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WvW is now unplayable.... cannot buy mount without expansions.

Ryan.3675Ryan.3675 Member

Just getting back into the game. I cannot afford any expansions, and I want to play WvW, which is one of my all time favorite game modes. I cannot keep up to my group without a mount. This game is now unplayable for me. This is a very disappointing feature that has been added. Please make it so that people without expansions can use or "rent" a mount only in WvW. It is a game killer.

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  • melandru.3876melandru.3876 Member ✭✭✭
    edited May 25, 2019

    a rental option, for some money and or/badges could work

    so players without exppansions can still use the mount, but with a fee.
    they could make it like if you paid the fee, and your character has now a 24 hour buff active (that only ticks down in wvw)

    same with how boosters etc work, they only deplete when the actual character is being played, only this would be strictly for wvw.

    24h is still long, depending on howmuch you play this can be from a single day, to an entire week.

    but it should deffo NOT be free, a fee must be payed. we bought the expansions, our fee has been paid

  • Etterwyn.5263Etterwyn.5263 Member ✭✭✭

    @Blodeuyn.2751 said:
    The fact that Anet would even consider a mount rental system just amplifies the fact mounts should never have been implemented in the first place. Poor planning, no testing, no "stupid-proofing", no foresight.

    Just like Wintersday races, amirite? :/

    WvW™ - where you find more Red Rings of Death than an Xbox repair facility.

  • Kovu.7560Kovu.7560 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Rent-a-cat sounds fine to me. 🐱

    ~ Kovu

    Ranger main before it was viable.
    Fort Aspenwood.

  • Ganathar.4956Ganathar.4956 Member ✭✭✭

    I have both expansions and I can understand that not having the mount is a huge disadvantage. Anet definitely need to do something about this. Either a rental or making the warclaw the only available mount for non-PoF players.

    Renting could be a viable option if they can make so you don't have to go back to an NPC every time you want to remount. If you have to go back to base every time then you still have a huge disadvantage.

    If they don't have the tech to do this then they will have to make the mount available to everyone. This does make PoF have a bit less of a selling point, but it does have some positives. It is a solution to players being left behind. It also gives f2pers a better taste of what mounts have to offer. They could use the warclaw in PvE as well as a basic mount that is inferior to other mounts.

  • Fengzhou.9853Fengzhou.9853 Member ✭✭✭

    @Dawdler.8521 said:

    @Kovu.7560 said:
    Rent-a-cat sounds fine to me. 🐱

    ~ Kovu

    It should also have dirty armour thats almost falling, a broken tail and a face that looks like someone ran into the same wall 10 times on purpose with the sign "low mileage, sligthly used" at the rental place.

    That made me chuckle IRL XD
    I can literally visualize this, I curse my artist's gift for that.

  • DemonSeed.3528DemonSeed.3528 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Dawdler.8521 said:
    It should also have dirty armour thats almost falling, a broken tail and a face that looks like someone ran into the same wall 10 times on purpose with the sign "low mileage, sligthly used" at the rental place.

    >

    If it gave that option, I'd pick it. Derpclaw sounds wonderful.

  • L A T I O N.8923L A T I O N.8923 Member ✭✭✭

    @Fengzhou
    Uh.. it's pretty unplayable if all you do is struggle to follow groups and get 100-0'd by the enemy team on THEIR mounts and not a soul will help out or wait up. That makes people who don't have the expansion or mount consider quitting/leaving and finding something else.

    'It's the status of the game unfortunately...Both pve and wvw it's keep up' OR dont get rewarded...this mount is a poor status of the game, no hardcore wvw'r wanted except for groups who love to pick on less numbers.

    I'm new to the wvw experience and so far I've found it to be just that. It's REALLY not fun on ANY level, that said, I can pretty much wait out the remainder of my collection, and HOPE to kill a guard and afk in the map until the zerg tags a keep to get that last piece...

    I have some mixed feelings on the collection for the warclaw, IT should be An overal experience for wvw and show how fun IT can be ...in the end it's a minor ktrain ln you, especially after month after mount release...a matter of 'find it OR loose it'

    I am all for some sort of rental service happening that gives a buff to a temp mount, even if it's just a bare bones mount with no abilities other then the simply ability to KEEP UP with the group. Asking for that isn't being unrealistic.

