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Skyscale is Bugged/Underwhelming, Or Both

After using the Skyscale a bit to try and find a use for it (which was harder than you would think, I will get to that in a bit) I noticed something that is either a bug or a VERY large issue with the Skyscale. Whenever you are maneuvering mid-air, hear meaning using a combination of griffon, dismount, gliding, and mounting on the skyscale mid-air (not necessarily all or in that order), the Skyscale tends to run out of endurance instantaneously upon being mounted.

As far as being underwhelming, it is sometimes better than the bunny for climbing but not always because of the incredibly awkward wall holding. On top of that, the bunny still has more momentum, meaning it can utilize the dismount (8 skill) better. The best use for it seems to be that it give you the ability to afk almost anywhere in any map.

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  • Ayrilana.1396Ayrilana.1396 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited May 24, 2019

    I've personally been enjoying it and have been using it primarily when doing my dailies as well as the Dragonfall meta.

  • Faaris.8013Faaris.8013 Member ✭✭✭✭

    I spent a few hours using the Skyscale yesterday and it did feel awkward, especially at walls. I don't always want to cling to it, but you have no control over it. And then you suddenly jump and lose endurance. Or you know there is a spot where your bunny would be able to sit and recharge, but the Skyscale clings to it. And then you cannot even move a bit to the site to get to the spot, it feels like having magnets stuck at the claws and flying close to an iron wall.

    I found myself regularly having to walk a bit to recharge the blue bar, which is mediocre compared to the much quicker recharging the griffon has. Both feel like a duck that had flight bred out of them over generations, but the Skyscale even more than the griffon. It's also more dangerous with the Skyscale because it's slower and mobs have a better change of dismounting you.

    While I'm at it: Speed. As someone who loved playing Sonic the Hedgehog (28 years before the movie and that trailer), for me there is one rule for movement in games. The faster the better. And I'm not alone with this and the creators know. They created the Roller Beetle and the Warclaw. And this works similarily to computer screens and size. Once you upgrade to a bigger screen, there is simply no way back to a smaller one. You cannot keep up with players who use the Griffon in the new map meta, and this map has been created with the Skyscale in mind.

    I have yet to play a bit more with those rifts. I was able to easily get to the wing in the East of Dragonfall using one. I wait for the patch to fix the rift achievements before playing more with them, no idea what I would use them for on other maps.

    So far the mount feels underwhelming if you consider all the things you had to do to get it. I am not disappointed or disillusioned, simply because I had no illusions before. The only useful situation for the new mount so far is being afk in mid-air and showing off. I regularly saw people in map chat mentioning that the only reason they do the collections is to keep their masteries at max, and that's the reason I did it too. Imagine the mount was not connected to masteries, how many players would actually get it?

    I hope the creators find ways to improve the new mount.

  • Cekay.2614Cekay.2614 Member ✭✭

    @Bobzitto.8571 said:

    Whenever you take flight, the last place you landed is what the skyscale considerers "ground zero" for the endurance. So if you do the shenanigans to swap mid-air, you'll instantly lose all endurance because youre way above ground zero.

    Well, defeating one of Kralks Weakpoints summons those Ley lines that will catapult you into the air to fly to the next Weakpoint.
    Guess not on the Skyscale, when you mount it after using the ley line it will instantly lose all Endurance and pummel to the ground.

    I dont think that was intended...

  • Vavume.8065Vavume.8065 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited May 24, 2019

    @Faaris.8013 said:
    The only useful situation for the new mount so far is being afk in mid-air

    You are right, now we can afk without getting aggro, the timegates, gold and effort was soooo worth it...

  • zealex.9410zealex.9410 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Poseidon.3261 said:
    As far as being underwhelming, it is sometimes better than the bunny for climbing but not always

    Thats a good thing

  • Ashantara.8731Ashantara.8731 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited May 24, 2019

    @Ayrilana.1396 said:
    I've personally been enjoying it and have been using it primarily when doing my dailies as well as the Dragonfall meta.

    I've been enjoying it, too, but agree that the mount could use some tweaks or upgrades. How about adding two more Mastery Tracks that will enhance its flight speed a bit and/or make it ascend/descend faster?

