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A solid case as to why Tengu could be a playable race, and why it would be worthwhile.

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  • leon.5364leon.5364 Member ✭✭
    edited June 13, 2019

    we do need tengu as playable race or tonic combats if is that hard to make them playable we wait almost 6 year to play tengu so many year we waiting them is about time arenanet must do something to end this long year of wait for play tengu as race or else a combats tonic.

  • Ultramex.1506Ultramex.1506 Member ✭✭✭

    Yea...while some want Tengu for RP or to looks cool with outfit/skin, i only want them if they have impact on the dialouge and other characters acknowledge your race but since HoT, vanilla races don't matter anymore we got few race-specific dialouge but nothing important, until Anet can fix that i'm not gonna bother. Plus what are the chances that they won't re-use Charr animation for Tengu? Sylvari don't have many unique animation beside running/dance same goes for Norn

  • i've heard Tengu use the charr skeleton and animations, so it probably wouldnt even take much effort to bring them into game. i mean they already exist in HoT as enemies, which means theyve been worked on for animations and such.

  • leon.5364leon.5364 Member ✭✭

    remember the tonic combat olmakhan ? he use the same animation and skeleton of classic tengu we see in caledon forest and lion arch.this is a way to make a tengu tonic combats

  • Kylden Ar.3724Kylden Ar.3724 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Blockhead Magee.3092 said:
    The only thing they should do with Tengu is serve them up on a platter at a Thanksgiving style event.

    After the way they acted toward refugees when Scarlett attacked Lion's Arch, agreed.

    Let's kill them all.

    How many times we gotta tell you GRIND IS NOT CONTENT there ANet?

    Leader of Tyrian Adventure Corp [TACO], [RaW][TACO] Alliance, Kaineng.

  • Grim West.3194Grim West.3194 Member ✭✭✭

    1, 2, uh.. 4,... SKRITT!

  • maddoctor.2738maddoctor.2738 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited June 15, 2019

    @Thornwolf.9721 said:
    With the cantha expansion looming; Or more the Idea of one becoming closer and closer to reality I felt its time we touched this once again.

    Huh, where is this coming from?

    First we must cover two things which are the models and animations are done.

    Charr have tails, Tengu do not have tails. Ironically, this means some of the armors will look better on Tengu than Charr (there are Charr skins that miss the tail) but the others will need to be edited. Charr tails appearing when the armor isn't compatible is less of an issue than a Tengu wearing armor with a tail...

    Animations aren't done, Charr run on four legs, Tengu run on two legs. Their skeletons might be similar but the animations are different because Charr animations need to account for the body posture. Tengu require more human-like animations.

    1. The first is simple, its an expansion seller.

    No it's not. Mounts are expansion sellers because they are content for everyone. A new race is not, only those interested in the new race will see this as an expansion seller. Moreover, Mounts can integrate with content, making them essential to progress the story, or making them incredibly useful to navigate the maps. A new race offers no such convenience, therefore a new race will never be an important game feature, or an expansion seller.

    1. They Don't need a starting zone but the city is already there;

    Can I go to that city? No, it still needs to be created.

  • leon.5364leon.5364 Member ✭✭

    or else a tonic combats if making tengu as playable race is too hard.but my question is.which model tengu you want to be a tonic combats ? the version of heart of thorn or the classic tengu we see in lion arch ? between those model https://cdna.artstation.com/p/assets/images/images/008/388/698/large/hyunbo-park-tengu-upgraded-v03-arenalogo.jpg?1512453701 https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/a/a5/Swift_Arrow.jpg

  • Dami.5046Dami.5046 Member ✭✭✭✭

    I have seen that Anet are recruiting. Hopefully not to replace existing staff that have now left but to boost numbers.
    Now if the latter is the case, why would they need the extra?
    mmmm.

  • bOTEB.1573bOTEB.1573 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited June 15, 2019

    While I don't disagree with many of your points and I like the idea to see a new race, I would be strongly against introducing it without a personal story. This is one. Second would be that I would never choose a new race as the main selling point of the expansion. It may be easy to implement everything, or maybe not. What I know is that if it is not easy I prefer more content elsewhere. For example, I want great, new elite specializations. I want to participate in well-thought, interesting meta events, which are developed with the idea of uniting as many players as possible, like a true MMO. I want a great and interesting story, which is so huge that it blows my mind. I want more collections, which are not only time consuming but also interesting and engaging. I want a new interesting mechanic which can stand "proudly" next to the mechanics of HoT and PoF (gliding, mushrooms, mounts, etc.). I want performance and engine optimization of the game. I want QoL tweaks to make the game more intuitive. I want WvW and PvP additions and improvements, like swiss tournaments or alliances.

    P.S. These are the open positions at ANET
    https://www.arena.net/en/careers

    Wishlist:
    Everything that kills me should be nerfed
    Remove all time gates - I play more than some people yet I receive the same rewards per day/week (PvP/WvW tickets etc)
    ANET developments/events and everything else should be in a schedule with the time I play

  • leon.5364leon.5364 Member ✭✭
    edited June 15, 2019

    well devs must listen this time i repeat myself.we have enough of waiting tengu.and again make them as tonic combats would be perfect as we wait 6 year for them. a tonic combats tengu that what i waiting .a race or tonic whatever but they must do something for us.

  • DonArkanio.6419DonArkanio.6419 Member ✭✭✭

    I really love the idea of new races. I almost 100% sure that we won't be getting news classes ever, but a race would definitely do the job.
    Race change and new race for me.