    Here's why i have a bit of mixed feelings, i mean people worked for it and after 2 yrs i decided to not do the Griffin collection in pve, the pve maps need more and more that collection done to, for instance, participate propperly in the meta. But i cant keep up' with the group

    Can i have the Griffin rent now?

  • Fengzhou.9853Fengzhou.9853 Member ✭✭✭

    @L A T I O N.8923 said:

    @Fengzhou
    Uh.. it's pretty unplayable if all you do is struggle to follow groups and get 100-0'd by the enemy team on THEIR mounts and not a soul will help out or wait up. That makes people who don't have the expansion or mount consider quitting/leaving and finding something else.

    'It's the status of the game unfortunately...Both pve and wvw it's keep up' OR dont get rewarded...this mount is a poor status of the game, no hardcore wvw'r wanted except for groups who love to pick on less numbers.

    I'm new to the wvw experience and so far I've found it to be just that. It's REALLY not fun on ANY level, that said, I can pretty much wait out the remainder of my collection, and HOPE to kill a guard and afk in the map until the zerg tags a keep to get that last piece...

    I have some mixed feelings on the collection for the warclaw, IT should be An overal experience for wvw and show how fun IT can be ...in the end it's a minor ktrain ln you, especially after month after mount release...a matter of 'find it OR loose it'

    I am all for some sort of rental service happening that gives a buff to a temp mount, even if it's just a bare bones mount with no abilities other then the simply ability to KEEP UP with the group. Asking for that isn't being unrealistic.

    Here's why i have a bit of mixed feelings, i mean people worked for it and after 2 yrs i decided to not do the Griffin collection in pve, the pve maps need more and more that collection done to, for instance, participate propperly in the meta. But i cant keep up' with the group

    Can i have the Griffin rent now?

    I'm not the sort of person who gets all mad at people having rental mounts at all despite my having done the collections for them. Rental mounts tend to be gutted compared to the full mastery unlock anyway.

    I don't see how it would necessarily be a terrible thing. :/

  • GaijinGuy.8476GaijinGuy.8476 Member ✭✭✭

    I bought PoF as soon as they announced the mount for WvW as I knew it was gonna be a must have. Letting people get a rental would be a good I think as it would lower frustration for f2p players.

  • Offair.2563Offair.2563 Member ✭✭✭

    @Dawdler.8521 said:

    @Kovu.7560 said:
    Rent-a-cat sounds fine to me. 🐱

    ~ Kovu

    It should also have dirty armour thats almost falling, a broken tail and a face that looks like someone ran into the same wall 10 times on purpose with the sign "low mileage, sligthly used" at the rental place.

    I picture a french bulldog now.

    Don't argue with idiots, they drag you down to their level and own you with experience.
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  • Kylden Ar.3724Kylden Ar.3724 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @GaijinGuy.8476 said:
    I bought PoF as soon as they announced the mount for WvW as I knew it was gonna be a must have. Letting people get a rental would be a good I think as it would lower frustration for f2p players.

    To be fair, F2P should not be playing WvW. They lack Gliding, Mounts, and the Elite Specs, that make up over 90% of the meta.

    All they do is drag down their servers. They should be limited to EotM only.

    How many times we gotta tell you GRIND IS NOT CONTENT there ANet?

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  • Cuks.8241Cuks.8241 Member ✭✭✭

    I think Warclaw should be for everyone. Otherwise it just hurts the game. I don't think there are many players that will buy the PoF just for WvW mount. Glinding is not nearly as game changing as the mount and there are still plenty of top notch or viable non-elite builds.

  • reddie.5861reddie.5861 Member ✭✭✭

    @Charrbeque.8729 said:
    Guild chat a couple months ago. They mentioned they were discussing a mount rental system for WvW for players who don't have it unlocked. Skip to 29:46 in the video.

    they also discussed about having dismount skill and mounts not being immune to CC and go on still dont see this in.
    WvW is idd not a place to be if u dont have mount, but all the other players in my other thread said its really easy to play without mount u just gotta be gut!

    so git gut id say!

    tbh remove kitten mounts would be better for every1 :D

  • Creaitov.6328Creaitov.6328 Member ✭✭✭

    @Kylden Ar.3724 said:

    @GaijinGuy.8476 said:
    I bought PoF as soon as they announced the mount for WvW as I knew it was gonna be a must have. Letting people get a rental would be a good I think as it would lower frustration for f2p players.

