*Magister's Pack* Collection requiring Verdant Brink (night) T4 with 100% participation

[Pirindolo.9427]

Getting to VB night meta to T4 is practically impossible these days, because there are no ppl willing (or needing) to do it, unless you are doing this collection. The requirement should be achievable by the small groups that are normally around VB at most.

[Daddicus.6128]

Have you tried the LFG tool?

[Khisanth.2948]

It still happens. I completed one recently. However, your best bet is to check LFG on a day when VB events is one of the dailies.

[Pirindolo.9427]

@"Daddicus.6128" said:Have you tried the LFG tool?What is "LFG"? Maybe another of those stange commands, like "CC" that other playes use to shout everywhere?Come on folk, after 3 years playing with 12 toons, I start my own groups when I need one. I made VB night T4 many times in the past. Go there and try LFG for yourself now.

@Khisanth.2948 said:It still happens. I completed one recently. However, your best bet is to check LFG on a day when VB events is one of the dailies.Events and night meta are completely different things. Besides, the more ppl doing diffferent things in the map, the more difficult to achieve T4 meta.

[Inculpatus cedo.9234]

Perhaps, it will be one of the 'Metas' in a forthcoming 'Meta Rush' event. :)

[Illconceived Was Na.9781]

@Pirindolo.9427 said:Getting to VB night meta to T4 is practically impossible these days,Nope, that's an exaggeration. It's not even all that difficult, in theory anyhow.

The problem is that most people think it works like other metas and try to zerg it; that's a sure-fire way to fail it. Instead, people have to spread out.

The organized maps (which I see regularly) use three squads, each marking the primary defense locations and then assigning subsquads. 2-3 people per defense point and then doing escorts during the down time... and there's always time to spare before night bosses. Unlike most meta events, the commanders have to communicate frequently: explaining before what needs to happen and when, because people need time to absorb. They also have to make sure that people don't zerg, because that just makes things harder.

I've also been on less-organized maps. In that case, experienced people head for the out-of-the-way defense points and post in map chat regularly the locations of the easier-to-reach spots.

When people communicate in /map, I've never seen it fail. When people don't communicate, I've never seen it succeed. T3 at best (although that was when I got my last piece of armor: a lucky drop from T3).

[Ultramex.1506]

@Pirindolo.9427 said:

@"Daddicus.6128" said:Have you tried the LFG tool?What is "LFG"? Maybe another of those stange commands, like "CC" that other playes use to shout everywhere?Come on folk, after 3 years playing with 12 toons, I start my own groups when I need one. I made VB night T4 many times in the past. Go there and try LFG for yourself now.

@Khisanth.2948 said:It still happens. I completed one recently. However, your best bet is to check LFG on a day when VB events is one of the dailies.Events and night meta are completely different things. Besides, the more ppl doing diffferent things in the map, the more difficult to achieve T4 meta.

3 years and you should know there are guilds like EVA; LEET and more that do HoT metas everyday, haven't checked HoT lfg so i don't know if they are still doing it this year but if they are not then they are probably busy with meta rush.

[Pirindolo.9427]

@Ultramex.1506 said:3 years and you should know there are guilds like EVA; LEET and more that do HoT metas everyday, haven't checked HoT lfg so i don't know if they are still doing it this year but if they are not then they are probably busy with meta rush.

Can I ask why (after 3 days, 3 years, or 3 centuries playing) I should now that these guilds even exist?How do you know if I play in euro or american server?

[Danikat.8537]

@Pirindolo.9427 said:

@"Daddicus.6128" said:Have you tried the LFG tool?What is "LFG"? Maybe another of those stange commands, like "CC" that other playes use to shout everywhere?Come on folk, after 3 years playing with 12 toons, I start my own groups when I need one. I made VB night T4 many times in the past. Go there and try LFG for yourself now.

