bit processing power, at least to the mainstream, so that's why to this day things are still referred to as x86 for 32-bit applications and AMD64 for 64-bit (or the oddly placed x86-64). Still, AMD CPU's aren't bad for MMO's, not by a long shot, but their single-core performance is technically not as good as Intel's, which is what most MMO's rely on. Newer MMO's that are starting to utilize multi-core, multi-threaded CPU's are starting to appear and that's where AMD will really shine.

  • Tenken.7342Tenken.7342 Member ✭✭

    Assuming your monitor's refresh rate is not maxed out at 24 or 30 fps, you should be seeing better performance. GW2 is poorly optimized for today's PC hardware and the game is CPU bound (too much running on its main thread). You have more than enough resources to drive this game at 1920 x 1080. Make sure your power profile in windows is set to "High Performance" and not "Balanced". You might also want to tweak your cores' power/parked settings with programs like "Quick CPU". Windows might be trying to reduce your power consumption by throttling your CPU (i experienced this issue as well). I noticed a substantial fps boost when i unparked my CPU cores and changed the power profile, but I game at 4K res. Also be aware that the more populated an map is the more it will effect your fps.

  • Teon.5168Teon.5168 Member ✭✭✭
    edited May 23, 2019

    I'm running a i7-7820hk with a 1070 vid card on my Alienware 17" laptop, and it regularly gets 70-90 fps in low populated areas. FPS drops down to 30-50 in LA, and when getting into big zerg fights in WvW, it'll stick around 40 or so fps. Have had 1 or 2 times in really gigantic zerg fights when it has become almost unplayable....but that is very, very seldom. In almost all areas, besides the huge zergs in wvw, it won't drop below 50fps.

    Am running on high graphics settings in game.

    The GM of our guild just got himself a new Alienware laptop with an i9 top end cpu and 1070 vid card, and he regularly gets over 100fps in low populated areas, around 70 in LA, and normally between 60-80fps in wvw.

    It's because of the very old graphics engine that GW2 runs. It is extremely cpu dependent. If they were running DX11, and upgraded their servers, there would be no issues at all, as the load would get transferred/shared more to the gpu....heck, even low end rigs would do well. But upgrading GW2's graphics engine and servers doesn't seem to be a huge priority with Anet.

    You might try checking the Redditt forums for suggestions on getting more speed out of your cpu. You also might try lowering your character settings in the graphics, as that seems to give a big improvement to fps.

    I also agree with the other posters. AMD has been around almost as long as Intel. This is my first Intel based rig, as I have been running AMD for decades. Heck, I still have an old desktop running an old quad core AMD 940 with a Nvidia 970 card, but have to run the game on middle graphics settings, and overclock the cpu to get decent playability in the game. Your cpu should do fine in the game....you probably just need to tweak with the graphics settings in game, and figure out how to get some more speed out of the cpu.

    Edit: Just looked at your settings image, and something is not right. I run much better settings on my old AMD 940 desktop and get better fps than you're getting. After looking at the specs on your Ryzen cpu, you should be getting close to the fps I get on my i7 Alienware.

  • Teon.5168Teon.5168 Member ✭✭✭

    @Tenken.7342 said:
    Assuming your monitor's refresh rate is not maxed out at 24 or 30 fps, you should be seeing better performance. GW2 is poorly optimized for today's PC hardware and the game is CPU bound (too much running on its main thread). You have more than enough resources to drive this game at 1920 x 1080. Make sure your power profile in windows is set to "High Performance" and not "Balanced". You might also want to tweak your cores' power/parked settings with programs like "Quick CPU". Windows might be trying to reduce your power consumption by throttling your CPU (i experienced this issue as well). I noticed a substantial fps boost when i unparked my CPU cores and changed the power profile, but I game at 4K res. Also be aware that the more populated an map is the more it will effect your fps.

    Some more really good suggestions.

  • Teon.5168Teon.5168 Member ✭✭✭

    Another interesting link.....this is how good your cpu should be doing.....(not necessarily in GW2, due to the older graphics engine)…..anyways, you should be getting a lot better performance with that cpu.

    https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=AMD+Ryzen+7+2700+Eight-Core+Processor+gaming+reviews&view=detail&mid=07EE91AACF12C87891D907EE91AACF12C87891D9&FORM=VIRE

  • Blocki.4931Blocki.4931 Member ✭✭✭✭

    If you're in WvW consider using another nametag option. Like showing only a dot for the team, no player names. Helps improve performance by a ton.

