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Overloads

Eddbopkins.2630Eddbopkins.2630 Member ✭✭✭✭
edited May 30, 2019 in Elementalist

Overloads need quickness to be successful in a pvp setting. you have so many quick bursty moves now, ele is so far left in the dust its not even a meme any more just just sad and disappointing. You have reaper shroud that has quickness, u have holos that chain attacks and have every boon imaginable, u have revs and gaurd tele bombing like its the year 3000, you have rangers that have 1200 range 7 second cd that is unchallengeable against an ele , and what does ele have? slow easily disrupted CC skill that really will get you killed 90% of the time if u do it in any meaningful combat situation.
It just lacks reliability of completion. And that can be fixed by giving ele a trait that gives overload quickness

Comments

  • Dahir.4158Dahir.4158 Member ✭✭✭

    Just add it to Unstable Conduit.

    Broski Supreme - Borsk Carry Effect

  • lLobo.7960lLobo.7960 Member ✭✭✭

    I like to pretend that the lack of updates to ele is because they are making a amazing rework of the traitlines and weapon skills like it was done for mesmer, rev, and thief.
    It will be so good it will boost ele versatility and make it possible to create a huge variety of builds that can work well as a burst dps in pvp, offensive support in raids, defensive support in wvw and pvp and much more...

  • Jski.6180Jski.6180 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited May 30, 2019

    @lLobo.7960 said:
    I like to pretend that the lack of updates to ele is because they are making a amazing rework of the traitlines and weapon skills like it was done for mesmer, rev, and thief.
    It will be so good it will boost ele versatility and make it possible to create a huge variety of builds that can work well as a burst dps in pvp, offensive support in raids, defensive support in wvw and pvp and much more...

    There no ele dev so not sure who making it. Hope can be far worst then any evil.

    Now i got that bit out of the way i love to see overloads more of an hold and use ability the longer you hold the stronger the used burst but if you hold it too long you get an week burst or a "self blow up" type of effect. At the same time this should make swaps longer cd giving the tempest a real cost to pay to be a tempest but no cd on the overload once you atune into that element only a cd after you overload (longer cd if you burst the overload).

    See ELE forms and you will get my views.

  • Eddbopkins.2630Eddbopkins.2630 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited May 30, 2019

    What id actually like to see is the longer you hold the overload button down the bigger the overload circle gets, so if u have a target on ur as s you can have a small overload of what ever to help your self out. Or a field to be used by your team. As it is now its a complete waist if you dont finish it and most of the time you really dont get the chance.

  • apharma.3741apharma.3741 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Better idea:

    Rework FB and actually address the power creep which is causing so many players to complain damage (and everything else for that matter) is too high.

    Suddenly nothing needs to be changed because tempest is the 2nd best support bar non and the TTK is at a point that doesn't render overloads useless and too long to use.

  • Jski.6180Jski.6180 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @apharma.3741 said:
    Better idea:

    Rework FB and actually address the power creep which is causing so many players to complain damage (and everything else for that matter) is too high.

    Suddenly nothing needs to be changed because tempest is the 2nd best support bar non and the TTK is at a point that doesn't render overloads useless and too long to use.

    You got to rework scraper/eng, duride, and even rev if you want to deal with support power creep to make tempest on part with the other classes of support.

    Its just not going to happen the blacklash would be too much for anet better to ask for more buffs on the classes who lack every thing.

    See ELE forms and you will get my views.

  • apharma.3741apharma.3741 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Jski.6180 said:

    @apharma.3741 said:
    Better idea:

    Rework FB and actually address the power creep which is causing so many players to complain damage (and everything else for that matter) is too high.

    Suddenly nothing needs to be changed because tempest is the 2nd best support bar non and the TTK is at a point that doesn't render overloads useless and too long to use.

    You got to rework scraper/eng, duride, and even rev if you want to deal with support power creep to make tempest on part with the other classes of support.

    Its just not going to happen the blacklash would be too much for anet better to ask for more buffs on the classes who lack every thing.

    Well for a start ele doesn't lack everything, you either have no clue about the game or being deliberately misleading if you're saying that as ele has self and allied heals, cleanses, combos and combo fields as well as a whole host of boons it can give to itself and allies on top of a monopoly on auras almost.

    Secondly ele is the 2nd best support in PvP bar non. In the HoT 2v2 tournament Rom hosted tempest + reaper duo won hands down and tempest was by far the best option for support because of the auras it brings ontop of the boons and sustain and that was before it was buffed.

    Saying "It's not going to happen" and "the backlash would be too big" is basically a cowardly statement and an excuse to continue doing the wrong thing when you not only know it's wrong but also know what the right thing to do is. It is a terrible thing because you're lying to yourself and everyone here. Do better please.