    To be fair, F2P should not be playing WvW. They lack Gliding, Mounts, and the Elite Specs, that make up over 90% of the meta.

    All they do is drag down their servers. They should be limited to EotM only.

    There are plenty of core builds that work though :x the first one that comes to mind is core thief, but I've seen a lot of pretty good core warriors as well. Also gliding is not that important, sure you lose on a couple "shortcuts" (aka just dropping from a cliff instead of having to take the long way around) but its not the end of the world.

    The warclaw on the other hand... the "no mount" icon in your bar paints a huge target sign on your back, and good luck keeping up with the people who do have the mount when you have to move to an objective. As far as I know there is no class with enough mobility to do that, not even thief or mesmer.

  • DragonSlayer.1087DragonSlayer.1087 Member ✭✭✭

    Can’t you convert gold to gems and buy expansion that way? or am I missing something here?

  • Taobella.6597Taobella.6597 Member ✭✭

    i must disagree here for "pvp" all game mode should be fair exp. Warclaw should be added to base game. However free to play user should not be able to use Warclaw outside of WvW.

  • Zephyra.4709Zephyra.4709 Member ✭✭✭

    lol imagine if they implement the rental mount for 1g a pop but it goes away on any death/dismount.

  • Dawdler.8521Dawdler.8521 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @DragonSlayer.1087 said:
    Can’t you convert gold to gems and buy expansion that way? or am I missing something here?

    You cant buy either expansion for gems.

  • Kylden Ar.3724Kylden Ar.3724 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Dawdler.8521 said:

    @DragonSlayer.1087 said:
    Can’t you convert gold to gems and buy expansion that way? or am I missing something here?

    You cant buy either expansion for gems.

    Because that would be a really dumb model.

    Don't buy free to play game, cause assuming kid with no job living to home. Use all that free time cause clearly no job to grind gold, convert to gems, still buy Xpac with Games at NO MONIES.

    With that model ANet would get ZERO MONIES EVER which is why the don't do it. I don't know why anyone would think they would.

    How many times we gotta tell you GRIND IS NOT CONTENT there ANet?

    Leader of Tyrian Adventure Corp [TACO], [RaW][TACO] Alliance, Kaineng.

  • crepuscular.9047crepuscular.9047 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Dawdler.8521 said:
    There are still highly mobile classes that suffer little from no mount. Those with perma swiftness, teleports and leaps etc. Thief in particular is about as fast (or faster) as a mount unless its a race across the entire map.

    ^ that, unless you arent using any trait or run speed boost skills, it's very easy to keep up with warclaw, i've seen lots of zerg leads running without warclaw to ensure the backline does not fall too far behind

    I sometimes hate mounting in warclaw in WvW, sometimes i forget, or the lag gets to me when unmounting and i'd jump off a cliff with warcalw and fall to my death

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  • iKeostuKen.2738iKeostuKen.2738 Member ✭✭✭

    @javascript.7924 said:
    why should anet spend dev time to design a feature that allows f2p to get mounts and circumvent purchasing expansions? they are running a business and need to make money to keep the game going. Surely you can afford the $15 or whatever it is to buy the expansion

    Cant be serious...

  • Ra Ra.9423Ra Ra.9423 Member ✭✭

    I would support a wvw rental mount. Like the pve mounts, a rental mount may, or may not, include the ability to assign attributes, if that's something that is considered. I own the expansions, and play both pve and wvw, so I enjoy every benefit of the expansion. For players that pretty much solely play wvw, they may not see the advantage of owning PoF just to get the mount, though they also wouldn't be able to access the PoF elite specializations nor gear.
    I want to see more people play wvw, and think that this would only be a benefit to our wvw community to attract players, rather than possibly creating negative experiences. I've seen players racing to keep up with the zerg, or their group, and it does seem a disadvantage. Also, if they try the mount, it could encourage getting the expansion.
    My 2 cents.

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  • aleios.8792aleios.8792 Member ✭✭

    Considering warclaw was a kitten addition in the first place... either they add the rental idea, give it to all, or remove the stupid thing. It would actually be awesome if they would actually play wvw. People with at least 1 brain cell would be good. The guys that play it already have the most idiotic builds one could ever find. They don't know their own kitten game.

