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nerf rev before everyone quits

yeah

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  • mrauls.6519mrauls.6519 Member ✭✭✭

    They could always buff dragonhunter

  • Honestly just add a cast time to ALL facets, passive skills and active skills including heal

  • vyncius.6105vyncius.6105 Member ✭✭✭

    Rev is fine, it has big weakness- condition dmg, once that becomes META, ppl will ask for rev buffs.
    Rev was already hit hard, no need for more.

  • Noha.3749Noha.3749 Member ✭✭✭

    Everyone knows by now how the herald burst rotation goes, it is predictable yet.. deadly..

    Isnt it easier to just up your map awareness and keep track of enemy movement better? I mean sure they travel fast but they aint teef fast.

  • Burnfall.9573Burnfall.9573 Member ✭✭✭✭
  • Psycoprophet.8107Psycoprophet.8107 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Mbelch.9028 said:

    Why are you always linking WvW videos in the PvP forum????

    Is this one at least recent? I didnt bother to check

  • Jski.6180Jski.6180 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Mbelch.9028 said:

    Why are you always linking WvW videos in the PvP forum????

    This is where all balancing talk is being pushed to oddly the only places out side of the class forms where you can call out a class lol.

    See ELE forms and you will get my views.

  • Mbelch.9028Mbelch.9028 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited June 12, 2019

    @Psycoprophet.8107 said:

    @Mbelch.9028 said:

    Why are you always linking WvW videos in the PvP forum????

    Is this one at least recent? I didnt bother to check

    It's a month old. So yes ish? But also, it's WvW. So..... definitely not PvP.

    @Jski.6180 said:

    @Mbelch.9028 said:

    Why are you always linking WvW videos in the PvP forum????

    This is where all balancing talk is being pushed to oddly the only places out side of the class forms where you can call out a class lol.

    See that makes no sense to me lol. I've been watching him do that for a long time. At least his long rants that made little sense have tapered down, though.

  • Jski.6180Jski.6180 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Mbelch.9028 said:

    @Psycoprophet.8107 said:

    @Mbelch.9028 said:

    Why are you always linking WvW videos in the PvP forum????

    Is this one at least recent? I didnt bother to check

    It's a month old. So yes ish? But also, it's WvW. So..... definitely not PvP.

    @Jski.6180 said:

    @Mbelch.9028 said:

    Why are you always linking WvW videos in the PvP forum????

    This is where all balancing talk is being pushed to oddly the only places out side of the class forms where you can call out a class lol.

    See that makes no sense to me lol. I've been watching him do that for a long time. At least his long rants that made little sense have tapered down, though.

    Its the way it is. What happens when you cant talk about things because of one reason or another you run into things not working out logically but keep in mind this also cover talking about rev balancing.

    See ELE forms and you will get my views.

  • Azure The Heartless.3261Azure The Heartless.3261 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited June 12, 2019

    eh. You can sneeze on it with any condi and the meta build will die. I'm seeing the problems with herald, I'm just... reluctant to think they need nerfing.

    @Stand The Wall.6987 said:
    buff condi

    You don't actually want that. Mallyx is actually really strong, people just haven't figured it out yet. Making anything more powerful on that condi side with Embrace the Darkness as it is now is going to be trouble.

    [Charr Noises]
    [Plays every class]
    [JUST GIT EVEN GUDDER ITS FINE]

  • Sampson.2403Sampson.2403 Member ✭✭✭

    @Noha.3749 said:
    Everyone knows by now how the herald burst rotation goes, it is predictable yet.. deadly..

    Isnt it easier to just up your map awareness and keep track of enemy movement better? I mean sure they travel fast but they aint teef fast.

    Could you explain exactly how "the" Rev burst rotation goes?

    I've gotten leaderboard playing Rev but i just made up my own style and have no idea how far off i am from what the cool kids are doing.

  • AngelLovesFredrik.6741AngelLovesFredrik.6741 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited June 12, 2019

    @Sampson.2403 said:

    @Noha.3749 said:
    Everyone knows by now how the herald burst rotation goes, it is predictable yet.. deadly..

    Isnt it easier to just up your map awareness and keep track of enemy movement better? I mean sure they travel fast but they aint teef fast.

    Could you explain exactly how "the" Rev burst rotation goes?

    I've gotten leaderboard playing Rev but i just made up my own style and have no idea how far off i am from what the cool kids are doing.