  • Aeon.4583Aeon.4583 Member ✭✭✭
    edited May 24, 2019

    For such a premium mount ( it is dragon hybrid! ) i would suggest removing altitude loss during in air movement. To reach maps sky limit you need to use Wall Launch or wait alot of Bound of Vigor cooldowns, means adding little bit effort to it, if you want Skyfly over map.

    Ok player spent altitude bar. But thats it. In maps with no mountains, will be hard to reach Sky limits, and there is no practical use to go that far anyway.

  • Faaris.8013Faaris.8013 Member ✭✭✭✭

    I farmed Volatile Magic for the feed your dragon achievement and noticed that the slowness makes you a much easier target for the wurms to range you. I got dropped from the sky by shots, which never happens when you fly by with the Griffon. Also, landing is sometimes about micro movements, when you hover very close above the ground. You tilt your view to see the bottom and move, but then the kitten thing clinges to the cliff instead of simply landing. And gathering a magic ball below you means flying a circle, there is no way to decent like you ascent, straight. When gathering them, you better start at the bottom.

    I wonder if these things never came up when the mount was tested.

  • JustTrogdor.7892JustTrogdor.7892 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Ashantara.8731 said:

    @Ayrilana.1396 said:
    I've personally been enjoying it and have been using it primarily when doing my dailies as well as the Dragonfall meta.

    I've been enjoying it, too, but agree that the mount could use some tweaks or upgrades. How about adding two more Mastery Tracks that will enhance its flight speed a bit and/or make it ascend/descend faster?

    I'd prefer they just tweak it a bit instead of adding more masteries. Of course I'm a bit biased because I only have 1 extra mastery point after maxing out all masteries including the Sckyscale and the ones I have left to earn are the more grindy/difficult ones. :sunglasses:

  • Vincenzo.3145Vincenzo.3145 Member ✭✭

    As of now, it's just a glorified glider with a dash and wall-climbing that can be used to AFK safely without having to go into character select.. I'll stick to my Springer+Griffon combo with Crystal Champion masteries which do everything Skyscale does currently, but without screwing you over.

    On that note, a lot of shilling WoW junkies keep coming in here and into the subreddit comparing this and the timegate to WoW. This isn't WoW. Nobody is asking for infinite flight. We don't want boring mounts. We just want this one to work properly with the others as the other mounts do with eachother and various non-mount masteries already.

  • ChronoPinoyX.7923ChronoPinoyX.7923 Member ✭✭✭

    I don't have it yet but judging from the borrowed version, I don't see the one we get as being any better than the ones we borrow in Dragonfall outside of the wall jump.

    The Griffon still meets most of what Skyscale offers so that's been my goal at this point (been holding off the Griffon just cuz I wanna get ascended equips out the way first).

  • Blocki.4931Blocki.4931 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Give it a fair chance. Using the rentals I felt very disappointed, but after a couple hours of using it I never switch from it anymore. Unless I want to get from one end to the other I don't need to use the Griffon anymore, because the Skyscale does the ground movement better. (Run on ground, jump, flap, land. Skyscale flaps and flies for a bit, making movement a lot smoother, especially on a slope.)

    Very passive aggressively chuckling, because I'm totally not mad on the Internet.

  • XYLO.7031XYLO.7031 Member ✭✭✭

    https://en-forum.guildwars2.com/discussion/77557/dragonfall-map-completion-8-26-forums-told-me-skyscale-was-bad-edition#latest

    Map Completion video of Dragonfall shows strengths and weaknesses of the mounts. The Griffon and Roller beetle were used most for speed around the map. Bunny and skyscale were only used in very specific situations.

    After playing the Meta with its bosses and timer at the end, there is no way a skyscale can compare to griffon on the Dragonfall map in simply making it to each boss and beating each boss. It's too slow. The video clearly shows the griffon's speed supremacy in the air.