    You know that the problem is? We have literally no idea whether ANet is planning / willing to make new playable races.
    We don't know whether they will implement visual-clutter-bar.
    We have no idea whether Living World replaced Expansions or if it's a current way od content.
    We don't know literally anything about the future plans for GW2 except "they are working on Build Templates" and "LWS5 is coming" - that's all we have.
    This bothers me now a lot more often than ever.

  • FrizzFreston.5290FrizzFreston.5290 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Rauderi.8706 said:

    @sorudo.9054 said:
    3. there are so many other more worthwhile races to be added and more ways to add new races (without conflicts).

    That's almost objectively false. Tengu have repeatedly been the most requested race-add out of so many new race polls. So many. Weekly, even. And they were almost included in the original 5 races before Charr made the cut.
    That doesn't change that it's a huge undertaking to retrofit armor, hire a dozen voice actors, perform Season 2 on up, have some kind of 1-80 experience (unless they're treated as a post-vanilla hero race), etc...

    Worthwile doesnt mean popular.

  • serialkicker.5274serialkicker.5274 Member ✭✭✭

    I feel like this is one of those things people think they want, but fun would quickly fade away and it would turn out as investment was way bigger than it was worth it.
    Making a new race playable is quite a serious task and investment. They would really need to be sure that enough people want it and that it would "last". I don't know how many people would care about new race. I can only speak for myself and I would definetly not care and buy expansion if new playable race was the selling point for it.

  • Dami.5046Dami.5046 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited June 15, 2019

    I play GW2 and for that matter GW. When both games had expansions come out I bought them. In GW2's case that was both PoF and HoT of course and I got them because they were expansions, not because of masteries and mounts. The only selling point is that they were the expansion for the game I play.
    And I would do the same IF we get another.
    I would buy it if it was GW:EN all over if it was cantha if it was on a planet far far away.
    And thankful that the game was still running.
    Noone seems thankful we have GW2 these days.

  • serialkicker.5274serialkicker.5274 Member ✭✭✭

    @Dami.5046 said:
    I play GW2 and for that matter GW. When both games had expansions come out I bought them. In GW2's case that was both PoF and HoT of course and I got them because they were expansions, not because of masteries and mounts. The only selling point is that they were the expansion for the game I play.
    And I would do the same IF we get another.
    I would buy it if it was GW:EN all over if it was cantha if it was on a planet far far away.
    And thankful that the game was still running.
    Noone seems thankful we have GW2 these days.

    How did you gather that no one is thankful for gw2? Because we wouldn't buy an expansion that provides content we don't want to play? If you want to support the game, you can do so by buying gems, no need to buy content you don't want to play...

  • Astralporing.1957Astralporing.1957 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited June 15, 2019

    @derd.6413 said:
    except 1. xpacs are a big money maker for anet and 2 why would they talk about xpac stuff to us when there's at least an entire season of LW before it (and we tend to get xpac news at the end of the preceding season)

    We heard that an expac is in the works shortly after HoT, and it got confirmed later on when MO mentioned expac team. That was a loong time before any official mention of PoF. SInce PoF however Anet has been curiously silent on the issue - the only definite statement we've heard so far has been negative.

    so to me there's no reason for anet to talk about it or not be working on it

    They were trying to reassure players that all is well with the game even after layoffs. Mentioning expac would have been one of the best ways to do that. As i see it, the only reason why they wouldn't do that is if no expac was actually being worked on at this point.
    It doesn't mean they haven't started working on one since, or that they won;t start working on one in near future, but that would push any possible release date to late 2021/early 2022 at best.

    Also, they clearly mentioned that their plan is to develop the game (and introduce features) through living world releases. That also doesn;t sound to me like them plannig for a future expac.

    The whole point of a social game is to play with the people you want to play with, not be forced to play with the people you don't.

  • derd.6413derd.6413 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Astralporing.1957 said:

    @derd.6413 said:
    except 1. xpacs are a big money maker for anet and 2 why would they talk about xpac stuff to us when there's at least an entire season of LW before it (and we tend to get xpac news at the end of the preceding season)

    We heard that an expac is in the works shortly after HoT, and it got confirmed later on when MO mentioned expac team. That was a loong time before any official mention of PoF. SInce PoF however Anet has been curiously silent on the issue - the only definite statement we've heard so far has been negative.

    i always thought the xpac team discussion was more in response to the massive content droughts around HoT

    so to me there's no reason for anet to talk about it or not be working on it

    They were trying to reassure players that all is well with the game even after layoffs. Mentioning expac would have been one of the best ways to do that. As i see it, the only reason why they wouldn't do that is if no expac was actually being worked on at this point.
    It doesn't mean they haven't started working on one since, or that they won;t start working on one in near future, but that would push any possible release date to late 2021/early 2022 at best.

    Also, they clearly mentioned that their plan is to develop the game (and introduce features) through living world releases. That also doesn;t sound to me like them plannig for a future expac.

    to me everything points to anet wanting more time beween xpacs rather then it's cancellation (when i say making xpacs i don't mean they're already programming it, more early design developments like espec ideas, what xpac seller to use, that sort of thing) but the big thing i'm trying to get across is we don't know what anet is up to with xpacs and proclaiming that anet has cancelled all development on them is baseless negativity.

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  • DeathPanel.8362DeathPanel.8362 Member ✭✭
    edited June 15, 2019

    A new race brings very few things to the table. It's essentially a skin wrapped around existing professions. On the other hand ANET would need to develop a whole personal story for this new race for every profession. It would also need to do all the attack and skill animations for this new race for every existing profession and specialization. It would also need to do the graphics for all the armor sets worn by this new race across all equipment types. It would be too much extra work with very little pay off.