LFG is the Looking For Group tool. It's the second tab on the Contacts and LFG menu and can be used to find organised groups for any activity in the game. Of course it will only show groups who are currently advertising so there's no guarantee there will always be a group for every activity, but it's the best way to find them when they are, rather than hoping you end up on the same copy of the map as an organised group.

Here's how I go about finding an organised map for things like this:1) Go to the Wiki's Event Timers page to check when it's going to start so I can work out when will be a convenient time for me to do it.2) Go to the map about 10-15 minutes before the night cycle is due to begin.3) Open the LFG tool, pick the Verdant Brink page and look for groups advertising that they'll be doing night events/bosses. Also keep an eye on map chat in case the map I'm on is going to be doing it and look out for commander tags.4) Join a group when I find one and join in.

The other option would be to post in Players Helping Players on this forum asking if anyone runs organised maps and if so when (remembering to specify which region you're in, since EU and NA have different guilds running them and different schedules). The advantage of that method is that you don't need to catch a group as they're starting, you can find out in advance when to show up. The disadvantage is that it might be a time which doesn't work for you, and then you're back to using the LFG tool.

[Ultramex.1506]

@Pirindolo.9427 said:

@Ultramex.1506 said:3 years and you should know there are guilds like EVA; LEET and more that do HoT metas everyday, haven't checked HoT lfg so i don't know if they are still doing it this year but if they are not then they are probably busy with meta rush.

Can I ask why (after 3 days, 3 years, or 3 centuries playing) I should now that these guilds even exist?How do you know if I play in euro or american server?

Welp, transfer to NA server then :) just to be sure, i'm actually surprised that EU doesn't even have those type of guild or EVA and LEET isn't in EUEdit: i was able to find out about these guild because when it about time for AB meta, i just checked lfg and saw them, that how i know of them and they meta train

[sitarskee.5738]

In EU it happens pretty often. You have biggest chances during weeks with shiny baubles as event rewards and when ther is a daily. Setting up a lfg could help you out even quicker. Tag up and people will start following you.

[Excursion.9752]

I felt the same way once. Then I took the initiative and figured out how to command it all by myself. Go check out EVA guilds VB strategy page: https://evaguild.com/vb/I did it a tad bit differently than what is posted but you can make your own way once you understand it.

1)Posted in LFG "Going for T4 Meta" - Do this at least 30 to 45 min before it starts.2)Then in squad message assigned each sub to a waypoint on the map.3)As people joined I assigned them a sub and told them to take care of the 4 camps around their designated area and to not overcrowd because it will cause scale up.4)When the night bosses spawn make sure to spread out. I would Say Even number subs go here and link a waypoint and then Odds go here and link a different waypoint. As long as two or more are going down at the same time you should be fine.

Some things to consider. Make sure the map you are on is not a HP train map. Advertise to the map what you are doing you will get help from people that are not in your squad so its nice to let them know what they can do to help. Don't be a quiet commander talk to the people in your squad let them know it will not be easy but it can be done if everyone does their job.

Good Luck

[Khisanth.2948]

@Pirindolo.9427 said:

@Khisanth.2948 said:It still happens. I completed one recently. However, your best bet is to check LFG on a day when VB events is one of the dailies.Events and night meta are completely different things. Besides, the more ppl doing diffferent things in the map, the more difficult to achieve T4 meta.

They are different but those are also the most common times when people set up groups to do it.

The minimum number of people required is also not particularly large. 5 areas with 3 rally points is only 15 people. -1 person because Uprooted Paradise rally point can DIAF. -_-

That is less people than AB where you would probably want 5 per side. Also less than TD where you would want 15 at nuhoch and at least 5 for the others. DS also requires 15 just to start.

As for the canopy bosses, only 4 needs to be killed if the rally points were well defended. Mat is covered by the campers, pat can be easily solo'ed, axemaster can be done by 2-3 people, 5 can handle the frogs with no problem. That leaves 5 for tetrad or just wait for the axe and frogs group.

On the other hand the meta rewards really isn't worth 30-40 minutes of effort.