  • Eddbopkins.2630Eddbopkins.2630 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @apharma.3741 said:

    @Jski.6180 said:

    @apharma.3741 said:
    Better idea:

    Rework FB and actually address the power creep which is causing so many players to complain damage (and everything else for that matter) is too high.

    Suddenly nothing needs to be changed because tempest is the 2nd best support bar non and the TTK is at a point that doesn't render overloads useless and too long to use.

    You got to rework scraper/eng, duride, and even rev if you want to deal with support power creep to make tempest on part with the other classes of support.

    Its just not going to happen the blacklash would be too much for anet better to ask for more buffs on the classes who lack every thing.

    Well for a start ele doesn't lack everything, you either have no clue about the game or being deliberately misleading if you're saying that as ele has self and allied heals, cleanses, combos and combo fields as well as a whole host of boons it can give to itself and allies on top of a monopoly on auras almost.

    Secondly ele is the 2nd best support in PvP bar non. In the HoT 2v2 tournament Rom hosted tempest + reaper duo won hands down and tempest was by far the best option for support because of the auras it brings ontop of the boons and sustain and that was before it was buffed.

    Saying "It's not going to happen" and "the backlash would be too big" is basically a cowardly statement and an excuse to continue doing the wrong thing when you not only know it's wrong but also know what the right thing to do is. It is a terrible thing because you're lying to yourself and everyone here. Do better please.

    I dont think youve play ele in any meaningful competitive pvp setting.

  • apharma.3741apharma.3741 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Eddbopkins.2630 said:

    @apharma.3741 said:

    @Jski.6180 said:

    @apharma.3741 said:
    Better idea:

    Rework FB and actually address the power creep which is causing so many players to complain damage (and everything else for that matter) is too high.

    Suddenly nothing needs to be changed because tempest is the 2nd best support bar non and the TTK is at a point that doesn't render overloads useless and too long to use.

    You got to rework scraper/eng, duride, and even rev if you want to deal with support power creep to make tempest on part with the other classes of support.

    Its just not going to happen the blacklash would be too much for anet better to ask for more buffs on the classes who lack every thing.

    Well for a start ele doesn't lack everything, you either have no clue about the game or being deliberately misleading if you're saying that as ele has self and allied heals, cleanses, combos and combo fields as well as a whole host of boons it can give to itself and allies on top of a monopoly on auras almost.

    Secondly ele is the 2nd best support in PvP bar non. In the HoT 2v2 tournament Rom hosted tempest + reaper duo won hands down and tempest was by far the best option for support because of the auras it brings ontop of the boons and sustain and that was before it was buffed.

    Saying "It's not going to happen" and "the backlash would be too big" is basically a cowardly statement and an excuse to continue doing the wrong thing when you not only know it's wrong but also know what the right thing to do is. It is a terrible thing because you're lying to yourself and everyone here. Do better please.

    I dont think youve play ele in any meaningful competitive pvp setting.

    Try using facts rather than trying to attack my character.

    Here's the wiki on conditions and further down it shows cleanses, notice how many traits ele has that cleanse from allies as well as themselves.
    https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Condition

    Here's another list of healing, notice the wealth of skills ele has on weapons and it more than matches in traits
    https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Healing

    Let's have a look at metabattle shall we?
    https://metabattle.com/wiki/Conquest

    Now what is the best support? Yeah Firebrand, what's the next best? Yeah it's Tempest all the way down there in "Good" section, nothing else is even there for support. Remember scrapper is a bunker, it barely supports.

    Now let's look at WvW?
    https://metabattle.com/wiki/WvW

    Oh look D/F auramancer is right there under great and it isn't rejected from any open squad in WvW. Sure it's not GvG meta entirely (though it has been used) but that is not going to affect 99.9% of the population.

    So please do tell me how ele is a class that "lacks everything" especially as many top players are keeping an eye on it especially in PvP.

  • Eddbopkins.2630Eddbopkins.2630 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited May 31, 2019

    @apharma.3741 said:

    @Eddbopkins.2630 said:

    @apharma.3741 said:

    @Jski.6180 said:

    @apharma.3741 said:
    Better idea:

    Rework FB and actually address the power creep which is causing so many players to complain damage (and everything else for that matter) is too high.

    Suddenly nothing needs to be changed because tempest is the 2nd best support bar non and the TTK is at a point that doesn't render overloads useless and too long to use.

    You got to rework scraper/eng, duride, and even rev if you want to deal with support power creep to make tempest on part with the other classes of support.

    Its just not going to happen the blacklash would be too much for anet better to ask for more buffs on the classes who lack every thing.

    Well for a start ele doesn't lack everything, you either have no clue about the game or being deliberately misleading if you're saying that as ele has self and allied heals, cleanses, combos and combo fields as well as a whole host of boons it can give to itself and allies on top of a monopoly on auras almost.