  • Astralporing.1957Astralporing.1957 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited June 16, 2019

    @derd.6413 said:

    @Astralporing.1957 said:

    @derd.6413 said:
    except 1. xpacs are a big money maker for anet and 2 why would they talk about xpac stuff to us when there's at least an entire season of LW before it (and we tend to get xpac news at the end of the preceding season)

    We heard that an expac is in the works shortly after HoT, and it got confirmed later on when MO mentioned expac team. That was a loong time before any official mention of PoF. SInce PoF however Anet has been curiously silent on the issue - the only definite statement we've heard so far has been negative.

    i always thought the xpac team discussion was more in response to the massive content droughts around HoT

    The first mention was very shortly after HoT, so before content drought became an issue.

    to me everything points to anet wanting more time beween xpacs rather then it's cancellation

    Yes, sure, them saying that they think they can move the game forward through living world points to them wanting to do expacs. Them not mentioning a word about expacs when they talked about the future of the game, when they mentioned things they themselves said were at best on a far away wish list, and not even worked on, is them planning to do another expac.[/sarcasm]

    but the big thing i'm trying to get across is we don't know what anet is up to with xpacs and proclaiming that anet has cancelled all development on them is baseless negativity.

    It's not baseless. It is based on what Anet said. It's actually the opposite - there is no basis whatsoever to assume they are working now, or planning to work on another expac.
    Yes, we do not know for certain, but currently there's far more pointing to them not doing another expac than to them doing one.

    The whole point of a social game is to play with the people you want to play with, not be forced to play with the people you don't.

  • Ben K.6238Ben K.6238 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Just regarding the "we aren't working on an expansion" thing - that comment was before the non-GW2 projects got cut, and because S5 was already in production, it will naturally be what comes next.

    But it's entirely possible that the events of February might change their minds regarding what happens after S5.

  • @Healix.5819 said:
    If they were going to add a new race, they would want something with a major wow-factor, something that would sell the game and get people talking. Tengu would only end up as one of the least played races. Although they've obviously left the Tengu open as an option, they would likely go with something not currently in the game. For example, they would never do this, but having Aurene continue to amass power, take on a hybrid human form and found a new nation/race with the unique racial of built-in gliding/skyscale would sell a lot better.

    Something to talk about. How about Tengu get to fly natively. That would make them the most played race.

  • @Nol Fran Shee.1285 said:

    @Healix.5819 said:
    If they were going to add a new race, they would want something with a major wow-factor, something that would sell the game and get people talking. Tengu would only end up as one of the least played races. Although they've obviously left the Tengu open as an option, they would likely go with something not currently in the game. For example, they would never do this, but having Aurene continue to amass power, take on a hybrid human form and found a new nation/race with the unique racial of built-in gliding/skyscale would sell a lot better.

    Something to talk about. How about Tengu get to fly natively. That would make them the most played race.

    Putting aside weight/wings size ratio, they are flightless per lore.

    [Tengu] are a unique species of avian humanoids found in both Tyria and Cantha. Females are generally larger than males of the species, though their plumage is plainer, even drab. Tengu lost the ability of flight some time in the distant past, but can use their almost human hands to wield all manner of weapons—when they want to. Their talons make most weapons superfluous. Tengu hate cooked food, and most live on a diet of fresh, raw meat.

    Be careful what you ask for
    ANet might give it to you.

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  • leon.5364leon.5364 Member ✭✭
    edited June 16, 2019

    there is so much idea to put tengu as playable tonic combats.arenanet.you could put a tonic combats tengu as one rewards of event or a event festives like the festives of the four wind or why not adding a fractal who take past of tengu accord ? and add achievement to unlock tengu tonic combats that would be a interesting idea too. the tengu accord was this quest in guild wars 1 https://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/The_Tengu_Accords

  • derd.6413derd.6413 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Astralporing.1957 said:

    @derd.6413 said:

    @Astralporing.1957 said:

    @derd.6413 said:
    except 1. xpacs are a big money maker for anet and 2 why would they talk about xpac stuff to us when there's at least an entire season of LW before it (and we tend to get xpac news at the end of the preceding season)

    We heard that an expac is in the works shortly after HoT, and it got confirmed later on when MO mentioned expac team. That was a loong time before any official mention of PoF. SInce PoF however Anet has been curiously silent on the issue - the only definite statement we've heard so far has been negative.

    i always thought the xpac team discussion was more in response to the massive content droughts around HoT

    The first mention was very shortly after HoT, so before content drought became an issue.

    there was a content drought befre Hot which already was an issue

    to me everything points to anet wanting more time beween xpacs rather then it's cancellation

    Yes, sure, them saying that they think they can move the game forward through living world points to them wanting to do expacs. Them not mentioning a word about expacs when they talked about the future of the game, when they mentioned things they themselves said were at best on a far away wish list, and not even worked on, is them planning to do another expac.[/sarcasm]

    but the big thing i'm trying to get across is we don't know what anet is up to with xpacs and proclaiming that anet has cancelled all development on them is baseless negativity.

    It's not baseless. It is based on what Anet said. It's actually the opposite - there is no basis whatsoever to assume they are working now, or planning to work on another expac.
    Yes, we do not know for certain, but currently there's far more pointing to them not doing another expac than to them doing one.

    there isn't, silence doesn't mean cancellation (which is what ppl are saying) obviously something changed in how anet makes their xpacs but that doesn't mean they're not working on it.

