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Wait, you *decreased* the time Augury Rock is open by *10 mins*?!?


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@OutOfOrder.3719 said:Huh ?

Perhaps maybe the first time entering it, it may take 20 minutes to read.

But the annoyance from replaying it, on a daily basis, the 10 minute wait will improve the meta event for everyone.

After playing the meta event, you have to make an active choice to either play the Augury Rock meta for 45 minutes, with the 20 minute delay doing absolutely nothing, or playing something else.

This is a welcome change, thank you ANET for listening to player feedback.

I literally would go get something to eat, take a shower or relieve myself during that 1 20 minute boring wait. So glad that it is gone.

And the worst thing about the Path to Ascension meta, is that you will miss the Casino Blitz meta too.

and this is why i am hating META's more and more, they take priority over everything else while ruining the gameplay of others.

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@sorudo.9054 said:

@OutOfOrder.3719 said:Huh ?

Perhaps maybe the first time entering it, it may take 20 minutes to read.

But the annoyance from replaying it, on a daily basis, the 10 minute wait will improve the meta event for everyone.

After playing the meta event, you have to make an active choice to either play the Augury Rock meta for 45 minutes, with the 20 minute delay doing absolutely nothing, or playing something else.

This is a welcome change, thank you ANET for listening to player feedback.

I literally would go get something to eat, take a shower or relieve myself during that 1 20 minute boring wait. So glad that it is gone.

And the worst thing about the Path to Ascension meta, is that you will miss the Casino Blitz meta too.

and this is why i am hating META's more and more, they take priority over everything else while ruining the gameplay of others.

the issue here is that for PvE, most content drops into one of two categories: repeatable, and not repeatable. It doesn't take a leap of logic to recognize the former is more important.

I am glad that Anet does try to please groups in both camps, but if I had to prioritize, repeatable content will always trump those done once.

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@"Valar Dotalis.6409" said:The verses are documented on the wiki: https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Flameseeker_Verse

Of course they are. All the lore is documented there. But it seems (stemming from ambiguity due to your terseness) you've missed a very important point of mine (and I don't blame you, given the length of my post) -- immersion. It's an ingame play experience. Reading about it on the wiki is precisely not the right solution for someone seeking immersion. There was precious little reason to gate the lore in the first place, and now with this change, none whatsoever that stands up to scrutiny.

As people have noted, there are myriad other ways to reduce the wait for people who want to do as many events as quickly as possible. Indeed, decoupling the mechanics impacting the "Meta" community from those impacting others (such as those who appreciate the lore) now seems to be an obvious goal that Anet should strive for, as I can see much trouble down the road if this sort of decision making continues.

There is no reason whatsoever that lore and immersion should have to impact or be impacted by Meta stampedes. None at all. This solution was poorly made and based on unnecessary constraints. Here's one extremely simple solution (for the record, it's one that I think is not all that great for lore people, but I'd prefer it far more than what was just done): make a Priory scholar area outside AR where some Priory intern schmuck has copied all the stuff found inside AR, leaving an interactable notebook on some table, where a player can read the lore in peace (or, as suggested above (brilliantly, btw), log the lore into some personal notebook to be enjoyed in peace at one's leisure). This took all of three seconds to think of and wouldn't require more than a single man-day of work from a junior dev. (In any case, certainly far less than the requisite unit/regression testing associated with the change as provided. (Well, assuming Anet actually bothers doing such things, which is, unfortunately, rather debatable...))

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I really wish there was a 'tourist' mode for the raids (like LFR in Warcraft), so that the people like myself who will never see them could at least venture in. Kind of like how the original personal story takes you into Arah before fighting Zhaitan... Other games do it, why not GW2?

Anyway, I love Taimi and I don't get the hate. Just wanted to make that known. :)

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@Astralporing.1957 said:

@Drecien.4508 said:Here's a shocker, tou can read all the scrolls from outside when its closed. #shookYou can? How?

There are stone plates near the barrier on the outside.Those can be used only to read the verses you have already unlocked. So, they are useless as far as achievement goes.
  1. This is what you asked for.
  2. Of course it helps with the achievement. You can skip reading them during the event and just unlock as fast as possible and read it afterwards. If you are only interested in AP then it won't help...
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@Miellyn.6847 said:

@Drecien.4508 said:Here's a shocker, tou can read all the scrolls from outside when its closed. #shookYou can? How?