    Secondly ele is the 2nd best support in PvP bar non. In the HoT 2v2 tournament Rom hosted tempest + reaper duo won hands down and tempest was by far the best option for support because of the auras it brings ontop of the boons and sustain and that was before it was buffed.

    Saying "It's not going to happen" and "the backlash would be too big" is basically a cowardly statement and an excuse to continue doing the wrong thing when you not only know it's wrong but also know what the right thing to do is. It is a terrible thing because you're lying to yourself and everyone here. Do better please.

    I dont think youve play ele in any meaningful competitive pvp setting.

    Try using facts rather than trying to attack my character.

    Here's the wiki on conditions and further down it shows cleanses, notice how many traits ele has that cleanse from allies as well as themselves.
    https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Condition

    Here's another list of healing, notice the wealth of skills ele has on weapons and it more than matches in traits
    https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Healing

    Let's have a look at metabattle shall we?
    https://metabattle.com/wiki/Conquest

    Now what is the best support? Yeah Firebrand, what's the next best? Yeah it's Tempest all the way down there in "Good" section, nothing else is even there for support. Remember scrapper is a bunker, it barely supports.

    Now let's look at WvW?
    https://metabattle.com/wiki/WvW

    Oh look D/F auramancer is right there under great and it isn't rejected from any open squad in WvW. Sure it's not GvG meta entirely (though it has been used) but that is not going to affect 99.9% of the population.

    So please do tell me how ele is a class that "lacks everything" especially as many top players are keeping an eye on it especially in PvP.

    You say all this but in actualy combat it doesnt hold up. It gets slapped around and melted in the wake of necro cc and condi bomb, reaper shroud, tele bombs from gaurds and revs, kills it self against condi mesmers and confusion.

    i wouldnt say im a terrible player but when he quality of the enemy isnt all that great it shines pretty good. But in the top leagues it just dies to a sneeze.
    https://plays.tv/video/5cef59da2d33cce49f/guild-wars-2-pvp-tempest?from=user
    https://plays.tv/video/5ceba4de08c9a14f81/guild-wars-2-pvp-fa-ele-waver-collisium-very-faulty-gameplay?from=user

  • Jski.6180Jski.6180 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @apharma.3741 said:

    @Jski.6180 said:

    @apharma.3741 said:
    Better idea:

    Rework FB and actually address the power creep which is causing so many players to complain damage (and everything else for that matter) is too high.

    Suddenly nothing needs to be changed because tempest is the 2nd best support bar non and the TTK is at a point that doesn't render overloads useless and too long to use.

    You got to rework scraper/eng, duride, and even rev if you want to deal with support power creep to make tempest on part with the other classes of support.

    Its just not going to happen the blacklash would be too much for anet better to ask for more buffs on the classes who lack every thing.

    Well for a start ele doesn't lack everything, you either have no clue about the game or being deliberately misleading if you're saying that as ele has self and allied heals, cleanses, combos and combo fields as well as a whole host of boons it can give to itself and allies on top of a monopoly on auras almost.

    Secondly ele is the 2nd best support in PvP bar non. In the HoT 2v2 tournament Rom hosted tempest + reaper duo won hands down and tempest was by far the best option for support because of the auras it brings ontop of the boons and sustain and that was before it was buffed.

    Saying "It's not going to happen" and "the backlash would be too big" is basically a cowardly statement and an excuse to continue doing the wrong thing when you not only know it's wrong but also know what the right thing to do is. It is a terrible thing because you're lying to yourself and everyone here. Do better please.

    It has hp it has armor it is a class in gw2 it has healing it has condi clears it has dmg and it has animations but so dose every class in the game even worst scraper dose all of this many times over with many other effects that tempest players could only dream of let alone FB and even duride / rev.

    See ELE forms and you will get my views.

  • apharma.3741apharma.3741 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Eddbopkins.2630 said:

    @apharma.3741 said:

    @Eddbopkins.2630 said:

    @apharma.3741 said:

    @Jski.6180 said:

    @apharma.3741 said:
    Better idea:

    Rework FB and actually address the power creep which is causing so many players to complain damage (and everything else for that matter) is too high.

    Suddenly nothing needs to be changed because tempest is the 2nd best support bar non and the TTK is at a point that doesn't render overloads useless and too long to use.

    You got to rework scraper/eng, duride, and even rev if you want to deal with support power creep to make tempest on part with the other classes of support.

    Its just not going to happen the blacklash would be too much for anet better to ask for more buffs on the classes who lack every thing.

    Well for a start ele doesn't lack everything, you either have no clue about the game or being deliberately misleading if you're saying that as ele has self and allied heals, cleanses, combos and combo fields as well as a whole host of boons it can give to itself and allies on top of a monopoly on auras almost.

    Secondly ele is the 2nd best support in PvP bar non. In the HoT 2v2 tournament Rom hosted tempest + reaper duo won hands down and tempest was by far the best option for support because of the auras it brings ontop of the boons and sustain and that was before it was buffed.