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  • Zohane.7208Zohane.7208 Member ✭✭✭

    @derd.6413 said:
    there isn't, silence doesn't mean cancellation (which is what ppl are saying) obviously something changed in how anet makes their xpacs but that doesn't mean they're not working on it.

    The way I interpret silence is that nothing of importance has changed so there's nothing to talk about. I most certainly don't interpret it as an indication that the policy and direction has changed so they're now working on something (expansion) that they've clearly stated it's not their current way forward. If/when this changes I expect that Anet will be excited enough about it that they will come out and tell us about it.

  • derd.6413derd.6413 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Zohane.7208 said:

    @derd.6413 said:
    there isn't, silence doesn't mean cancellation (which is what ppl are saying) obviously something changed in how anet makes their xpacs but that doesn't mean they're not working on it.

    The way I interpret silence is that nothing of importance has changed so there's nothing to talk about. I most certainly don't interpret it as an indication that the policy and direction has changed so they're now working on something (expansion) that they've clearly stated it's not their current way forward. If/when this changes I expect that Anet will be excited enough about it that they will come out and tell us about it.

    just because anet wants to put more focus on LW doesn't mean they've stopped working on xpacs.

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  • mindcircus.1506mindcircus.1506 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Zohane.7208 said:

    @derd.6413 said:
    there isn't, silence doesn't mean cancellation (which is what ppl are saying) obviously something changed in how anet makes their xpacs but that doesn't mean they're not working on it.

    The way I interpret silence is that nothing of importance has changed so there's nothing to talk about. I most certainly don't interpret it as an indication that the policy and direction has changed so they're now working on something (expansion) that they've clearly stated it's not their current way forward. If/when this changes I expect that Anet will be excited enough about it that they will come out and tell us about it.

    that sure is a lot to infer from silence.

  • Etria.3642Etria.3642 Member ✭✭✭✭

    I still think they need to really think hard about whether anew expat would help or hinder.

    Currently they charge for HOT and POF and if you haven't logged in during a lw episode then that too. So a brand new player has to fork over a lot. Adding yet another expac adds even more to that.

    They will need to decide whether to bundle some of those to make it more palatable or perhaps the more steady income from the gemstore along with nice lw stories and perks is adequate to continue production.

    In do NOT believe a new race or Can the would drive an expac; I DO believe it would drive a return along with driving purchases of related skins.

    IE: returning player: hey I can just login and play! (Maybe buying POF if they haven't already) ooo look shiny.
    New player: huh this looks cool. Expacs on sale..yeah, sure, I can do that.
    New expac: eh. I will go back to playing final fantasy. That's way too much to invest.

    All is just my opinion of course and bundling would solve some of this.

  • Squirrel.6318Squirrel.6318 Member ✭✭✭

    We need a new race bad. Think about it, compare beta or vanilla to where we are now, barely anything has changed. We need a drastic change. This means new race and new weapons. And GvG. It's a joke how the game is called "Guild Wars" but we have no GvG.

  • leon.5364leon.5364 Member ✭✭

    if you have see much auric map the quetzal tengu who are exiled here have nice skin and feather.for sure tengu of heart of thorn model have beautiful looking.as too for the tengu we have in the hall guild.with those model we can find.which one is perfect to be add as tonic combats.mmh maybe why not adding a tonic combats tengu of the model same as the vendor tengu of the hall guild.https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/c/c9/Kensho_Arrowsoul.jpg

  • AlexxxDelta.1806AlexxxDelta.1806 Member ✭✭✭

    @derd.6413 said:

    @Zohane.7208 said:

    @derd.6413 said:
    there isn't, silence doesn't mean cancellation (which is what ppl are saying) obviously something changed in how anet makes their xpacs but that doesn't mean they're not working on it.

    The way I interpret silence is that nothing of importance has changed so there's nothing to talk about. I most certainly don't interpret it as an indication that the policy and direction has changed so they're now working on something (expansion) that they've clearly stated it's not their current way forward. If/when this changes I expect that Anet will be excited enough about it that they will come out and tell us about it.

    just because anet wants to put more focus on LW doesn't mean they've stopped working on xpacs.

    "The Living World of Guild Wars 2 is a great way for us to accomplish all of that. It’s the best way to provide our player community with regular content updates—great features, new horizons to explore, and an engaging story that brings our world and characters to life—without charging a subscription fee."

    I don't see him mentioning LW as one of the ways to do content delivery. It is explicitly mentioned as the best way. That would have been really weird phrasing if they were indeed about to start working on an xpac. I mean, studios usually aren't in the business of selling their expansions short. Just like the expansion-like LS5 mention earlier, would have also been nonsensical if they were planning on an expansion. Because why have an expansion-like LS when you can have an expansion-like...expansion?

    They are also not in the business of hiding their work on one, like some top secret area 51 kitten. Leaks come early and from various sources, hype is a powerful marketing tool. Sometimes when it looks like a duck and quacks like one, it's safe to assume it's a duck.

    All that discussion in this thread could have been avoided if OP didn't use an imaginary expansion as a fundamentally flawed argument for Tengu. Nothing forbids Anet to add a new race via LW or any other means.

  • derd.6413derd.6413 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited June 17, 2019

    @AlexxxDelta.1806 said:

    @derd.6413 said:

    @Zohane.7208 said:

    @derd.6413 said:
    there isn't, silence doesn't mean cancellation (which is what ppl are saying) obviously something changed in how anet makes their xpacs but that doesn't mean they're not working on it.