    Smugly chuckling forever.
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  • CrimsonNeonite.1048CrimsonNeonite.1048 Member ✭✭✭
    edited May 24, 2019

    That is a bit weird, as you are just inside your own keep, but you haven't listed your Motherboard or Power supply either.

    The first thing I would check is, whether your CPU or RAM speeds are running at the correct speeds.

  • Loosmaster.8263Loosmaster.8263 Member ✭✭✭✭

    If you're interested, this is my set up. I built this to specifically run GW2 going by what the game is designed around. GW2 is the only thing on the SSD.

    Memory- Kingston HyperX Beast 16 GB Kit (2x8 GB) 2400MHz DDR3 PC3-19200 Non-ECC CL11 DIMM XMP Desktop Memory KHX24C11T3K2/16X

    Motherboard- Gigabyte GA-Z87X-OC Desktop Motherboard

    CPU- Intel Core i5-4670K Quad-Core Desktop Processor 3.4 GHZ 6 MB Cache - BX80646I54670K

    PSU- Corsair RM1000x, 1000W, Fully Modular 80+ Gold Certified

    SSD- Kingston HyperX 3K 120 GB SATA III 2.5-Inch 6.0 Gb/s Solid State Drive SH103S3/120G

    Video- XFX R7 260X

    Main HD- 2 Terabyte

    OS- Windows 7

    BIOS- F9c

    Case- Cool Master HAF 912 case with 6 fans.

    CPU Cooler- Noctua NH-D15 6 heatpipe with Dual NF-A15 140mm fans

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  • AMD, right? mmm, This is just a suggestion and could end up ending with nothing. Check, if the motherboard you are using has had issues in the past with AMD cpus and cards that result in questionable frame rates on some games. We have had a couple of AMD fps issues in these forums in the past that were resolved sooner or later after a bios upgrade. Of course, in the end determine if you need a bios upgrade or not. Remember, stores usually do not update these.

  • Aza.2105Aza.2105 Member ✭✭✭
    edited May 24, 2019

    @Malafaia.8903 said:
    Hello bois,

    Finally i've bought a new PC, but performance on GW2 is making cry, lol.

    CPU Type - AMD Ryzen 7 2700 Eight-Core Processor
    Graphics Chipset - Radeon RX 580 Series
    Core Clock - 1366 MHz
    System Memory - 16 GB
    Storage - 246GB SSD

    But i'm barely getting 30FPS on really low settings. Only app i'm running simultaneously is Discord.
    What can i do to improve this?

    Something is wrong with your pc.

    I have a Ryzen 1800x and I'm getting around 60+++ @ 2580 x 1080. Here is a screenshot in the exact same spot as you. Don't mind the spvp pop up, its bugged ahhhh.

    gw054.jpg

    My pc specs are:

    Ryzen 7 1800x
    AMD Fury X
    64gb of ram

  • Steve The Cynic.3217Steve The Cynic.3217 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Kanok.3027 said:
    Nah, there were plenty of premades with AMD. Same with Cytrix and a few other types here and there. Only ones that survived the CPU wars was Intel and AMD.

    Nope. VIA is still around making x86-compatible CPUs for relatively undemanding embedded stuff that doesn't need ARM's low power consumption but that can benefit from x86 compatibility. It's the same market space that Intel pitches its Atom line at.

    @Biff.5312 said:
    Exercise your whimsy.

  • Caedmon.6798Caedmon.6798 Member ✭✭✭
    edited May 24, 2019

    Something seems very off when looking at your graphics settings being at low and having 30+ fps only. Having a Ryzen 5 2600x myself with the auto overclock enabled which makes it go to 4.2ghz while gaming and i can get easily over 100 fps in wvw, thats with an 9700GTX ftw gpu ( obviously not in zerg fights where it hovers around 45 - 50 - 60. Thats with character limit at low though while the rest of the settings are high).