    Saying "It's not going to happen" and "the backlash would be too big" is basically a cowardly statement and an excuse to continue doing the wrong thing when you not only know it's wrong but also know what the right thing to do is. It is a terrible thing because you're lying to yourself and everyone here. Do better please.

    I dont think youve play ele in any meaningful competitive pvp setting.

    Try using facts rather than trying to attack my character.

    Here's the wiki on conditions and further down it shows cleanses, notice how many traits ele has that cleanse from allies as well as themselves.
    https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Condition

    Here's another list of healing, notice the wealth of skills ele has on weapons and it more than matches in traits
    https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Healing

    Let's have a look at metabattle shall we?
    https://metabattle.com/wiki/Conquest

    Now what is the best support? Yeah Firebrand, what's the next best? Yeah it's Tempest all the way down there in "Good" section, nothing else is even there for support. Remember scrapper is a bunker, it barely supports.

    Now let's look at WvW?
    https://metabattle.com/wiki/WvW

    Oh look D/F auramancer is right there under great and it isn't rejected from any open squad in WvW. Sure it's not GvG meta entirely (though it has been used) but that is not going to affect 99.9% of the population.

    So please do tell me how ele is a class that "lacks everything" especially as many top players are keeping an eye on it especially in PvP.

    You say all this but in actualy combat it doesnt hold up. It gets slapped around and melted in the wake of necro cc and condi bomb, reaper shroud, tele bombs from gaurds and revs, kills it self against condi mesmers and confusion.

    i wouldnt say im a terrible player but when he quality of the enemy isnt all that great it shines pretty good. But in the top leagues it just dies to a sneeze.
    https://plays.tv/video/5cef59da2d33cce49f/guild-wars-2-pvp-tempest?from=user
    https://plays.tv/video/5ceba4de08c9a14f81/guild-wars-2-pvp-fa-ele-waver-collisium-very-faulty-gameplay?from=user

    Sword weaver holds up fine in 1v1s only dying to a +1 (how all 1v1 classes should be btw) and yeah support tempest gets focused hard and is a lot easier to kill than it used to be however it's a symptom of power creep which I specifically said needs addressing instead of buffing ele.

    Do you agree that toning down the damage and power creep that the game has seen would solve a lot of these issue?
    Do you agree that the power creep needs turning back?

    Oh and here's a poll I did in the PvP section with nearly 350 votes: https://en-forum.guildwars2.com/discussion/63078/is-damage-too-high/p1
    If you firmly believe that the power creep is too much stick to your guns and stop asking for buffs, it doesn't matter if your class isn't as good as it once was, stop asking as it only feeds into a cycle of power creep.

    @Jski.6180
    Scrapper is flat out a worse support than tempest for PvP, it's healing isn't great and it's allied damage mitigation isn't as good as ele. It's a good bunker (a dumb one) but that's about it and even then an ele can easily stalemate it.

    Your original statement was that ele lacked everything, this was false and now you're moving the goalposts. Fact is tempest is the 2nd best support for PvP after Firebrand and in WvW 2nd best cleanse bot, 3rd best support in total where many classes simply do not get a look in at all.

  • Eddbopkins.2630Eddbopkins.2630 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited May 31, 2019

    @apharma.3741 said:

    @Eddbopkins.2630 said:

    @apharma.3741 said:

    @Eddbopkins.2630 said:

    @apharma.3741 said:

    @Jski.6180 said:

    @apharma.3741 said:
    Better idea:

    Rework FB and actually address the power creep which is causing so many players to complain damage (and everything else for that matter) is too high.

    Suddenly nothing needs to be changed because tempest is the 2nd best support bar non and the TTK is at a point that doesn't render overloads useless and too long to use.

    You got to rework scraper/eng, duride, and even rev if you want to deal with support power creep to make tempest on part with the other classes of support.

    Its just not going to happen the blacklash would be too much for anet better to ask for more buffs on the classes who lack every thing.

    Well for a start ele doesn't lack everything, you either have no clue about the game or being deliberately misleading if you're saying that as ele has self and allied heals, cleanses, combos and combo fields as well as a whole host of boons it can give to itself and allies on top of a monopoly on auras almost.

    Secondly ele is the 2nd best support in PvP bar non. In the HoT 2v2 tournament Rom hosted tempest + reaper duo won hands down and tempest was by far the best option for support because of the auras it brings ontop of the boons and sustain and that was before it was buffed.

    Saying "It's not going to happen" and "the backlash would be too big" is basically a cowardly statement and an excuse to continue doing the wrong thing when you not only know it's wrong but also know what the right thing to do is. It is a terrible thing because you're lying to yourself and everyone here. Do better please.

