Nerf Mantra Mesmers and Revenants

praqtos.9035 · June 15, 2019

@Megametzler.5729 said:
@praqtos.9035 said:
@Megametzler.5729 said:Please don't nerf power mesmer. It is more or less fine as it is, minor changes for more fun to play and play against would be nice (CI, damage mantra...). It can be countered easily - with sage's weaver, I have no issues with them. More so with revenants, but I think, everybody thinks they need minor nerfs - better than buffing condi to counter them, probably.
Apart from that, wow, I agree with mostly everything @"bravan.3876" says.Weavers are one of the classes that extremely unfun to fight against: lots of evades,sustain,stability (burns/lrod) despite it not being meta level. (...)

I should've said "relevant skill activation" and "not randomly spammable". :smile: I would agree weaver should get changes, but right now, I am just happy it doesn't get nerfed too harshly every patch anymore.

But let's not focus too much on weaver in this thread. I'd be happy to discuss those problems in another thread though!Nerfs/changes/rework on CI/LT are welcomed when they compensate its loss. Enough of useless/dead traitsGreatsword on the mesmer need a rework, not just buff/nerfs. So its shifted from burst shatter and create a new way to play weapon/class.

viquing.8254 · June 15, 2019

@bravan.3876 said:
@"viquing.8254" said:
Power Block is a very balanced trait, the dmg is not high enough to be even near as broken. The only traits need a nerf because they are op in their effects and make Mantra of Distraction rewarding even when only random spammed without interrupting or only interrupting autoattacks are CI and Lost Time. Mantra of Distraction with Powerblock is balanced and only rewards mindful interrupts on more than only autoattacks enough to be worth taking.

Have you ever try to rupt in a cele meta ?I mean a 0.25 sec decaled rupt failed and you are facing opponent under stab/aegis/cele.And even when you rupt someone with CI and Lost time what he does is 1 clic dispell and your calculated rupt is nullyfy with random dispell rotation. (Not even count the attacks that can't be rupt because 3 effects in 1.)And stop saying things like playing well in a lockbuil when the risk.investment in trait can be countered by simple condiclear. Show me where are the "skilled" players to argue please.

What? Did you even understand what i said? I said Powerblock is balanced in terms of the reward it gives. It is not too high dmg it is only on interrupts and it is only rewarding enough when you are able to interrupt big skills and not only random interrupting autoattacks. That is why i said an interrupt build only using Powerblock is balanced, has a very high skill ceiling and is in disadvantage vs most other builds in this game even when played very well.

Lost Time and CI are broken and have a very low skill ceiling and skill floor, they both give way too much reward (too much dmg + slow from Lost Time and an op immob. +might stacking without ICD on CI), so you either doesn't even need to interrupt something to proc it (Lost Time) or the reward is so strong that you don't need to care for what you interrupt, autoattacks are more then enough (CI). They make mesmer way easier and for that noobfriendlier to play. Chaosline in addition also applies forgiving sustain, which is more or less passive because it doesn't effect your active gameplay. These are the big differences to Powerblock. Simple facts.

That there are other classes with builds even lamer and easier to play than a CI chaosline Powermes is a different story. Both should not exist in terms of getting a game that can separate good from bad players, in terms of getting a way less braindead meta. Balance isn't rly that hard: The easier a build is to play the less rewarding it should be even when played well and the more forgiving facetank ability a build has the less dmg it should make. In both points Anet always failed the balance. All the bruiser have way too much sustain for the dmg they do. And easy builds are often also the strongest (otherwise tell me the logic in Lost Time being able to crit, makes in general way more dmg than powerblock, apllies slow what is way more annoying than weakness, has better synergy with the interrupt nature because it makes interrupting easier but doesn't even need an interrupt to proc? Why is a trait with a higher reward easier to play?).In the current meta we have builds are good in everything. Just taking Holo as example it has good facetank ability (less than a war but still too much for the dmg it can do), high resustain ability even can be covered by stabi and stealth, high amount of aoe cc, perma mini burst (a lot even aoe) and good mobility. Holo could be a skillful class if it would be less broken and would have higher cd on keyskills. Atm a bad Holo doesn't even get punished for braindead skill spam because the cds are so low. Anet needs to reduce power creep all over the board and the sustain creep in the same moment. That is why i get cancer when i read dmg increased on skill x in the patch nodes. There is not a single skill in this game need a dmg increase atm. Every unused skill might get viable already by nerfing everything broken into the ground where it belongs.

I understand what you say and disagree about the : "CI+ lost time easy to play whereas power block is skilled.I'm sorry but did you play lockdown against other class than necro ?Basically if you time your rupt and wait for the opponent to use a key skill : the opponnent will just keep his stab/teleport/los to cast the keyskill.So yeah you may find burning CC on auto bad but you haven't really the choice if you want the opponenent to use his counter CC skills before you can rupt the good one.CI is far to be OP : it's basically the condi version of powerblock apart that it can be dispell instantly bt most builds so the reward with CI+LOst time is worst than with the domination line with PB + CS.The skillfloor of PB+CS is under the skillfloor of CI+Lost time and not the reverse. What are you even writing like of CI proc when no interruptions ?About Lost time alone, it was a dead trait since it's realease. only now it can littlecompete with chronophantasma.

They make mesmer way easier and for that noobfriendlier to play. Chaosline in addition also applies forgiving sustain, which is more or less passive because it doesn't effect your active gameplay. These are the big differences to Powerblock. Simple facts.Ho commong, you want passive ? Look at passive immob/cripple/weakness on thief, passive unstealth on holo, random aoe CC on holo/scourge, SB, 4on 1 skill like bullcharge and so on.In which world a trait who make a clic activation does average 1k and proc slow is passive in the current environnement. Wake up !
That there are other classes with builds even lamer and easier to play than a CI chaosline Powermes is a different story.Nonono It's not a different story because we face everyday this kind of pegi 4 class. And you can't remove one class a tool then maintain this on other.

I'm really angry when I read post like this who try to legitimate "subjective" point of view by saying it's facts.I will stay polite but I mainly disagree about what you say and your view of what is "skilling" or not.BTW lockdown builds are far to be rewarding considering the difficulty to calculate CC in a meta where many spec have cele or instnant skills. (And average cast time on important skill seems to be 0.25 sec...)Actually locks aren't efficient at all. (just 100% stunt on f3 is.)

BadMed.3846 · June 15, 2019

@bravan.3876 said:
@BadMed.3846 said:Mesmers always deserve a nerf as they never get under control. Nerf mantras please. And rev just got out of control, nerf it too.Fix the game Devs. C'mon.

These are clearly too many good arguments to not be convinced. Finally a post not just using some empty phrases and shine with game knowledge. The constructivity of this post is mindblowing. Good that these are the ppl anet is listening to when balancing.

Scroll to read the arguments. OP already made them.

bravan.3876 · June 15, 2019

@viquing.8254 said:
@bravan.3876 said:
@viquing.8254 said:
Power Block is a very balanced trait, the dmg is not high enough to be even near as broken. The only traits need a nerf because they are op in their effects and make Mantra of Distraction rewarding even when only random spammed without interrupting or only interrupting autoattacks are CI and Lost Time. Mantra of Distraction with Powerblock is balanced and only rewards mindful interrupts on more than only autoattacks enough to be worth taking.

Have you ever try to rupt in a cele meta ?I mean a 0.25 sec decaled rupt failed and you are facing opponent under stab/aegis/cele.And even when you rupt someone with CI and Lost time what he does is 1 clic dispell and your calculated rupt is nullyfy with random dispell rotation. (Not even count the attacks that can't be rupt because 3 effects in 1.)And stop saying things like playing well in a lockbuil when the risk.investment in trait can be countered by simple condiclear. Show me where are the "skilled" players to argue please.

What? Did you even understand what i said? I said Powerblock is balanced in terms of the reward it gives. It is not too high dmg it is only on interrupts and it is only rewarding enough when you are able to interrupt big skills and not only random interrupting autoattacks. That is why i said an interrupt build only using Powerblock is balanced, has a very high skill ceiling and is in disadvantage vs most other builds in this game even when played very well.

Lost Time and CI are broken and have a very low skill ceiling and skill floor, they both give way too much reward (too much dmg + slow from Lost Time and an op immob. +might stacking without ICD on CI), so you either doesn't even need to interrupt something to proc it (Lost Time) or the reward is so strong that you don't need to care for what you interrupt, autoattacks are more then enough (CI). They make mesmer way easier and for that noobfriendlier to play. Chaosline in addition also applies forgiving sustain, which is more or less passive because it doesn't effect your active gameplay. These are the big differences to Powerblock. Simple facts.

That there are other classes with builds even lamer and easier to play than a CI chaosline Powermes is a different story. Both should not exist in terms of getting a game that can separate good from bad players, in terms of getting a way less braindead meta. Balance isn't rly that hard: The easier a build is to play the less rewarding it should be even when played well and the more forgiving facetank ability a build has the less dmg it should make. In both points Anet always failed the balance. All the bruiser have way too much sustain for the dmg they do. And easy builds are often also the strongest (otherwise tell me the logic in Lost Time being able to crit, makes in general way more dmg than powerblock, apllies slow what is way more annoying than weakness, has better synergy with the interrupt nature because it makes interrupting easier but doesn't even need an interrupt to proc? Why is a trait with a higher reward easier to play?).In the current meta we have builds are good in everything. Just taking Holo as example it has good facetank ability (less than a war but still too much for the dmg it can do), high resustain ability even can be covered by stabi and stealth, high amount of aoe cc, perma mini burst (a lot even aoe) and good mobility. Holo could be a skillful class if it would be less broken and would have higher cd on keyskills. Atm a bad Holo doesn't even get punished for braindead skill spam because the cds are so low. Anet needs to reduce power creep all over the board and the sustain creep in the same moment. That is why i get cancer when i read dmg increased on skill x in the patch nodes. There is not a single skill in this game need a dmg increase atm. Every unused skill might get viable already by nerfing everything broken into the ground where it belongs.

I understand what you say and disagree about the : "CI+ lost time easy to play whereas power block is skilled.I'm sorry but did you play lockdown against other class than necro ?Basically if you

time your rupt

and wait for the opponent to use a key skill : the opponnent will just keep his stab/teleport/los to cast the keyskill.So yeah you may find burning CC on auto bad but you haven't really the choice if you want the opponenent to use his counter CC skills before you can rupt the good one.CI is far to be OP : it's basically the condi version of powerblock apart that it can be dispell instantly bt most builds so the reward with CI+LOst time is worst than with the domination line with PB + CS.

The skillfloor of PB+CS is under the skillfloor of CI+Lost time

and not the reverse. What are you even writing like of CI proc when no interruptions ?About Lost time alone, it was a dead trait since it's realease. only now it can littlecompete with chronophantasma.

They make mesmer way easier and for that noobfriendlier to play. Chaosline in addition also applies forgiving sustain, which is more or less passive because it doesn't effect your active gameplay. These are the big differences to Powerblock. Simple facts.Ho commong, you want passive ? Look at passive immob/cripple/weakness on thief, passive unstealth on holo, random aoe CC on holo/scourge, SB, 4on 1 skill like bullcharge and so on.In which world a trait who make a clic activation does average 1k and proc slow is passive in the current environnement. Wake up !
That there are other classes with builds even lamer and easier to play than a CI chaosline Powermes is a different story.Nonono It's not a different story because we face everyday this kind of pegi 4 class. And you can't remove one class a tool then maintain this on other.

I'm really angry when I read post like this who try to legitimate "subjective" point of view by saying it's facts.I will stay polite but I mainly disagree about what you say and your view of what is "skilling" or not.BTW lockdown builds are far to be rewarding considering the difficulty to calculate CC in a meta where many spec have cele or instnant skills. (And average cast time on important skill seems to be 0.25 sec...)Actually locks aren't efficient at all. (just 100% stunt on f3 is.)

Lets agree to disagree then, i argued pretty clear why powerblock is way more skilled than Lost Time and CI. You have more than enough time to interrupt all classes inbetween their cycle of stabi and aegis and ty to the amount of cc you have, you don't need to care for 1 or 2 stacks of stabi, you can remove the stabi stack with a cc chain if needed. Overall the stabi uptime is not too high to make an interrupt build unviable. And i am not crying about Mantra of Distraction being instant and ranged like a lot of clueless mesmer or mantra-hater would do. That Mantra of Distraction works like it does atm is pretty much needed for an interrupt build to make any sense. It is a skillful, reactive, interactive interrupt utility skill, as long as it is not compined with op effects from op traits. Powerblock is not op. I just say CI and Lost Time are overperforming and lower the skill ceiling and floor on mesmer remarkable, in particular compared to powerblock. I was talking to ppl crying about powerblock, telling them that this complain is stupid. So i am even more on your side than most ppl (most not mesmer mains) in this thread.

Also all big skills have enough casttime to interrupt them on purpose with Mantra of Distraction, there is no need for op traits like CI and Lost Time. Maybe you are too slow in your reaction time then? I don't know. Ofc meta builds need to get nerfed too in the same moment, not denying that. But just because other builds are op doesn't justify op stuff on mesmer. You clearly can play without being carried by Lost Time or CI when you are good enough. I agree that it is clearly hard to do and you need to be rly good compared to meta builds. But if you want an easy life mesmer shouldn't be your class choice at all. A class that has so much active outplay potential when played well should have a high skill floor and ceilling and no access to forgiving passive sustain or a lot of access to easy applied dmg/ strong effects like immob/ stun to not be broken as hell.

viquing.8254 · June 15, 2019

@bravan.3876 said:
@viquing.8254 said:
@bravan.3876 said:
@viquing.8254 said:
Power Block is a very balanced trait, the dmg is not high enough to be even near as broken. The only traits need a nerf because they are op in their effects and make Mantra of Distraction rewarding even when only random spammed without interrupting or only interrupting autoattacks are CI and Lost Time. Mantra of Distraction with Powerblock is balanced and only rewards mindful interrupts on more than only autoattacks enough to be worth taking.

Have you ever try to rupt in a cele meta ?I mean a 0.25 sec decaled rupt failed and you are facing opponent under stab/aegis/cele.And even when you rupt someone with CI and Lost time what he does is 1 clic dispell and your calculated rupt is nullyfy with random dispell rotation. (Not even count the attacks that can't be rupt because 3 effects in 1.)And stop saying things like playing well in a lockbuil when the risk.investment in trait can be countered by simple condiclear. Show me where are the "skilled" players to argue please.

What? Did you even understand what i said? I said Powerblock is balanced in terms of the reward it gives. It is not too high dmg it is only on interrupts and it is only rewarding enough when you are able to interrupt big skills and not only random interrupting autoattacks. That is why i said an interrupt build only using Powerblock is balanced, has a very high skill ceiling and is in disadvantage vs most other builds in this game even when played very well.