There are stone plates near the barrier on the outside.Those can be used only to read the verses you have already unlocked. So, they are useless as far as achievement goes.
  1. This is what you asked for.No, this is definitely not what i asked for. Not being an RP person, i wasn't considering immersion, but was speaking about the echievement side of things from the beginning.You suggested there's a way to read
    all
    the scrolls without having to wait for the Augury Rock to open. It's not. It's merely a way to read all
    unlocked
    scrolls. Which is of no help for those wanting to unlock them.
  2. Of course it helps with the achievement. You can skip reading them during the event and just unlock as fast as possible and read it afterwards.You could use wiki for that already. And considering that before unlocking all scrolls took multiple AR events, even if you did skip reading, skipping (and reading the text elsewhere) was already the most sensible choice (unless, again, you were more interested in immersion, in which case you had an even bigger problem). Now, with 10 min less for that, it's going to be much, much more annoying.

If you are only interested in AP then it won't help...So, like i said before, those going for achievemens got kittened over.
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@Imperator Nox.7509 said:

@"Valar Dotalis.6409" said:The verses are documented on the wiki:

Of course they are.
All
the lore is documented there. But it seems (stemming from ambiguity due to your terseness) you've missed a very important point of mine (and I don't blame you, given the length of my post) -- immersion. It's an ingame play experience. Reading about it on the wiki is precisely
not
the right solution for someone seeking immersion. There was precious little reason to gate the lore in the first place, and now with this change, none whatsoever that stands up to scrutiny.

As people have noted, there are myriad other ways to reduce the wait for people who want to do as many events as quickly as possible. Indeed, decoupling the mechanics impacting the "Meta" community from those impacting others (such as those who appreciate the lore) now seems to be an obvious goal that Anet should strive for, as I can see much trouble down the road if this sort of decision making continues.

There is
no reason whatsoever
that lore and immersion should have to impact or be impacted by Meta stampedes. None at all. This solution was poorly made and based on unnecessary constraints. Here's one extremely simple solution (for the record, it's one that I think is not all that great for lore people, but I'd prefer it far more than what was just done): make a Priory scholar area outside AR where some Priory intern schmuck has copied all the stuff found inside AR, leaving an interactable notebook on some table, where a player can read the lore in peace (or, as suggested above (brilliantly, btw), log the lore into some personal notebook to be enjoyed in peace at one's leisure). This took all of three seconds to think of and wouldn't require more than a single man-day of work from a junior dev. (In any case, certainly far less than the requisite unit/regression testing associated with the change as provided. (Well, assuming Anet actually
bothers
doing such things, which is, unfortunately, rather debatable...))

Doesn't miellyns observation look like what you're suggesting. So it is in the game already

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@Crystal Black.8190 said:You can only read it on the outside if you all ready have done the achievement.

What they're saying it, just unlock them for the Achievement then read them outside once you've finished the Achievement...unless you're saying reading them is part of the Achievement, which I don't think it is...all you need to do is unlock them all....unlock all first(Achievement), read later from outside(not quite as immersive, but still better than wiki).

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@Zaklex.6308 said:

@"Crystal Black.8190" said:You can only read it on the outside if you all ready have done the achievement.

What they're saying it, just unlock them for the Achievement then read them outside once you've finished the Achievement...unless you're saying reading them is part of the Achievement, which I don't think it is...all you need to do is unlock them all....unlock all first(Achievement), read later from outside(not quite as immersive, but still better than wiki).For an average player it aleady took many meta events to unlock all of the scolls. That's
without
reading them. Now, with 10 minutes less per meta to do that, it will require even more meta repetitions. And if you are interested primarily in that, all the rest of the very long meta is practically a wasted time.

It's easy to say "just unlock them", but it's actally that very part that got much more annoying now.

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@Astralporing.1957 said:

@"Crystal Black.8190" said:You can only read it on the outside if you all ready have done the achievement.

What they're saying it, just unlock them for the Achievement then read them outside once you've finished the Achievement...unless you're saying reading them is part of the Achievement, which I don't think it is...all you need to do is unlock them all....unlock all first(Achievement), read later from outside(not quite as immersive, but still better than wiki).For an average player it already took many meta events to unlock all of the scrolls. That's
without
reading them. Now, with 10 minutes less per meta to do that, it will require even more meta repetitions. And if you are interested primarily in that, all the rest of the very long meta is practically a wasted time.

It's easy to say "just unlock them", but it's actually that very part that got much more annoying now.

I was just clarifying what was being said as it seemed the person didn't quite grasp the answer. I can see it being more annoying now than before, but since you're doing the Meta anyways(and the pre-events up to and including opening Augury Rock) are not usually a one and done players that are just doing this Achievement now will need to double the number of Meta's that it would've taken previously. Now, should ArenaNet come up with some solution that allows those who want to just read the scrolls and get the Achievement without having to participate in the entire Meta chain...that's up to them to decide.

