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Botting problem

praqtos.9035praqtos.9035 Member ✭✭✭✭

I think thats pretty terrible that ArenaNet unable to find bots under their own nose.
On EU region at at PvP Lobby Waypoint you can find silver-bronze-gold bots that stack on the WP, spamming attunments if its an ele,using facets if its a rev, others just seems to standing still when idle.
You add them and you see 600-1200 games. You go sleep,you wake up and what you see? same bots spamming games still there Q'ing . Spent a lot of time observing this BS and I'm shocked that Anet still struggle to find "who is the bot?" who doesnt sleep at day or night?
They lose their own money since gold they farm will be sold for real money. How much they dont care about the game is...surprising....

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  • Tayga.3192Tayga.3192 Member ✭✭✭

    I hope they will address this ASAP, I've been seeing bots in ranked (they just run straight into a wall). If this continues, the already low player base of ranked will be even lower.

  • praqtos.9035praqtos.9035 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Tayga.3192 said:
    I hope they will address this ASAP, I've been seeing bots in ranked (they just run straight into a wall). If this continues, the already low player base of ranked will be even lower.

    I know few low rated people and I didnt believe when she was saying this bots all around... But I'v got absolutely shocked when I seen over over 20 people being just there,spamming games...

  • Aeolus.3615Aeolus.3615 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited May 22, 2019

    Bots nowadays are really advanced, and how gw2 works kinda helps the botter, alot of stuff is easy to macro.

    I heard some Bots are using overlays as well.

  • Marxx.5021Marxx.5021 Member ✭✭✭

    Maybe those bots are operated by ArenaNet to speed up queue times. ;)

  • praqtos.9035praqtos.9035 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Marxx.5021 said:
    Maybe those bots are operated by ArenaNet to speed up queue times. ;)

    For 1000 rated people?

  • Marxx.5021Marxx.5021 Member ✭✭✭

    @praqtos.9035 said:

    @Marxx.5021 said:
    Maybe those bots are operated by ArenaNet to speed up queue times. ;)

    For 1000 rated people?

    OK, run by balancing devs :p

  • Stand The Wall.6987Stand The Wall.6987 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Marxx.5021 said:
    Maybe those bots are operated by ArenaNet to speed up queue times. ;)

    anet bots running broken builds... the ultimate slap in the face lol.
    possible but not probable imo.

    Te lazla otstra.
    nerf list

  • Vague Memory.2817Vague Memory.2817 Member ✭✭✭

    I've seen a lot of auto running up against the inside of the base gate recently.

  • praqtos.9035praqtos.9035 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Vague Memory.2817 said:
    I've seen a lot of auto running up against the inside of the base gate recently.

    Trust me, I hear that every day when my friend playing :joy:
    Why shouldnt they deal with a problem ?

  • Edge.8724Edge.8724 Member ✭✭✭

    I am not sure but I seem to see always the same players, always at the same place. They never move, but they always use the same skill automatically (probably to stay online and not get kicked. They "log on" always around the same hours (not sure about their log off.. ). I've seen this both in PvP and PvE.

    Are these bots?

  • praqtos.9035praqtos.9035 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Edge.8724 said:
    I am not sure but I seem to see always the same players, always at the same place. They never move, but they always use the same skill automatically (probably to stay online and not get kicked. They "log on" always around the same hours (not sure about their log off.. ). I've seen this both in PvP and PvE.

    Are these bots?

    If id list names of these I would be banned. Yes,they are bots.