Lost Time and CI are broken and have a very low skill ceiling and skill floor, they both give way too much reward (too much dmg + slow from Lost Time and an op immob. +might stacking without ICD on CI), so you either doesn't even need to interrupt something to proc it (Lost Time) or the reward is so strong that you don't need to care for what you interrupt, autoattacks are more then enough (CI). They make mesmer way easier and for that noobfriendlier to play. Chaosline in addition also applies forgiving sustain, which is more or less passive because it doesn't effect your active gameplay. These are the big differences to Powerblock. Simple facts.

That there are other classes with builds even lamer and easier to play than a CI chaosline Powermes is a different story. Both should not exist in terms of getting a game that can separate good from bad players, in terms of getting a way less braindead meta. Balance isn't rly that hard: The easier a build is to play the less rewarding it should be even when played well and the more forgiving facetank ability a build has the less dmg it should make. In both points Anet always failed the balance. All the bruiser have way too much sustain for the dmg they do. And easy builds are often also the strongest (otherwise tell me the logic in Lost Time being able to crit, makes in general way more dmg than powerblock, apllies slow what is way more annoying than weakness, has better synergy with the interrupt nature because it makes interrupting easier but doesn't even need an interrupt to proc? Why is a trait with a higher reward easier to play?).In the current meta we have builds are good in everything. Just taking Holo as example it has good facetank ability (less than a war but still too much for the dmg it can do), high resustain ability even can be covered by stabi and stealth, high amount of aoe cc, perma mini burst (a lot even aoe) and good mobility. Holo could be a skillful class if it would be less broken and would have higher cd on keyskills. Atm a bad Holo doesn't even get punished for braindead skill spam because the cds are so low. Anet needs to reduce power creep all over the board and the sustain creep in the same moment. That is why i get cancer when i read dmg increased on skill x in the patch nodes. There is not a single skill in this game need a dmg increase atm. Every unused skill might get viable already by nerfing everything broken into the ground where it belongs.

I understand what you say and disagree about the : "CI+ lost time easy to play whereas power block is skilled.I'm sorry but did you play lockdown against other class than necro ?Basically if you

time your rupt

and wait for the opponent to use a key skill : the opponnent will just keep his stab/teleport/los to cast the keyskill.So yeah you may find burning CC on auto bad but you haven't really the choice if you want the opponenent to use his counter CC skills before you can rupt the good one.CI is far to be OP : it's basically the condi version of powerblock apart that it can be dispell instantly bt most builds so the reward with CI+LOst time is worst than with the domination line with PB + CS.

The skillfloor of PB+CS is under the skillfloor of CI+Lost time

and not the reverse. What are you even writing like of CI proc when no interruptions ?About Lost time alone, it was a dead trait since it's realease. only now it can littlecompete with chronophantasma.

They make mesmer way easier and for that noobfriendlier to play. Chaosline in addition also applies forgiving sustain, which is more or less passive because it doesn't effect your active gameplay. These are the big differences to Powerblock. Simple facts.Ho commong, you want passive ? Look at passive immob/cripple/weakness on thief, passive unstealth on holo, random aoe CC on holo/scourge, SB, 4on 1 skill like bullcharge and so on.In which world a trait who make a clic activation does average 1k and proc slow is passive in the current environnement. Wake up !
That there are other classes with builds even lamer and easier to play than a CI chaosline Powermes is a different story.Nonono It's not a different story because we face everyday this kind of pegi 4 class. And you can't remove one class a tool then maintain this on other.

I'm really angry when I read post like this who try to legitimate "subjective" point of view by saying it's facts.I will stay polite but I mainly disagree about what you say and your view of what is "skilling" or not.BTW lockdown builds are far to be rewarding considering the difficulty to calculate CC in a meta where many spec have cele or instnant skills. (And average cast time on important skill seems to be 0.25 sec...)Actually locks aren't efficient at all. (just 100% stunt on f3 is.)

Lets agree to disagree then, i argued pretty clear why powerblock is way more skilled than Lost Time and CI. You have more than enough time to interrupt all classes inbetween their cycle of stabi and aegis and ty to the amount of cc you have, you don't need to care for 1 or 2 stacks of stabi, you can remove the stabi stack with a cc chain if needed. Overall the stabi uptime is not too high to make an interrupt build unviable. And i am not crying about Mantra of Distraction being instant and ranged like a lot of clueless mesmer or mantra-hater would do. That Mantra of Distraction works like it does atm is pretty much needed for an interrupt build to make any sense. It is a skillful, reactive, interactive interrupt utility skill, as long as it is not compined with op effects from op traits. Powerblock is not op. I just say CI and Lost Time are overperforming and lower the skill ceiling and floor on mesmer remarkable, in particular compared to powerblock. I was talking to ppl crying about powerblock, telling them that this complain is stupid. So i am even more on your side than most ppl (most not mesmer mains) in this thread.

Also all big skills have enough casttime to interrupt them on purpose with Mantra of Distraction, there is no need for op traits like CI and Lost Time. Maybe you are too slow in your reaction time then? I don't know. Ofc meta builds need to get nerfed too in the same moment, not denying that. But just because other builds are op doesn't justify op stuff on mesmer. You clearly can play without being carried by Lost Time or CI when you are good enough. I agree that it is clearly hard to do and you need to be rly good compared to meta builds. But if you want an easy life mesmer shouldn't be your class choice at all. A class that has so much active outplay potential when played well should have a high skill floor and ceilling and no access of forgiving mistake passive sustain or a lot of access to easy applied dmg/ strong effects like immob to not be broken as hell.

You argue just that powerblock is a skill who do useless damage and can sometimes be good when you rupt key skill (basically heal.).A near useless skill is different than a skilleed skill (moreover with somes ICD bugs.).

You have more than enough time to interrupt all classes inbetween their cycle of stabi and aegisNo, apart necro who is eat alive versus lock : thief keyskill can't be rupted, FB keyskill like signet will always be under stab, Holo auto pop stab regulary, rev have easy breakstunt in their rotation when rupted during no evade phases, war can't be immob can FC, SlB will ever be under stab during hist keybusrt etc.ty to the amount of cc you have2 charges of mantra, 1 random torch fantasm, 1 random staff, F3. Each with a max duration of 1 sec. There is plethora of class in this meta who have hard CC with a hiher duration while not even specing into lock.Well this ampunt of CC basically mean that you can't get over more than 3 stacks of stab. If you are lucky and your clones didn't die instatly with a GS burst build you can hope to remove a usefull boon on shatter but it's clearly random.Overall the stabi uptime is not too high to make an interrupt build unviable.Yeah that's why we see lock mesmers all days... In EU we were two to play lock last season in leaderboard and the second isn't even in top 100.The problem isn't only the stabi uptime it's that there is way too much skill have no to low little cast and :Maybe you are too slow in your reaction time then?I clearly haven't mAt players reaction but objectively, consciently rupt a 0.25 cast skill with average ping is ahead most human reaction time.(Other problem is the visual effects (damage, pyrotechnic explosion who hide key skill cast...).)I just say CI and Lost Time are overperforming and lower the skill ceiling and floor on mesmer remarkable, in particular compared to powerblock.You compare a trait who rarely proc and even when it proc I find the reward low versus a trait (Lost time.) who take part in preparation to next rupt.Dunno why you take CI and Lost time in the same board as CI as the same function as Power Block.. You clearly can play without being carried by Lost Time or CI when you are good enough.Yeah, that's a no lockbuild, and that's how the least top mesmers plays... Because it is more usefull to no play full lock.I totally haven't any consideration about other cryers who want nerf because their pegi4 class get destroyed by a mesmer.But lock playskills are far to be on the carrying skills actually.

bravan.3876 · June 15, 2019

@viquing.8254 said:
@bravan.3876 said:
@viquing.8254 said:
@bravan.3876 said:
@viquing.8254 said:
Power Block is a very balanced trait, the dmg is not high enough to be even near as broken. The only traits need a nerf because they are op in their effects and make Mantra of Distraction rewarding even when only random spammed without interrupting or only interrupting autoattacks are CI and Lost Time. Mantra of Distraction with Powerblock is balanced and only rewards mindful interrupts on more than only autoattacks enough to be worth taking.

Have you ever try to rupt in a cele meta ?I mean a 0.25 sec decaled rupt failed and you are facing opponent under stab/aegis/cele.And even when you rupt someone with CI and Lost time what he does is 1 clic dispell and your calculated rupt is nullyfy with random dispell rotation. (Not even count the attacks that can't be rupt because 3 effects in 1.)And stop saying things like playing well in a lockbuil when the risk.investment in trait can be countered by simple condiclear. Show me where are the "skilled" players to argue please.

What? Did you even understand what i said? I said Powerblock is balanced in terms of the reward it gives. It is not too high dmg it is only on interrupts and it is only rewarding enough when you are able to interrupt big skills and not only random interrupting autoattacks. That is why i said an interrupt build only using Powerblock is balanced, has a very high skill ceiling and is in disadvantage vs most other builds in this game even when played very well.

Lost Time and CI are broken and have a very low skill ceiling and skill floor, they both give way too much reward (too much dmg + slow from Lost Time and an op immob. +might stacking without ICD on CI), so you either doesn't even need to interrupt something to proc it (Lost Time) or the reward is so strong that you don't need to care for what you interrupt, autoattacks are more then enough (CI). They make mesmer way easier and for that noobfriendlier to play. Chaosline in addition also applies forgiving sustain, which is more or less passive because it doesn't effect your active gameplay. These are the big differences to Powerblock. Simple facts.

That there are other classes with builds even lamer and easier to play than a CI chaosline Powermes is a different story. Both should not exist in terms of getting a game that can separate good from bad players, in terms of getting a way less braindead meta. Balance isn't rly that hard: The easier a build is to play the less rewarding it should be even when played well and the more forgiving facetank ability a build has the less dmg it should make. In both points Anet always failed the balance. All the bruiser have way too much sustain for the dmg they do. And easy builds are often also the strongest (otherwise tell me the logic in Lost Time being able to crit, makes in general way more dmg than powerblock, apllies slow what is way more annoying than weakness, has better synergy with the interrupt nature because it makes interrupting easier but doesn't even need an interrupt to proc? Why is a trait with a higher reward easier to play?).In the current meta we have builds are good in everything. Just taking Holo as example it has good facetank ability (less than a war but still too much for the dmg it can do), high resustain ability even can be covered by stabi and stealth, high amount of aoe cc, perma mini burst (a lot even aoe) and good mobility. Holo could be a skillful class if it would be less broken and would have higher cd on keyskills. Atm a bad Holo doesn't even get punished for braindead skill spam because the cds are so low. Anet needs to reduce power creep all over the board and the sustain creep in the same moment. That is why i get cancer when i read dmg increased on skill x in the patch nodes. There is not a single skill in this game need a dmg increase atm. Every unused skill might get viable already by nerfing everything broken into the ground where it belongs.

I understand what you say and disagree about the : "CI+ lost time easy to play whereas power block is skilled.I'm sorry but did you play lockdown against other class than necro ?Basically if you

time your rupt

and wait for the opponent to use a key skill : the opponnent will just keep his stab/teleport/los to cast the keyskill.So yeah you may find burning CC on auto bad but you haven't really the choice if you want the opponenent to use his counter CC skills before you can rupt the good one.CI is far to be OP : it's basically the condi version of powerblock apart that it can be dispell instantly bt most builds so the reward with CI+LOst time is worst than with the domination line with PB + CS.

The skillfloor of PB+CS is under the skillfloor of CI+Lost time

and not the reverse. What are you even writing like of CI proc when no interruptions ?About Lost time alone, it was a dead trait since it's realease. only now it can littlecompete with chronophantasma.

They make mesmer way easier and for that noobfriendlier to play. Chaosline in addition also applies forgiving sustain, which is more or less passive because it doesn't effect your active gameplay. These are the big differences to Powerblock. Simple facts.Ho commong, you want passive ? Look at passive immob/cripple/weakness on thief, passive unstealth on holo, random aoe CC on holo/scourge, SB, 4on 1 skill like bullcharge and so on.In which world a trait who make a clic activation does average 1k and proc slow is passive in the current environnement. Wake up !
That there are other classes with builds even lamer and easier to play than a CI chaosline Powermes is a different story.Nonono It's not a different story because we face everyday this kind of pegi 4 class. And you can't remove one class a tool then maintain this on other.

I'm really angry when I read post like this who try to legitimate "subjective" point of view by saying it's facts.I will stay polite but I mainly disagree about what you say and your view of what is "skilling" or not.BTW lockdown builds are far to be rewarding considering the difficulty to calculate CC in a meta where many spec have cele or instnant skills. (And average cast time on important skill seems to be 0.25 sec...)Actually locks aren't efficient at all. (just 100% stunt on f3 is.)

Lets agree to disagree then, i argued pretty clear why powerblock is way more skilled than Lost Time and CI. You have more than enough time to interrupt all classes inbetween their cycle of stabi and aegis and ty to the amount of cc you have, you don't need to care for 1 or 2 stacks of stabi, you can remove the stabi stack with a cc chain if needed. Overall the stabi uptime is not too high to make an interrupt build unviable. And i am not crying about Mantra of Distraction being instant and ranged like a lot of clueless mesmer or mantra-hater would do. That Mantra of Distraction works like it does atm is pretty much needed for an interrupt build to make any sense. It is a skillful, reactive, interactive interrupt utility skill, as long as it is not compined with op effects from op traits. Powerblock is not op. I just say CI and Lost Time are overperforming and lower the skill ceiling and floor on mesmer remarkable, in particular compared to powerblock. I was talking to ppl crying about powerblock, telling them that this complain is stupid. So i am even more on your side than most ppl (most not mesmer mains) in this thread.

Also all big skills have enough casttime to interrupt them on purpose with Mantra of Distraction, there is no need for op traits like CI and Lost Time. Maybe you are too slow in your reaction time then? I don't know. Ofc meta builds need to get nerfed too in the same moment, not denying that. But just because other builds are op doesn't justify op stuff on mesmer. You clearly can play without being carried by Lost Time or CI when you are good enough. I agree that it is clearly hard to do and you need to be rly good compared to meta builds. But if you want an easy life mesmer shouldn't be your class choice at all. A class that has so much active outplay potential when played well should have a high skill floor and ceilling and no access of forgiving mistake passive sustain or a lot of access to easy applied dmg/ strong effects like immob to not be broken as hell.

You argue just that powerblock is a skill who do useless damage and can sometimes be good when you rupt key skill (basically heal.).A near useless skill is different than a skilleed skill (moreover with somes ICD bugs.).