    I dont think youve play ele in any meaningful competitive pvp setting.

    Try using facts rather than trying to attack my character.

    Here's the wiki on conditions and further down it shows cleanses, notice how many traits ele has that cleanse from allies as well as themselves.
    https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Condition

    Here's another list of healing, notice the wealth of skills ele has on weapons and it more than matches in traits
    https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Healing

    Let's have a look at metabattle shall we?
    https://metabattle.com/wiki/Conquest

    Now what is the best support? Yeah Firebrand, what's the next best? Yeah it's Tempest all the way down there in "Good" section, nothing else is even there for support. Remember scrapper is a bunker, it barely supports.

    Now let's look at WvW?
    https://metabattle.com/wiki/WvW

    Oh look D/F auramancer is right there under great and it isn't rejected from any open squad in WvW. Sure it's not GvG meta entirely (though it has been used) but that is not going to affect 99.9% of the population.

    So please do tell me how ele is a class that "lacks everything" especially as many top players are keeping an eye on it especially in PvP.

    You say all this but in actualy combat it doesnt hold up. It gets slapped around and melted in the wake of necro cc and condi bomb, reaper shroud, tele bombs from gaurds and revs, kills it self against condi mesmers and confusion.

    i wouldnt say im a terrible player but when he quality of the enemy isnt all that great it shines pretty good. But in the top leagues it just dies to a sneeze.
    https://plays.tv/video/5cef59da2d33cce49f/guild-wars-2-pvp-tempest?from=user
    https://plays.tv/video/5ceba4de08c9a14f81/guild-wars-2-pvp-fa-ele-waver-collisium-very-faulty-gameplay?from=user

    Sword weaver holds up fine in 1v1s only dying to a +1 (how all 1v1 classes should be btw) and yeah support tempest gets focused hard and is a lot easier to kill than it used to be however it's a symptom of power creep which I specifically said needs addressing instead of buffing ele.

    Do you agree that toning down the damage and power creep that the game has seen would solve a lot of these issue?
    Do you agree that the power creep needs turning back?

    Oh and here's a poll I did in the PvP section with nearly 350 votes: https://en-forum.guildwars2.com/discussion/63078/is-damage-too-high/p1
    If you firmly believe that the power creep is too much stick to your guns and stop asking for buffs, it doesn't matter if your class isn't as good as it once was, stop asking as it only feeds into a cycle of power creep.

    @Jski.6180
    Scrapper is flat out a worse support than tempest for PvP, it's healing isn't great and it's allied damage mitigation isn't as good as ele. It's a good bunker (a dumb one) but that's about it and even then an ele can easily stalemate it.

    Your original statement was that ele lacked everything, this was false and now you're moving the goalposts. Fact is tempest is the 2nd best support for PvP after Firebrand and in WvW 2nd best cleanse bot, 3rd best support in total where many classes simply do not get a look in at all.

    If youve been playing this game since start you will know that the devs will never nerf anything yet alone everything just to be on par with other classes. To the devs its power creep, nerf said single class, or do nothing. There never was a meaning full mass classes nerf.
    Asking for alittle rework to a single skill that might power creep one class is alot more reasonable to the devs then mass nerf.

  • apharma.3741apharma.3741 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Eddbopkins.2630 said:

    @apharma.3741 said:

    @Eddbopkins.2630 said:

    @apharma.3741 said:

    @Eddbopkins.2630 said:

    @apharma.3741 said:

    @Jski.6180 said:

    @apharma.3741 said:
    Better idea:

    Rework FB and actually address the power creep which is causing so many players to complain damage (and everything else for that matter) is too high.

    Suddenly nothing needs to be changed because tempest is the 2nd best support bar non and the TTK is at a point that doesn't render overloads useless and too long to use.

    You got to rework scraper/eng, duride, and even rev if you want to deal with support power creep to make tempest on part with the other classes of support.

    Its just not going to happen the blacklash would be too much for anet better to ask for more buffs on the classes who lack every thing.

    Well for a start ele doesn't lack everything, you either have no clue about the game or being deliberately misleading if you're saying that as ele has self and allied heals, cleanses, combos and combo fields as well as a whole host of boons it can give to itself and allies on top of a monopoly on auras almost.

    Secondly ele is the 2nd best support in PvP bar non. In the HoT 2v2 tournament Rom hosted tempest + reaper duo won hands down and tempest was by far the best option for support because of the auras it brings ontop of the boons and sustain and that was before it was buffed.

    Saying "It's not going to happen" and "the backlash would be too big" is basically a cowardly statement and an excuse to continue doing the wrong thing when you not only know it's wrong but also know what the right thing to do is. It is a terrible thing because you're lying to yourself and everyone here. Do better please.

    I dont think youve play ele in any meaningful competitive pvp setting.

    Try using facts rather than trying to attack my character.