  • megilandil.7506megilandil.7506 Member ✭✭
    edited May 23, 2019

    @crepuscular.9047 said:
    I'm guessing some botters are running outdated programs, the other day i saw 2 on my team just continuously running at the gate at Legacy of the Foefire facepalm
    obviously lost the match (19-500 RIP) because the enemy team dont even both with our gate, so they stuck in there the entire match

    I think one way to screw the botters is put unclimbable walls/gates like Foefire on every map, the tiny porting gate will shift left and right at random... Anet can put some algorithm to flag players with Botter/AFKer that hangs out within the wall after x minutes for review

    i think also that would be a good bot detector for pvp, randomized obstacles that flag people traped by for further revision

    this, and ofcourse, revise the accounts with an insane number of match per season

  • bOTEB.1573bOTEB.1573 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Or add captcha like minigame before the match starts ;)

    Wishlist:
    Everything that kills me should be nerfed
    Remove all time gates - I play more than some people yet I receive the same rewards per day/week (PvP/WvW tickets etc)
    ANET developments/events and everything else should be in a schedule with the time I play

  • Stand The Wall.6987Stand The Wall.6987 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @saerni.2584 said:
    snips

    sounds good to me, except bots should be banned immediately and permanently.

    Te lazla otstra.
    nerf list

  • praqtos.9035praqtos.9035 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @bOTEB.1573 said:
    Or add captcha like minigame before the match starts ;)

    To enter the Q

  • crepuscular.9047crepuscular.9047 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited May 29, 2019

    @bOTEB.1573 said:
    Or add captcha like minigame before the match starts ;)

    hell no... i like my 2-4min toilet break after hitting the accept to join a match :bawling:

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  • praqtos.9035praqtos.9035 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited May 29, 2019

    @crepuscular.9047 said:

    @bOTEB.1573 said:
    Or add captcha like minigame before the match starts ;)

    hell no... i like my 2-4min toilet break after hitting the accept to join a match :bawling:

    Dw, they said they dont care, literally. How do I close or delete the thread?

  • Aeolus.3615Aeolus.3615 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited May 29, 2019

    I have seen more macroers with packet injection (way more in wvw) than pvp, those that use macros on pvp won’t abuse that much of packet editing.

    Bots i would no worry much.

    If devs don’t care about players doing packet editing ...don’t rly expect them to work on game security..

    Just look how some overlays can be used to hack the game, even Anet won’t care about such stuff.

  • Mbelch.9028Mbelch.9028 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Where did they say they don't care? Links pls.

  • Ziggityzog.7389Ziggityzog.7389 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Well with the hundreds of reports for a single botter but yet no action for at least 5 seasons with the same botter playing 3,000+ games. Just one of many.

    Safe to say they dont care what so ever.

  • Was just thinking about making similar post to this one...

    Have been playing this game since start and had 3.5 years break before coming back last year, but think PvP have never been worse than it is now...
    It is so hard for me to end up in a match (especially unranked) which is not 4v5 or with at least 1-2 bots in both teams...
    (If someone wants to comment why do you even play unranked - I do it to try new builds, learn how other professions work, their metas, their animations and the rest)

    PvP has been one of the most fun parts of the game since WvW is mostly dead or just blobfest so it needs less and less tactics or skills to play while PvE is very boring to me personally and never really liked it (only do some fractals if playing PvE), but lately is unplayable unfortunately...

  • Bloodstealer.5978Bloodstealer.5978 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @banJelacic.4201 said:

    @Stephane Lo Presti.7258 said:
    Hi,

    I’d like to reply to some of the topics that played addressed in this thread, similarly to what we said in the past here.

    Players’ report of potential cheating (referenced as botting in the report tool) are always investigated by the Customer Support Team, whether done via the in-game report tool or an email to [email protected] (only JPG files can be attached, use a YouTube link for video content). If the account is found breaking our policies, actions are taken. We do not communicate about the actions taken and you cannot always see its effects. It’s also worth taking into account the fact that these investigations take time and are not always conclusive based on the valid evidence that we have.

    Note that not all players are interested in chatting in-game so their silence may not be evidence of anything. Our GMs check various aspects of the reported accounts to figure out who’s cheating and they do take actions regularly. I’d also like to remind everyone that you’re not allowed to name on the Guild Wars 2 forums a player that you suspect is cheating, or accuse the Customer Support Team to not investigate these reports.

    Thanks for your understanding and for helping us catch cheaters.