    @Balthazzarr.1349
    Then don't. That's always been stupid reasoning. "it's part of keeping game makers in business" Know what else is? Not making trash content and taking a dump on your community.

  • LucianDK.8615LucianDK.8615 Member ✭✭✭✭

    When gliders got added to wvw, it was only a question of time for mounts too. Buy the expacks to be competitive, theres no way around it.

  • Obtena.7952Obtena.7952 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited May 27, 2019

    @Balthazzarr.1349 said:
    I almost hate to say this but seriously, the rest of us paid and paid again and did all the grinding. Sorry but it’s part of keeping the game makers in business, as well as being fair to the thousands that paid the price.

    That's a very valid point that I think people need to recognize ... loyal players DO get rewarded in this way. If someone decides to leave for a few years and they come back and are irrelevant in some way, Anet shouldn't be going out of there way to accommodate those players without some cost to those players. In this case the cost is a hard slog to earn the mount. Maybe Anet makes it so you can rent a mount ... I'm not against the idea, but the rent better be more than the effort to earn it outright.

    The big problem is that there isn't much business case to accommodate flighty players ... they already demonstrate extreme levels of non-commitment to the game. I can't see why would Anet implement that system for the least loyal players.

    If you think balancing is only driven by performance and justified by comparisons to other classes then prepare to be educated:

    https://www.guildwars2.com/en/news/balance-updates-the-heralds-near-future-and-pvp-league-season-13/

  • Teon.5168Teon.5168 Member ✭✭✭
    edited May 27, 2019

    I have a 2nd account that I play in wvw from time to time, and I don't have a mount for it, yet....and I don't have any problem playing wvw without the mount. Yea, the mount makes things easier, but wvw is far from "unplayable" without the mount.

    At the same time, I wouldn't be adverse to mount rentals. Make it like the food or utility buffs you can buy. 5g for a rental mount for 30 minutes. Buy as many as you want and use them just like food buffs. The 5g cost would make it so that, in the long run, it would be cheaper to buy the expansion, but would give non-committed players a chance to use them.

  • Cuks.8241Cuks.8241 Member ✭✭✭

    @Obtena.7952 said:

    @Balthazzarr.1349 said:
    I almost hate to say this but seriously, the rest of us paid and paid again and did all the grinding. Sorry but it’s part of keeping the game makers in business, as well as being fair to the thousands that paid the price.

    That's a very valid point that I think people need to recognize ... loyal players DO get rewarded in this way. If someone decides to leave for a few years and they come back and are irrelevant in some way, Anet shouldn't be going out of there way to accommodate those players without some cost to those players. In this case the cost is a hard slog to earn the mount. Maybe Anet makes it so you can rent a mount ... I'm not against the idea, but the rent better be more than the effort to earn it outright.

    The big problem is that there isn't much business case to accommodate flighty players ... they already demonstrate extreme levels of non-commitment to the game. I can't see why would Anet implement that system for the least loyal players.

    Warclaw is just one little thing in the whole content that PoF has to offer. They would not be able to use it outside WvW. It benefits they game mode if everyone is on even grounds. I don't want to have p2win stuff in any form of pvp. Why they should implement such a system? Because it would be good for everyone and I don't think it is an income factor at all for them. I don't really understand the I paid for it so no one should have it for free argument especially if it benefits the whole.

  • Balthazzarr.1349Balthazzarr.1349 Member ✭✭✭

    @Cuks.8241 said:

    @Obtena.7952 said:

    @Balthazzarr.1349 said:
    I almost hate to say this but seriously, the rest of us paid and paid again and did all the grinding. Sorry but it’s part of keeping the game makers in business, as well as being fair to the thousands that paid the price.

    That's a very valid point that I think people need to recognize ... loyal players DO get rewarded in this way. If someone decides to leave for a few years and they come back and are irrelevant in some way, Anet shouldn't be going out of there way to accommodate those players without some cost to those players. In this case the cost is a hard slog to earn the mount. Maybe Anet makes it so you can rent a mount ... I'm not against the idea, but the rent better be more than the effort to earn it outright.

    The big problem is that there isn't much business case to accommodate flighty players ... they already demonstrate extreme levels of non-commitment to the game. I can't see why would Anet implement that system for the least loyal players.