    I don't play the class but I'd say the general rotation starts on shiro staff.
    Port into staff 5, swap to glint and sword, quickness cast either 4 or 2 with either burst of strength or elemental blast.

    ~ God Tier Guardian

  • @bluri.2653 said:
    Can we buff teef instead

    40s CD instant reflexes and full steal reset again. That should do it.

    ~ God Tier Guardian

  • bluri.2653bluri.2653 Member ✭✭✭

    @AngelLovesFredrik.6741 said:

    @bluri.2653 said:
    Can we buff teef instead

    40s CD instant reflexes and full steal reset again. That should do it.

    Not sd pls buff dp revert all past 2 year nerfs

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  • @bluri.2653 said:

    @AngelLovesFredrik.6741 said:

    @bluri.2653 said:
    Can we buff teef instead

    40s CD instant reflexes and full steal reset again. That should do it.

    Not sd pls buff dp revert all past 2 year nerfs

    3.5k PI, juicy indeed. Just buff heartseeker tbh. "If the enemy is below 25% hp, you seek out their heart and instantly kill them." Gotta stay with the lore

    ~ God Tier Guardian

  • torben.1532torben.1532 Member ✭✭

    I want them to revert all changes to rev up to season 5 meta where you would run sword shield with equilibrium...good old times

  • yusayu.3629yusayu.3629 Member ✭✭✭

    It'll come, sooner or later. It's just kinda sad that PvP currently is filled with incredibly strong classes that can be played by a blind monkey. Rev, Boonbeast, Holo...

  • Crab Fear.1624Crab Fear.1624 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @AngelLovesFredrik.6741 said:

    @bluri.2653 said:

    @AngelLovesFredrik.6741 said:

    @bluri.2653 said:
    Can we buff teef instead

    40s CD instant reflexes and full steal reset again. That should do it.

    Not sd pls buff dp revert all past 2 year nerfs

    3.5k PI, juicy indeed. Just buff heartseeker tbh. "If the enemy is below 25% hp, you seek out their heart and instantly kill them." Gotta stay with the lore

    add unblockable and we have a deal

    Soon™ ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

    Thief is my obsession.

  • mortrialus.3062mortrialus.3062 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited June 13, 2019

    @Buran.3796 said:

    @yusayu.3629 said:
    It'll come, sooner or later.

    What do you mean with this? Rev didn't get but kitten in 2018; latest patches butchered quickness from Impossible Odds, crushed the might duration, increased the F2 upkeep cost while nerfing the effects, doubled the cast time of sword #4., nerfed swords auto attack damage, and watered down the staff #2 and #3 to make it a PvE weapon... Meanwhile they improved builds, legends and traits which no one uses: Jalis, Ventari, Kalla... such a bunch of no ones in PvP. Rev build (which is a Hrerald build: Rev or Renegade just doesn't exist in PvP) didn't change in 3.5 years (aside from making shield and axe so bad that no longer exist in PvP). The class can't tank, has no viable support build and the condi builds are a joke mix between doing no damage and having no sustain... You have at least two viable builds with every class... except the Revenant.

    Revs: We have the single best build in the game right now but we're still not happy until we have all the best builds in the game.

    Best Dressed Memser NA.

  • Pterikdactyl.7630Pterikdactyl.7630 Member ✭✭✭✭

    So to those that think Rev is OP, what are the primary reasons this is the case? What makes it feel OP to have matched up against you? I am a Rev main and would just like some more understanding. I don't play sPvP but it seems that the burst is people's biggest issue?

  • Stand The Wall.6987Stand The Wall.6987 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited June 13, 2019

    @Pterikdactyl.7630 said:
    So to those that think Rev is OP, what are the primary reasons this is the case? What makes it feel OP to have matched up against you? I am a Rev main and would just like some more understanding. I don't play sPvP but it seems that the burst is people's biggest issue?

    sword 3 4 and 5 plus staff 5 can all hit really hard, in some cases hitting for half your hp. don't know if this is the case after the nerf tho. then there is the sustain rotation, chaining riposting shadows, staff block, normal dodge, infuse light if things get tricky, plus some nice weakness on staff 2 and prot spam with glint elite. its hard to master but once you do there isn't much a lot of classes can do to you.

    edit
    I forgot burst of strength and elemental blast. elemental blast is ridiculous.

  • Noha.3749Noha.3749 Member ✭✭✭

    Well its all depending on the situation.
    A Revenant is not the best duelist, but they are awesome in +1 fights where all they have to do is port in with some unblockable quickness burst while the target is distracted with another fight.