    The way I interpret silence is that nothing of importance has changed so there's nothing to talk about. I most certainly don't interpret it as an indication that the policy and direction has changed so they're now working on something (expansion) that they've clearly stated it's not their current way forward. If/when this changes I expect that Anet will be excited enough about it that they will come out and tell us about it.

    just because anet wants to put more focus on LW doesn't mean they've stopped working on xpacs.

    "The Living World of Guild Wars 2 is a great way for us to accomplish all of that. It’s the best way to provide our player community with regular content updates—great features, new horizons to explore, and an engaging story that brings our world and characters to life—without charging a subscription fee."

    I don't see him mentioning LW as one of the ways to do content delivery. It is explicitly mentioned as the best way. That would have been really weird phrasing if they were indeed about to start working on an xpac. I mean, studios usually aren't in the business of selling their expansions short. Just like the expansion-like LS5 mention earlier, would have also been nonsensical if they were planning on an expansion. Because why have an expansion-like LS when you can have an expansion-like...expansion?

    just because anet wants to put more focus on LW doesn't mean they've stopped working on xpacs.
    also the best way for regular content updates and they also aren't "in the business" of selling their regular updates short. and they never said that LW would replace xpacs just that they want LW to have xpac quality content (and no, that's not "basically the same thing")

    They are also not in the business of hiding their work on one, like some top secret area 51 kitten. Leaks come early and from various sources, hype is a powerful marketing tool. Sometimes when it looks like a duck and quacks like one, it's safe to assume it's a duck.

    except xpacs are at least more then a year away (which also doesn't mean they're not working on them) and companies don't want leaks to happen out of their control and to early.

    nothing of what you've said means the cancellation of xpacs

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  • kharmin.7683kharmin.7683 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Squirrel.6318 said:
    We need a new race bad. Think about it, compare beta or vanilla to where we are now, barely anything has changed. We need a drastic change. This means new race and new weapons. And GvG. It's a joke how the game is called "Guild Wars" but we have no GvG.

    Want and need are different things. You may want a new race or think that you want drastic change, and that's fine; however, that doesn't mean that your desires are things that are crucially needed to keep the game alive.

    As for GvG and "Guild Wars", it was stated way back in the beginning that the game's name was kept for the franchise aspect and not for game-play.

    I am a very casual player.
    Very.
    Casual.

  • maddoctor.2738maddoctor.2738 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Squirrel.6318 said:
    We need a new race bad. Think about it, compare beta or vanilla to where we are now, barely anything has changed. We need a drastic change. This means new race and new weapons. And GvG. It's a joke how the game is called "Guild Wars" but we have no GvG.

    Did you miss things like gliding and mounts?

  • AlexxxDelta.1806AlexxxDelta.1806 Member ✭✭✭
    edited June 17, 2019

    @derd.6413 said:

    @AlexxxDelta.1806 said:

    @derd.6413 said:

    @Zohane.7208 said:

    @derd.6413 said:
    there isn't, silence doesn't mean cancellation (which is what ppl are saying) obviously something changed in how anet makes their xpacs but that doesn't mean they're not working on it.

    The way I interpret silence is that nothing of importance has changed so there's nothing to talk about. I most certainly don't interpret it as an indication that the policy and direction has changed so they're now working on something (expansion) that they've clearly stated it's not their current way forward. If/when this changes I expect that Anet will be excited enough about it that they will come out and tell us about it.

    just because anet wants to put more focus on LW doesn't mean they've stopped working on xpacs.

    "The Living World of Guild Wars 2 is a great way for us to accomplish all of that. It’s the best way to provide our player community with regular content updates—great features, new horizons to explore, and an engaging story that brings our world and characters to life—without charging a subscription fee."

    I don't see him mentioning LW as one of the ways to do content delivery. It is explicitly mentioned as the best way. That would have been really weird phrasing if they were indeed about to start working on an xpac. I mean, studios usually aren't in the business of selling their expansions short. Just like the expansion-like LS5 mention earlier, would have also been nonsensical if they were planning on an expansion. Because why have an expansion-like LS when you can have an expansion-like...expansion?

    just because anet wants to put more focus on LW doesn't mean they've stopped working on xpacs.
    also the best way for regular content updates and they also aren't "in the business" of selling their regular updates short. and they never said that LW would replace xpacs just that they want LW to have xpac quality content (and no, that's not "basically the same thing")

    They are also not in the business of hiding their work on one, like some top secret area 51 kitten. Leaks come early and from various sources, hype is a powerful marketing tool. Sometimes when it looks like a duck and quacks like one, it's safe to assume it's a duck.

    except xpacs are at least more then a year away (which also doesn't mean they're not working on them) and companies don't want leaks to happen out of their control and to early.

    nothing of what you've said means the cancellation of xpacs

    Everything I posted shows they are going with LW instead of expansion model for the foreseeable future, much like their original plan for the game before they changed it with HoT. Since you are claiming they are still on the expansion + LW model, I would like you to provide the relevant sources. In the absence of these sources, your claim is the definition of baseless. And since this is getting off-topic it's pointless to continue this debate, so I will leave it at that. Battling denial is not the most constructive use of time and thread space anyway.

  • derd.6413derd.6413 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited June 17, 2019

    @AlexxxDelta.1806 said:

    @derd.6413 said:

    @AlexxxDelta.1806 said:

    @derd.6413 said:

    @Zohane.7208 said:

    @derd.6413 said:
    there isn't, silence doesn't mean cancellation (which is what ppl are saying) obviously something changed in how anet makes their xpacs but that doesn't mean they're not working on it.