    Warclaw is just one little thing in the whole content that PoF has to offer. They would not be able to use it outside WvW. It benefits they game mode if everyone is on even grounds. I don't want to have p2win stuff in any form of pvp. Why they should implement such a system? Because it would be good for everyone and I don't think it is an income factor at all for them. I don't really understand the I paid for it so no one should have it for free argument especially if it benefits the whole.

    It doesn’t benefit me to have someone who hasn’t done the work and got the experience that goes along with it.

    Just another WvW lifer who'll never say die... while dying again and again!

  • Obtena.7952Obtena.7952 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited May 27, 2019

    @Cuks.8241 said:

    @Obtena.7952 said:

    @Balthazzarr.1349 said:
    I almost hate to say this but seriously, the rest of us paid and paid again and did all the grinding. Sorry but it’s part of keeping the game makers in business, as well as being fair to the thousands that paid the price.

    That's a very valid point that I think people need to recognize ... loyal players DO get rewarded in this way. If someone decides to leave for a few years and they come back and are irrelevant in some way, Anet shouldn't be going out of there way to accommodate those players without some cost to those players. In this case the cost is a hard slog to earn the mount. Maybe Anet makes it so you can rent a mount ... I'm not against the idea, but the rent better be more than the effort to earn it outright.

    The big problem is that there isn't much business case to accommodate flighty players ... they already demonstrate extreme levels of non-commitment to the game. I can't see why would Anet implement that system for the least loyal players.

    Warclaw is just one little thing in the whole content that PoF has to offer. They would not be able to use it outside WvW. It benefits they game mode if everyone is on even grounds. I don't want to have p2win stuff in any form of pvp. Why they should implement such a system? Because it would be good for everyone and I don't think it is an income factor at all for them. I don't really understand the I paid for it so no one should have it for free argument especially if it benefits the whole.

    If you don't think Warclaw has anything to do with income, then you don't get what's going on here. It's a business decision that Warclaw got added because it cost Anet money to do it. They don't just add stuff to the game because it's cool.

    If you think balancing is only driven by performance and justified by comparisons to other classes then prepare to be educated:

    https://www.guildwars2.com/en/news/balance-updates-the-heralds-near-future-and-pvp-league-season-13/

  • Sobx.1758Sobx.1758 Member ✭✭✭✭

    I wouldn't really have anything against a possibility to rent the Warclaw mount strictly for the WvW maps. I bought Hot and PoF for all of their content, claiming that I expected Warclaw while buying PoF and using it as a reason to say "I paid for it so others should too!" would be silly imo. Let them use it in WvW to level the ground in a pvp(ve) environment +possibly make the players miss their mount in open world and that's all.
    It's doubtful (to say the least) that anyone would buy PoF just for the single WvW mount, so I don't really see how anet would lose any significant money by making it available for everyone in WvW.

  • Stand The Wall.6987Stand The Wall.6987 Member ✭✭✭✭

    this is great mount publicity btw. probably the only reason to introduce mounts to wvw is to make wvw players want to buy them... so yeah.

  • Clyan.1593Clyan.1593 Member ✭✭✭

    I dont care about anything. You can have 1000 mounts for rent in my opinion, it's absolutely meaningless to me.

  • Thornwolf.9721Thornwolf.9721 Member ✭✭✭
    edited May 28, 2019

    So let us not forget this mount is a "Living world" mount, and not even that but a "Free update" mount. You didn't pay squat for this mount as it was free and extra content added ontop of the expansion. You paid for PoF core PoF at that, the living world and the like are all additions made for free by the dev's and most of it is harmless but the warclaw is an exception because it directly effects balance, WvW as a whole and performance. The elitism over something so trivial is disgusting and frankly we want this community to grow, punishing new players who have to go through the collection/achievements is harsh. They won't stick around especially if RvR is their thing and with Camelot unchained looming on the horizon that is dangerous.

    The rental should be for limited time and should take gold, and or perhaps mats even to make. It should only be useable within WvW to help players along until they unlock the warclaw/get to where they can get it. Just a means to keep up with the zerg and move with the rest of us so we are all on an even playing field. If them having the means to keep up with their pack hurts you on your performance then you're simply a terrible player. Because all it would be akin too is fighting with even numbers against a force; It's nothing major outside of leveling the playing field. The work to get it is not even that hard and takes little time and effort; A throw away thing just to implement another monetization scheme in the form of mount skins. Im all for it; Because then it would allow people to be in WvW and not feel excluded and weaker than they already do without the elite specs (Which is already a huge selling point, we don't need some trashy free mount to try and be as well.)