    So if anything is in need to be "changed" i dont think the damage is it, probably the range on Phase Traversal so you limit the "out of nowhere" burst (i.e. burst coming from porting behind certain pillars to target etc), that would give the player more reactiontime to the incoming revenant.
    Id say make Phase Traversal 900/600range(DD treatment) but UP the Auto attack damage and perhaps shiro heal siphon dmg/health to compensate

    Reward the Rev for prolonged melee engagements but make the "out of the blue burst" more "fair" to the avrage player.

    Upping the AA dmg and siphoning dmg could perhaps give revs a better option for PvE content aswell.

    TL;DR;
    Less shiro mobility, more AA & Siphon heal/dmg

  • Noha.3749Noha.3749 Member ✭✭✭

    Im fine with revenants being the kings/queens of burstdamage, but god kitten let Teefs remain the undisputed masters of mobility (both engage & disengage)

  • @Pterikdactyl.7630 said:
    So to those that think Rev is OP, what are the primary reasons this is the case? What makes it feel OP to have matched up against you? I am a Rev main and would just like some more understanding. I don't play sPvP but it seems that the burst is people's biggest issue?

    Play a few games as a core guard, which is meant to fill the same roll. After that you'll see the difference.

    ~ God Tier Guardian

  • torben.1532torben.1532 Member ✭✭

    They should nerf sword 5 somehow ( either remove slow or put it on second hit+lower the damage) and probably lower the range on phase traversal to 900.
    The heralds damage isn’t that much of a problem but rather that it is so difficult to kite it

  • Miyu.8137Miyu.8137 Member ✭✭

    @Stand The Wall.6987 said:
    sword 3 4 and 5 plus staff 5 can all hit really hard, in some cases hitting for half your hp. don't know if this is the case after the nerf tho. then there is the sustain rotation, chaining riposting shadows, staff block, normal dodge, infuse light if things get tricky, plus some nice weakness on staff 2 and prot spam with glint elite. its hard to master but once you do there isn't much a lot of classes can do to you.

    edit
    I forgot burst of strength and elemental blast. elemental blast is ridiculous.

    This is just all wrong. Neiter of that skill is actually hitting any hard. I mean sure they do nice dmg, but comparing it with the dmg of skills of holo or war, it's in line with them. Rev could easily stack 25 might in no time and together with Notoriety trait (might grants more power) the power of Rev was boosted so high. But this was already nerfed in the previous patch.

    Now ppl more likely complain about burst dmg which is combination of phase traversel ( which grants quickness for 3sec, unblockable attacks and 25% dmg boost for next 2 hits) and the folllowing hits, usually deathstrike. Now, here you have your OPness. It's basically port bomb which is hard to avoid due quickness and fast cast of deathstrike , it can't be blocked and deals 25% more dmg. So you should rather look at "Phase traversal" utility instead of nerfing weapon skill, which imo doesn't need a nerf.

    Also don't forget Revenant is very vulnerable to conditions and hard CC. You also seem to have no clue about the rotation in real fight. Revenant will also have hard time to win 1v1 vs any class and same skilled oponent so you saying total nonsence. Revenant only job (meta build) is to burst and quick kill, nerf this ability too much and the class (build) is deleted.

    Also ".... and prot spam with glint elite" /facepalm

  • Stand The Wall.6987Stand The Wall.6987 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited June 13, 2019

    @Miyu.8137 said:
    snips

    it was possible to hit that hard vs no toughness classes before nerf. tons of video proof. elemental blast tics for 3k ez. plenty of 1v1 potential. some of what you say is true.

    edit
    no longer possible to hit that hard unless berserker, so nvm. unrelenting assault and elemental blast still hit hard tho.

  • Just remove all damage from shiro f2

    ~ God Tier Guardian

  • Burnfall.9573Burnfall.9573 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Turkeyspit.3965 said:

    It's a great vid, showcasing 9:54 of this players BEST MOMENTS of that roaming session. But what if those 9:54 mins were the only times the player was wrecking, and they spent 40 additional minutes combined getting their face smashed by other roamers?

    This applies to all professions btw: using a video of their 'highlight reel' to justify balance changes is a silly notion.

    Also, the player of this vid isn't your average bear. I play Rev (not much as a roamer though) and have played with other very capable Revs, so it's easy to spot. If this is what a capable player can do with Rev then working as intended. Show me a crappy player on Rev pulling off the same stuff then we can talk about OP.