    Im curious what kind of memory do you have ? Ive read that ryzen cpu's perform much better with higher memory speeds,i have 3200mhz 16gb ram myself from Corsair.
    It might also be that some settings in your bios need to be fine tuned or your bios needs an update. If you dont know how or what to change,get someone to help you with that.
    Check if drivers are installed correctly,it doesnt hurt to reinstall everything anyway.
    Make sure you run on the latest win 10 build aswell.

    Your system should be capable enough of running this game with proper fps.

    EDIT: Make sure your gpu is running at 16x speed ! You can check this with nvidia inspector https://www.guru3d.com/files-details/nvidia-inspector-download.html
    If so you can normally fix it by simply reseating your GPU.

  • TinkTinkPOOF.9201TinkTinkPOOF.9201 Member ✭✭✭

    Please post a screen of your CPU load and GPU load, CPU load needs to be by logical processor and not total load. Before taking a screen, leave it open and play the game for a good bit, 30mins or more and then grab a screen so we can get an idea of what sort of loading the PC is seeing.

    "When you power creep the game and make it so that spam gameplay is nearly as effective as deep knowledge and nuance, the quality of players will decrease." -Exedore

  • Malafaia.8903Malafaia.8903 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @TinkTinkPOOF.9201 said:
    Please post a screen of your CPU load and GPU load, CPU load needs to be by logical processor and not total load. Before taking a screen, leave it open and play the game for a good bit, 30mins or more and then grab a screen so we can get an idea of what sort of loading the PC is seeing.

    How i do this?

  • Caedmon.6798Caedmon.6798 Member ✭✭✭
    edited May 24, 2019

    @Malafaia.8903 said:

    @TinkTinkPOOF.9201 said:
    Please post a screen of your CPU load and GPU load, CPU load needs to be by logical processor and not total load. Before taking a screen, leave it open and play the game for a good bit, 30mins or more and then grab a screen so we can get an idea of what sort of loading the PC is seeing.

    How i do this?

    Open task manager,and check under Performance,then on the bottom click on Open Resource Monitor. For your gpu download a tool as Evga precision.But if u havent read my other post yet,i highly suggest to check if your Gpu is running at 16x speed and not at 4x which can result in the performance you currently have.Ive seen this been the case on the forum tons of times in the past.

  • ArmoredVehicle.2849ArmoredVehicle.2849 Member ✭✭✭
    edited May 24, 2019

    Just adding my report to this, my frames in a very similar spot in WvW are an average of 57-60 at almost Max details (Characters and Shadows are Medium).

  • Blocki.4931Blocki.4931 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited May 24, 2019

    Oh, I also remembered a situation I've had with my new PC two years ago. In case you ordered it from a site that built it for you feel free to ignore this post.

    I happened to have slotted my graphics card into the wrong slot on my motherboard and GW2 REALLY disliked that. Despite everything I couldn't get it to run at an acceptable framerate doing anything. In my old PC that didn't matter at all, but on this new configuration there was actually a difference between the upper and lower slots. and I've since been told that this is pretty much the norm. Always use the upper one.

    Other than that there might be a couple other things holding your system down. Most notably would be (assuming you run Windows 10 on a new computer):
    1. Windows 10 "Game mode". Make sure this feature is always deactivated. Makes no sense for a feature like that to have a negative impact, but as countless threads on the topic in the Internet have shown, it's god awful.

    2. Make sure you don't have any additional "desktops" open. When pressing Windows + Tab you will enter a window that will show you everything you have opened at this time. In the top left corner there is a small line with "+ new desktop" . Make sure you don't have multiple of those. I'm not sure how it works, but I can't run the game smoothly whatsoever with more than my usual 2 opened, even if the additional ones are empty.

    3. Check your Power/Radeon settings. For power you need to go into your system settings, or simply type it into the search bar and look for it there. Make sure it's set to performance. For the Radeon settings you simply want to look for the red icon in the bottom right, when you click that small arrow, next to the language icon on your taskbar (where your system tray is). Put that on performance setting as well.

    Those specifically were issues I encountered that I could not find a direct solution for at first. I've even had people tell me "no, it's that because of that", but they were wrong. System has never run better since.