You have more than enough time to interrupt all classes inbetween their cycle of stabi and aegisNo, apart necro who is eat alive versus lock : thief keyskill can't be rupted, FB keyskill like signet will always be under stab, Holo auto pop stab regulary, rev have easy breakstunt in their rotation when rupted during no evade phases, war can't be immob can FC, SlB will ever be under stab during hist keybusrt etc.ty to the amount of cc you have2 charges of mantra, 1 random torch fantasm, 1 random staff, F3. Each with a max duration of 1 sec. There is plethora of class in this meta who have hard CC with a hiher duration while not even specing into lock.Well this
ampunt of CC
basically mean that you can't get over more than 3 stacks of stab. If you are lucky and your clones didn't die instatly with a GS burst build you can hope to remove a usefull boon on shatter but it's clearly random.Overall the stabi uptime is not too high to make an interrupt build unviable.Yeah that's why we see lock mesmers all days... In EU we were two to play lock last season in leaderboard and the second isn't even in top 100.The problem isn't only the stabi uptime it's that there is way too much skill have no to low little cast and :Maybe you are too slow in your reaction time then?I clearly haven't mAt players reaction but objectively, consciently rupt a 0.25 cast skill with average ping is ahead most human reaction time.(Other problem is the visual effects (damage, pyrotechnic explosion who hide key skill cast...).)I just say CI and Lost Time are overperforming and lower the skill ceiling and floor on mesmer remarkable, in particular compared to powerblock.You compare a trait who rarely proc and even when it proc I find the reward low versus a trait (Lost time.) who take part in preparation to next rupt.Dunno why you take CI and Lost time in the same board as CI as the same function as Power Block.. You clearly can play without being carried by Lost Time or CI when you are good enough.Yeah, that's a no lockbuild, and that's how the least top mesmers plays... Because it is more usefull to no play full lock.I totally haven't any consideration about other cryers who want nerf because their pegi4 class get destroyed by a mesmer.But lock playskills are far to be on the carrying skills actually.

As said, lets agree to disagree. Powerblock is not useless, it is just not op and needs skill to be rewarding. That skills like that are considered useless in GW2 just shows how stupidly braindead and broken the meta is in this game. Maybe check Youtube for some high ranked Power Mesmer footage with only Powerblock interrupt gameplay. You will find some. There even was a thread about a video in the pvp forum not long ago. You will find baits to make targets pop their stabi, you will find outplays around stabi uptime, you will find well timed on purpose interrupts on big skills. It is kinda proven that it is possible also on higher skill lvl. Yes that might be an exceptional skill lvl you cannot expect from every random player but as said for these ppl there are 8 other classes to enjoy. I am not good enough to play a power shatter on high skill lvl myself, but i can accept it. I am multiclass player and i play mesmer as long as there are builds available easy enough to carry me. But tbf those builds shouldn't exist for a class with such high active outplay potential. Because in decent and above hands it will always be broken. You just see how much hate it creates when mesmer is balanced around average player like you and me (average in a game with in general very very low average skill lvl).

@BadMed.3846 said:
@bravan.3876 said:
@BadMed.3846 said:Mesmers always deserve a nerf as they never get under control. Nerf mantras please. And rev just got out of control, nerf it too.Fix the game Devs. C'mon.

These are clearly too many good arguments to not be convinced. Finally a post not just using some empty phrases and shine with game knowledge. The constructivity of this post is mindblowing. Good that these are the ppl anet is listening to when balancing.

Scroll to read the arguments. OP already made them.

Better you scroll and read the 1000 posts explaining why his complains were all more or less wrong

yusayu.3629 · June 15, 2019

Sorry, but if you die to a Mantra oneshot-Mesmer you are just bad. The build has no sustain, no boons for itself, no escapes and puts like 7 skills on cooldown for an easy-to-spot and counter combo, that doesn't even kill most classes outright.

Rev is a different story and clearly too strong. They have a similar amount of damage (not a oneshot combo, but way too much damage, split out pretty evenly so you can't just dodge it), except they can give themselves a shitton of boons.

Also, you know you're not supposed to play with Berserker Amulet in PvP, right?

viquing.8254 · June 15, 2019

@bravan.3876 said:
@viquing.8254 said:
@bravan.3876 said:
@viquing.8254 said:
@bravan.3876 said:
@viquing.8254 said:
Power Block is a very balanced trait, the dmg is not high enough to be even near as broken. The only traits need a nerf because they are op in their effects and make Mantra of Distraction rewarding even when only random spammed without interrupting or only interrupting autoattacks are CI and Lost Time. Mantra of Distraction with Powerblock is balanced and only rewards mindful interrupts on more than only autoattacks enough to be worth taking.

Have you ever try to rupt in a cele meta ?I mean a 0.25 sec decaled rupt failed and you are facing opponent under stab/aegis/cele.And even when you rupt someone with CI and Lost time what he does is 1 clic dispell and your calculated rupt is nullyfy with random dispell rotation. (Not even count the attacks that can't be rupt because 3 effects in 1.)And stop saying things like playing well in a lockbuil when the risk.investment in trait can be countered by simple condiclear. Show me where are the "skilled" players to argue please.

What? Did you even understand what i said? I said Powerblock is balanced in terms of the reward it gives. It is not too high dmg it is only on interrupts and it is only rewarding enough when you are able to interrupt big skills and not only random interrupting autoattacks. That is why i said an interrupt build only using Powerblock is balanced, has a very high skill ceiling and is in disadvantage vs most other builds in this game even when played very well.

Lost Time and CI are broken and have a very low skill ceiling and skill floor, they both give way too much reward (too much dmg + slow from Lost Time and an op immob. +might stacking without ICD on CI), so you either doesn't even need to interrupt something to proc it (Lost Time) or the reward is so strong that you don't need to care for what you interrupt, autoattacks are more then enough (CI). They make mesmer way easier and for that noobfriendlier to play. Chaosline in addition also applies forgiving sustain, which is more or less passive because it doesn't effect your active gameplay. These are the big differences to Powerblock. Simple facts.

That there are other classes with builds even lamer and easier to play than a CI chaosline Powermes is a different story. Both should not exist in terms of getting a game that can separate good from bad players, in terms of getting a way less braindead meta. Balance isn't rly that hard: The easier a build is to play the less rewarding it should be even when played well and the more forgiving facetank ability a build has the less dmg it should make. In both points Anet always failed the balance. All the bruiser have way too much sustain for the dmg they do. And easy builds are often also the strongest (otherwise tell me the logic in Lost Time being able to crit, makes in general way more dmg than powerblock, apllies slow what is way more annoying than weakness, has better synergy with the interrupt nature because it makes interrupting easier but doesn't even need an interrupt to proc? Why is a trait with a higher reward easier to play?).In the current meta we have builds are good in everything. Just taking Holo as example it has good facetank ability (less than a war but still too much for the dmg it can do), high resustain ability even can be covered by stabi and stealth, high amount of aoe cc, perma mini burst (a lot even aoe) and good mobility. Holo could be a skillful class if it would be less broken and would have higher cd on keyskills. Atm a bad Holo doesn't even get punished for braindead skill spam because the cds are so low. Anet needs to reduce power creep all over the board and the sustain creep in the same moment. That is why i get cancer when i read dmg increased on skill x in the patch nodes. There is not a single skill in this game need a dmg increase atm. Every unused skill might get viable already by nerfing everything broken into the ground where it belongs.

I understand what you say and disagree about the : "CI+ lost time easy to play whereas power block is skilled.I'm sorry but did you play lockdown against other class than necro ?Basically if you

time your rupt

and wait for the opponent to use a key skill : the opponnent will just keep his stab/teleport/los to cast the keyskill.So yeah you may find burning CC on auto bad but you haven't really the choice if you want the opponenent to use his counter CC skills before you can rupt the good one.CI is far to be OP : it's basically the condi version of powerblock apart that it can be dispell instantly bt most builds so the reward with CI+LOst time is worst than with the domination line with PB + CS.

The skillfloor of PB+CS is under the skillfloor of CI+Lost time

and not the reverse. What are you even writing like of CI proc when no interruptions ?About Lost time alone, it was a dead trait since it's realease. only now it can littlecompete with chronophantasma.

They make mesmer way easier and for that noobfriendlier to play. Chaosline in addition also applies forgiving sustain, which is more or less passive because it doesn't effect your active gameplay. These are the big differences to Powerblock. Simple facts.Ho commong, you want passive ? Look at passive immob/cripple/weakness on thief, passive unstealth on holo, random aoe CC on holo/scourge, SB, 4on 1 skill like bullcharge and so on.In which world a trait who make a clic activation does average 1k and proc slow is passive in the current environnement. Wake up !
That there are other classes with builds even lamer and easier to play than a CI chaosline Powermes is a different story.Nonono It's not a different story because we face everyday this kind of pegi 4 class. And you can't remove one class a tool then maintain this on other.

I'm really angry when I read post like this who try to legitimate "subjective" point of view by saying it's facts.I will stay polite but I mainly disagree about what you say and your view of what is "skilling" or not.BTW lockdown builds are far to be rewarding considering the difficulty to calculate CC in a meta where many spec have cele or instnant skills. (And average cast time on important skill seems to be 0.25 sec...)Actually locks aren't efficient at all. (just 100% stunt on f3 is.)

Lets agree to disagree then, i argued pretty clear why powerblock is way more skilled than Lost Time and CI. You have more than enough time to interrupt all classes inbetween their cycle of stabi and aegis and ty to the amount of cc you have, you don't need to care for 1 or 2 stacks of stabi, you can remove the stabi stack with a cc chain if needed. Overall the stabi uptime is not too high to make an interrupt build unviable. And i am not crying about Mantra of Distraction being instant and ranged like a lot of clueless mesmer or mantra-hater would do. That Mantra of Distraction works like it does atm is pretty much needed for an interrupt build to make any sense. It is a skillful, reactive, interactive interrupt utility skill, as long as it is not compined with op effects from op traits. Powerblock is not op. I just say CI and Lost Time are overperforming and lower the skill ceiling and floor on mesmer remarkable, in particular compared to powerblock. I was talking to ppl crying about powerblock, telling them that this complain is stupid. So i am even more on your side than most ppl (most not mesmer mains) in this thread.

Also all big skills have enough casttime to interrupt them on purpose with Mantra of Distraction, there is no need for op traits like CI and Lost Time. Maybe you are too slow in your reaction time then? I don't know. Ofc meta builds need to get nerfed too in the same moment, not denying that. But just because other builds are op doesn't justify op stuff on mesmer. You clearly can play without being carried by Lost Time or CI when you are good enough. I agree that it is clearly hard to do and you need to be rly good compared to meta builds. But if you want an easy life mesmer shouldn't be your class choice at all. A class that has so much active outplay potential when played well should have a high skill floor and ceilling and no access of forgiving mistake passive sustain or a lot of access to easy applied dmg/ strong effects like immob to not be broken as hell.

You argue just that powerblock is a skill who do useless damage and can sometimes be good when you rupt key skill (basically heal.).A near useless skill is different than a skilleed skill (moreover with somes ICD bugs.).

You have more than enough time to interrupt all classes inbetween their cycle of stabi and aegisNo, apart necro who is eat alive versus lock : thief keyskill can't be rupted, FB keyskill like signet will always be under stab, Holo auto pop stab regulary, rev have easy breakstunt in their rotation when rupted during no evade phases, war can't be immob can FC, SlB will ever be under stab during hist keybusrt etc.ty to the amount of cc you have2 charges of mantra, 1 random torch fantasm, 1 random staff, F3. Each with a max duration of 1 sec. There is plethora of class in this meta who have hard CC with a hiher duration while not even specing into lock.Well this
ampunt of CC
basically mean that you can't get over more than 3 stacks of stab. If you are lucky and your clones didn't die instatly with a GS burst build you can hope to remove a usefull boon on shatter but it's clearly random.Overall the stabi uptime is not too high to make an interrupt build unviable.Yeah that's why we see lock mesmers all days... In EU we were two to play lock last season in leaderboard and the second isn't even in top 100.The problem isn't only the stabi uptime it's that there is way too much skill have no to low little cast and :Maybe you are too slow in your reaction time then?I clearly haven't mAt players reaction but objectively, consciently rupt a 0.25 cast skill with average ping is ahead most human reaction time.(Other problem is the visual effects (damage, pyrotechnic explosion who hide key skill cast...).)I just say CI and Lost Time are overperforming and lower the skill ceiling and floor on mesmer remarkable, in particular compared to powerblock.You compare a trait who rarely proc and even when it proc I find the reward low versus a trait (Lost time.) who take part in preparation to next rupt.Dunno why you take CI and Lost time in the same board as CI as the same function as Power Block.. You clearly can play without being carried by Lost Time or CI when you are good enough.Yeah, that's a no lockbuild, and that's how the least top mesmers plays... Because it is more usefull to no play full lock.I totally haven't any consideration about other cryers who want nerf because their pegi4 class get destroyed by a mesmer.But lock playskills are far to be on the carrying skills actually.

As said, lets agree to disagree. Powerblock is not useless, it is just not op and needs skill to be rewarding. That skills like that are considered useless in GW2 just shows how stupidly braindead and broken the meta is in this game. Maybe check Youtube for some high ranked Power Mesmer footage with only Powerblock interrupt gameplay. You will find some. There even was a thread about a video in the pvp forum not long ago. You will find baits to make targets pop their stabi, you will find outplays around stabi uptime, you will find well timed on purpose interrupts on big skills. It is kinda proven that it is possible also on higher skill lvl. Yes that might be an exceptional skill lvl you cannot expect from every random player but as said for these ppl there are 8 other classes to enjoy. I am not good enough to play a power shatter on high skill lvl myself, but i can accept it. I am multiclass player and i play mesmer as long as there are builds available easy enough to carry me. But tbf those builds shouldn't exist for a class with such high active outplay potential. Because in decent and above hands it will always be broken. You just see how much hate it creates when mesmer is balanced around average player like you and me (average in a game with in general very very low average skill lvl).

Ok then we remain disagree, I maintain that there is not rewards for playing lock build, particulary with power block. And videos we found on youtube on the subject aren't versus EU top 100 players but versus random plug.

bravan.3876 · June 15, 2019

@viquing.8254 said:
@bravan.3876 said:
@viquing.8254 said:
@bravan.3876 said:
@viquing.8254 said:
@bravan.3876 said:
@viquing.8254 said:
Power Block is a very balanced trait, the dmg is not high enough to be even near as broken. The only traits need a nerf because they are op in their effects and make Mantra of Distraction rewarding even when only random spammed without interrupting or only interrupting autoattacks are CI and Lost Time. Mantra of Distraction with Powerblock is balanced and only rewards mindful interrupts on more than only autoattacks enough to be worth taking.