    'it's not your average player' is always the excuse when the Truth comes out.

    (not disrespecting you by the way)

  • mortrialus.3062mortrialus.3062 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited June 13, 2019

    @AngelLovesFredrik.6741 said:

    @Pterikdactyl.7630 said:
    So to those that think Rev is OP, what are the primary reasons this is the case? What makes it feel OP to have matched up against you? I am a Rev main and would just like some more understanding. I don't play sPvP but it seems that the burst is people's biggest issue?

    Play a few games as a core guard, which is meant to fill the same roll. After that you'll see the difference.

    I remember like over a year ago calling revs "kitten core guards."

    Boy how the tables have turned.

    Best Dressed Memser NA.

  • Turkeyspit.3965Turkeyspit.3965 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Burnfall.9573 said:

    @Turkeyspit.3965 said:

    It's a great vid, showcasing 9:54 of this players BEST MOMENTS of that roaming session. But what if those 9:54 mins were the only times the player was wrecking, and they spent 40 additional minutes combined getting their face smashed by other roamers?

    This applies to all professions btw: using a video of their 'highlight reel' to justify balance changes is a silly notion.

    Also, the player of this vid isn't your average bear. I play Rev (not much as a roamer though) and have played with other very capable Revs, so it's easy to spot. If this is what a capable player can do with Rev then working as intended. Show me a crappy player on Rev pulling off the same stuff then we can talk about OP.

    'it's not your average player' is always the excuse when the Truth comes out.

    (not disrespecting you by the way)

    So if a GW2 players is successful in 1v3, that means their build is OP and needs nerfs, right?
    Or did it mean their opponents were terrible?
    Or did it mean their build hard countered that of their opponents?
    Or were they just lucky?
    Or is that player just really good at GW2?
    Or was it a combination of the factors above?

  • Azure The Heartless.3261Azure The Heartless.3261 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited June 13, 2019

    @Trevor Boyer.6524 said:

    @Miyu.8137 said:
    All these topics about nerfing "InsertRandomClass" won't help anything. Can you not be more specific? What exactly do you find OP? What skill? What trait? What utility? When we know, we can actually discuss the problematic parts and evantually propose solution.

    At first, you'd think it's the damage output. But it isn't actually the damage that's the problem, it's the chase potential. You seriously cannot escape a Herald that wants you dead. Between Unrelenting Assault and Phase Traversal, it's too much chase power. If it engages you when you are already low on resources, there is no way to counter play the mixture of its chase potential paired with its very consistent high damage output. Unlike a Soulbeast, who has his kill burst in short intervals that go on significant CDs, the Herald actually has high "Damage Per Second", even with random spam attacks, that ultimately cannot be avoided.

    Preferably Arenanet needs to configure something so that heralds are easier to disengage. If they don't want to do that, they should lower the damage output.

    I think this is reasonable. An energy cost bump to phase traversal might be a good place to start, and if that isn't enough have unrelenting check its range after every hit so that you cant magnet to people that blink/port far away.

    I say that tentatively though. Getting harassed at range by bomb-and-disengage condi builds or projectiles ain't a good feel, and they dont have as much block potential as guards. Gonna need to buff their active defenses if you want them to not stick to you the moment they see you.

    So either nerf damage or nerf chase/buff defense. And depending on when they land from there, condi cleanse or a significant buff to resistance on mallyx to make people consider corruption line.

    [Charr Noises]
    [Plays every class]
    [JUST GIT EVEN GUDDER ITS FINE]

  • Psycoprophet.8107Psycoprophet.8107 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Turkeyspit.3965 said:

    @Burnfall.9573 said:

    @Turkeyspit.3965 said:

    It's a great vid, showcasing 9:54 of this players BEST MOMENTS of that roaming session. But what if those 9:54 mins were the only times the player was wrecking, and they spent 40 additional minutes combined getting their face smashed by other roamers?

    This applies to all professions btw: using a video of their 'highlight reel' to justify balance changes is a silly notion.

    Also, the player of this vid isn't your average bear. I play Rev (not much as a roamer though) and have played with other very capable Revs, so it's easy to spot. If this is what a capable player can do with Rev then working as intended. Show me a crappy player on Rev pulling off the same stuff then we can talk about OP.

    'it's not your average player' is always the excuse when the Truth comes out.