[Ayrilana.1396]

The camp defenses can more or less all be done solo so you shouldn’t need to worry about having a full map for it.

The trick is to leave a mob alive from the wave which does the least amount of damage (i.e. mender). The next wave will not spawn so long as an enemy from the previous wave is still alive. Just run around in circles avoiding the attacks from the vines until the timer runs out.

There’s a fair amount of a buffer available so you don’t need full coverage.

[VAHNeunzehnsechundsiebzig.]

@Ultramex.1506 said:

@Pirindolo.9427 said:

@Ultramex.1506 said:3 years and you should know there are guilds like EVA; LEET and more that do HoT metas everyday, haven't checked HoT lfg so i don't know if they are still doing it this year but if they are not then they are probably busy with meta rush.

Can I ask why (after 3 days, 3 years, or 3 centuries playing) I should now that these guilds even exist?How do you know if I play in euro or american server?

Welp, transfer to NA server then :) just to be sure, i'm actually surprised that EU doesn't even have those type of guild or EVA and LEET isn't in EUEdit: i was able to find out about these guild because when it about time for AB meta, i just checked lfg and saw them, that how i know of them and they meta train

nah, we have a whole bunch of guilds for that stuff. I don't really see OP's problem. It is not like they are hiding.

[Daddicus.6128]

@Pirindolo.9427 said:

@"Daddicus.6128" said:Have you tried the LFG tool?What is "LFG"? Maybe another of those stange commands, like "CC" that other playes use to shout everywhere?Come on folk, after 3 years playing with 12 toons, I start my own groups when I need one. I made VB night T4 many times in the past. Go there and try LFG for yourself now.

@"Khisanth.2948" said:It still happens. I completed one recently. However, your best bet is to check LFG on a day when VB events is one of the dailies.Events and night meta are completely different things. Besides, the more ppl doing diffferent things in the map, the more difficult to achieve T4 meta.

"Looking for group". Hit the Y key in-game.

And both metas and events (and anything else) are available via LFG. But, metas frequently have taxis to zones where there is a group doing the meta.

[Daddicus.6128]

Why are you arguing with people trying to help? I'm done with this thread.

[Inculpatus cedo.9234]

Umm...I think "what is LFG and CC" was sarcasm.

[Pirindolo.9427]

@"Inculpatus cedo.9234" said:Umm...I think "what is LFG and CC" was sarcasm.

It was., because I thought that the guy who gave me that first answer was being sarcastic as well. Actually, such a simplistic answer still looks like sarcastic to me.

But most ppl (very kind) trying to help stop reading after the first question.

[Pirindolo.9427]

Thanks for the answers, but most of them, if trying to be helpful, don't really know how the VB meta works to get to T4.I know very well what needs to be done. THat's why I sais that it's something impossible (almost) to get these days. Most people trying to help, acording to the answers they gave, don't really have an accurate idea of what reaching VB night T4 means.

1) It requires a lot of coordination between 5 or 6 subgroups. The supply part is even more tricky and uses to "fail" 90% of the times.2) It requires 2 or 3 ppl per camp, doing exactly what needs to be done in each camp. Do that, and nothing else. If there are more ppl around, it's a guaranteed fail because of scaling.3) If you don't get close to T3 before the bosses, then you will need to kill them all, not easy unless ppl are spread and, once again, there aren't too many scalating bosses up.

[Khisanth.2948]

@"Pirindolo.9427" said:Thanks for the answers, but most of them, if trying to be helpful, don't really know how the VB meta works to get to T4.I know very well what needs to be done. THat's why I sais that it's something impossible (almost) to get these days. Most people trying to help, acording to the answers they gave, don't really have an accurate idea of what reaching VB night T4 means.

The one that doesn't know what it takes is you since none of that is true.

1) It requires a lot of coordination between 5 or 6 subgroups. The supply part is even more tricky and uses to "fail" 90% of the times.

Knowing the most basic thing about how things work is considered "a lot of coordination" now?