    Thank you very much for doing so!
    And if I may give you some suggestion that could help you a lot with catching other cheaters:
    I understand why you might not do that, but think it would be useful for player to get some kind of notice when you ban someone they reported.
    You dont have to name a person that has been banned, but getting some kind of in-game mail on monthly or weekly based saying
    "Thanks to your reports we want you to know that we have removed X number of player from a game that have been marked as cheaters.
    Thank you very much for contributing to GW2 community!"
    (Definitely do not make it achievement based or giving any reward, but only a notice)

    It is very rare that I end up with same people in random queue, so not sure if I have ever ended up in matches with same bot or cheat twice or so, so getting some mail like that would just give everyone a confirmation that reporting someone in game that is not obeying a rules is actually meaningful and would give us hope that it really will get better on this topic.
    Since have heard many others thinking that reporting someone in game is kind of pointless and many (sometimes including myself as well) do not report someone because of "like that would make any effect" mentality and getting notice like that would really show many that reporting someone in game can really make a difference and you (as Anet) will get more recognition and praises for banning cheaters in game.

    Think even if you posted like a monthly report here on forum or somewhere with saying "We have banned XY players that have been considered a cheaters and YX players due to bad behaviour" would make us realized that Anet really is doing as much as they can to make GW2 community as cheatless as possible.

    Why would they even bother to give a report out on this.
    Sure I want all cheats banned and rid of, but short of bringing back the good ole Impending Dhuum into GW2 I would think your suggestion will fall on deaf ears.
    To be honest, ANET could post out any arbitrary number and it would be meaningless to you and I , just like the annual ban wave number is, because those players that do become snared are soon back in game anyway and looking for ways to reoffend.. you only have to take a look at the well known hack sites to see how many cheats are being offered out to players and then again to players that have been caught, prompting the hacks to be modified to combat detection. Simply put it is a game of cat and mouse, but it unfortunately only works if the cat is prepared to keep playing the game and tries to stay one step ahead.
    AFK farming is a scourge of the game, but there are worse things .. throwing a net out once a year is neither a block or a deterrent imo, so hearing of one player being snagged in a location that's been a well reported issue for many, many months.. I won't be getting too exited if I'm honest.

    Life is what YOU make it... NOT what others tell you!

  • Aeolus.3615Aeolus.3615 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Some bots usually log off if receives pm’s.

  • praqtos.9035praqtos.9035 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Aeolus.3615 said:
    Some bots usually log off if receives pm’s.

    They are running in offline mode 99% of times, everyone who I checked were offline,nearly everyone.

  • Aeolus.3615Aeolus.3615 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @praqtos.9035 said:

    @Aeolus.3615 said:
    Some bots usually log off if receives pm’s.

    They are running in offline mode 99% of times, everyone who I checked were offline

    what if Anet remove offline?? Xd

  • praqtos.9035praqtos.9035 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited June 4, 2019

    @Aeolus.3615 said:

    @praqtos.9035 said:

    @Aeolus.3615 said:
    Some bots usually log off if receives pm’s.

    They are running in offline mode 99% of times, everyone who I checked were offline

    what if Anet remove offline?? Xd

    Chances anet will do anything useful is... not high... NA top1 still occupied by a guy who bought it with real money? Noodic guy made a video about it even and guy who sells top places at NA xD
    What if they dont do anything...?Thats probably a right guess

  • Mbelch.9028Mbelch.9028 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @praqtos.9035 said:

    @Aeolus.3615 said:

    @praqtos.9035 said:

    @Aeolus.3615 said:
    Some bots usually log off if receives pm’s.

    They are running in offline mode 99% of times, everyone who I checked were offline

    what if Anet remove offline?? Xd

    Chances anet will do anything useful is... not high... NA top1 still occupied by a guy who bought it with real money? Noodic guy made a video about it even and guy who sells top places at NA xD
    What if they dont do anything...?Thats probably a right guess

    Your evidence for the No. 1 spot being a real money transaction is? Forum hearsay is bad, but just randomly spouting that kind of accusation is worse.