    Smugly chuckling forever.
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  • CrimsonNeonite.1048CrimsonNeonite.1048 Member ✭✭✭
    edited May 25, 2019

    Also download cpuid or hw64 and check your ram and CPU speeds are right ingame, aswell as your bios before booting windows.

    When I built my pc a few months ago, I didn't realise my ram speeds were running well below the rated speeds.

  • Impact.2780Impact.2780 Member ✭✭
    edited May 25, 2019

    When buying a whole new PC, you need to buy one of the more expensive models to get one of the best, new processors, otherwise you'll end up with something which might as well be "out-dated" in terms of its relative performance. This is why it's good to build your own, or upgrade what you have already.

    Why do companies like Intel release so many new i3s, i5s, and i7s each development iteration? Because people buy them. I got the i7 3770 in 2012 when it had just been released, and it's on par with the 7th gen i5s. Each year, 2013-2017, if I were to "upgrade" to a new i3s or new i5s, it would have been a performance DOWNGRADE. But those are the CPUs that get put in machines in stores, where people who don't know any better buy them, thinking they just got themselves one of the better devices because of its age. I recall my mother asking someone in the store about getting a new phone, and the guy told her one of the Samsung "A"s was the current top model because it was new... It was more expensive but paled in comparison to a much cheaper older generation "Galaxy."

    Now considering that, and considering that AMD are always behind in performance anyway, it takes even longer for them to release something that is comparative to an older Intel. Indeed, the AMD Ryzen 2700 might be a 2018 CPU, but performance-wise, unless all cores are being utilised, it's the same as my 2012 i7 3770, which manages 40-60FPS on medium settings. It also has the disadvantage of not being an Intel, because games are designed with Intel and NVIDIA in mind.

    The same goes for GPUs. The 2017 Radeon 580X falls below the 2016 NVIDIA GTX 1070.

    Why is AMD cheaper? Because (1) they aren't as desirable, and have to price competitively; and (2) their new releases are competing with its competitior's OLD releases.

    Just do a "Processor A vs Processor B" in Google and check out the CPUBOSS/GPUBOSS results. I'd pick up a 2-year old Intel i7 over a new AMD.

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  • Lucentfir.7430Lucentfir.7430 Member ✭✭✭

    @Impact.2780 said:
    When buying a whole new PC, you need to buy one of the more expensive models to get one of the best, new processors, otherwise you'll end up with something which might as well be "out-dated" in terms of its relative performance. This is why it's good to build your own, or upgrade what you have already.

    Why do companies like Intel release so many new i3s, i5s, and i7s each development iteration? Because people buy them. I got the i7 3770 in 2012 when it had just been released, and it's on par with the 7th gen i5s. Each year, 2013-2017, if I were to "upgrade" to a new i3s or new i5s, it would have been a performance DOWNGRADE. But those are the CPUs that get put in machines in stores, where people who don't know any better buy them, thinking they just got themselves one of the better devices because of its age. I recall my mother asking someone in the store about getting a new phone, and the guy told her one of the Samsung "A"s was the current top model because it was new... It was more expensive but paled in comparison to a much cheaper older generation "Galaxy."

    Now considering that, and considering that AMD are always behind in performance anyway, it takes even longer for them to release something that is comparative to an older Intel. Indeed, the AMD Ryzen 2700 might be a 2018 CPU, but performance-wise, unless all cores are being utilised, it's the same as my 2012 i7 3770, which manages 40-60FPS on medium settings. It also has the disadvantage of not being an Intel, because games are designed with Intel and NVIDIA in mind.

    The same goes for GPUs. The 2017 Radeon 580X falls below the 2016 NVIDIA GTX 1070.

    Why is AMD cheaper? Because (1) they aren't as desirable, and have to price competitively; and (2) their new releases are competing with its competitior's OLD releases.

    Just do a "Processor A vs Processor B" in Google and check out the CPUBOSS/GPUBOSS results. I'd pick up a 2-year old Intel i7 over a new AMD.

    That's bad buying advice, it should be research what's inside said systems you're viewing and gauge if the price is worth the performance you'd be getting. Unless budget is of no issue by all means go about it the way of just buying the more expensive models, but I'd still say research before you buy since I've seen plenty of pre-builts with mediocre specs, charging high end level prices.