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  • Artits.2795Artits.2795 Member ✭✭
    edited May 24, 2019

    I'm also very disappointed by it. I only completed the collection because I thought that when you unlock it and the mastery track, the skill that makes you jump walls could make it so that you fly > cling to a wall to recharge your blue meter > resume flying. Which would still be far from perfect considering it is a dragon so realistically there shouldn't be a limit to how much it can fly to begin with, but it would be a nice compromise between players and Anet's disturbing obsession with forcing players to play the game a certain way. Imagine my disappointment when I found out that not only is the climb/ recharge limited by stamina bars, it also builds the red meter the more you use it. I had to deal with limitations (timegates), limitations within limitations (the charged crystal parts) and so many collections to be able to own the most limited mount in the game?

  • Voltekka.2375Voltekka.2375 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited May 24, 2019

    Its clunky at best. Maybe i need more practice, for sure, but it IS clunky. I still find myself using bunny more than Skyscale in Dragonfall (i love the map btw).
    Edit : typo

  • Blocki.4931Blocki.4931 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Artits.2795 said:
    I'm also very disappointed by it. I only completed the collection because I thought that when you unlock it and the mastery track, the skill that makes you jump walls could make it so that you fly > cling to a wall to recharge your blue meter > resume flying. Which would still be far from perfect considering it is a dragon so realistically there shouldn't be a limit to how much it can fly to begin with, but it would be a nice compromise between players and Anet's disturbing obsession with forcing players to play the game a certain way. Imagine my disappointment when I found out that not only is the climb/ recharge limited by stamina bars, it also builds the red meter the more you use it. I had to deal with limitations (timegates), limitations within limitations (the charged crystal parts) and so many collections to be able to own the most limited mount in the game?

    You regain endurance while flying, you gain flight juice while charging at a wall.. It's not that hard. Learn to use it, it allows you to make jumps and scale walls you wouldn't be able to before.

    Very passive aggressively chuckling, because I'm totally not mad on the Internet.

  • Klipso.8653Klipso.8653 Member ✭✭✭✭

    I really dont see any use out of it besides a novelty item to afk with.

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  • Neeja.4579Neeja.4579 Member ✭✭

    This thread is very similar.

    https://en-forum.guildwars2.com/discussion/76867/skyscale-mount-mechanics-not-about-timegate

    To me now the biggest issue is that Skyscale starts with full red endurance when you use Air Rescue from a big altitude, which is way worse than gliding. Makes no sense.

    I see that OP also mentioned it

  • LucianDK.8615LucianDK.8615 Member ✭✭✭✭

    The broken air rescue is just BAD. And makes it inferior to the Griffon.

  • JustTrogdor.7892JustTrogdor.7892 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Blocki.4931 said:

    @Artits.2795 said:
    I'm also very disappointed by it. I only completed the collection because I thought that when you unlock it and the mastery track, the skill that makes you jump walls could make it so that you fly > cling to a wall to recharge your blue meter > resume flying. Which would still be far from perfect considering it is a dragon so realistically there shouldn't be a limit to how much it can fly to begin with, but it would be a nice compromise between players and Anet's disturbing obsession with forcing players to play the game a certain way. Imagine my disappointment when I found out that not only is the climb/ recharge limited by stamina bars, it also builds the red meter the more you use it. I had to deal with limitations (timegates), limitations within limitations (the charged crystal parts) and so many collections to be able to own the most limited mount in the game?

    You regain endurance while flying...

    That's the part I'm still trying to figure out. Sometimes when I fly forward it regains endurance and sometimes it doesn't. I'm not talking about when it hits volatile magic and gains endurance. Sometimes going forward it slowly gains endurance, sometimes faster and sometimes not at all. I'm not sure what I'm doing wrong or what triggers it.

  • Gambino.2109Gambino.2109 Member ✭✭✭

    Or how about gaining the flight bar at an equal pace when you descend so you can at least fly keep flying at the same height..

  • Grim West.3194Grim West.3194 Member ✭✭✭

    It's just a vanity mount. Basically useless.

  • Celldrax.2849Celldrax.2849 Member ✭✭✭
    edited May 24, 2019

    I've been using the Skyscale a fair bit. I find it to be a pretty versatile combination of Griffon, Springer, and to a lesser extent the Raptor (wall launch mastery is absolutely necessary though).

    The red stamina bar is a bit of a pain though.