Have you ever try to rupt in a cele meta ?I mean a 0.25 sec decaled rupt failed and you are facing opponent under stab/aegis/cele.And even when you rupt someone with CI and Lost time what he does is 1 clic dispell and your calculated rupt is nullyfy with random dispell rotation. (Not even count the attacks that can't be rupt because 3 effects in 1.)And stop saying things like playing well in a lockbuil when the risk.investment in trait can be countered by simple condiclear. Show me where are the "skilled" players to argue please.

What? Did you even understand what i said? I said Powerblock is balanced in terms of the reward it gives. It is not too high dmg it is only on interrupts and it is only rewarding enough when you are able to interrupt big skills and not only random interrupting autoattacks. That is why i said an interrupt build only using Powerblock is balanced, has a very high skill ceiling and is in disadvantage vs most other builds in this game even when played very well.

Lost Time and CI are broken and have a very low skill ceiling and skill floor, they both give way too much reward (too much dmg + slow from Lost Time and an op immob. +might stacking without ICD on CI), so you either doesn't even need to interrupt something to proc it (Lost Time) or the reward is so strong that you don't need to care for what you interrupt, autoattacks are more then enough (CI). They make mesmer way easier and for that noobfriendlier to play. Chaosline in addition also applies forgiving sustain, which is more or less passive because it doesn't effect your active gameplay. These are the big differences to Powerblock. Simple facts.

That there are other classes with builds even lamer and easier to play than a CI chaosline Powermes is a different story. Both should not exist in terms of getting a game that can separate good from bad players, in terms of getting a way less braindead meta. Balance isn't rly that hard: The easier a build is to play the less rewarding it should be even when played well and the more forgiving facetank ability a build has the less dmg it should make. In both points Anet always failed the balance. All the bruiser have way too much sustain for the dmg they do. And easy builds are often also the strongest (otherwise tell me the logic in Lost Time being able to crit, makes in general way more dmg than powerblock, apllies slow what is way more annoying than weakness, has better synergy with the interrupt nature because it makes interrupting easier but doesn't even need an interrupt to proc? Why is a trait with a higher reward easier to play?).In the current meta we have builds are good in everything. Just taking Holo as example it has good facetank ability (less than a war but still too much for the dmg it can do), high resustain ability even can be covered by stabi and stealth, high amount of aoe cc, perma mini burst (a lot even aoe) and good mobility. Holo could be a skillful class if it would be less broken and would have higher cd on keyskills. Atm a bad Holo doesn't even get punished for braindead skill spam because the cds are so low. Anet needs to reduce power creep all over the board and the sustain creep in the same moment. That is why i get cancer when i read dmg increased on skill x in the patch nodes. There is not a single skill in this game need a dmg increase atm. Every unused skill might get viable already by nerfing everything broken into the ground where it belongs.

I understand what you say and disagree about the : "CI+ lost time easy to play whereas power block is skilled.I'm sorry but did you play lockdown against other class than necro ?Basically if you

time your rupt

and wait for the opponent to use a key skill : the opponnent will just keep his stab/teleport/los to cast the keyskill.So yeah you may find burning CC on auto bad but you haven't really the choice if you want the opponenent to use his counter CC skills before you can rupt the good one.CI is far to be OP : it's basically the condi version of powerblock apart that it can be dispell instantly bt most builds so the reward with CI+LOst time is worst than with the domination line with PB + CS.

The skillfloor of PB+CS is under the skillfloor of CI+Lost time

and not the reverse. What are you even writing like of CI proc when no interruptions ?About Lost time alone, it was a dead trait since it's realease. only now it can littlecompete with chronophantasma.

They make mesmer way easier and for that noobfriendlier to play. Chaosline in addition also applies forgiving sustain, which is more or less passive because it doesn't effect your active gameplay. These are the big differences to Powerblock. Simple facts.Ho commong, you want passive ? Look at passive immob/cripple/weakness on thief, passive unstealth on holo, random aoe CC on holo/scourge, SB, 4on 1 skill like bullcharge and so on.In which world a trait who make a clic activation does average 1k and proc slow is passive in the current environnement. Wake up !
That there are other classes with builds even lamer and easier to play than a CI chaosline Powermes is a different story.Nonono It's not a different story because we face everyday this kind of pegi 4 class. And you can't remove one class a tool then maintain this on other.

I'm really angry when I read post like this who try to legitimate "subjective" point of view by saying it's facts.I will stay polite but I mainly disagree about what you say and your view of what is "skilling" or not.BTW lockdown builds are far to be rewarding considering the difficulty to calculate CC in a meta where many spec have cele or instnant skills. (And average cast time on important skill seems to be 0.25 sec...)Actually locks aren't efficient at all. (just 100% stunt on f3 is.)

Lets agree to disagree then, i argued pretty clear why powerblock is way more skilled than Lost Time and CI. You have more than enough time to interrupt all classes inbetween their cycle of stabi and aegis and ty to the amount of cc you have, you don't need to care for 1 or 2 stacks of stabi, you can remove the stabi stack with a cc chain if needed. Overall the stabi uptime is not too high to make an interrupt build unviable. And i am not crying about Mantra of Distraction being instant and ranged like a lot of clueless mesmer or mantra-hater would do. That Mantra of Distraction works like it does atm is pretty much needed for an interrupt build to make any sense. It is a skillful, reactive, interactive interrupt utility skill, as long as it is not compined with op effects from op traits. Powerblock is not op. I just say CI and Lost Time are overperforming and lower the skill ceiling and floor on mesmer remarkable, in particular compared to powerblock. I was talking to ppl crying about powerblock, telling them that this complain is stupid. So i am even more on your side than most ppl (most not mesmer mains) in this thread.

Also all big skills have enough casttime to interrupt them on purpose with Mantra of Distraction, there is no need for op traits like CI and Lost Time. Maybe you are too slow in your reaction time then? I don't know. Ofc meta builds need to get nerfed too in the same moment, not denying that. But just because other builds are op doesn't justify op stuff on mesmer. You clearly can play without being carried by Lost Time or CI when you are good enough. I agree that it is clearly hard to do and you need to be rly good compared to meta builds. But if you want an easy life mesmer shouldn't be your class choice at all. A class that has so much active outplay potential when played well should have a high skill floor and ceilling and no access of forgiving mistake passive sustain or a lot of access to easy applied dmg/ strong effects like immob to not be broken as hell.

You argue just that powerblock is a skill who do useless damage and can sometimes be good when you rupt key skill (basically heal.).A near useless skill is different than a skilleed skill (moreover with somes ICD bugs.).

You have more than enough time to interrupt all classes inbetween their cycle of stabi and aegisNo, apart necro who is eat alive versus lock : thief keyskill can't be rupted, FB keyskill like signet will always be under stab, Holo auto pop stab regulary, rev have easy breakstunt in their rotation when rupted during no evade phases, war can't be immob can FC, SlB will ever be under stab during hist keybusrt etc.ty to the amount of cc you have2 charges of mantra, 1 random torch fantasm, 1 random staff, F3. Each with a max duration of 1 sec. There is plethora of class in this meta who have hard CC with a hiher duration while not even specing into lock.Well this
ampunt of CC
basically mean that you can't get over more than 3 stacks of stab. If you are lucky and your clones didn't die instatly with a GS burst build you can hope to remove a usefull boon on shatter but it's clearly random.Overall the stabi uptime is not too high to make an interrupt build unviable.Yeah that's why we see lock mesmers all days... In EU we were two to play lock last season in leaderboard and the second isn't even in top 100.The problem isn't only the stabi uptime it's that there is way too much skill have no to low little cast and :Maybe you are too slow in your reaction time then?I clearly haven't mAt players reaction but objectively, consciently rupt a 0.25 cast skill with average ping is ahead most human reaction time.(Other problem is the visual effects (damage, pyrotechnic explosion who hide key skill cast...).)I just say CI and Lost Time are overperforming and lower the skill ceiling and floor on mesmer remarkable, in particular compared to powerblock.You compare a trait who rarely proc and even when it proc I find the reward low versus a trait (Lost time.) who take part in preparation to next rupt.Dunno why you take CI and Lost time in the same board as CI as the same function as Power Block.. You clearly can play without being carried by Lost Time or CI when you are good enough.Yeah, that's a no lockbuild, and that's how the least top mesmers plays... Because it is more usefull to no play full lock.I totally haven't any consideration about other cryers who want nerf because their pegi4 class get destroyed by a mesmer.But lock playskills are far to be on the carrying skills actually.

As said, lets agree to disagree. Powerblock is not useless, it is just not op and needs skill to be rewarding. That skills like that are considered useless in GW2 just shows how stupidly braindead and broken the meta is in this game. Maybe check Youtube for some high ranked Power Mesmer footage with only Powerblock interrupt gameplay. You will find some. There even was a thread about a video in the pvp forum not long ago. You will find baits to make targets pop their stabi, you will find outplays around stabi uptime, you will find well timed on purpose interrupts on big skills. It is kinda proven that it is possible also on higher skill lvl. Yes that might be an exceptional skill lvl you cannot expect from every random player but as said for these ppl there are 8 other classes to enjoy. I am not good enough to play a power shatter on high skill lvl myself, but i can accept it. I am multiclass player and i play mesmer as long as there are builds available easy enough to carry me. But tbf those builds shouldn't exist for a class with such high active outplay potential. Because in decent and above hands it will always be broken. You just see how much hate it creates when mesmer is balanced around average player like you and me (average in a game with in general very very low average skill lvl).

Ok then we remain disagree, I maintain that there is not rewards for playing lock build, particulary with power block. And videos we found on youtube on the subject aren't versus EU top 100 players but versus random plug.

The video posted not long ago in this forum had more than enough EU legend players involved to give only one example. The mesmer is as far as i saw placed around plat 3/ legend itself. But whatever, believe what you want , if you feel better doing so.

viquing.8254 · June 15, 2019

@bravan.3876 said:
@viquing.8254 said:
@bravan.3876 said:
@viquing.8254 said:
@bravan.3876 said:
@viquing.8254 said:
@bravan.3876 said:
@viquing.8254 said:
Power Block is a very balanced trait, the dmg is not high enough to be even near as broken. The only traits need a nerf because they are op in their effects and make Mantra of Distraction rewarding even when only random spammed without interrupting or only interrupting autoattacks are CI and Lost Time. Mantra of Distraction with Powerblock is balanced and only rewards mindful interrupts on more than only autoattacks enough to be worth taking.

Have you ever try to rupt in a cele meta ?I mean a 0.25 sec decaled rupt failed and you are facing opponent under stab/aegis/cele.And even when you rupt someone with CI and Lost time what he does is 1 clic dispell and your calculated rupt is nullyfy with random dispell rotation. (Not even count the attacks that can't be rupt because 3 effects in 1.)And stop saying things like playing well in a lockbuil when the risk.investment in trait can be countered by simple condiclear. Show me where are the "skilled" players to argue please.

What? Did you even understand what i said? I said Powerblock is balanced in terms of the reward it gives. It is not too high dmg it is only on interrupts and it is only rewarding enough when you are able to interrupt big skills and not only random interrupting autoattacks. That is why i said an interrupt build only using Powerblock is balanced, has a very high skill ceiling and is in disadvantage vs most other builds in this game even when played very well.

Lost Time and CI are broken and have a very low skill ceiling and skill floor, they both give way too much reward (too much dmg + slow from Lost Time and an op immob. +might stacking without ICD on CI), so you either doesn't even need to interrupt something to proc it (Lost Time) or the reward is so strong that you don't need to care for what you interrupt, autoattacks are more then enough (CI). They make mesmer way easier and for that noobfriendlier to play. Chaosline in addition also applies forgiving sustain, which is more or less passive because it doesn't effect your active gameplay. These are the big differences to Powerblock. Simple facts.

That there are other classes with builds even lamer and easier to play than a CI chaosline Powermes is a different story. Both should not exist in terms of getting a game that can separate good from bad players, in terms of getting a way less braindead meta. Balance isn't rly that hard: The easier a build is to play the less rewarding it should be even when played well and the more forgiving facetank ability a build has the less dmg it should make. In both points Anet always failed the balance. All the bruiser have way too much sustain for the dmg they do. And easy builds are often also the strongest (otherwise tell me the logic in Lost Time being able to crit, makes in general way more dmg than powerblock, apllies slow what is way more annoying than weakness, has better synergy with the interrupt nature because it makes interrupting easier but doesn't even need an interrupt to proc? Why is a trait with a higher reward easier to play?).In the current meta we have builds are good in everything. Just taking Holo as example it has good facetank ability (less than a war but still too much for the dmg it can do), high resustain ability even can be covered by stabi and stealth, high amount of aoe cc, perma mini burst (a lot even aoe) and good mobility. Holo could be a skillful class if it would be less broken and would have higher cd on keyskills. Atm a bad Holo doesn't even get punished for braindead skill spam because the cds are so low. Anet needs to reduce power creep all over the board and the sustain creep in the same moment. That is why i get cancer when i read dmg increased on skill x in the patch nodes. There is not a single skill in this game need a dmg increase atm. Every unused skill might get viable already by nerfing everything broken into the ground where it belongs.

I understand what you say and disagree about the : "CI+ lost time easy to play whereas power block is skilled.I'm sorry but did you play lockdown against other class than necro ?Basically if you

time your rupt

and wait for the opponent to use a key skill : the opponnent will just keep his stab/teleport/los to cast the keyskill.So yeah you may find burning CC on auto bad but you haven't really the choice if you want the opponenent to use his counter CC skills before you can rupt the good one.CI is far to be OP : it's basically the condi version of powerblock apart that it can be dispell instantly bt most builds so the reward with CI+LOst time is worst than with the domination line with PB + CS.

The skillfloor of PB+CS is under the skillfloor of CI+Lost time

and not the reverse. What are you even writing like of CI proc when no interruptions ?About Lost time alone, it was a dead trait since it's realease. only now it can littlecompete with chronophantasma.

They make mesmer way easier and for that noobfriendlier to play. Chaosline in addition also applies forgiving sustain, which is more or less passive because it doesn't effect your active gameplay. These are the big differences to Powerblock. Simple facts.Ho commong, you want passive ? Look at passive immob/cripple/weakness on thief, passive unstealth on holo, random aoe CC on holo/scourge, SB, 4on 1 skill like bullcharge and so on.In which world a trait who make a clic activation does average 1k and proc slow is passive in the current environnement. Wake up !
That there are other classes with builds even lamer and easier to play than a CI chaosline Powermes is a different story.Nonono It's not a different story because we face everyday this kind of pegi 4 class. And you can't remove one class a tool then maintain this on other.