    The way I interpret silence is that nothing of importance has changed so there's nothing to talk about. I most certainly don't interpret it as an indication that the policy and direction has changed so they're now working on something (expansion) that they've clearly stated it's not their current way forward. If/when this changes I expect that Anet will be excited enough about it that they will come out and tell us about it.

    just because anet wants to put more focus on LW doesn't mean they've stopped working on xpacs.

    "The Living World of Guild Wars 2 is a great way for us to accomplish all of that. It’s the best way to provide our player community with regular content updates—great features, new horizons to explore, and an engaging story that brings our world and characters to life—without charging a subscription fee."

    I don't see him mentioning LW as one of the ways to do content delivery. It is explicitly mentioned as the best way. That would have been really weird phrasing if they were indeed about to start working on an xpac. I mean, studios usually aren't in the business of selling their expansions short. Just like the expansion-like LS5 mention earlier, would have also been nonsensical if they were planning on an expansion. Because why have an expansion-like LS when you can have an expansion-like...expansion?

    just because anet wants to put more focus on LW doesn't mean they've stopped working on xpacs.
    also the best way for regular content updates and they also aren't "in the business" of selling their regular updates short. and they never said that LW would replace xpacs just that they want LW to have xpac quality content (and no, that's not "basically the same thing")

    They are also not in the business of hiding their work on one, like some top secret area 51 kitten. Leaks come early and from various sources, hype is a powerful marketing tool. Sometimes when it looks like a duck and quacks like one, it's safe to assume it's a duck.

    except xpacs are at least more then a year away (which also doesn't mean they're not working on them) and companies don't want leaks to happen out of their control and to early.

    nothing of what you've said means the cancellation of xpacs

    Everything I posted shows they are going with LW instead of expansion model for the foreseeable future, much like their original plan for the game before they changed it with HoT. Since you are claiming they are still on the expansion + LW model, I would like you to provide the relevant sources. In the absence of these sources, your claim is the definition of baseless. And since this is getting off-topic it's pointless to continue this debate, so I will leave it at that. Battling denial is not the most constructive use of time and thread space anyway.

    once again more focus on LW doesn't mean the end of xpacs. how hard is that to understand.

    my issue is not that anet is still one hundred percent working on the xpac, that was never my claim. my issue is ppl going around saying xpacs are canceled and will never return and that after season 5 the game will be put on maintenance mode like it's confirmed fact when in reality we don't know what the status of xpacs are and any conclusion drawn on the topic is purely speculation and assumptions.

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  • Zohane.7208Zohane.7208 Member ✭✭✭

    @derd.6413 said:

    @AlexxxDelta.1806 said:

    @derd.6413 said:

    @AlexxxDelta.1806 said:

    @derd.6413 said:

    @Zohane.7208 said:

    @derd.6413 said:
    there isn't, silence doesn't mean cancellation (which is what ppl are saying) obviously something changed in how anet makes their xpacs but that doesn't mean they're not working on it.

    The way I interpret silence is that nothing of importance has changed so there's nothing to talk about. I most certainly don't interpret it as an indication that the policy and direction has changed so they're now working on something (expansion) that they've clearly stated it's not their current way forward. If/when this changes I expect that Anet will be excited enough about it that they will come out and tell us about it.

    just because anet wants to put more focus on LW doesn't mean they've stopped working on xpacs.

    "The Living World of Guild Wars 2 is a great way for us to accomplish all of that. It’s the best way to provide our player community with regular content updates—great features, new horizons to explore, and an engaging story that brings our world and characters to life—without charging a subscription fee."

    I don't see him mentioning LW as one of the ways to do content delivery. It is explicitly mentioned as the best way. That would have been really weird phrasing if they were indeed about to start working on an xpac. I mean, studios usually aren't in the business of selling their expansions short. Just like the expansion-like LS5 mention earlier, would have also been nonsensical if they were planning on an expansion. Because why have an expansion-like LS when you can have an expansion-like...expansion?

    just because anet wants to put more focus on LW doesn't mean they've stopped working on xpacs.
    also the best way for regular content updates and they also aren't "in the business" of selling their regular updates short. and they never said that LW would replace xpacs just that they want LW to have xpac quality content (and no, that's not "basically the same thing")

    They are also not in the business of hiding their work on one, like some top secret area 51 kitten. Leaks come early and from various sources, hype is a powerful marketing tool. Sometimes when it looks like a duck and quacks like one, it's safe to assume it's a duck.

    except xpacs are at least more then a year away (which also doesn't mean they're not working on them) and companies don't want leaks to happen out of their control and to early.

    nothing of what you've said means the cancellation of xpacs

    Everything I posted shows they are going with LW instead of expansion model for the foreseeable future, much like their original plan for the game before they changed it with HoT. Since you are claiming they are still on the expansion + LW model, I would like you to provide the relevant sources. In the absence of these sources, your claim is the definition of baseless. And since this is getting off-topic it's pointless to continue this debate, so I will leave it at that. Battling denial is not the most constructive use of time and thread space anyway.

    once again more focus on LW doesn't mean the end of xpacs. how hard is that to understand.

    my issue is not that anet is still one hundred percent working on the xpac, that was never my claim. my issue is ppl going around saying xpacs are canceled and will never return and that after season 5 the game will be put on maintenance mode like it's confirmed fact when in reality we don't know what the status of xpacs are and any conclusion drawn on the topic is purely speculation and assumptions.