    Yes people buy them, but the improvement are small incremental bumps. Since there was practically no competition for intel from AMD(flopped FX processor) , they could pretty much keep their prices high and get away with small performance boosts to keep the money rolling in.

    From the look of things coming from AMD (Ryzen 3000) fairly soon it looks like it's going to be Intel's turn to play catch up. It's also not like Intel have done much innovation either for their own processors if you're trying to throw some shade out on AMD's processors competing with their older stuff. More games are beginning to use more cores and threads so having the threads and cores utilized shouldn't be too much of a concern for a 2700. Even better if you use your PC for more than just older games (Productivity/streaming/etc)

    RX 580 wasn't meant to compete with a 1070, it's a competitor to the 1060.

    While I think your choice in a old I7 is respectable, i'd still recommend the Ryzen platform, due to having more cores, more threads, similar performance, and a upgrade path. Though if the aim is only GW2 and to squeeze as much FPS as you can, well go with the older I7 if you feel you must. O-b

  • maddoctor.2738maddoctor.2738 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Hey there!
    The issue with your new computer is the single thread performance of your CPU. Guild Wars 2 relies heavily on one of your threads, and -individually- your CPU cores aren't fast enough. If I recall Ryzen CPUs can get boosted speeds if you only have 4 of their cores active (game mode?) so look for a game mode setting that will increase the speed of your cores.

    Your GPU can easily handle the highest settings in this game, so increase all of the settings to their maximum with the following exceptions:
    Render Sampling: keep on Native
    Anti-aliasing: keep on None
    Character Model Limit: keep on low
    Character Model Quality: can set to High or Medium, don't have to keep it on low
    All other settings can be set to their maximum values

    If you are having issues with even lower fps than 30, lower Shadow quality. But you should be fine with the 580.

    tl;dr you are having low fps due to your CPU not having fast enough cores, it has many cores, but they aren't fast enough for Guild Wars 2. The settings that do not affect the main thread can be increased to their maximum without a performance penalty.

  • maddoctor.2738maddoctor.2738 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited May 26, 2019

    @Impact.2780 said:
    This is why it's good to build your own, or upgrade what you have already.

    You cannot upgrade Intel systems, which is another reason why choosing Intel is a terrible choice at this point in time. Newer gen I3/I5/I7 CPUs require newer gen motherboards to work and won't work with previous models. This makes upgrading not an option. AMD motherboards on the other hand, can support current, and future Ryzen processors making them the clear choice for upgrading (and future proof).

    The same goes for GPUs. The 2017 Radeon 580X falls below the 2016 NVIDIA GTX 1070.

    The RX 580 is a $199 USD (4 GB) or $229 USD (8 GB) MSRP graphics card. The GTX 1070 is a $379 MSRP graphics card, not really comparable. The GTX 1060 is a $299 MSRP graphics card, which is still more expensive than the RX 580 and the RX 580 is 2% to 3% faster than the GTX 1060 on average. And less expensive.

  • MrFayth.3546MrFayth.3546 Member ✭✭

    @maddoctor.2738 said:

    Anti-aliasing: keep on None

    Your advice is solid, but this setting should not be a problem for him as its GPU-bound and the RX580 is more than enough.(I use one, myself)

    I'm willing to bet his GPU clocks aren't scaling correctly. I had a huge issue with my Core and Memory clocks sticking in their "idle state" of 150/300 while the game was running. AMD's "WattMan" doesn't do a good job controlling frequencies and power limits in my opinion.

    I disabled all wattman Overclocking settings and use MSI Afterburner+Rivatuner for overclocking and On Screen Display.

    Works flawlessly.

  • Recently I had a friend with a similar situation, high end system and regardless of all possible solutions the performance kept low. It turns out that the mouse's high Polling Rate (not to be confused with DPI) was affecting the frame rate when set too high, for some reason bringing the game performance to a crawl.

    Here's a relevant reddit thread: https://www.reddit.com/r/Guildwars2/comments/4z0en8/weird_fps_drops_when_moving_the_mouse_in_gw2/

    It might be worth checking into it before trying out other things.

  • MrFayth.3546MrFayth.3546 Member ✭✭
    edited May 27, 2019

    I've heard about polling rate issues, but never had it be a problem through my myriad of different hardware/software configs.