I'm really angry when I read post like this who try to legitimate "subjective" point of view by saying it's facts.I will stay polite but I mainly disagree about what you say and your view of what is "skilling" or not.BTW lockdown builds are far to be rewarding considering the difficulty to calculate CC in a meta where many spec have cele or instnant skills. (And average cast time on important skill seems to be 0.25 sec...)Actually locks aren't efficient at all. (just 100% stunt on f3 is.)

Lets agree to disagree then, i argued pretty clear why powerblock is way more skilled than Lost Time and CI. You have more than enough time to interrupt all classes inbetween their cycle of stabi and aegis and ty to the amount of cc you have, you don't need to care for 1 or 2 stacks of stabi, you can remove the stabi stack with a cc chain if needed. Overall the stabi uptime is not too high to make an interrupt build unviable. And i am not crying about Mantra of Distraction being instant and ranged like a lot of clueless mesmer or mantra-hater would do. That Mantra of Distraction works like it does atm is pretty much needed for an interrupt build to make any sense. It is a skillful, reactive, interactive interrupt utility skill, as long as it is not compined with op effects from op traits. Powerblock is not op. I just say CI and Lost Time are overperforming and lower the skill ceiling and floor on mesmer remarkable, in particular compared to powerblock. I was talking to ppl crying about powerblock, telling them that this complain is stupid. So i am even more on your side than most ppl (most not mesmer mains) in this thread.

Also all big skills have enough casttime to interrupt them on purpose with Mantra of Distraction, there is no need for op traits like CI and Lost Time. Maybe you are too slow in your reaction time then? I don't know. Ofc meta builds need to get nerfed too in the same moment, not denying that. But just because other builds are op doesn't justify op stuff on mesmer. You clearly can play without being carried by Lost Time or CI when you are good enough. I agree that it is clearly hard to do and you need to be rly good compared to meta builds. But if you want an easy life mesmer shouldn't be your class choice at all. A class that has so much active outplay potential when played well should have a high skill floor and ceilling and no access of forgiving mistake passive sustain or a lot of access to easy applied dmg/ strong effects like immob to not be broken as hell.

You argue just that powerblock is a skill who do useless damage and can sometimes be good when you rupt key skill (basically heal.).A near useless skill is different than a skilleed skill (moreover with somes ICD bugs.).

You have more than enough time to interrupt all classes inbetween their cycle of stabi and aegisNo, apart necro who is eat alive versus lock : thief keyskill can't be rupted, FB keyskill like signet will always be under stab, Holo auto pop stab regulary, rev have easy breakstunt in their rotation when rupted during no evade phases, war can't be immob can FC, SlB will ever be under stab during hist keybusrt etc.ty to the amount of cc you have2 charges of mantra, 1 random torch fantasm, 1 random staff, F3. Each with a max duration of 1 sec. There is plethora of class in this meta who have hard CC with a hiher duration while not even specing into lock.Well this
ampunt of CC
basically mean that you can't get over more than 3 stacks of stab. If you are lucky and your clones didn't die instatly with a GS burst build you can hope to remove a usefull boon on shatter but it's clearly random.Overall the stabi uptime is not too high to make an interrupt build unviable.Yeah that's why we see lock mesmers all days... In EU we were two to play lock last season in leaderboard and the second isn't even in top 100.The problem isn't only the stabi uptime it's that there is way too much skill have no to low little cast and :Maybe you are too slow in your reaction time then?I clearly haven't mAt players reaction but objectively, consciently rupt a 0.25 cast skill with average ping is ahead most human reaction time.(Other problem is the visual effects (damage, pyrotechnic explosion who hide key skill cast...).)I just say CI and Lost Time are overperforming and lower the skill ceiling and floor on mesmer remarkable, in particular compared to powerblock.You compare a trait who rarely proc and even when it proc I find the reward low versus a trait (Lost time.) who take part in preparation to next rupt.Dunno why you take CI and Lost time in the same board as CI as the same function as Power Block.. You clearly can play without being carried by Lost Time or CI when you are good enough.Yeah, that's a no lockbuild, and that's how the least top mesmers plays... Because it is more usefull to no play full lock.I totally haven't any consideration about other cryers who want nerf because their pegi4 class get destroyed by a mesmer.But lock playskills are far to be on the carrying skills actually.

As said, lets agree to disagree. Powerblock is not useless, it is just not op and needs skill to be rewarding. That skills like that are considered useless in GW2 just shows how stupidly braindead and broken the meta is in this game. Maybe check Youtube for some high ranked Power Mesmer footage with only Powerblock interrupt gameplay. You will find some. There even was a thread about a video in the pvp forum not long ago. You will find baits to make targets pop their stabi, you will find outplays around stabi uptime, you will find well timed on purpose interrupts on big skills. It is kinda proven that it is possible also on higher skill lvl. Yes that might be an exceptional skill lvl you cannot expect from every random player but as said for these ppl there are 8 other classes to enjoy. I am not good enough to play a power shatter on high skill lvl myself, but i can accept it. I am multiclass player and i play mesmer as long as there are builds available easy enough to carry me. But tbf those builds shouldn't exist for a class with such high active outplay potential. Because in decent and above hands it will always be broken. You just see how much hate it creates when mesmer is balanced around average player like you and me (average in a game with in general very very low average skill lvl).

Ok then we remain disagree, I maintain that there is not rewards for playing lock build, particulary with power block. And videos we found on youtube on the subject aren't versus EU top 100 players but versus random plug.

The video posted not long ago in this forum had more than enough EU legend players involved to give only one example. The mesmer is as far as i saw placed around plat 3/ legend itself. But whatever, believe what you want , if you feel better doing so.

link please

bravan.3876 · June 15, 2019

@viquing.8254 said:
@bravan.3876 said:
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@bravan.3876 said:
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@viquing.8254 said:
Power Block is a very balanced trait, the dmg is not high enough to be even near as broken. The only traits need a nerf because they are op in their effects and make Mantra of Distraction rewarding even when only random spammed without interrupting or only interrupting autoattacks are CI and Lost Time. Mantra of Distraction with Powerblock is balanced and only rewards mindful interrupts on more than only autoattacks enough to be worth taking.

Have you ever try to rupt in a cele meta ?I mean a 0.25 sec decaled rupt failed and you are facing opponent under stab/aegis/cele.And even when you rupt someone with CI and Lost time what he does is 1 clic dispell and your calculated rupt is nullyfy with random dispell rotation. (Not even count the attacks that can't be rupt because 3 effects in 1.)And stop saying things like playing well in a lockbuil when the risk.investment in trait can be countered by simple condiclear. Show me where are the "skilled" players to argue please.

What? Did you even understand what i said? I said Powerblock is balanced in terms of the reward it gives. It is not too high dmg it is only on interrupts and it is only rewarding enough when you are able to interrupt big skills and not only random interrupting autoattacks. That is why i said an interrupt build only using Powerblock is balanced, has a very high skill ceiling and is in disadvantage vs most other builds in this game even when played very well.

Lost Time and CI are broken and have a very low skill ceiling and skill floor, they both give way too much reward (too much dmg + slow from Lost Time and an op immob. +might stacking without ICD on CI), so you either doesn't even need to interrupt something to proc it (Lost Time) or the reward is so strong that you don't need to care for what you interrupt, autoattacks are more then enough (CI). They make mesmer way easier and for that noobfriendlier to play. Chaosline in addition also applies forgiving sustain, which is more or less passive because it doesn't effect your active gameplay. These are the big differences to Powerblock. Simple facts.

That there are other classes with builds even lamer and easier to play than a CI chaosline Powermes is a different story. Both should not exist in terms of getting a game that can separate good from bad players, in terms of getting a way less braindead meta. Balance isn't rly that hard: The easier a build is to play the less rewarding it should be even when played well and the more forgiving facetank ability a build has the less dmg it should make. In both points Anet always failed the balance. All the bruiser have way too much sustain for the dmg they do. And easy builds are often also the strongest (otherwise tell me the logic in Lost Time being able to crit, makes in general way more dmg than powerblock, apllies slow what is way more annoying than weakness, has better synergy with the interrupt nature because it makes interrupting easier but doesn't even need an interrupt to proc? Why is a trait with a higher reward easier to play?).In the current meta we have builds are good in everything. Just taking Holo as example it has good facetank ability (less than a war but still too much for the dmg it can do), high resustain ability even can be covered by stabi and stealth, high amount of aoe cc, perma mini burst (a lot even aoe) and good mobility. Holo could be a skillful class if it would be less broken and would have higher cd on keyskills. Atm a bad Holo doesn't even get punished for braindead skill spam because the cds are so low. Anet needs to reduce power creep all over the board and the sustain creep in the same moment. That is why i get cancer when i read dmg increased on skill x in the patch nodes. There is not a single skill in this game need a dmg increase atm. Every unused skill might get viable already by nerfing everything broken into the ground where it belongs.

I understand what you say and disagree about the : "CI+ lost time easy to play whereas power block is skilled.I'm sorry but did you play lockdown against other class than necro ?Basically if you

time your rupt

and wait for the opponent to use a key skill : the opponnent will just keep his stab/teleport/los to cast the keyskill.So yeah you may find burning CC on auto bad but you haven't really the choice if you want the opponenent to use his counter CC skills before you can rupt the good one.CI is far to be OP : it's basically the condi version of powerblock apart that it can be dispell instantly bt most builds so the reward with CI+LOst time is worst than with the domination line with PB + CS.

The skillfloor of PB+CS is under the skillfloor of CI+Lost time

and not the reverse. What are you even writing like of CI proc when no interruptions ?About Lost time alone, it was a dead trait since it's realease. only now it can littlecompete with chronophantasma.

They make mesmer way easier and for that noobfriendlier to play. Chaosline in addition also applies forgiving sustain, which is more or less passive because it doesn't effect your active gameplay. These are the big differences to Powerblock. Simple facts.Ho commong, you want passive ? Look at passive immob/cripple/weakness on thief, passive unstealth on holo, random aoe CC on holo/scourge, SB, 4on 1 skill like bullcharge and so on.In which world a trait who make a clic activation does average 1k and proc slow is passive in the current environnement. Wake up !
That there are other classes with builds even lamer and easier to play than a CI chaosline Powermes is a different story.Nonono It's not a different story because we face everyday this kind of pegi 4 class. And you can't remove one class a tool then maintain this on other.

I'm really angry when I read post like this who try to legitimate "subjective" point of view by saying it's facts.I will stay polite but I mainly disagree about what you say and your view of what is "skilling" or not.BTW lockdown builds are far to be rewarding considering the difficulty to calculate CC in a meta where many spec have cele or instnant skills. (And average cast time on important skill seems to be 0.25 sec...)Actually locks aren't efficient at all. (just 100% stunt on f3 is.)

Lets agree to disagree then, i argued pretty clear why powerblock is way more skilled than Lost Time and CI. You have more than enough time to interrupt all classes inbetween their cycle of stabi and aegis and ty to the amount of cc you have, you don't need to care for 1 or 2 stacks of stabi, you can remove the stabi stack with a cc chain if needed. Overall the stabi uptime is not too high to make an interrupt build unviable. And i am not crying about Mantra of Distraction being instant and ranged like a lot of clueless mesmer or mantra-hater would do. That Mantra of Distraction works like it does atm is pretty much needed for an interrupt build to make any sense. It is a skillful, reactive, interactive interrupt utility skill, as long as it is not compined with op effects from op traits. Powerblock is not op. I just say CI and Lost Time are overperforming and lower the skill ceiling and floor on mesmer remarkable, in particular compared to powerblock. I was talking to ppl crying about powerblock, telling them that this complain is stupid. So i am even more on your side than most ppl (most not mesmer mains) in this thread.

Also all big skills have enough casttime to interrupt them on purpose with Mantra of Distraction, there is no need for op traits like CI and Lost Time. Maybe you are too slow in your reaction time then? I don't know. Ofc meta builds need to get nerfed too in the same moment, not denying that. But just because other builds are op doesn't justify op stuff on mesmer. You clearly can play without being carried by Lost Time or CI when you are good enough. I agree that it is clearly hard to do and you need to be rly good compared to meta builds. But if you want an easy life mesmer shouldn't be your class choice at all. A class that has so much active outplay potential when played well should have a high skill floor and ceilling and no access of forgiving mistake passive sustain or a lot of access to easy applied dmg/ strong effects like immob to not be broken as hell.

You argue just that powerblock is a skill who do useless damage and can sometimes be good when you rupt key skill (basically heal.).A near useless skill is different than a skilleed skill (moreover with somes ICD bugs.).

You have more than enough time to interrupt all classes inbetween their cycle of stabi and aegisNo, apart necro who is eat alive versus lock : thief keyskill can't be rupted, FB keyskill like signet will always be under stab, Holo auto pop stab regulary, rev have easy breakstunt in their rotation when rupted during no evade phases, war can't be immob can FC, SlB will ever be under stab during hist keybusrt etc.ty to the amount of cc you have2 charges of mantra, 1 random torch fantasm, 1 random staff, F3. Each with a max duration of 1 sec. There is plethora of class in this meta who have hard CC with a hiher duration while not even specing into lock.Well this
ampunt of CC
basically mean that you can't get over more than 3 stacks of stab. If you are lucky and your clones didn't die instatly with a GS burst build you can hope to remove a usefull boon on shatter but it's clearly random.Overall the stabi uptime is not too high to make an interrupt build unviable.Yeah that's why we see lock mesmers all days... In EU we were two to play lock last season in leaderboard and the second isn't even in top 100.The problem isn't only the stabi uptime it's that there is way too much skill have no to low little cast and :Maybe you are too slow in your reaction time then?I clearly haven't mAt players reaction but objectively, consciently rupt a 0.25 cast skill with average ping is ahead most human reaction time.(Other problem is the visual effects (damage, pyrotechnic explosion who hide key skill cast...).)I just say CI and Lost Time are overperforming and lower the skill ceiling and floor on mesmer remarkable, in particular compared to powerblock.You compare a trait who rarely proc and even when it proc I find the reward low versus a trait (Lost time.) who take part in preparation to next rupt.Dunno why you take CI and Lost time in the same board as CI as the same function as Power Block.. You clearly can play without being carried by Lost Time or CI when you are good enough.Yeah, that's a no lockbuild, and that's how the least top mesmers plays... Because it is more usefull to no play full lock.I totally haven't any consideration about other cryers who want nerf because their pegi4 class get destroyed by a mesmer.But lock playskills are far to be on the carrying skills actually.