    Here's the wiki on conditions and further down it shows cleanses, notice how many traits ele has that cleanse from allies as well as themselves.
    https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Condition

    Here's another list of healing, notice the wealth of skills ele has on weapons and it more than matches in traits
    https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Healing

    Let's have a look at metabattle shall we?
    https://metabattle.com/wiki/Conquest

    Now what is the best support? Yeah Firebrand, what's the next best? Yeah it's Tempest all the way down there in "Good" section, nothing else is even there for support. Remember scrapper is a bunker, it barely supports.

    Now let's look at WvW?
    https://metabattle.com/wiki/WvW

    Oh look D/F auramancer is right there under great and it isn't rejected from any open squad in WvW. Sure it's not GvG meta entirely (though it has been used) but that is not going to affect 99.9% of the population.

    So please do tell me how ele is a class that "lacks everything" especially as many top players are keeping an eye on it especially in PvP.

    You say all this but in actualy combat it doesnt hold up. It gets slapped around and melted in the wake of necro cc and condi bomb, reaper shroud, tele bombs from gaurds and revs, kills it self against condi mesmers and confusion.

    i wouldnt say im a terrible player but when he quality of the enemy isnt all that great it shines pretty good. But in the top leagues it just dies to a sneeze.
    https://plays.tv/video/5cef59da2d33cce49f/guild-wars-2-pvp-tempest?from=user
    https://plays.tv/video/5ceba4de08c9a14f81/guild-wars-2-pvp-fa-ele-waver-collisium-very-faulty-gameplay?from=user

    Sword weaver holds up fine in 1v1s only dying to a +1 (how all 1v1 classes should be btw) and yeah support tempest gets focused hard and is a lot easier to kill than it used to be however it's a symptom of power creep which I specifically said needs addressing instead of buffing ele.

    Do you agree that toning down the damage and power creep that the game has seen would solve a lot of these issue?
    Do you agree that the power creep needs turning back?

    Oh and here's a poll I did in the PvP section with nearly 350 votes: https://en-forum.guildwars2.com/discussion/63078/is-damage-too-high/p1
    If you firmly believe that the power creep is too much stick to your guns and stop asking for buffs, it doesn't matter if your class isn't as good as it once was, stop asking as it only feeds into a cycle of power creep.

    @Jski.6180
    Scrapper is flat out a worse support than tempest for PvP, it's healing isn't great and it's allied damage mitigation isn't as good as ele. It's a good bunker (a dumb one) but that's about it and even then an ele can easily stalemate it.

    Your original statement was that ele lacked everything, this was false and now you're moving the goalposts. Fact is tempest is the 2nd best support for PvP after Firebrand and in WvW 2nd best cleanse bot, 3rd best support in total where many classes simply do not get a look in at all.

    If youve been playing this game since start you will know that the devs will never nerf anything yet alone everything just to be on par with other classes. To the devs its power creep, nerf said single class, or do nothing. There never was a meaning full mass classes nerf.
    Asking for alittle rework to a single skill that might power creep one class is alot more reasonable to the devs then mass nerf.

    You must have missed the patches about 6 months before PoF where they actually did nerf almost everything down to a more tolerable level.

    If you think nerfing classes and addressing powercreep is the right call YOU SHOULD BE SAYING SO.

    Stop being a coward and shying away from the right thing. Tell ANet you want nerfs across all classes and you don't want this current power crept mess. It's really not a hard concept to grasp.

    This cop out of "power creeping one class" to make it better is exactly why we have alchemy and inventions lines on engineer being so ridiculous. It's why thief auto attacks were so stupid because ANet buffed them in an effort to "bring them up". It's why people are leaving in droves, have you not seen the abysmal state of the PvP population?

    We have rank 1 NA being owned by a self confessed PvE achievement hunter who said their reaction time was below average, they have difficulty dodging anything below a 1s cast and could never get out of silver without help.

  • Jski.6180Jski.6180 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @apharma.3741 said:

    @Eddbopkins.2630 said:

    @apharma.3741 said:

    @Eddbopkins.2630 said:

    @apharma.3741 said:

    @Jski.6180 said:

    @apharma.3741 said:
    Better idea:

    Rework FB and actually address the power creep which is causing so many players to complain damage (and everything else for that matter) is too high.

    Suddenly nothing needs to be changed because tempest is the 2nd best support bar non and the TTK is at a point that doesn't render overloads useless and too long to use.

    You got to rework scraper/eng, duride, and even rev if you want to deal with support power creep to make tempest on part with the other classes of support.

    Its just not going to happen the blacklash would be too much for anet better to ask for more buffs on the classes who lack every thing.

    Well for a start ele doesn't lack everything, you either have no clue about the game or being deliberately misleading if you're saying that as ele has self and allied heals, cleanses, combos and combo fields as well as a whole host of boons it can give to itself and allies on top of a monopoly on auras almost.