    Ok, what we actually know is this: Anet have, quite specifically, stated that they are currently working through LS/LW and not through expansions. I would say that this is a fact.

    I agree with you that it does not mean that expansions are never happening, and that Anet have never stated this.
    The fact that some people state as fact that GW2 will go on maintenance mode or even end after LS5 is something I brush off as the usual doom-and-gloom that so many seem to enjoy revelling in.

  • sorudo.9054sorudo.9054 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @otto.5684 said:
    As others mentioned, there are a dozen of other Tengu threads.> @sorudo.9054 said:

    you know, i love it when ppl talk about solid cases while having nothing but a baseless idea.
    1. tengu don't exist in cantha.
    2. cantha isn't happening, not soon, not ever.
    3. there are so many other more worthwhile races to be added and more ways to add new races (without conflicts).

    "cantha isn't happening, not soon, not ever," I do not think Cantha is the cards, but I won't say ever. We dunno what Anet plans.

    "there are so many other more worthwhile races to be added and more ways to add new races (without conflicts)," like which race? If there is ever going to be a new race (unlikely) it will be Tengu, because:

    1) They already have an existing city in Tyria, bordering to low level maps.
    2) The race has to able to make work retroactively. Tengu location is close to Orr, which makes it easy to create a conflict with the Risen.
    3) Tengu already have a boat load of existing animation, so this should not be an extensive technical task.

    and now you're making my point exactly, it's requested so much it's already boring to even consider adding.
    come with something truly unique, a race that doesn't have the restrictive kind of lore tengu has and has a free and flexible backstory to play around with.

  • derd.6413derd.6413 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited June 17, 2019

    @Zohane.7208 said:

    @derd.6413 said:

    @AlexxxDelta.1806 said:

    @derd.6413 said:

    @AlexxxDelta.1806 said:

    @derd.6413 said:

    @Zohane.7208 said:

    @derd.6413 said:
    there isn't, silence doesn't mean cancellation (which is what ppl are saying) obviously something changed in how anet makes their xpacs but that doesn't mean they're not working on it.

    The way I interpret silence is that nothing of importance has changed so there's nothing to talk about. I most certainly don't interpret it as an indication that the policy and direction has changed so they're now working on something (expansion) that they've clearly stated it's not their current way forward. If/when this changes I expect that Anet will be excited enough about it that they will come out and tell us about it.

    just because anet wants to put more focus on LW doesn't mean they've stopped working on xpacs.

    "The Living World of Guild Wars 2 is a great way for us to accomplish all of that. It’s the best way to provide our player community with regular content updates—great features, new horizons to explore, and an engaging story that brings our world and characters to life—without charging a subscription fee."

    I don't see him mentioning LW as one of the ways to do content delivery. It is explicitly mentioned as the best way. That would have been really weird phrasing if they were indeed about to start working on an xpac. I mean, studios usually aren't in the business of selling their expansions short. Just like the expansion-like LS5 mention earlier, would have also been nonsensical if they were planning on an expansion. Because why have an expansion-like LS when you can have an expansion-like...expansion?

    just because anet wants to put more focus on LW doesn't mean they've stopped working on xpacs.
    also the best way for regular content updates and they also aren't "in the business" of selling their regular updates short. and they never said that LW would replace xpacs just that they want LW to have xpac quality content (and no, that's not "basically the same thing")

    They are also not in the business of hiding their work on one, like some top secret area 51 kitten. Leaks come early and from various sources, hype is a powerful marketing tool. Sometimes when it looks like a duck and quacks like one, it's safe to assume it's a duck.

    except xpacs are at least more then a year away (which also doesn't mean they're not working on them) and companies don't want leaks to happen out of their control and to early.

    nothing of what you've said means the cancellation of xpacs

    Everything I posted shows they are going with LW instead of expansion model for the foreseeable future, much like their original plan for the game before they changed it with HoT. Since you are claiming they are still on the expansion + LW model, I would like you to provide the relevant sources. In the absence of these sources, your claim is the definition of baseless. And since this is getting off-topic it's pointless to continue this debate, so I will leave it at that. Battling denial is not the most constructive use of time and thread space anyway.

    once again more focus on LW doesn't mean the end of xpacs. how hard is that to understand.

    my issue is not that anet is still one hundred percent working on the xpac, that was never my claim. my issue is ppl going around saying xpacs are canceled and will never return and that after season 5 the game will be put on maintenance mode like it's confirmed fact when in reality we don't know what the status of xpacs are and any conclusion drawn on the topic is purely speculation and assumptions.

    Ok, what we actually know is this: Anet have, quite specifically, stated that they are currently working through LS/LW and not through expansions. I would say that this is a fact.

    I agree with you that it does not mean that expansions are never happening, and that Anet have never stated this.
    The fact that some people state as fact that GW2 will go on maintenance mode or even end after LS5 is something I brush off as the usual doom-and-gloom that so many seem to enjoy revelling in.

    they never said they weren't working on xpacs, they said nothing about them and ppl are interpreting that silence as they're not doing anything. what is fact is that LW is their primary focus.

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  • @Zohane.7208 said:

    @derd.6413 said:

    @Zohane.7208 said:

    @zealex.9410 said:
    Can someone tell me where we got the info of not only an expansion being in the works but also of it taking place in cantha.

    no expansion is currently being planned, or at least not worked on.

    just because they went from season 4 to 5 doesn't mean they're not working on an xpac

    It's in this article: https://mmorpg.com/guild-wars-2/columns/guild-wars-2-more-than-just-a-damage-number-1000013464#PX8XQz63Ol0dTtvM.99

    "Back in 2018, Mike Z sat down with us at Gamescom and revealed that Guild Wars 2 would not get a third expansion, at least not any time soon."