As said, lets agree to disagree. Powerblock is not useless, it is just not op and needs skill to be rewarding. That skills like that are considered useless in GW2 just shows how stupidly braindead and broken the meta is in this game. Maybe check Youtube for some high ranked Power Mesmer footage with only Powerblock interrupt gameplay. You will find some. There even was a thread about a video in the pvp forum not long ago. You will find baits to make targets pop their stabi, you will find outplays around stabi uptime, you will find well timed on purpose interrupts on big skills. It is kinda proven that it is possible also on higher skill lvl. Yes that might be an exceptional skill lvl you cannot expect from every random player but as said for these ppl there are 8 other classes to enjoy. I am not good enough to play a power shatter on high skill lvl myself, but i can accept it. I am multiclass player and i play mesmer as long as there are builds available easy enough to carry me. But tbf those builds shouldn't exist for a class with such high active outplay potential. Because in decent and above hands it will always be broken. You just see how much hate it creates when mesmer is balanced around average player like you and me (average in a game with in general very very low average skill lvl).

Ok then we remain disagree, I maintain that there is not rewards for playing lock build, particulary with power block. And videos we found on youtube on the subject aren't versus EU top 100 players but versus random plug.

The video posted not long ago in this forum had more than enough EU legend players involved to give only one example. The mesmer is as far as i saw placed around plat 3/ legend itself. But whatever, believe what you want , if you feel better doing so.

link please

Must be hard to skip to pace 2 or 3 to find it after i said it was posted not long ago. But let me search it for you.

viquing.8254 · June 15, 2019

@bravan.3876 said:
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@bravan.3876 said:
@viquing.8254 said:
Power Block is a very balanced trait, the dmg is not high enough to be even near as broken. The only traits need a nerf because they are op in their effects and make Mantra of Distraction rewarding even when only random spammed without interrupting or only interrupting autoattacks are CI and Lost Time. Mantra of Distraction with Powerblock is balanced and only rewards mindful interrupts on more than only autoattacks enough to be worth taking.

Have you ever try to rupt in a cele meta ?I mean a 0.25 sec decaled rupt failed and you are facing opponent under stab/aegis/cele.And even when you rupt someone with CI and Lost time what he does is 1 clic dispell and your calculated rupt is nullyfy with random dispell rotation. (Not even count the attacks that can't be rupt because 3 effects in 1.)And stop saying things like playing well in a lockbuil when the risk.investment in trait can be countered by simple condiclear. Show me where are the "skilled" players to argue please.

What? Did you even understand what i said? I said Powerblock is balanced in terms of the reward it gives. It is not too high dmg it is only on interrupts and it is only rewarding enough when you are able to interrupt big skills and not only random interrupting autoattacks. That is why i said an interrupt build only using Powerblock is balanced, has a very high skill ceiling and is in disadvantage vs most other builds in this game even when played very well.

Lost Time and CI are broken and have a very low skill ceiling and skill floor, they both give way too much reward (too much dmg + slow from Lost Time and an op immob. +might stacking without ICD on CI), so you either doesn't even need to interrupt something to proc it (Lost Time) or the reward is so strong that you don't need to care for what you interrupt, autoattacks are more then enough (CI). They make mesmer way easier and for that noobfriendlier to play. Chaosline in addition also applies forgiving sustain, which is more or less passive because it doesn't effect your active gameplay. These are the big differences to Powerblock. Simple facts.

That there are other classes with builds even lamer and easier to play than a CI chaosline Powermes is a different story. Both should not exist in terms of getting a game that can separate good from bad players, in terms of getting a way less braindead meta. Balance isn't rly that hard: The easier a build is to play the less rewarding it should be even when played well and the more forgiving facetank ability a build has the less dmg it should make. In both points Anet always failed the balance. All the bruiser have way too much sustain for the dmg they do. And easy builds are often also the strongest (otherwise tell me the logic in Lost Time being able to crit, makes in general way more dmg than powerblock, apllies slow what is way more annoying than weakness, has better synergy with the interrupt nature because it makes interrupting easier but doesn't even need an interrupt to proc? Why is a trait with a higher reward easier to play?).In the current meta we have builds are good in everything. Just taking Holo as example it has good facetank ability (less than a war but still too much for the dmg it can do), high resustain ability even can be covered by stabi and stealth, high amount of aoe cc, perma mini burst (a lot even aoe) and good mobility. Holo could be a skillful class if it would be less broken and would have higher cd on keyskills. Atm a bad Holo doesn't even get punished for braindead skill spam because the cds are so low. Anet needs to reduce power creep all over the board and the sustain creep in the same moment. That is why i get cancer when i read dmg increased on skill x in the patch nodes. There is not a single skill in this game need a dmg increase atm. Every unused skill might get viable already by nerfing everything broken into the ground where it belongs.

I understand what you say and disagree about the : "CI+ lost time easy to play whereas power block is skilled.I'm sorry but did you play lockdown against other class than necro ?Basically if you

time your rupt

and wait for the opponent to use a key skill : the opponnent will just keep his stab/teleport/los to cast the keyskill.So yeah you may find burning CC on auto bad but you haven't really the choice if you want the opponenent to use his counter CC skills before you can rupt the good one.CI is far to be OP : it's basically the condi version of powerblock apart that it can be dispell instantly bt most builds so the reward with CI+LOst time is worst than with the domination line with PB + CS.

The skillfloor of PB+CS is under the skillfloor of CI+Lost time

and not the reverse. What are you even writing like of CI proc when no interruptions ?About Lost time alone, it was a dead trait since it's realease. only now it can littlecompete with chronophantasma.

They make mesmer way easier and for that noobfriendlier to play. Chaosline in addition also applies forgiving sustain, which is more or less passive because it doesn't effect your active gameplay. These are the big differences to Powerblock. Simple facts.Ho commong, you want passive ? Look at passive immob/cripple/weakness on thief, passive unstealth on holo, random aoe CC on holo/scourge, SB, 4on 1 skill like bullcharge and so on.In which world a trait who make a clic activation does average 1k and proc slow is passive in the current environnement. Wake up !
That there are other classes with builds even lamer and easier to play than a CI chaosline Powermes is a different story.Nonono It's not a different story because we face everyday this kind of pegi 4 class. And you can't remove one class a tool then maintain this on other.

I'm really angry when I read post like this who try to legitimate "subjective" point of view by saying it's facts.I will stay polite but I mainly disagree about what you say and your view of what is "skilling" or not.BTW lockdown builds are far to be rewarding considering the difficulty to calculate CC in a meta where many spec have cele or instnant skills. (And average cast time on important skill seems to be 0.25 sec...)Actually locks aren't efficient at all. (just 100% stunt on f3 is.)

Lets agree to disagree then, i argued pretty clear why powerblock is way more skilled than Lost Time and CI. You have more than enough time to interrupt all classes inbetween their cycle of stabi and aegis and ty to the amount of cc you have, you don't need to care for 1 or 2 stacks of stabi, you can remove the stabi stack with a cc chain if needed. Overall the stabi uptime is not too high to make an interrupt build unviable. And i am not crying about Mantra of Distraction being instant and ranged like a lot of clueless mesmer or mantra-hater would do. That Mantra of Distraction works like it does atm is pretty much needed for an interrupt build to make any sense. It is a skillful, reactive, interactive interrupt utility skill, as long as it is not compined with op effects from op traits. Powerblock is not op. I just say CI and Lost Time are overperforming and lower the skill ceiling and floor on mesmer remarkable, in particular compared to powerblock. I was talking to ppl crying about powerblock, telling them that this complain is stupid. So i am even more on your side than most ppl (most not mesmer mains) in this thread.

Also all big skills have enough casttime to interrupt them on purpose with Mantra of Distraction, there is no need for op traits like CI and Lost Time. Maybe you are too slow in your reaction time then? I don't know. Ofc meta builds need to get nerfed too in the same moment, not denying that. But just because other builds are op doesn't justify op stuff on mesmer. You clearly can play without being carried by Lost Time or CI when you are good enough. I agree that it is clearly hard to do and you need to be rly good compared to meta builds. But if you want an easy life mesmer shouldn't be your class choice at all. A class that has so much active outplay potential when played well should have a high skill floor and ceilling and no access of forgiving mistake passive sustain or a lot of access to easy applied dmg/ strong effects like immob to not be broken as hell.

You argue just that powerblock is a skill who do useless damage and can sometimes be good when you rupt key skill (basically heal.).A near useless skill is different than a skilleed skill (moreover with somes ICD bugs.).

You have more than enough time to interrupt all classes inbetween their cycle of stabi and aegisNo, apart necro who is eat alive versus lock : thief keyskill can't be rupted, FB keyskill like signet will always be under stab, Holo auto pop stab regulary, rev have easy breakstunt in their rotation when rupted during no evade phases, war can't be immob can FC, SlB will ever be under stab during hist keybusrt etc.ty to the amount of cc you have2 charges of mantra, 1 random torch fantasm, 1 random staff, F3. Each with a max duration of 1 sec. There is plethora of class in this meta who have hard CC with a hiher duration while not even specing into lock.Well this
ampunt of CC
basically mean that you can't get over more than 3 stacks of stab. If you are lucky and your clones didn't die instatly with a GS burst build you can hope to remove a usefull boon on shatter but it's clearly random.Overall the stabi uptime is not too high to make an interrupt build unviable.Yeah that's why we see lock mesmers all days... In EU we were two to play lock last season in leaderboard and the second isn't even in top 100.The problem isn't only the stabi uptime it's that there is way too much skill have no to low little cast and :Maybe you are too slow in your reaction time then?I clearly haven't mAt players reaction but objectively, consciently rupt a 0.25 cast skill with average ping is ahead most human reaction time.(Other problem is the visual effects (damage, pyrotechnic explosion who hide key skill cast...).)I just say CI and Lost Time are overperforming and lower the skill ceiling and floor on mesmer remarkable, in particular compared to powerblock.You compare a trait who rarely proc and even when it proc I find the reward low versus a trait (Lost time.) who take part in preparation to next rupt.Dunno why you take CI and Lost time in the same board as CI as the same function as Power Block.. You clearly can play without being carried by Lost Time or CI when you are good enough.Yeah, that's a no lockbuild, and that's how the least top mesmers plays... Because it is more usefull to no play full lock.I totally haven't any consideration about other cryers who want nerf because their pegi4 class get destroyed by a mesmer.But lock playskills are far to be on the carrying skills actually.

As said, lets agree to disagree. Powerblock is not useless, it is just not op and needs skill to be rewarding. That skills like that are considered useless in GW2 just shows how stupidly braindead and broken the meta is in this game. Maybe check Youtube for some high ranked Power Mesmer footage with only Powerblock interrupt gameplay. You will find some. There even was a thread about a video in the pvp forum not long ago. You will find baits to make targets pop their stabi, you will find outplays around stabi uptime, you will find well timed on purpose interrupts on big skills. It is kinda proven that it is possible also on higher skill lvl. Yes that might be an exceptional skill lvl you cannot expect from every random player but as said for these ppl there are 8 other classes to enjoy. I am not good enough to play a power shatter on high skill lvl myself, but i can accept it. I am multiclass player and i play mesmer as long as there are builds available easy enough to carry me. But tbf those builds shouldn't exist for a class with such high active outplay potential. Because in decent and above hands it will always be broken. You just see how much hate it creates when mesmer is balanced around average player like you and me (average in a game with in general very very low average skill lvl).

Ok then we remain disagree, I maintain that there is not rewards for playing lock build, particulary with power block. And videos we found on youtube on the subject aren't versus EU top 100 players but versus random plug.

The video posted not long ago in this forum had more than enough EU legend players involved to give only one example. The mesmer is as far as i saw placed around plat 3/ legend itself. But whatever, believe what you want , if you feel better doing so.

link please

Must be hard to skip to pace 2 or 3 to find it after i said it was posted not long ago. But let me will search it for you.

Thanks because if you are talking about Jazz vid, I love the guy and his montage but it remain a montage, not the reality, neither a stream.

bravan.3876 · June 15, 2019

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Power Block is a very balanced trait, the dmg is not high enough to be even near as broken. The only traits need a nerf because they are op in their effects and make Mantra of Distraction rewarding even when only random spammed without interrupting or only interrupting autoattacks are CI and Lost Time. Mantra of Distraction with Powerblock is balanced and only rewards mindful interrupts on more than only autoattacks enough to be worth taking.

Have you ever try to rupt in a cele meta ?I mean a 0.25 sec decaled rupt failed and you are facing opponent under stab/aegis/cele.And even when you rupt someone with CI and Lost time what he does is 1 clic dispell and your calculated rupt is nullyfy with random dispell rotation. (Not even count the attacks that can't be rupt because 3 effects in 1.)And stop saying things like playing well in a lockbuil when the risk.investment in trait can be countered by simple condiclear. Show me where are the "skilled" players to argue please.

What? Did you even understand what i said? I said Powerblock is balanced in terms of the reward it gives. It is not too high dmg it is only on interrupts and it is only rewarding enough when you are able to interrupt big skills and not only random interrupting autoattacks. That is why i said an interrupt build only using Powerblock is balanced, has a very high skill ceiling and is in disadvantage vs most other builds in this game even when played very well.

Lost Time and CI are broken and have a very low skill ceiling and skill floor, they both give way too much reward (too much dmg + slow from Lost Time and an op immob. +might stacking without ICD on CI), so you either doesn't even need to interrupt something to proc it (Lost Time) or the reward is so strong that you don't need to care for what you interrupt, autoattacks are more then enough (CI). They make mesmer way easier and for that noobfriendlier to play. Chaosline in addition also applies forgiving sustain, which is more or less passive because it doesn't effect your active gameplay. These are the big differences to Powerblock. Simple facts.

That there are other classes with builds even lamer and easier to play than a CI chaosline Powermes is a different story. Both should not exist in terms of getting a game that can separate good from bad players, in terms of getting a way less braindead meta. Balance isn't rly that hard: The easier a build is to play the less rewarding it should be even when played well and the more forgiving facetank ability a build has the less dmg it should make. In both points Anet always failed the balance. All the bruiser have way too much sustain for the dmg they do. And easy builds are often also the strongest (otherwise tell me the logic in Lost Time being able to crit, makes in general way more dmg than powerblock, apllies slow what is way more annoying than weakness, has better synergy with the interrupt nature because it makes interrupting easier but doesn't even need an interrupt to proc? Why is a trait with a higher reward easier to play?).In the current meta we have builds are good in everything. Just taking Holo as example it has good facetank ability (less than a war but still too much for the dmg it can do), high resustain ability even can be covered by stabi and stealth, high amount of aoe cc, perma mini burst (a lot even aoe) and good mobility. Holo could be a skillful class if it would be less broken and would have higher cd on keyskills. Atm a bad Holo doesn't even get punished for braindead skill spam because the cds are so low. Anet needs to reduce power creep all over the board and the sustain creep in the same moment. That is why i get cancer when i read dmg increased on skill x in the patch nodes. There is not a single skill in this game need a dmg increase atm. Every unused skill might get viable already by nerfing everything broken into the ground where it belongs.