  • otto.5684otto.5684 Member ✭✭✭✭

    About 99.99% of the time someone thinks someone else is cheating, they just did not understand what was going on. I have been playing GW2 for years and another MMO before that, and I have not seen someone cheat before. That does not mean it does not happen.

  • praqtos.9035praqtos.9035 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Mbelch.9028 said:

    @praqtos.9035 said:

    @Aeolus.3615 said:

    @praqtos.9035 said:

    @Aeolus.3615 said:
    Some bots usually log off if receives pm’s.

    They are running in offline mode 99% of times, everyone who I checked were offline

    what if Anet remove offline?? Xd

    Chances anet will do anything useful is... not high... NA top1 still occupied by a guy who bought it with real money? Noodic guy made a video about it even and guy who sells top places at NA xD
    What if they dont do anything...?Thats probably a right guess

    Your evidence for the No. 1 spot being a real money transaction is? Forum hearsay is bad, but just randomly spouting that kind of accusation is worse.

    Probably he just kindly asked "hey guys,make me a god pvp because I'm a nice guy" and they did :joy: . Silver3-gold1 EU suddenly became TOP1 of NA among monsters like TEAM USA.... Ha-ha.
    Watch Noody channel for video part2 ?

  • Mbelch.9028Mbelch.9028 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @praqtos.9035 said:

    @Mbelch.9028 said:

    @praqtos.9035 said:

    @Aeolus.3615 said:

    @praqtos.9035 said:

    @Aeolus.3615 said:
    Some bots usually log off if receives pm’s.

    They are running in offline mode 99% of times, everyone who I checked were offline

    what if Anet remove offline?? Xd

    Chances anet will do anything useful is... not high... NA top1 still occupied by a guy who bought it with real money? Noodic guy made a video about it even and guy who sells top places at NA xD
    What if they dont do anything...?Thats probably a right guess

    Your evidence for the No. 1 spot being a real money transaction is? Forum hearsay is bad, but just randomly spouting that kind of accusation is worse.

    Probably he just kindly asked "hey guys,make me a god pvp because I'm a nice guy" and they did :joy: . Silver3-gold1 EU suddenly became TOP1 of NA among monsters like TEAM USA.... Ha-ha.
    Watch Noody channel for video part2 ?

    I watched it... That happened in 2017, and all parties involved were punished. It's a well-known thing that happened years ago and has since become a meme. That didn't happen this year.

  • lightstalker.1498lightstalker.1498 Member ✭✭
    edited June 5, 2019

    @Mbelch.9028 said:

    @praqtos.9035 said:

    @Mbelch.9028 said:

    @praqtos.9035 said:

    @Aeolus.3615 said:

    @praqtos.9035 said:

    @Aeolus.3615 said:
    Some bots usually log off if receives pm’s.

    They are running in offline mode 99% of times, everyone who I checked were offline

    what if Anet remove offline?? Xd

    Chances anet will do anything useful is... not high... NA top1 still occupied by a guy who bought it with real money? Noodic guy made a video about it even and guy who sells top places at NA xD
    What if they dont do anything...?Thats probably a right guess

    Your evidence for the No. 1 spot being a real money transaction is? Forum hearsay is bad, but just randomly spouting that kind of accusation is worse.

    Probably he just kindly asked "hey guys,make me a god pvp because I'm a nice guy" and they did :joy: . Silver3-gold1 EU suddenly became TOP1 of NA among monsters like TEAM USA.... Ha-ha.
    Watch Noody channel for video part2 ?

    I watched it... That happened in 2017, and all parties involved were punished. It's a well-known thing that happened years ago and has since become a meme. That didn't happen this year.

    https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/members/Malediktus-9250/showposts
    post 7
    post 17
    nice growth in talent if not suspect
    gw001.png

  • praqtos.9035praqtos.9035 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited June 5, 2019

    @lightstalker.1498 said:

    @Mbelch.9028 said:

    @praqtos.9035 said:

    @Mbelch.9028 said:

    @praqtos.9035 said:

    @Aeolus.3615 said:

    @praqtos.9035 said:

    @Aeolus.3615 said:
    Some bots usually log off if receives pm’s.