    Secondly ele is the 2nd best support in PvP bar non. In the HoT 2v2 tournament Rom hosted tempest + reaper duo won hands down and tempest was by far the best option for support because of the auras it brings ontop of the boons and sustain and that was before it was buffed.

    Saying "It's not going to happen" and "the backlash would be too big" is basically a cowardly statement and an excuse to continue doing the wrong thing when you not only know it's wrong but also know what the right thing to do is. It is a terrible thing because you're lying to yourself and everyone here. Do better please.

    I dont think youve play ele in any meaningful competitive pvp setting.

    Try using facts rather than trying to attack my character.

    Here's the wiki on conditions and further down it shows cleanses, notice how many traits ele has that cleanse from allies as well as themselves.
    https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Condition

    Here's another list of healing, notice the wealth of skills ele has on weapons and it more than matches in traits
    https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Healing

    Let's have a look at metabattle shall we?
    https://metabattle.com/wiki/Conquest

    Now what is the best support? Yeah Firebrand, what's the next best? Yeah it's Tempest all the way down there in "Good" section, nothing else is even there for support. Remember scrapper is a bunker, it barely supports.

    Now let's look at WvW?
    https://metabattle.com/wiki/WvW

    Oh look D/F auramancer is right there under great and it isn't rejected from any open squad in WvW. Sure it's not GvG meta entirely (though it has been used) but that is not going to affect 99.9% of the population.

    So please do tell me how ele is a class that "lacks everything" especially as many top players are keeping an eye on it especially in PvP.

    You say all this but in actualy combat it doesnt hold up. It gets slapped around and melted in the wake of necro cc and condi bomb, reaper shroud, tele bombs from gaurds and revs, kills it self against condi mesmers and confusion.

    i wouldnt say im a terrible player but when he quality of the enemy isnt all that great it shines pretty good. But in the top leagues it just dies to a sneeze.
    https://plays.tv/video/5cef59da2d33cce49f/guild-wars-2-pvp-tempest?from=user
    https://plays.tv/video/5ceba4de08c9a14f81/guild-wars-2-pvp-fa-ele-waver-collisium-very-faulty-gameplay?from=user

    Sword weaver holds up fine in 1v1s only dying to a +1 (how all 1v1 classes should be btw) and yeah support tempest gets focused hard and is a lot easier to kill than it used to be however it's a symptom of power creep which I specifically said needs addressing instead of buffing ele.

    Do you agree that toning down the damage and power creep that the game has seen would solve a lot of these issue?
    Do you agree that the power creep needs turning back?

    Oh and here's a poll I did in the PvP section with nearly 350 votes: https://en-forum.guildwars2.com/discussion/63078/is-damage-too-high/p1
    If you firmly believe that the power creep is too much stick to your guns and stop asking for buffs, it doesn't matter if your class isn't as good as it once was, stop asking as it only feeds into a cycle of power creep.

    @Jski.6180
    Scrapper is flat out a worse support than tempest for PvP, it's healing isn't great and it's allied damage mitigation isn't as good as ele. It's a good bunker (a dumb one) but that's about it and even then an ele can easily stalemate it.

    Your original statement was that ele lacked everything, this was false and now you're moving the goalposts. Fact is tempest is the 2nd best support for PvP after Firebrand and in WvW 2nd best cleanse bot, 3rd best support in total where many classes simply do not get a look in at all.

    Your putting way too much faith in a game type that is all but dead for balancing and add on that has become a zombly mood spvp.

    The game IS balanced for 5 vs 5 or 5 targets or your have skills that do not normally give aoe presser start to give aoe presser (2 target skills). In a 5 vs 5 environment scraper is way better then tempest for support.

    See ELE forms and you will get my views.

  • Eddbopkins.2630Eddbopkins.2630 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @apharma.3741 said:

    @Eddbopkins.2630 said:

    @apharma.3741 said:

    @Eddbopkins.2630 said:

    @apharma.3741 said:

    @Eddbopkins.2630 said:

    @apharma.3741 said:

    @Jski.6180 said:

    @apharma.3741 said:
    Better idea:

    Rework FB and actually address the power creep which is causing so many players to complain damage (and everything else for that matter) is too high.

    Suddenly nothing needs to be changed because tempest is the 2nd best support bar non and the TTK is at a point that doesn't render overloads useless and too long to use.

    You got to rework scraper/eng, duride, and even rev if you want to deal with support power creep to make tempest on part with the other classes of support.

    Its just not going to happen the blacklash would be too much for anet better to ask for more buffs on the classes who lack every thing.

    Well for a start ele doesn't lack everything, you either have no clue about the game or being deliberately misleading if you're saying that as ele has self and allied heals, cleanses, combos and combo fields as well as a whole host of boons it can give to itself and allies on top of a monopoly on auras almost.