    And by the way it probably cost them little to make this mount, its the griffin/sky-scale model without wings as it has the same animations and rigging. Its just a basic reskin so now I don't think it costed them too much. Nothing akin to say failed projects that sucked down development time, resources and pulled off important people from their main game to spend wasted hours on something that will amount to nothing no? Stop trying to be a kitten to new players, they are important and will help us keep this game going. The more who come and leave add to the potential that eventually the game might die sooner rather than later; We are already in trouble with how the layoffs went we don't need the community turning on one another.

    And believe me it would offer players a reason to buy PoF as once they start using mounts, they will want to continue and running in the open world would be so much more fun with mounts don't ya know? So once the rental is used enough and exposes the F2P players to it and how it feels they will want to get the real thing, which gives them a trial test-drive to see if they'd like it. As well the rental could be horrible in the face of the warclaw (A dolyak or something) no attack or anything, just mount up to move with the group but you have to dismount and have no perks with it. Make it basic, but still fun to use in movement and let them experience the "Joy of movement" Since you believe it is such a huge selling point.

  • Dawdler.8521Dawdler.8521 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited May 28, 2019

    @Thornwolf.9721 said:
    So let us not forget this mount is a "Living world" mount, and not even that but a "Free update" mount. You didn't pay squat for this mount as it was free and extra content added ontop of the expansion. You paid for PoF core PoF at that, the living world and the like are all additions made for free by the dev's and most of it is harmless but the warclaw is an exception because it directly effects balance, WvW as a whole and performance.

    Path of Fire include the LS season, just like HoT included the previous. You paid for it. Saying its free does not compute. If you miss logging in when its "free", you paid for content you didnt use and have to pay for it twice. Since mounts are part of PoF... You still paid for the warclaw.

  • Soulock.1752Soulock.1752 Member ✭✭
    edited May 28, 2019

    I don't mind seeing Anet giving options for F2P folks to rent WvW Mount (Warclaw) and Glider for at least 1-2 gold each and able to use them only in WvW with a duration of 12 Hrs + buff like indication of how much time they got left before it expires... also, it will be nice for it to be in PvE/Raids too! Like a nearby tavern/ranch/airship/vender (please, make it lore + environment friendly) to rent a mount/glider (reminds me of Black Desert Online rent system) to keep it simple and fair for Players that purchased the Expansion and those who are F2P to keep up with those that has the expansion 😄

    FYI Core Spec in WvW is not dead at all 😂 it still very much alive in party/solo Roaming! Same for huge Zerg fights where Elementalist, Necromancer, Revenant can still hit like a truck or boon-corrupt! I'm living proof as I play Core Mesmer for Solo/Party Roaming and hunting squishy Zerg tail 😏👌 there are other Core Players who Roam/Zerg in WvW that can proof it! So don't despair as there is always hope 😊

  • Dediggefedde.4961Dediggefedde.4961 Member ✭✭✭

    On my server, there are also some guilds that run core-guards. In zerg setups, weaver/tempest, scourge/reaper, herald/renegade, holo/scrapper, daredevil, chronomancer, spellbreaker usually are much more useful compared to their other specializations. However WvW zergs are still playable as core necro/renevant/warrior/elementalist/mesmer/guard. Core thief/hunter are mostly rally-bots in zergs in my opinion, though. As a side note, druids and soulbeasts (stance-share) also are somewhat playable in a zerg, but it's difficult to reach the average of other classes there at the moment. Core revs are not accessible without HoT, as far as I know. core engineers can probably survive well with a flamethrower-build or try the healscrapper-build with tools & overshield instead (no group-Superspeed, less defense, -30% heal, -30% cleanse or so) .

    For roaming core-thiefs, hunters and engineers still are fun to play. Be careful to choose opponents, though. There are also some cor warrior/mesmer/guard roamers around, so that's working, too, to some extent.

    Regarding the warclaw: if you want to duel, you don't need the warclaw. For havoc-teams or flipping camps it's mostly fine without, too. Only sometimes you'll come too late to the flip.
    For zergs or zerg-flanking you probably need a fast class, so thief/hunter/engineer might be options.

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