    They are running in offline mode 99% of times, everyone who I checked were offline

    what if Anet remove offline?? Xd

    Chances anet will do anything useful is... not high... NA top1 still occupied by a guy who bought it with real money? Noodic guy made a video about it even and guy who sells top places at NA xD
    What if they dont do anything...?Thats probably a right guess

    Your evidence for the No. 1 spot being a real money transaction is? Forum hearsay is bad, but just randomly spouting that kind of accusation is worse.

    Probably he just kindly asked "hey guys,make me a god pvp because I'm a nice guy" and they did :joy: . Silver3-gold1 EU suddenly became TOP1 of NA among monsters like TEAM USA.... Ha-ha.
    Watch Noody channel for video part2 ?

    I watched it... That happened in 2017, and all parties involved were punished. It's a well-known thing that happened years ago and has since become a meme. That didn't happen this year.

    https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/members/Malediktus-9250/showposts
    post 7
    post 17
    nice growth in talent if not suspect
    gw001.png

    I dont understand why he would try to protect obvious fact of wintrade/real money payment. Just because they didnt post a video how certan "NA TEAM" gets paid it doesnt mean it didnt happen. Worst thing that when Ben was quoted the thread got deleted, in like 30 minutes?

  • I see the same ranger parked at Malchor's Leap farming Elder Wood every time. Reported the dab multiple times and she's still there farming Elder Woods.

  • Tekoneiric.6817Tekoneiric.6817 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Aeolus.3615 said:

    @praqtos.9035 said:

    @Aeolus.3615 said:
    Some bots usually log off if receives pm’s.

    They are running in offline mode 99% of times, everyone who I checked were offline

    what if Anet remove offline?? Xd

    Offline is useful for players who don't want to converse or just want to avoid someone else. This feature should not be removed. Just because a player is showing offline doesn't mean they are a bot.

  • crepuscular.9047crepuscular.9047 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Tekoneiric.6817 said:

    @Aeolus.3615 said:

    @praqtos.9035 said:

    @Aeolus.3615 said:
    Some bots usually log off if receives pm’s.

    They are running in offline mode 99% of times, everyone who I checked were offline

    what if Anet remove offline?? Xd

    Offline is useful for players who don't want to converse or just want to avoid someone else. This feature should not be removed. Just because a player is showing offline doesn't mean they are a bot.

    maybe should rename it to DND, that's what it really is, prevent ppl from PM you

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  • Tekoneiric.6817Tekoneiric.6817 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @crepuscular.9047 said:

    maybe should rename it to DND, that's what it really is, prevent ppl from PM you

    I'd rather see them revamp the block, invisible, message and friend system.

    If you block someone specifically they should not be able to friend you, see you on any lists (like guild), their messages to you should just go to the bit bucket without them knowing your status and you should be invisible to each other in the game world. You could be standing beside them and neither of you would know.

    The invisible system should prevent others from seeing you online on friends or guild lists. I would say in the game world but that could create it's own set of issues so you should be visible in the open world just not on lists. Of course this should only apply to PvE. If the player goes to PvP or WvW they shouldn't be invisible to others in those game modes but still invisible to people in PvE.

    PMs shouldn't reflect if you are online or offline no matter your visibility status. There should just be the assumption that if you are offline it goes to your mail.

    The friend system should require approval on both parties to connect you. X friends Y, Y approves then X & Y are friends. If one removes the other then neither player are on either of their friends lists. Basically the way Facebook handles friends and unfriending.

    There are valid reasons why someone would want to unfriend someone or be invisible to friends in the game. Anyway this is probably a topic for another thread...

