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I hope they completely rework dune cloak some day. It’s really useless for a grandmaster and infinite horizon is better in every scenario.

Dune cloak was a choice when phantasms were permanent and you would shatter them instead of clones so you could put out 3 pistol illusions and spam dune cloak but ever since the phantasm rework that’s no longer possible.

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@"Heartpains.7312" said:So how long is gonna take them to start on reworking the dead traits, or the traits that they have killed? same goes for skills

We just keep getting bigger and bigger lists of those traits and skills.Did I miss something? (Only traits. For skills you can do it yourself :P )! https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Critical_Infusion

! "Dueling is a core specialization of the mesmer that focuses on enhancing dodging, interrupts and improving your phantasms' damage." Enhancing dodging they say?! https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Egotism! https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Blinding_Dissipation! https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Evasive_Mirror! https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Escape_Artist lul at this! https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Mental_Defense! https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Power_Block! https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Illusionary_Reversion! https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Riddle_of_Sand! https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Elusive_Mind! https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Dune_Cloak!https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Speed_of_Sand

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@"Heartpains.7312" said:Thanks praqtos, I sure didn't go through the troubles of making the list, but just wondering how long til they really start reworking them, by the time they finish the dead list from the above they would kill more probably. =pDueling traitline "enchance evades" but does nothing for it.Powerblock is literally not worth taking anymore. GS is still stuck in 2k12.Mesmer community is just dead tbh. No one cares about anything anymore. Unjustified nerfs? Its fine. ©

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@"praqtos.9035" said:

Dueling traitline "enchance evades" but does nothing for it.Powerblock is literally not worth taking anymore. GS is still stuck in 2k12.Mesmer community is just dead tbh. No one cares about anything anymore. Unjustified nerfs? Its fine. ©

I think mostly mesmers are too tired to care.

We will see next patch, it is important patch for us.

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@Heartpains.7312 said:

@"praqtos.9035" said:

Dueling traitline "enchance evades" but does nothing for it.Powerblock is literally not worth taking anymore. GS is still stuck in 2k12.Mesmer community is just dead tbh. No one cares about anything anymore. Unjustified nerfs? Its fine. ©

I think mostly mesmers are too tired to care.

We will see next patch, it is important patch for us.

Certain twitch monkey probably still crying about mesmer, should we expect more nerfs?:)

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@Lincolnbeard.1735 said:Can only speak for myself tired of giving a kitten.We even made a gigantic list of stuff that needs a buff they took one suggestion while nerfing two traits, buff one trait nerf two.The only thing I do nowadays is a key run, meaning 15min of playtime each week.

This basically^I am going to be putting this game back in maintenance mode and just log in for dailies. As long as this dev team remains completely incompetent nothing is going to get better.

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Don't expect too much. The blinding dissipation trait change from Blind shatter to 1 blind from CoF is just embarrassing for its laziness and lack of care. They don't want to nerf Mirage too much because they still want people to buy PoF, so they nerf core Mes traits instead which nothing short of retarded.

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@Lincolnbeard.1735 said:True.Except mesmer's entire traitlines are trash:Duel - 2 good grandmasters, rest is trash.Illusion - 1 good adept, rest is trash.Mirage - 1 good grandmaster, rest is trash.

I always thought that we are masters of manipulation, but it seems we became masters of trash =p

Well, I just hope for some rework to some of these dead and killed traits and skills so we might have choices, not expecting things on this patch but maybe in the future xD

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@Heartpains.7312 said:

@Safandula.8723 said:Am I the only one who thinks, that Mesmer has the best real choice of choosing traits? I know all master dueling traits are kitten now, but overall this class has the most usefull traits in the game.IMO

We don't really have choices, and we have many dead/killed traits and skills.

Ofc, i just think, other classes have much more of dead skills and traits and would need rewamp more than mesmer

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@Safandula.8723 said:

@Safandula.8723 said:Am I the only one who thinks, that Mesmer has the best real choice of choosing traits? I know all master dueling traits are kitten now, but overall this class has the most usefull traits in the game.IMO

We don't really have choices, and we have many dead/killed traits and skills.