I just thought of an alternative solution that wouldn't have required shortening the 20 minutes Augury Rock was open and it involves the Bounty system. Create 2 or 3 more Bounties that are tied exclusively to Augury Rock and are only available when Kaidena's events are successful...these could be specifically related to Augury Rock in some capacity...just a thought to keep those busy who are just there waiting between Josso and the Doppelganger. While some are busy killing those Bounties the ones that want to get the Scrolls would still have their 20 minutes to do so.

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@Astralporing.1957 said:

@Zaklex.6308 said:I can see it being more annoying now than before, but since you're doing the Meta anywaysActually, when i was doing it, i
wasn't
doing meta, unless it happened to be very close to Augury Rock opening. The meta itself didn't interest me in the slightest.

So you weren't participating in any of the events(unless Augury was close to opening), just waiting for Augury Rock to open and then going in and getting the Scrolls? I ask because some players think the Meta is the Doppelganger...when in truth that is just the end of the Meta, which is actually the entire chain of events from the beginning with Kaidena gathering the Forgotten magics., etc., etc., etc.,. I find a lot just show up for the gathering the Wild Magic and killing the Doppelganger(when in fact it also includes all the pre-events), I wonder how much participation would decrease or increase in those Meta's that are a chain of events if players needed to participate in all phases of the chain in order to get rewards(that's another subject entirely I know, but it would be interesting to know).

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@Zaklex.6308 said:

@Zaklex.6308 said:I can see it being more annoying now than before, but since you're doing the Meta anywaysActually, when i was doing it, i
wasn't
doing meta, unless it happened to be very close to Augury Rock opening. The meta itself didn't interest me in the slightest.

So you weren't participating in any of the events(unless Augury was close to opening), just waiting for Augury Rock to open and then going in and getting the Scrolls?I did participate if the AR was close to opening. Otherwise i just moved to a different map to do something else.
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@Astralporing.1957 said:

@Drecien.4508 said:Here's a shocker, tou can read all the scrolls from outside when its closed. #shookYou can? How?

There are stone plates near the barrier on the outside.Those can be used only to read the verses you have already unlocked. So, they are useless as far as achievement goes.

No, they aren't useless... whilst doing the achievement, just focus on movement, combat, etc. Once you've finished them all you can read all verses outside, anytime, without minding a timer or annoying screechers... that is the point...

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@Perisemiotics.4579 said:

@Drecien.4508 said:Here's a shocker, tou can read all the scrolls from outside when its closed. #shookYou can? How?

There are stone plates near the barrier on the outside.Those can be used only to read the verses you have already unlocked. So, they are useless as far as achievement goes.

No, they aren't useless... whilst doing the achievement, just focus on movement, combat, etc. Once you've finished them all you can read all verses outside, anytime, without minding a timer or annoying screechers... that is the point...I didn't say they were useless. I said they were useless
as far as achievement goes
. If you just want to read the verses, there's always the wiki.
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@Astralporing.1957 said:I didn't say they were useless. I said they were useless as far as achievement goes. If you just want to read the verses, there's always the wiki.They exist with the sole purpose of letting players who've completed the achievements access all verses at any time. Ergo, as far as achievement goes and especially regarding achievements, they're anything but.I don't just want to read texts but when I do I read them in-game, no need for Wiki at all.

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@Perisemiotics.4579 said:

@Astralporing.1957 said:I didn't say they were useless. I said they were useless
as far as achievement goes
. If you just want to read the verses, there's always the wiki.They exist with the sole purpose of letting players who've completed the achievements access all verses at any time. Ergo,
as far as achievement goes
and especially regarding achievements, they're anything but.You've just said it: their usefulness only starts
after
doing the achievements. Up to that point they
are
useless.

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@Perisemiotics.4579 said:

@"Astralporing.1957" said:You've just said it: their usefulness only starts
after
doing the achievements. Up to that point they
are
useless.iirc you can read whichever verse you've unlockedPrecisely. Only those you have already unlocked.so no, not even then are they "useless."If your purpose is to unlock the verses, the tablet
is
useless. It won't help you unlock even a single verse - and, before unlocking them,
it doesn't even work
.

Like i said many times over.

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@Astralporing.1957 said:

@Zaklex.6308 said:I can see it being more annoying now than before, but since you're doing the Meta anywaysActually, when i was doing it, i
wasn't
doing meta, unless it happened to be very close to Augury Rock opening. The meta itself didn't interest me in the slightest.

So you yourself don't chip into unlocking the area but at the same time want to make waiting times longer so people who are interested in doing the events won't come back to the map because it's just not worth it. Careful with what you wish for.

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