I understand what you say and disagree about the : "CI+ lost time easy to play whereas power block is skilled.I'm sorry but did you play lockdown against other class than necro ?Basically if you

time your rupt

and wait for the opponent to use a key skill : the opponnent will just keep his stab/teleport/los to cast the keyskill.So yeah you may find burning CC on auto bad but you haven't really the choice if you want the opponenent to use his counter CC skills before you can rupt the good one.CI is far to be OP : it's basically the condi version of powerblock apart that it can be dispell instantly bt most builds so the reward with CI+LOst time is worst than with the domination line with PB + CS.

The skillfloor of PB+CS is under the skillfloor of CI+Lost time

and not the reverse. What are you even writing like of CI proc when no interruptions ?About Lost time alone, it was a dead trait since it's realease. only now it can littlecompete with chronophantasma.

They make mesmer way easier and for that noobfriendlier to play. Chaosline in addition also applies forgiving sustain, which is more or less passive because it doesn't effect your active gameplay. These are the big differences to Powerblock. Simple facts.Ho commong, you want passive ? Look at passive immob/cripple/weakness on thief, passive unstealth on holo, random aoe CC on holo/scourge, SB, 4on 1 skill like bullcharge and so on.In which world a trait who make a clic activation does average 1k and proc slow is passive in the current environnement. Wake up !
That there are other classes with builds even lamer and easier to play than a CI chaosline Powermes is a different story.Nonono It's not a different story because we face everyday this kind of pegi 4 class. And you can't remove one class a tool then maintain this on other.

I'm really angry when I read post like this who try to legitimate "subjective" point of view by saying it's facts.I will stay polite but I mainly disagree about what you say and your view of what is "skilling" or not.BTW lockdown builds are far to be rewarding considering the difficulty to calculate CC in a meta where many spec have cele or instnant skills. (And average cast time on important skill seems to be 0.25 sec...)Actually locks aren't efficient at all. (just 100% stunt on f3 is.)

Lets agree to disagree then, i argued pretty clear why powerblock is way more skilled than Lost Time and CI. You have more than enough time to interrupt all classes inbetween their cycle of stabi and aegis and ty to the amount of cc you have, you don't need to care for 1 or 2 stacks of stabi, you can remove the stabi stack with a cc chain if needed. Overall the stabi uptime is not too high to make an interrupt build unviable. And i am not crying about Mantra of Distraction being instant and ranged like a lot of clueless mesmer or mantra-hater would do. That Mantra of Distraction works like it does atm is pretty much needed for an interrupt build to make any sense. It is a skillful, reactive, interactive interrupt utility skill, as long as it is not compined with op effects from op traits. Powerblock is not op. I just say CI and Lost Time are overperforming and lower the skill ceiling and floor on mesmer remarkable, in particular compared to powerblock. I was talking to ppl crying about powerblock, telling them that this complain is stupid. So i am even more on your side than most ppl (most not mesmer mains) in this thread.

Also all big skills have enough casttime to interrupt them on purpose with Mantra of Distraction, there is no need for op traits like CI and Lost Time. Maybe you are too slow in your reaction time then? I don't know. Ofc meta builds need to get nerfed too in the same moment, not denying that. But just because other builds are op doesn't justify op stuff on mesmer. You clearly can play without being carried by Lost Time or CI when you are good enough. I agree that it is clearly hard to do and you need to be rly good compared to meta builds. But if you want an easy life mesmer shouldn't be your class choice at all. A class that has so much active outplay potential when played well should have a high skill floor and ceilling and no access of forgiving mistake passive sustain or a lot of access to easy applied dmg/ strong effects like immob to not be broken as hell.

You argue just that powerblock is a skill who do useless damage and can sometimes be good when you rupt key skill (basically heal.).A near useless skill is different than a skilleed skill (moreover with somes ICD bugs.).

You have more than enough time to interrupt all classes inbetween their cycle of stabi and aegisNo, apart necro who is eat alive versus lock : thief keyskill can't be rupted, FB keyskill like signet will always be under stab, Holo auto pop stab regulary, rev have easy breakstunt in their rotation when rupted during no evade phases, war can't be immob can FC, SlB will ever be under stab during hist keybusrt etc.ty to the amount of cc you have2 charges of mantra, 1 random torch fantasm, 1 random staff, F3. Each with a max duration of 1 sec. There is plethora of class in this meta who have hard CC with a hiher duration while not even specing into lock.Well this
ampunt of CC
basically mean that you can't get over more than 3 stacks of stab. If you are lucky and your clones didn't die instatly with a GS burst build you can hope to remove a usefull boon on shatter but it's clearly random.Overall the stabi uptime is not too high to make an interrupt build unviable.Yeah that's why we see lock mesmers all days... In EU we were two to play lock last season in leaderboard and the second isn't even in top 100.The problem isn't only the stabi uptime it's that there is way too much skill have no to low little cast and :Maybe you are too slow in your reaction time then?I clearly haven't mAt players reaction but objectively, consciently rupt a 0.25 cast skill with average ping is ahead most human reaction time.(Other problem is the visual effects (damage, pyrotechnic explosion who hide key skill cast...).)I just say CI and Lost Time are overperforming and lower the skill ceiling and floor on mesmer remarkable, in particular compared to powerblock.You compare a trait who rarely proc and even when it proc I find the reward low versus a trait (Lost time.) who take part in preparation to next rupt.Dunno why you take CI and Lost time in the same board as CI as the same function as Power Block.. You clearly can play without being carried by Lost Time or CI when you are good enough.Yeah, that's a no lockbuild, and that's how the least top mesmers plays... Because it is more usefull to no play full lock.I totally haven't any consideration about other cryers who want nerf because their pegi4 class get destroyed by a mesmer.But lock playskills are far to be on the carrying skills actually.

As said, lets agree to disagree. Powerblock is not useless, it is just not op and needs skill to be rewarding. That skills like that are considered useless in GW2 just shows how stupidly braindead and broken the meta is in this game. Maybe check Youtube for some high ranked Power Mesmer footage with only Powerblock interrupt gameplay. You will find some. There even was a thread about a video in the pvp forum not long ago. You will find baits to make targets pop their stabi, you will find outplays around stabi uptime, you will find well timed on purpose interrupts on big skills. It is kinda proven that it is possible also on higher skill lvl. Yes that might be an exceptional skill lvl you cannot expect from every random player but as said for these ppl there are 8 other classes to enjoy. I am not good enough to play a power shatter on high skill lvl myself, but i can accept it. I am multiclass player and i play mesmer as long as there are builds available easy enough to carry me. But tbf those builds shouldn't exist for a class with such high active outplay potential. Because in decent and above hands it will always be broken. You just see how much hate it creates when mesmer is balanced around average player like you and me (average in a game with in general very very low average skill lvl).

Ok then we remain disagree, I maintain that there is not rewards for playing lock build, particulary with power block. And videos we found on youtube on the subject aren't versus EU top 100 players but versus random plug.

The video posted not long ago in this forum had more than enough EU legend players involved to give only one example. The mesmer is as far as i saw placed around plat 3/ legend itself. But whatever, believe what you want , if you feel better doing so.

link please

Must be hard to skip to pace 2 or 3 to find it after i said it was posted not long ago. But let me will search it for you.

Thanks because if you are talking about Jazz vid, I love the guy and his montage but it remain a montage, not the reality, neither a stream.

Yes that was the guy. It is on page 2 now. It doesn't matter if it is a montage or not. You can read the gameplay and his rank is plat3/ legend. Means everything you ask for.

Vieux P.1238 · June 15, 2019

Yes, as soon we get rid mesmers power zerker build.. Mesmers has no other builds to rely too. Condi build has been killed. Phantasm is nonexistent. The plan is working. Soon after we can kill off necro, holo, war then rangers. Revs is balance. No need to look at it.

Lincolnbeard.1735 · June 15, 2019

Jazz is one of the best power mesmers in game if not the best (and Thalia). Not me saying it, someone who duelled all the big names out there.

otto.5684 · June 15, 2019

@Vieux P.1238 said:Yes, as soon we get rid mesmers power zerker build.. Mesmers has no other builds to rely too. Condi build has been killed. Phantasm is nonexistent. The plan is working. Soon after we can kill off necro, holo, war then rangers. Revs is balance. No need to look at it.

I would not call power Mesmer a viable build. As Mesmer currently stands it has zero viable builds in sPvP.

viquing.8254 · June 15, 2019

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Power Block is a very balanced trait, the dmg is not high enough to be even near as broken. The only traits need a nerf because they are op in their effects and make Mantra of Distraction rewarding even when only random spammed without interrupting or only interrupting autoattacks are CI and Lost Time. Mantra of Distraction with Powerblock is balanced and only rewards mindful interrupts on more than only autoattacks enough to be worth taking.

Have you ever try to rupt in a cele meta ?I mean a 0.25 sec decaled rupt failed and you are facing opponent under stab/aegis/cele.And even when you rupt someone with CI and Lost time what he does is 1 clic dispell and your calculated rupt is nullyfy with random dispell rotation. (Not even count the attacks that can't be rupt because 3 effects in 1.)And stop saying things like playing well in a lockbuil when the risk.investment in trait can be countered by simple condiclear. Show me where are the "skilled" players to argue please.

What? Did you even understand what i said? I said Powerblock is balanced in terms of the reward it gives. It is not too high dmg it is only on interrupts and it is only rewarding enough when you are able to interrupt big skills and not only random interrupting autoattacks. That is why i said an interrupt build only using Powerblock is balanced, has a very high skill ceiling and is in disadvantage vs most other builds in this game even when played very well.

Lost Time and CI are broken and have a very low skill ceiling and skill floor, they both give way too much reward (too much dmg + slow from Lost Time and an op immob. +might stacking without ICD on CI), so you either doesn't even need to interrupt something to proc it (Lost Time) or the reward is so strong that you don't need to care for what you interrupt, autoattacks are more then enough (CI). They make mesmer way easier and for that noobfriendlier to play. Chaosline in addition also applies forgiving sustain, which is more or less passive because it doesn't effect your active gameplay. These are the big differences to Powerblock. Simple facts.

That there are other classes with builds even lamer and easier to play than a CI chaosline Powermes is a different story. Both should not exist in terms of getting a game that can separate good from bad players, in terms of getting a way less braindead meta. Balance isn't rly that hard: The easier a build is to play the less rewarding it should be even when played well and the more forgiving facetank ability a build has the less dmg it should make. In both points Anet always failed the balance. All the bruiser have way too much sustain for the dmg they do. And easy builds are often also the strongest (otherwise tell me the logic in Lost Time being able to crit, makes in general way more dmg than powerblock, apllies slow what is way more annoying than weakness, has better synergy with the interrupt nature because it makes interrupting easier but doesn't even need an interrupt to proc? Why is a trait with a higher reward easier to play?).In the current meta we have builds are good in everything. Just taking Holo as example it has good facetank ability (less than a war but still too much for the dmg it can do), high resustain ability even can be covered by stabi and stealth, high amount of aoe cc, perma mini burst (a lot even aoe) and good mobility. Holo could be a skillful class if it would be less broken and would have higher cd on keyskills. Atm a bad Holo doesn't even get punished for braindead skill spam because the cds are so low. Anet needs to reduce power creep all over the board and the sustain creep in the same moment. That is why i get cancer when i read dmg increased on skill x in the patch nodes. There is not a single skill in this game need a dmg increase atm. Every unused skill might get viable already by nerfing everything broken into the ground where it belongs.

I understand what you say and disagree about the : "CI+ lost time easy to play whereas power block is skilled.I'm sorry but did you play lockdown against other class than necro ?Basically if you

time your rupt

and wait for the opponent to use a key skill : the opponnent will just keep his stab/teleport/los to cast the keyskill.So yeah you may find burning CC on auto bad but you haven't really the choice if you want the opponenent to use his counter CC skills before you can rupt the good one.CI is far to be OP : it's basically the condi version of powerblock apart that it can be dispell instantly bt most builds so the reward with CI+LOst time is worst than with the domination line with PB + CS.

The skillfloor of PB+CS is under the skillfloor of CI+Lost time

and not the reverse. What are you even writing like of CI proc when no interruptions ?About Lost time alone, it was a dead trait since it's realease. only now it can littlecompete with chronophantasma.

They make mesmer way easier and for that noobfriendlier to play. Chaosline in addition also applies forgiving sustain, which is more or less passive because it doesn't effect your active gameplay. These are the big differences to Powerblock. Simple facts.Ho commong, you want passive ? Look at passive immob/cripple/weakness on thief, passive unstealth on holo, random aoe CC on holo/scourge, SB, 4on 1 skill like bullcharge and so on.In which world a trait who make a clic activation does average 1k and proc slow is passive in the current environnement. Wake up !
That there are other classes with builds even lamer and easier to play than a CI chaosline Powermes is a different story.Nonono It's not a different story because we face everyday this kind of pegi 4 class. And you can't remove one class a tool then maintain this on other.

I'm really angry when I read post like this who try to legitimate "subjective" point of view by saying it's facts.I will stay polite but I mainly disagree about what you say and your view of what is "skilling" or not.BTW lockdown builds are far to be rewarding considering the difficulty to calculate CC in a meta where many spec have cele or instnant skills. (And average cast time on important skill seems to be 0.25 sec...)Actually locks aren't efficient at all. (just 100% stunt on f3 is.)

Lets agree to disagree then, i argued pretty clear why powerblock is way more skilled than Lost Time and CI. You have more than enough time to interrupt all classes inbetween their cycle of stabi and aegis and ty to the amount of cc you have, you don't need to care for 1 or 2 stacks of stabi, you can remove the stabi stack with a cc chain if needed. Overall the stabi uptime is not too high to make an interrupt build unviable. And i am not crying about Mantra of Distraction being instant and ranged like a lot of clueless mesmer or mantra-hater would do. That Mantra of Distraction works like it does atm is pretty much needed for an interrupt build to make any sense. It is a skillful, reactive, interactive interrupt utility skill, as long as it is not compined with op effects from op traits. Powerblock is not op. I just say CI and Lost Time are overperforming and lower the skill ceiling and floor on mesmer remarkable, in particular compared to powerblock. I was talking to ppl crying about powerblock, telling them that this complain is stupid. So i am even more on your side than most ppl (most not mesmer mains) in this thread.