    @JustTrogdor.7892 said:

    @Blocki.4931 said:

    @Artits.2795 said:
    I'm also very disappointed by it. I only completed the collection because I thought that when you unlock it and the mastery track, the skill that makes you jump walls could make it so that you fly > cling to a wall to recharge your blue meter > resume flying. Which would still be far from perfect considering it is a dragon so realistically there shouldn't be a limit to how much it can fly to begin with, but it would be a nice compromise between players and Anet's disturbing obsession with forcing players to play the game a certain way. Imagine my disappointment when I found out that not only is the climb/ recharge limited by stamina bars, it also builds the red meter the more you use it. I had to deal with limitations (timegates), limitations within limitations (the charged crystal parts) and so many collections to be able to own the most limited mount in the game?

    You regain endurance while flying...

    That's the part I'm still trying to figure out. Sometimes when I fly forward it regains endurance and sometimes it doesn't. I'm not talking about when it hits volatile magic and gains endurance. Sometimes going forward it slowly gains endurance, sometimes faster and sometimes not at all. I'm not sure what I'm doing wrong or what triggers it.

    It all has to do with pitch. The more you pitch down, the faster you regain endurance. The more you pitch up, the faster you lose it.

    The opposite is also true.

  • ProtoGunner.4953ProtoGunner.4953 Member ✭✭✭✭

    They should get rid of this stupid cling mechanic, it really is getting on my nerves and for kitten sake: just make it permanent flying. Every 2nd MMO has it. You have to change some maps for it ofc. But you already have these no fly zone areas. Shouldn't be too much of a hassle.

  • castlemanic.3198castlemanic.3198 Member ✭✭✭✭

    The skyscale rentals were underwhelming. The skyscale mount once you get it is great. Getting the wall jump mastery made a world of a difference and i feel so much better with the skyscale now. The biggest issue i had with the skyscale was those ledges you JUST miss, but the wall jump really takes care of that and bond of vigor helps a ton too.

    Overall i'm very happy right now, the masteries really make it worth it, and the skyscale will become my new go to mount. I get that this isn't everyone's experience with the skyscale, so i only speak for myself when i say i'm really happy about where it is right now.

    If you join a debate and provide little to no proof when the other side provides lots of evidence, you can't then declare yourself the winner of that debate. Veterans can make signatures apparently.

  • Rukario.1695Rukario.1695 Member ✭✭✭

    I believe if you mount in the air at any point the altitude meter should be full, this includes when you jump off of the ground with the Skyscale - it takes a 3rd of the meter just to leave the ground.

    As it is now, it's just plainly broken.

    More violence, less violets I say. I'm rich you know, because I watch the ledges.

  • Rukario.1695Rukario.1695 Member ✭✭✭
    edited May 24, 2019

    @Rukario.1695 said:
    I believe if you mount in the air at any point the altitude meter should be full, this includes when you jump off of the ground with the Skyscale - it takes a 3rd of the meter just to leave the ground.

    As it is now, it's just plainly broken.

    It was mentioned in the Guild Chat today by the Skyscales Mechanic's Developer that they are going to be looking into this. It was an accident in regards to your altitude being murdered by mounting while airborn, ultimately it was an oversight caused by trying to keep the mount from being abused mid-air due to the "ejector seat"/aka Bond of Faith being used.

    As for your altitude being chopped after you first leave the ground, not sure if that applies to this or not.

    See the video - 46:51 ... Youtube timestamps aren't working right.

    More violence, less violets I say. I'm rich you know, because I watch the ledges.

  • LucianDK.8615LucianDK.8615 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Hrm, not sure how much change thats going to come out of any fixes to air rescue if they are that afraid of breaking things. As it is, the skyscale is supremely inferior to griffon with air rescue and staying up.

  • Ayrilana.1396Ayrilana.1396 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited May 24, 2019

    You can prevent losing your flight meter when tossed in the air from a tornado by being mounted against a wall (or a tree). It also resets your canopy.

    Likely not intended.

  • @Ayrilana.1396 said:
    I've personally been enjoying it and have been using it primarily when doing my dailies as well as the Dragonfall meta.

    do you work for anet or something? have family members or friends that do? get paid to support them on the forums or something?