    Sure, it's an interpretation of mine, but I think it seems to suggest they're not actively working on one.

    To clarify, if an expac were released after only six episodes Season 5, that would put us at around November 2021, which is "not any time soon" compared to the end of 2018, when the interview took place.

    Plus, it's unclear what impact NCSOFT's financial status in 2019 might have had on plans that ANet had in 2018.

    or tl;dr
    I think it's safe to say that no expac will be released in 2019 or 2020 or 2021; I don't think we have enough data to speculate about ANet's plans for 2022 (and they seem to have at least 5-6 years worth of planning on the books at any given time).

    Hype is the path to the dark side. Hype leads to unfulfilled expectations. Disappointment leads to anger. Anger leads to disgust. Disgust leads to "oh, new shinies! I'm back!"

  • zealex.9410zealex.9410 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Illconceived Was Na.9781 said:

    @Zohane.7208 said:

    @derd.6413 said:

    @Zohane.7208 said:

    @zealex.9410 said:
    Can someone tell me where we got the info of not only an expansion being in the works but also of it taking place in cantha.

    no expansion is currently being planned, or at least not worked on.

    just because they went from season 4 to 5 doesn't mean they're not working on an xpac

    It's in this article: https://mmorpg.com/guild-wars-2/columns/guild-wars-2-more-than-just-a-damage-number-1000013464#PX8XQz63Ol0dTtvM.99

    "Back in 2018, Mike Z sat down with us at Gamescom and revealed that Guild Wars 2 would not get a third expansion, at least not any time soon."

    Sure, it's an interpretation of mine, but I think it seems to suggest they're not actively working on one.

    To clarify, if an expac were released after only six episodes Season 5, that would put us at around November 2021, which is "not any time soon" compared to the end of 2018, when the interview took place.

    Plus, it's unclear what impact NCSOFT's financial status in 2019 might have had on plans that ANet had in 2018.

    or tl;dr
    I think it's safe to say that no expac will be released in 2019 or 2020 or 2021; I don't think we have enough data to speculate about ANet's plans for 2022 (and they seem to have at least 5-6 years worth of planning on the books at any given time).

    Depending who u ask, for all we know se4 might've been originally planned as the last season.

  • @zealex.9410 said:
    Depending who u ask, for all we know se4 might've been originally planned as the last season.

    We know that SE4 was not planned as the final season... because S5 is going to start pretty soon. It was (a) announced well before the layoffs which (b) required writing and design to have started a long time ago.

    Now it's true that we mostly know very little. It's conceivable that an earlier plan had Expac #3 before LS5, it's just more likely that they've been restructuring towards releasing more features via LS than they used to, because of the amount of lead time that requires.

    Hype is the path to the dark side. Hype leads to unfulfilled expectations. Disappointment leads to anger. Anger leads to disgust. Disgust leads to "oh, new shinies! I'm back!"

  • Astralporing.1957Astralporing.1957 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @derd.6413 said:
    they never said they weren't working on xpacs

    They never said they were working on one (past PoF) either. The only mention of a third expac was when they said "you won't see one in foreseeable future" a year ago.

    The whole point of a social game is to play with the people you want to play with, not be forced to play with the people you don't.

  • derd.6413derd.6413 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited June 17, 2019

    @Astralporing.1957 said:

    @derd.6413 said:
    they never said they weren't working on xpacs

    They never said they were working on one (past PoF) either. The only mention of a third expac was when they said "you won't see one in foreseeable future" a year ago.

    neither am i claiming they did, it's up in the air what the status of xpacs are

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  • leon.5364leon.5364 Member ✭✭
    edited June 17, 2019

    if making tengu as playable race is the problem why not add a tengu tonic combats ? that something still possible and will end 6 year of waiting to play as them.as i say the last model of from heart of thorn seem better choice to be a good selection for a combats tonic.here my selection idea of tengu with a good model for combats tonic
    https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/d/d5/Champion_Quetzal_Commander.jpg https://i.redd.it/eh5vjgpekqk11.jpg https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/4/40/Champion_Asai_Deftclaw.jpg i say again perhaps i bother by repeat that idea but this waiting of 6 year must end soon enough we wait tengu be playable as race or a tonic combats for those year and we for now get nothing just nothing.if playable race is impossible to do for arenanet at least please.add a tonic combats tengu end this all waiting year. :'(

  • zealex.9410zealex.9410 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Illconceived Was Na.9781 said:

    @zealex.9410 said:
    Depending who u ask, for all we know se4 might've been originally planned as the last season.

    We know that SE4 was not planned as the final season... because S5 is going to start pretty soon. It was (a) announced well before the layoffs which (b) required writing and design to have started a long time ago.

    That doesnt really disprove my claim, yes now we are getting season 5 but season 5 was announced 2 episodes before the end of season 4, as opposed to pof being announced to be in the works before we even got se3 at the time.

    They would have required to basics and a general overview of the plot but thats not really the same as having the story down and all its big and small details.

  • Ben K.6238Ben K.6238 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @sorudo.9054 said:
    and now you're making my point exactly, it's requested so much it's already boring to even consider adding.
    come with something truly unique, a race that doesn't have the restrictive kind of lore tengu has and has a free and flexible backstory to play around with.

    Mounts were requested a lot more; were they boring when they got added?

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