    Which I dont understand.

  • Impact.2780Impact.2780 Member ✭✭

    @Lucentfir.7430 said:

    @Impact.2780 said:
    When buying a whole new PC, you need to buy one of the more expensive models to get one of the best, new processors, otherwise you'll end up with something which might as well be "out-dated" in terms of its relative performance. This is why it's good to build your own, or upgrade what you have already.

    Why do companies like Intel release so many new i3s, i5s, and i7s each development iteration? Because people buy them. I got the i7 3770 in 2012 when it had just been released, and it's on par with the 7th gen i5s. Each year, 2013-2017, if I were to "upgrade" to a new i3s or new i5s, it would have been a performance DOWNGRADE. But those are the CPUs that get put in machines in stores, where people who don't know any better buy them, thinking they just got themselves one of the better devices because of its age. I recall my mother asking someone in the store about getting a new phone, and the guy told her one of the Samsung "A"s was the current top model because it was new... It was more expensive but paled in comparison to a much cheaper older generation "Galaxy."

    Now considering that, and considering that AMD are always behind in performance anyway, it takes even longer for them to release something that is comparative to an older Intel. Indeed, the AMD Ryzen 2700 might be a 2018 CPU, but performance-wise, unless all cores are being utilised, it's the same as my 2012 i7 3770, which manages 40-60FPS on medium settings. It also has the disadvantage of not being an Intel, because games are designed with Intel and NVIDIA in mind.

    The same goes for GPUs. The 2017 Radeon 580X falls below the 2016 NVIDIA GTX 1070.

    Why is AMD cheaper? Because (1) they aren't as desirable, and have to price competitively; and (2) their new releases are competing with its competitior's OLD releases.

    Just do a "Processor A vs Processor B" in Google and check out the CPUBOSS/GPUBOSS results. I'd pick up a 2-year old Intel i7 over a new AMD.

    That's bad buying advice, it should be research what's inside said systems you're viewing and gauge if the price is worth the performance you'd be getting. Unless budget is of no issue by all means go about it the way of just buying the more expensive models, but I'd still say research before you buy since I've seen plenty of pre-builts with mediocre specs, charging high end level prices.

    Yes people buy them, but the improvement are small incremental bumps. Since there was practically no competition for intel from AMD(flopped FX processor) , they could pretty much keep their prices high and get away with small performance boosts to keep the money rolling in.

    That's... literally what I just said, reworded.

    • WHEN buying a NEW pc, you need to buy one of the more expensive models to get one of the best, NEW processors. This is a statement of fact. It is not advice to buy new or to build new or to build cheap, and you agree with it when referring to "pre-built mediocre specs."
    • Research? Yes.. What do you think comparison sites and reviews thereon are used for?
    • People buying new CPUs in PCs in store not knowing any better IS me talking about "Pre-built mediocre specs."

    Thanks for the unnecessary quote.

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  • Impact.2780Impact.2780 Member ✭✭

    @maddoctor.2738 said:

    @Impact.2780 said:
    This is why it's good to build your own, or upgrade what you have already.

    You cannot upgrade Intel systems, which is another reason why choosing Intel is a terrible choice at this point in time. Newer gen I3/I5/I7 CPUs require newer gen motherboards to work and won't work with previous models. This makes upgrading not an option. AMD motherboards on the other hand, can support current, and future Ryzen processors making them the clear choice for upgrading (and future proof).

    The same goes for GPUs. The 2017 Radeon 580X falls below the 2016 NVIDIA GTX 1070.

    The RX 580 is a $199 USD (4 GB) or $229 USD (8 GB) MSRP graphics card. The GTX 1070 is a $379 MSRP graphics card, not really comparable. The GTX 1060 is a $299 MSRP graphics card, which is still more expensive than the RX 580 and the RX 580 is 2% to 3% faster than the GTX 1060 on average. And less expensive.

    You said can't, then explained how you can. Hmm.

    New connectors for the new CPUs is part of what makes Intel's upgrades more significant. They are not hindered by backward-compatibility - making what is new, fit with what is old. You also completely skip over the point that if you get a better CPU, it'll be longer before you need to think about upgrading it. By the time you need to, you'd be thinking about getting a new computer or updating your build, anyway. Furthermore, the CPU is not the only item that the board must be compatible with.