  • Faaris.8013Faaris.8013 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @DarkRam.1572 said:

    @Ayrilana.1396 said:
    I've personally been enjoying it and have been using it primarily when doing my dailies as well as the Dragonfall meta.

    do you work for anet or something? have family members or friends that do? get paid to support them on the forums or something?

    Also, I don't really buy that. I tried to do the meta yesterday with Skyscale, and it sucks. You simply cannot keep up with the group heading from spot to spot. Also, for some reason Anet created the "Restraining Order" achievement in a way that forces players to compete against each other. You have to destroy 50 Crystal Pylons, and while in theory, the Skyscale can hover up to one, stop and let you hit the special key twice, in reality, you'll be outpaced by other players on Griffons. It happened to me and then I switched back to the Griffon. I should have made a video because in hindsight, that must have looked hilarious. You have your target in sight, you are heading to it with all the speed the Skyscale allows,suddenly, a wild Griffon appears from the clouds, descents right in front of you and heads the pylon twice as fast and destroys it before you can shout stop. It would be an ad for Griffons. I also got dismounted while using the Skyscale by those towers, which doesn't happen when you use the Griffon, since the Griffon evades.

    Of course one can use it "primarily" for the Dragonfall meta, but it's probably the worst choice one can make, and there is no good reason to advertise it.

  • Rukario.1695Rukario.1695 Member ✭✭✭

    Frankly I feel the Skyscale should have a 75% perm evade as long as you're moving mid-air. The slow speed + range enemies = poor choice. You always have to be above them or completely out of their way, especially in HoT and PoF maps where they can aggro you from half a mile away.

    More violence, less violets I say. I'm rich you know, because I watch the ledges.

  • Ayrilana.1396Ayrilana.1396 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @DarkRam.1572 said:

    @Ayrilana.1396 said:
    I've personally been enjoying it and have been using it primarily when doing my dailies as well as the Dragonfall meta.

    do you work for anet or something? have family members or friends that do? get paid to support them on the forums or something?

    So I must have the same position as you or I’m affiliated with Anet? I cannot have an opinion of my own that happens to be different than yours?

    @Faaris.8013 said:

    @DarkRam.1572 said:

    @Ayrilana.1396 said:
    I've personally been enjoying it and have been using it primarily when doing my dailies as well as the Dragonfall meta.

    do you work for anet or something? have family members or friends that do? get paid to support them on the forums or something?

    Also, I don't really buy that. I tried to do the meta yesterday with Skyscale, and it sucks. You simply cannot keep up with the group heading from spot to spot. Also, for some reason Anet created the "Restraining Order" achievement in a way that forces players to compete against each other. You have to destroy 50 Crystal Pylons, and while in theory, the Skyscale can hover up to one, stop and let you hit the special key twice, in reality, you'll be outpaced by other players on Griffons. It happened to me and then I switched back to the Griffon. I should have made a video because in hindsight, that must have looked hilarious. You have your target in sight, you are heading to it with all the speed the Skyscale allows,suddenly, a wild Griffon appears from the clouds, descents right in front of you and heads the pylon twice as fast and destroys it before you can shout stop. It would be an ad for Griffons. I also got dismounted while using the Skyscale by those towers, which doesn't happen when you use the Griffon, since the Griffon evades.

    Of course one can use it "primarily" for the Dragonfall meta, but it's probably the worst choice one can make, and there is no good reason to advertise it.

    I’ve been using it primarily for the meta as there really is no need to use any other mount specifically all the time. I use griffon to get from one place to another quickly which is really only for a few of the bonus bosses. I use springer if there’s a situation where I need to scale something quickly or I need to open with CC.

  • CETheLucid.3964CETheLucid.3964 Member ✭✭✭

    @JustTrogdor.7892 said:

    @Blocki.4931 said:

    @Artits.2795 said:
    I'm also very disappointed by it. I only completed the collection because I thought that when you unlock it and the mastery track, the skill that makes you jump walls could make it so that you fly > cling to a wall to recharge your blue meter > resume flying. Which would still be far from perfect considering it is a dragon so realistically there shouldn't be a limit to how much it can fly to begin with, but it would be a nice compromise between players and Anet's disturbing obsession with forcing players to play the game a certain way. Imagine my disappointment when I found out that not only is the climb/ recharge limited by stamina bars, it also builds the red meter the more you use it. I had to deal with limitations (timegates), limitations within limitations (the charged crystal parts) and so many collections to be able to own the most limited mount in the game?