  • Koen.1327Koen.1327 Member ✭✭✭

    leaderboard again is full of bots that have been queueing since season started, so my guess is nothing is ever gonna happen

  • MissCee.1295MissCee.1295 Member ✭✭

    Like others I was dubious about the botting claims, so I decided to prove/disprove it for myself. Last season I added players with suspicious in-game behaviour to my friend list. Using the inhuman amounts of games played to measure I found at least 6 bots. There may have been more, but 6 I could say with confidence were bots. Each were reported and I will be watching with interest to see if they are still playing this season. Also, like others, I have little faith in Anet taking action despite there repeated echo's of "we investigate".

  • Ziggityzog.7389Ziggityzog.7389 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Dont complain just buy flashy items with your monies.

  • Vague Memory.2817Vague Memory.2817 Member ✭✭✭
    edited June 13, 2019

    What the Op describes is exactly what eles and revs players do. I seriously doubt there is a program that can determine what map is being played at the start and walk/run them to a exactly to the centre of a cap and then start doing unkillable rotations. That level of sophistication is beyond a simple program. I would say that would require A.I. and since the largest companies and militaries on the planet can't even produce A.I. that people wouldn't laugh at, I doubt some basement dweller could.

  • @Vague Memory.2817 said:
    What the Op describes is exactly what eles and revs players do. I seriously doubt there is a program that can determine what map is being played at the start and walk/run them to a exactly to the centre of a cap and then start doing unkillable rotations. That level of sophistication is beyond a simple program. I would say that would require A.I. and since the largest companies and militaries on the planet can't even produce A.I. that people wouldn't laugh at, I doubt some basement dweller could.

    This logic also helps prove botting. Remember when the new changes were made to Eternal Coliseum that added new obstacles? Botters who didn't realize this for some reason still ran the same scripts containing the same pathing, which made them run straight into obstructions the entire match.

  • Ziggityzog.7389Ziggityzog.7389 Member ✭✭✭✭

    I like the idea of randomly generated objects to interface with pathing. I got a laugh when I played a game and got Coliseum. Someone had a outdated path script .

  • I understand Arena Net don't want to provide any information regarding the botting, but this is getting out of hand and im seriously annoyed by it !

    Yestarday and Today, in Ranked que, i get 3 people botting in my team , 3 freaking people !
    They all run the same build, they all run the same path. Since the other team might have gotten ahead of what is going on, the bots would just rush all 3 close point,
    the other team would capture Far and Middle and just sit out our home. They would do this over and over again, the 3 bots would spam the same skills, run together in same small group , do exactly everything together in the same timing, withouth being in a pre-made(incase you though it would be a pre-made duo queing).

    I have seen even revenants bot now ? They do the same thing, spam their auras and wait till the clock for start game hit 0, then they start moving.
    All the bots i saw work that way, Wait for clock to hit 0, start moving towards close or middle. Proceede, with dashing out all your combo wombos, and then survive till the next(not saying some playrs dont play that way), but this people were the same over and over, i keep reporting , keep sending tickets for various reasons.

    How am i supposed to enjoy this, when in Ranked que, i get 3 bots in my game that do stupid patterns and we get obliterated because of that?

    We do not communicate about the actions taken and you cannot always see its effects

    How does that help? We have 0 idea if you guys are doing anything about this? We keep getting bots, idle players and plain leavers, and we all get is,
    that you are investigating each report, but can't tell us about it. At least some heads up, some info? This is super annoying. I love PvP, i might not be the highest ranks or the top player, but i just wish i could have 1 game where there is no Bot, either in my team or my enemy team, a normal nice match..

    Arenanet, please fix this, dont ignore it with just a simple copy-paste from a notepad reply...
    We invets in you, so that we can get quality game, not a copy-paste notepad reply!

  • Zawn.9647Zawn.9647 Member ✭✭✭

    I mean... its ok to not tell like "Zawn was banned thanks to your report" - but you should be more transparent and tell at least that someone got banned... or like a monthly report with something like "10 bots banned, 7 afk banned and 1 leaver banned this past month"

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