Ofc, i just think, other classes have much more of dead skills and traits and would need rewamp more than mesmer

I have to disagree with this as well..Mesmer has the illusion of choice.Where the traits sound good on paper. Then in practice they don't work.

What other classes are you thinking of? I am curious.

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I did a similar thread for guardian a while back. This is not a Mesmer exclusive problem unfortunately. However the dev team is very busy you guys know. The paper planes are not going to make themselves ?

@Solori.6025 said:

@Safandula.8723 said:Am I the only one who thinks, that Mesmer has the best real choice of choosing traits? I know all master dueling traits are kitten now, but overall this class has the most usefull traits in the game.IMO

We don't really have choices, and we have many dead/killed traits and skills.

Ofc, i just think, other classes have much more of dead skills and traits and would need rewamp more than mesmer

I have to disagree with this as well..Mesmer has the illusion of choice.Where the traits sound good on paper. Then in practice they don't work.

What other classes are you thinking of? I am curious.

What context are we talking? Mesmer right now is the worst class in sPvP. I do not WvW, but I know Mesmer is a good roamer, both power and condi. That is more than most classes. Group PvE, Mesmer has viable power, condi and support builds. They are not the best, but they perform well.

Open world PvE, I strongly disagree. Mesmer is currently the best class in open world PvE, with loads of viable setups.

And honestly, all classes have limited useful traits and skills. The illusion of choice applies to all classes. Mesmer in PvE has it better than most.

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@Solori.6025 said:

@Safandula.8723 said:Am I the only one who thinks, that Mesmer has the best real choice of choosing traits? I know all master dueling traits are kitten now, but overall this class has the most usefull traits in the game.IMO

We don't really have choices, and we have many dead/killed traits and skills.

Ofc, i just think, other classes have much more of dead skills and traits and would need rewamp more than mesmer

I have to disagree with this as well..Mesmer has the illusion of choice.Where the traits sound good on paper. Then in practice they don't work.

What other classes are you thinking of? I am curious.

Rev, thief, engi, Necro. Among these classes, Mesmer has the biggest choice of usefull traits.Lot of Mesmer traits may have balance issues, but a lot of them can change the way u play. While other classes has traits that just give u x or y, give passive something, moar dmg

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@Safandula.8723 said:

@Safandula.8723 said:Am I the only one who thinks, that Mesmer has the best real choice of choosing traits? I know all master dueling traits are kitten now, but overall this class has the most usefull traits in the game.IMO

We don't really have choices, and we have many dead/killed traits and skills.

Ofc, i just think, other classes have much more of dead skills and traits and would need rewamp more than mesmer

I have to disagree with this as well..Mesmer has the illusion of choice.Where the traits sound good on paper. Then in practice they don't work.

What other classes are you thinking of? I am curious.

Rev, thief, engi, Necro. Among these classes, Mesmer has the biggest choice of usefull traits.Lot of Mesmer traits may have balance issues, but a lot of them can change the way u play. While other classes has traits that just give u x or y, give passive something, moar dmg

Can you plz name what trait choices you are talking about?

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@otto.5684 said:I did a similar thread for guardian a while back. This is not a Mesmer exclusive problem unfortunately. However the dev team is very busy you guys know. The paper planes are not going to make themselves ?

@Safandula.8723 said:Am I the only one who thinks, that Mesmer has the best real choice of choosing traits? I know all master dueling traits are kitten now, but overall this class has the most usefull traits in the game.IMO

We don't really have choices, and we have many dead/killed traits and skills.

Ofc, i just think, other classes have much more of dead skills and traits and would need rewamp more than mesmer

I have to disagree with this as well..Mesmer has the illusion of choice.Where the traits sound good on paper. Then in practice they don't work.

What other classes are you thinking of? I am curious.

What context are we talking? Mesmer right now is the worst class in sPvP. I do not WvW, but I know Mesmer is a good roamer, both power and condi. That is more than most classes. Group PvE, Mesmer has viable power, condi and support builds. They are not the best, but they perform well.

Open world PvE, I strongly disagree. Mesmer is currently the best class in open world PvE, with loads of viable setups.

And honestly, all classes have limited useful traits and skills. The illusion of choice applies to all classes. Mesmer in PvE has it better than most.

Spvp..or WvW . . I actually don't do much open world PvE.

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