    (not disrespecting you by the way)

    So if a GW2 players is successful in 1v3, that means their build is OP and needs nerfs, right?
    Or did it mean their opponents were terrible?
    Or did it mean their build hard countered that of their opponents?
    Or were they just lucky?
    Or is that player just really good at GW2?
    Or was it a combination of the factors above?

    This ^
    There are si many factors that could be considered when not looking thru biased eyes with a vendetta driving the conclusion.

  • Solori.6025Solori.6025 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Psycoprophet.8107 said:

    @Turkeyspit.3965 said:

    @Burnfall.9573 said:

    @Turkeyspit.3965 said:

    It's a great vid, showcasing 9:54 of this players BEST MOMENTS of that roaming session. But what if those 9:54 mins were the only times the player was wrecking, and they spent 40 additional minutes combined getting their face smashed by other roamers?

    This applies to all professions btw: using a video of their 'highlight reel' to justify balance changes is a silly notion.

    Also, the player of this vid isn't your average bear. I play Rev (not much as a roamer though) and have played with other very capable Revs, so it's easy to spot. If this is what a capable player can do with Rev then working as intended. Show me a crappy player on Rev pulling off the same stuff then we can talk about OP.

    'it's not your average player' is always the excuse when the Truth comes out.

    (not disrespecting you by the way)

    So if a GW2 players is successful in 1v3, that means their build is OP and needs nerfs, right?
    Or did it mean their opponents were terrible?
    Or did it mean their build hard countered that of their opponents?
    Or were they just lucky?
    Or is that player just really good at GW2?
    Or was it a combination of the factors above?

    This ^
    There are si many factors that could be considered when not looking thru biased eyes with a vendetta driving the conclusion.

    Unfortunately Anet doesn't look at factors like that. They see complaints. The nerf it. Indiscriminately

    Tingle my stingleberry

  • Stand The Wall.6987Stand The Wall.6987 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited June 13, 2019

    pls deleteasfasdfdggdcs

  • @Azure The Heartless.3261 said:

    @Trevor Boyer.6524 said:

    @Miyu.8137 said:
    All these topics about nerfing "InsertRandomClass" won't help anything. Can you not be more specific? What exactly do you find OP? What skill? What trait? What utility? When we know, we can actually discuss the problematic parts and evantually propose solution.

    At first, you'd think it's the damage output. But it isn't actually the damage that's the problem, it's the chase potential. You seriously cannot escape a Herald that wants you dead. Between Unrelenting Assault and Phase Traversal, it's too much chase power. If it engages you when you are already low on resources, there is no way to counter play the mixture of its chase potential paired with its very consistent high damage output. Unlike a Soulbeast, who has his kill burst in short intervals that go on significant CDs, the Herald actually has high "Damage Per Second", even with random spam attacks, that ultimately cannot be avoided.

    Preferably Arenanet needs to configure something so that heralds are easier to disengage. If they don't want to do that, they should lower the damage output.

    I think this is reasonable. An energy cost bump to phase traversal might be a good place to start, and if that isn't enough have unrelenting check its range after every hit so that you cant magnet to people that blink/port far away.

    I say that tentatively though. Getting harassed at range by bomb-and-disengage condi builds or projectiles ain't a good feel, and they dont have as much block potential as guards. Gonna need to buff their active defenses if you want them to not stick to you the moment they see you.

    So either nerf damage or nerf chase/buff defense. And depending on when they land from there, condi cleanse or a significant buff to resistance on mallyx to make people consider corruption line.

    Revs arguably has the same or more blocks than guardian. (Core) while having a plethora of evades to work with.

    ~ God Tier Guardian

  • @AngelLovesFredrik.6741 said:
    Revs arguably has the same or more blocks than guardian. (Core) while having a plethora of evades to work with.

    Uh?

    It has a ton of evades yes, but it only has two blocks IIRC. And both of those blocks are active.

    [Charr Noises]
    [Plays every class]
    [JUST GIT EVEN GUDDER ITS FINE]

  • Psycoprophet.8107Psycoprophet.8107 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Revs have good sustain all thing considered but what it definitely does not have is the block potential guards have lol

  • Snellibee.2761Snellibee.2761 Member ✭✭✭

    @LolLookAtMyAP.8394 said:
    Honestly just add a cast time to ALL facets, passive skills and active skills including heal

    All facets have cast time except facet of darkness which is the stunbreak so it's normal that it doesn't have a cast time

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