    Secondly ele is the 2nd best support in PvP bar non. In the HoT 2v2 tournament Rom hosted tempest + reaper duo won hands down and tempest was by far the best option for support because of the auras it brings ontop of the boons and sustain and that was before it was buffed.

    Saying "It's not going to happen" and "the backlash would be too big" is basically a cowardly statement and an excuse to continue doing the wrong thing when you not only know it's wrong but also know what the right thing to do is. It is a terrible thing because you're lying to yourself and everyone here. Do better please.

    I dont think youve play ele in any meaningful competitive pvp setting.

    Try using facts rather than trying to attack my character.

    Here's the wiki on conditions and further down it shows cleanses, notice how many traits ele has that cleanse from allies as well as themselves.
    https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Condition

    Here's another list of healing, notice the wealth of skills ele has on weapons and it more than matches in traits
    https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Healing

    Let's have a look at metabattle shall we?
    https://metabattle.com/wiki/Conquest

    Now what is the best support? Yeah Firebrand, what's the next best? Yeah it's Tempest all the way down there in "Good" section, nothing else is even there for support. Remember scrapper is a bunker, it barely supports.

    Now let's look at WvW?
    https://metabattle.com/wiki/WvW

    Oh look D/F auramancer is right there under great and it isn't rejected from any open squad in WvW. Sure it's not GvG meta entirely (though it has been used) but that is not going to affect 99.9% of the population.

    So please do tell me how ele is a class that "lacks everything" especially as many top players are keeping an eye on it especially in PvP.

    You say all this but in actualy combat it doesnt hold up. It gets slapped around and melted in the wake of necro cc and condi bomb, reaper shroud, tele bombs from gaurds and revs, kills it self against condi mesmers and confusion.

    i wouldnt say im a terrible player but when he quality of the enemy isnt all that great it shines pretty good. But in the top leagues it just dies to a sneeze.
    https://plays.tv/video/5cef59da2d33cce49f/guild-wars-2-pvp-tempest?from=user
    https://plays.tv/video/5ceba4de08c9a14f81/guild-wars-2-pvp-fa-ele-waver-collisium-very-faulty-gameplay?from=user

    Sword weaver holds up fine in 1v1s only dying to a +1 (how all 1v1 classes should be btw) and yeah support tempest gets focused hard and is a lot easier to kill than it used to be however it's a symptom of power creep which I specifically said needs addressing instead of buffing ele.

    Do you agree that toning down the damage and power creep that the game has seen would solve a lot of these issue?
    Do you agree that the power creep needs turning back?

    Oh and here's a poll I did in the PvP section with nearly 350 votes: https://en-forum.guildwars2.com/discussion/63078/is-damage-too-high/p1
    If you firmly believe that the power creep is too much stick to your guns and stop asking for buffs, it doesn't matter if your class isn't as good as it once was, stop asking as it only feeds into a cycle of power creep.

    @Jski.6180
    Scrapper is flat out a worse support than tempest for PvP, it's healing isn't great and it's allied damage mitigation isn't as good as ele. It's a good bunker (a dumb one) but that's about it and even then an ele can easily stalemate it.

    Your original statement was that ele lacked everything, this was false and now you're moving the goalposts. Fact is tempest is the 2nd best support for PvP after Firebrand and in WvW 2nd best cleanse bot, 3rd best support in total where many classes simply do not get a look in at all.

    If youve been playing this game since start you will know that the devs will never nerf anything yet alone everything just to be on par with other classes. To the devs its power creep, nerf said single class, or do nothing. There never was a meaning full mass classes nerf.
    Asking for alittle rework to a single skill that might power creep one class is alot more reasonable to the devs then mass nerf.

    You must have missed the patches about 6 months before PoF where they actually did nerf almost everything down to a more tolerable level.

    If you think nerfing classes and addressing powercreep is the right call YOU SHOULD BE SAYING SO.

    Stop being a coward and shying away from the right thing. Tell ANet you want nerfs across all classes and you don't want this current power crept mess. It's really not a hard concept to grasp.

    This cop out of "power creeping one class" to make it better is exactly why we have alchemy and inventions lines on engineer being so ridiculous. It's why thief auto attacks were so stupid because ANet buffed them in an effort to "bring them up". It's why people are leaving in droves, have you not seen the abysmal state of the PvP population?

    We have rank 1 NA being owned by a self confessed PvE achievement hunter who said their reaction time was below average, they have difficulty dodging anything below a 1s cast and could never get out of silver without help.

    Iv wanted and asked so many times for pvp development to happen...not just class balance but new game modes as well. Its been seven years and in all truth were still at the same spot in pvp development since day 1 with only one game mode. I pick my fights now based off of anets actions. Not dreams of what i wished gw2 should have been witch was equal or great pvp oppertunities then its predicsessor gw1.