2) It requires 2 or 3 ppl per camp, doing exactly what needs to be done in each camp. Do that, and nothing else. If there are more ppl around, it's a guaranteed fail because of scaling.

At most two. "Exactly what to do" is "kill things, don't die". =_=

3) If you don't get close to T3 before the bosses, then you will need to kill them all, not easy unless ppl are spread and, once again, there aren't too many scalating bosses up.

t2.5, kill 4 out of 5 bosses => t4

... or maybe you are just too nice to say the truth which is the fact that a large majority of the playerbase is just awful at the game especially in the open world. My standards aren't all that high but when you have an entire blob of people trying to attack a boss with Determined it tells you know much people are even trying.

[Rukario.1695]

You can hit t4 with a squad split into 3 or 4 players at each camp.

It's not too difficult, finished four t4s a couple weeks ago.

[Pirindolo.9427]

@"Bloodstealer.5978" said:Good luck getting it done though.

EDIT - This is one such guild I have run VB with a few times .. always helpful and pretty much always get it done -

https://psdh.eu/index.php?PHPSESSID=eeqnmlr4l035vjdt8dkdjo6f26&page=psdh_calendar

Thanks a lot!!!I will try to join their saturday run.

[Pirindolo.9427]

@Khisanth.2948 said:

@"Pirindolo.9427" said:Thanks for the answers, but most of them, if trying to be helpful, don't really know how the VB meta works to get to T4.I know very well what needs to be done. THat's why I sais that it's something impossible (almost) to get these days. Most people trying to help, acording to the answers they gave, don't really have an accurate idea of what reaching VB night T4 means.

The one that doesn't know what it takes is you since none of that is true.I would never talk about what is true and what not when we are mostly posting simple opinions. That would make me too arrogant.

1) It requires a lot of coordination between 5 or 6 subgroups. The supply part is even more tricky and uses to "fail" 90% of the times.

Knowing the most basic thing about how things work is considered "a lot of coordination" now?Since it is so basic, please, could you be so kind to explain the tactics to me (and to all other players that think VB night T4 is a difficult goal to achieve?

2) It requires 2 or 3 ppl per camp, doing exactly what needs to be done in each camp. Do that, and nothing else. If there are more ppl around, it's a guaranteed fail because of scaling.

At most two. "Exactly what to do" is "kill things, don't die". =_=So that's the basic thing required to succeed?

3) If you don't get close to T3 before the bosses, then you will need to kill them all, not easy unless ppl are spread and, once again, there aren't too many scalating bosses up.

t2.5, kill 4 out of 5 bosses => t4Exactly what I said, so then not everything I said was a lie, right?

... or maybe you are just too nice to say the truth which is the fact that a large majority of the playerbase is just awful at the game especially in the open world. My standards aren't all that high but when you have an entire blob of people trying to attack a boss with Determined it tells you know much people are even trying.

Please, refrain from making personal considerations and insulting the playerbase.

[Bloodstealer.5978]

Reposting my response to @"Pirindolo.9427" due to your post being removed.. subsequently taking my response out as well, which offered both the OP and others a resource to consider when looking to take on VB Meta.

To be fair saltiness seems to be coming from the player wanting help here.. in the Openworld, maybe that's the issue preventing you from achieving your goal.Many of us have no issue reaching T4 on the meta because we do actually understand how it works, we do know how to coordinate, we do know our classes and we do use the tools within the game to bring others together who also seek the same goal. If you have been trying for 3 years or so and still do not know there are regular guild runs organising VB meta or your not getting your own runs done, then maybe, just maybe the fault lies with you not everyone else.Sometimes truth hurts, but sometimes you just gotta be cruel to be kind.Good luck getting it done though.

EDIT - This is one such guild I have run VB with a few times .. always helpful and pretty much always get it done -
https://psdh.eu/index.php?PHPSESSID=eeqnmlr4l035vjdt8dkdjo6f26&page=psdh_calendar