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  • CrimsonNeonite.1048CrimsonNeonite.1048 Member ✭✭✭
    edited May 27, 2019

    He has 34 FPS in his own keep with no zergs and few particle effects, in the screenshot he posted. So either the CPU or gpu is running slower than the stock/boost clocks, another program is using CPU resources, or maybe it could be gpu driver related, who knows.

  • maddoctor.2738maddoctor.2738 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Impact.2780 said:
    You said can't, then explained how you can. Hmm.

    If you buy a new motherboard to support a new cpu, that's not an upgrade anymore. That's like getting a new computer. Especially considering:

    Furthermore, the CPU is not the only item that the board must be compatible with.

    Which makes the requirement to upgrade a board to get a new CPU even worse.

    Watch Computex and E3 this year, you'll see that Intel is mostly dead :)

  • Turn off game bar and dvr on windows 10. (this will give you alot of fps back. ALOT)
    Make sure your card is running 16x (i'll be damned if it's seated in the wrong slot straight from the shop)
    Check your bios version for issues in the past.
    Ignore the amd vs intel thing. While there is truth in it, your processor should still be able to run this game competently.

  • Yamazuki.6073Yamazuki.6073 Member ✭✭✭
    edited May 29, 2019

    @maddoctor.2738 said:

    @Impact.2780 said:
    This is why it's good to build your own, or upgrade what you have already.

    You cannot upgrade Intel systems, which is another reason why choosing Intel is a terrible choice at this point in time. Newer gen I3/I5/I7 CPUs require newer gen motherboards to work and won't work with previous models. This makes upgrading not an option. AMD motherboards on the other hand, can support current, and future Ryzen processors making them the clear choice for upgrading (and future proof).

    I would like to point out that a business saying "we promise to do this" is not the same thing as doing it. AMD has already stated it will no longer be possible to keep their promise, and even then, it wasn't indefinite, their goal was keeping support until 2020. The next generation of Ryzen will not work on all older motherboards, and many of the vendors will not support older Ryzen generations. This means one of two things:
    -if you're upgrading to the new Ryzen, you may very well need a new motherboard.
    -if your motherboard fails on you with a first gen Ryzen, you may very well be forced into buying a new CPU and a new motherboard if you aren't able to find an earlier generation board

    Not only are these issues that AMD had to talk about recently, but it gets further complicated as each different vendor is doing their own thing, there's no standard set on vendors by AMD.

    Also, people who go low end cpus, generally got low end motherboards, if they wanted a higher end cpu, they would likely have to get a new motherboard; and, people who get mid-high range CPUs don't have to replace their CPUs for a few years, and when they do, there's generally been improvements to Memory, Storage, PCIE, etc, all which would require a new motherboard to take advantage of anyways, and even with AMD's promise, you would still need a new motherboard as they only planned for a few years of support.

    In the case of a person who replaces their CPU pretty often, I don't think needing to save money on a motherboard matters to them, mid range motherboards don't make much of the cost of a mid range (or high range) desktop, it's generally the CPU and GPU that take up most of the cost of a desktop, as well as RAM during some years.

    At the end of the day, AMD is a business, no different than Intel. They charge quite a bit for some of their GPUs like Nvidia does when they can, and they'll do the same for CPUs, it's just Intel at the moment was so far high in price due to AMD's irrelevance for so long. AMD is also known for breaking their promises like everyone else, so I'm unsure how it helps anyone to blindly support AMD, as they could very well be the same as Intel/Nvidia (and they were before).

  • KrHome.1920KrHome.1920 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited May 29, 2019

    I created a screenshot at your location as well.

    i5 8500, RX 590, 16 GB DDR4 3200 Ram @ 1080p

    Max Details @ 60+ fps when there is no zergfighting going on (like on your screen too) - This is how your performance should look like on your PC. It has nothing to do with AMD and Intel. There is some configuration issue on your end.

    AMDs Ryzen 2000 IPC performance is a few percent behind Intels Coffee Lake (i5/i7/i9 9000) performance. We are talking about a handful of fps, but not about 34 fps at low details. Stating that this happens because of an AMD CPU is bull kitten.

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