    You regain endurance while flying...

    That's the part I'm still trying to figure out. Sometimes when I fly forward it regains endurance and sometimes it doesn't. I'm not talking about when it hits volatile magic and gains endurance. Sometimes going forward it slowly gains endurance, sometimes faster and sometimes not at all. I'm not sure what I'm doing wrong or what triggers it.

    The camera steering is too sensitive. In theory if you fly in a straight line you shouldn't lose sky juice at all. If you're angled down you should regain it. If you don't angle it absolutely perfect it thinks you're trying to gain altitude and the sky juice drain is absurdly severe. If they fixed that it would probably feel a lot better to use.

    I'm still working on getting mine and everyone's telling me the mastery makes it a lot better so I'm still basing this off the rental. I might try turning off conditional mount controls but I'm not sure how that'll affect my other mounts or if it'll help at all with the camera steering or just end up making it more tedious to use.

  • Celldrax.2849Celldrax.2849 Member ✭✭✭
    edited May 25, 2019

    @CETheLucid.3964 said:

    @JustTrogdor.7892 said:

    @Blocki.4931 said:

    @Artits.2795 said:
    I'm also very disappointed by it. I only completed the collection because I thought that when you unlock it and the mastery track, the skill that makes you jump walls could make it so that you fly > cling to a wall to recharge your blue meter > resume flying. Which would still be far from perfect considering it is a dragon so realistically there shouldn't be a limit to how much it can fly to begin with, but it would be a nice compromise between players and Anet's disturbing obsession with forcing players to play the game a certain way. Imagine my disappointment when I found out that not only is the climb/ recharge limited by stamina bars, it also builds the red meter the more you use it. I had to deal with limitations (timegates), limitations within limitations (the charged crystal parts) and so many collections to be able to own the most limited mount in the game?

    You regain endurance while flying...

    That's the part I'm still trying to figure out. Sometimes when I fly forward it regains endurance and sometimes it doesn't. I'm not talking about when it hits volatile magic and gains endurance. Sometimes going forward it slowly gains endurance, sometimes faster and sometimes not at all. I'm not sure what I'm doing wrong or what triggers it.

    The camera steering is too sensitive. In theory if you fly in a straight line you shouldn't lose sky juice at all. If you're angled down you should regain it. If you don't angle it absolutely perfect it thinks you're trying to gain altitude and the sky juice drain is absurdly severe. If they fixed that it would probably feel a lot better to use.

    I'm still working on getting mine and everyone's telling me the mastery makes it a lot better so I'm still basing this off the rental. I might try turning off conditional mount controls but I'm not sure how that'll affect my other mounts or if it'll help at all with the camera steering or just end up making it more tedious to use.

    It really does.

    Whilst clinging to the wall, a fully charged half stamina bar (so it can be used twice) gives roughly 66% flight endurance.

    It does drain pretty rapidly, but I've always found it sufficient enough for reaching the next landing spot.

  • Irreverent.3594Irreverent.3594 Member ✭✭✭

    C'mon people it's same as with griffon - Touch and go. Only with Skyscale you really go up in the air and not bunny hopping around rocks like with griffon until you are clear to jump in air from the edge.
    Just a touch to surface and flight juice is insta refilled. Ignore slow juice refill animation, it's just for show.
    You still need to calculate/plan your movement just like with other mounts: ok i will touch/refill juice there then i can go full up, touch there - up, hang on wall - recharge, up etc

    Only issue is no flight juice when mounting from glider/leyline, updraft.

    I'm using it as only mount now and it works perfectly. Map completion 2-3x faster than griffon/bunny. Yesterday was first time i did not rage while completing Draconis Mons xD
    And having all mount masteries really makes it shine.

  • Faaris.8013Faaris.8013 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Irreverent.3594 said:
    Map completion 2-3x faster than griffon/bunny.

    There is no way you can do a single map faster with the skyscale than with a combination of bunny and griffon. Not happening, your claim is pure fantasy.

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