Also all big skills have enough casttime to interrupt them on purpose with Mantra of Distraction, there is no need for op traits like CI and Lost Time. Maybe you are too slow in your reaction time then? I don't know. Ofc meta builds need to get nerfed too in the same moment, not denying that. But just because other builds are op doesn't justify op stuff on mesmer. You clearly can play without being carried by Lost Time or CI when you are good enough. I agree that it is clearly hard to do and you need to be rly good compared to meta builds. But if you want an easy life mesmer shouldn't be your class choice at all. A class that has so much active outplay potential when played well should have a high skill floor and ceilling and no access of forgiving mistake passive sustain or a lot of access to easy applied dmg/ strong effects like immob to not be broken as hell.

You argue just that powerblock is a skill who do useless damage and can sometimes be good when you rupt key skill (basically heal.).A near useless skill is different than a skilleed skill (moreover with somes ICD bugs.).

You have more than enough time to interrupt all classes inbetween their cycle of stabi and aegisNo, apart necro who is eat alive versus lock : thief keyskill can't be rupted, FB keyskill like signet will always be under stab, Holo auto pop stab regulary, rev have easy breakstunt in their rotation when rupted during no evade phases, war can't be immob can FC, SlB will ever be under stab during hist keybusrt etc.ty to the amount of cc you have2 charges of mantra, 1 random torch fantasm, 1 random staff, F3. Each with a max duration of 1 sec. There is plethora of class in this meta who have hard CC with a hiher duration while not even specing into lock.Well this
ampunt of CC
basically mean that you can't get over more than 3 stacks of stab. If you are lucky and your clones didn't die instatly with a GS burst build you can hope to remove a usefull boon on shatter but it's clearly random.Overall the stabi uptime is not too high to make an interrupt build unviable.Yeah that's why we see lock mesmers all days... In EU we were two to play lock last season in leaderboard and the second isn't even in top 100.The problem isn't only the stabi uptime it's that there is way too much skill have no to low little cast and :Maybe you are too slow in your reaction time then?I clearly haven't mAt players reaction but objectively, consciently rupt a 0.25 cast skill with average ping is ahead most human reaction time.(Other problem is the visual effects (damage, pyrotechnic explosion who hide key skill cast...).)I just say CI and Lost Time are overperforming and lower the skill ceiling and floor on mesmer remarkable, in particular compared to powerblock.You compare a trait who rarely proc and even when it proc I find the reward low versus a trait (Lost time.) who take part in preparation to next rupt.Dunno why you take CI and Lost time in the same board as CI as the same function as Power Block.. You clearly can play without being carried by Lost Time or CI when you are good enough.Yeah, that's a no lockbuild, and that's how the least top mesmers plays... Because it is more usefull to no play full lock.I totally haven't any consideration about other cryers who want nerf because their pegi4 class get destroyed by a mesmer.But lock playskills are far to be on the carrying skills actually.

As said, lets agree to disagree. Powerblock is not useless, it is just not op and needs skill to be rewarding. That skills like that are considered useless in GW2 just shows how stupidly braindead and broken the meta is in this game. Maybe check Youtube for some high ranked Power Mesmer footage with only Powerblock interrupt gameplay. You will find some. There even was a thread about a video in the pvp forum not long ago. You will find baits to make targets pop their stabi, you will find outplays around stabi uptime, you will find well timed on purpose interrupts on big skills. It is kinda proven that it is possible also on higher skill lvl. Yes that might be an exceptional skill lvl you cannot expect from every random player but as said for these ppl there are 8 other classes to enjoy. I am not good enough to play a power shatter on high skill lvl myself, but i can accept it. I am multiclass player and i play mesmer as long as there are builds available easy enough to carry me. But tbf those builds shouldn't exist for a class with such high active outplay potential. Because in decent and above hands it will always be broken. You just see how much hate it creates when mesmer is balanced around average player like you and me (average in a game with in general very very low average skill lvl).

Ok then we remain disagree, I maintain that there is not rewards for playing lock build, particulary with power block. And videos we found on youtube on the subject aren't versus EU top 100 players but versus random plug.

The video posted not long ago in this forum had more than enough EU legend players involved to give only one example. The mesmer is as far as i saw placed around plat 3/ legend itself. But whatever, believe what you want , if you feel better doing so.

link please

Must be hard to skip to pace 2 or 3 to find it after i said it was posted not long ago. But let me will search it for you.

Thanks because if you are talking about Jazz vid, I love the guy and his montage but it remain a montage, not the reality, neither a stream.

Yes that was the guy. It is on page 2 now. It doesn't matter if it is a montage or not. You can read the gameplay and his rank is plat3/ legend. Means everything you ask for.

Of course it matter, a montage is done do highligh beautifil actions, that's it, you never see the majority of time were it never work.For example in real life, pretty combo with sword 3, success only 10% in reality because in 90%, the clone will be instant killed.

Vieux P.1238 · June 15, 2019

@otto.5684 said:
@Vieux P.1238 said:Yes, as soon we get rid mesmers power zerker build.. Mesmers has no other builds to rely too. Condi build has been killed. Phantasm is nonexistent. The plan is working. Soon after we can kill off necro, holo, war then rangers. Revs is balance. No need to look at it.

I would not call power Mesmer a viable build. As Mesmer currently stands it has zero viable builds in sPvP.

Not good anoth. I, as a casual pve player to lazy to dodge wants my pvp rank casual playing to fulfill my sensitive needs by getting rid of anything that works on me. So nerf power mirage or any power mersmer build while at it.

bravan.3876 · June 15, 2019

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Power Block is a very balanced trait, the dmg is not high enough to be even near as broken. The only traits need a nerf because they are op in their effects and make Mantra of Distraction rewarding even when only random spammed without interrupting or only interrupting autoattacks are CI and Lost Time. Mantra of Distraction with Powerblock is balanced and only rewards mindful interrupts on more than only autoattacks enough to be worth taking.

Have you ever try to rupt in a cele meta ?I mean a 0.25 sec decaled rupt failed and you are facing opponent under stab/aegis/cele.And even when you rupt someone with CI and Lost time what he does is 1 clic dispell and your calculated rupt is nullyfy with random dispell rotation. (Not even count the attacks that can't be rupt because 3 effects in 1.)And stop saying things like playing well in a lockbuil when the risk.investment in trait can be countered by simple condiclear. Show me where are the "skilled" players to argue please.

What? Did you even understand what i said? I said Powerblock is balanced in terms of the reward it gives. It is not too high dmg it is only on interrupts and it is only rewarding enough when you are able to interrupt big skills and not only random interrupting autoattacks. That is why i said an interrupt build only using Powerblock is balanced, has a very high skill ceiling and is in disadvantage vs most other builds in this game even when played very well.

Lost Time and CI are broken and have a very low skill ceiling and skill floor, they both give way too much reward (too much dmg + slow from Lost Time and an op immob. +might stacking without ICD on CI), so you either doesn't even need to interrupt something to proc it (Lost Time) or the reward is so strong that you don't need to care for what you interrupt, autoattacks are more then enough (CI). They make mesmer way easier and for that noobfriendlier to play. Chaosline in addition also applies forgiving sustain, which is more or less passive because it doesn't effect your active gameplay. These are the big differences to Powerblock. Simple facts.

That there are other classes with builds even lamer and easier to play than a CI chaosline Powermes is a different story. Both should not exist in terms of getting a game that can separate good from bad players, in terms of getting a way less braindead meta. Balance isn't rly that hard: The easier a build is to play the less rewarding it should be even when played well and the more forgiving facetank ability a build has the less dmg it should make. In both points Anet always failed the balance. All the bruiser have way too much sustain for the dmg they do. And easy builds are often also the strongest (otherwise tell me the logic in Lost Time being able to crit, makes in general way more dmg than powerblock, apllies slow what is way more annoying than weakness, has better synergy with the interrupt nature because it makes interrupting easier but doesn't even need an interrupt to proc? Why is a trait with a higher reward easier to play?).In the current meta we have builds are good in everything. Just taking Holo as example it has good facetank ability (less than a war but still too much for the dmg it can do), high resustain ability even can be covered by stabi and stealth, high amount of aoe cc, perma mini burst (a lot even aoe) and good mobility. Holo could be a skillful class if it would be less broken and would have higher cd on keyskills. Atm a bad Holo doesn't even get punished for braindead skill spam because the cds are so low. Anet needs to reduce power creep all over the board and the sustain creep in the same moment. That is why i get cancer when i read dmg increased on skill x in the patch nodes. There is not a single skill in this game need a dmg increase atm. Every unused skill might get viable already by nerfing everything broken into the ground where it belongs.

I understand what you say and disagree about the : "CI+ lost time easy to play whereas power block is skilled.I'm sorry but did you play lockdown against other class than necro ?Basically if you

time your rupt

and wait for the opponent to use a key skill : the opponnent will just keep his stab/teleport/los to cast the keyskill.So yeah you may find burning CC on auto bad but you haven't really the choice if you want the opponenent to use his counter CC skills before you can rupt the good one.CI is far to be OP : it's basically the condi version of powerblock apart that it can be dispell instantly bt most builds so the reward with CI+LOst time is worst than with the domination line with PB + CS.

The skillfloor of PB+CS is under the skillfloor of CI+Lost time

and not the reverse. What are you even writing like of CI proc when no interruptions ?About Lost time alone, it was a dead trait since it's realease. only now it can littlecompete with chronophantasma.

They make mesmer way easier and for that noobfriendlier to play. Chaosline in addition also applies forgiving sustain, which is more or less passive because it doesn't effect your active gameplay. These are the big differences to Powerblock. Simple facts.Ho commong, you want passive ? Look at passive immob/cripple/weakness on thief, passive unstealth on holo, random aoe CC on holo/scourge, SB, 4on 1 skill like bullcharge and so on.In which world a trait who make a clic activation does average 1k and proc slow is passive in the current environnement. Wake up !
That there are other classes with builds even lamer and easier to play than a CI chaosline Powermes is a different story.Nonono It's not a different story because we face everyday this kind of pegi 4 class. And you can't remove one class a tool then maintain this on other.

I'm really angry when I read post like this who try to legitimate "subjective" point of view by saying it's facts.I will stay polite but I mainly disagree about what you say and your view of what is "skilling" or not.BTW lockdown builds are far to be rewarding considering the difficulty to calculate CC in a meta where many spec have cele or instnant skills. (And average cast time on important skill seems to be 0.25 sec...)Actually locks aren't efficient at all. (just 100% stunt on f3 is.)

Lets agree to disagree then, i argued pretty clear why powerblock is way more skilled than Lost Time and CI. You have more than enough time to interrupt all classes inbetween their cycle of stabi and aegis and ty to the amount of cc you have, you don't need to care for 1 or 2 stacks of stabi, you can remove the stabi stack with a cc chain if needed. Overall the stabi uptime is not too high to make an interrupt build unviable. And i am not crying about Mantra of Distraction being instant and ranged like a lot of clueless mesmer or mantra-hater would do. That Mantra of Distraction works like it does atm is pretty much needed for an interrupt build to make any sense. It is a skillful, reactive, interactive interrupt utility skill, as long as it is not compined with op effects from op traits. Powerblock is not op. I just say CI and Lost Time are overperforming and lower the skill ceiling and floor on mesmer remarkable, in particular compared to powerblock. I was talking to ppl crying about powerblock, telling them that this complain is stupid. So i am even more on your side than most ppl (most not mesmer mains) in this thread.

Also all big skills have enough casttime to interrupt them on purpose with Mantra of Distraction, there is no need for op traits like CI and Lost Time. Maybe you are too slow in your reaction time then? I don't know. Ofc meta builds need to get nerfed too in the same moment, not denying that. But just because other builds are op doesn't justify op stuff on mesmer. You clearly can play without being carried by Lost Time or CI when you are good enough. I agree that it is clearly hard to do and you need to be rly good compared to meta builds. But if you want an easy life mesmer shouldn't be your class choice at all. A class that has so much active outplay potential when played well should have a high skill floor and ceilling and no access of forgiving mistake passive sustain or a lot of access to easy applied dmg/ strong effects like immob to not be broken as hell.

You argue just that powerblock is a skill who do useless damage and can sometimes be good when you rupt key skill (basically heal.).A near useless skill is different than a skilleed skill (moreover with somes ICD bugs.).

You have more than enough time to interrupt all classes inbetween their cycle of stabi and aegisNo, apart necro who is eat alive versus lock : thief keyskill can't be rupted, FB keyskill like signet will always be under stab, Holo auto pop stab regulary, rev have easy breakstunt in their rotation when rupted during no evade phases, war can't be immob can FC, SlB will ever be under stab during hist keybusrt etc.ty to the amount of cc you have2 charges of mantra, 1 random torch fantasm, 1 random staff, F3. Each with a max duration of 1 sec. There is plethora of class in this meta who have hard CC with a hiher duration while not even specing into lock.Well this
ampunt of CC
basically mean that you can't get over more than 3 stacks of stab. If you are lucky and your clones didn't die instatly with a GS burst build you can hope to remove a usefull boon on shatter but it's clearly random.Overall the stabi uptime is not too high to make an interrupt build unviable.Yeah that's why we see lock mesmers all days... In EU we were two to play lock last season in leaderboard and the second isn't even in top 100.The problem isn't only the stabi uptime it's that there is way too much skill have no to low little cast and :Maybe you are too slow in your reaction time then?I clearly haven't mAt players reaction but objectively, consciently rupt a 0.25 cast skill with average ping is ahead most human reaction time.(Other problem is the visual effects (damage, pyrotechnic explosion who hide key skill cast...).)I just say CI and Lost Time are overperforming and lower the skill ceiling and floor on mesmer remarkable, in particular compared to powerblock.You compare a trait who rarely proc and even when it proc I find the reward low versus a trait (Lost time.) who take part in preparation to next rupt.Dunno why you take CI and Lost time in the same board as CI as the same function as Power Block.. You clearly can play without being carried by Lost Time or CI when you are good enough.Yeah, that's a no lockbuild, and that's how the least top mesmers plays... Because it is more usefull to no play full lock.I totally haven't any consideration about other cryers who want nerf because their pegi4 class get destroyed by a mesmer.But lock playskills are far to be on the carrying skills actually.

As said, lets agree to disagree. Powerblock is not useless, it is just not op and needs skill to be rewarding. That skills like that are considered useless in GW2 just shows how stupidly braindead and broken the meta is in this game. Maybe check Youtube for some high ranked Power Mesmer footage with only Powerblock interrupt gameplay. You will find some. There even was a thread about a video in the pvp forum not long ago. You will find baits to make targets pop their stabi, you will find outplays around stabi uptime, you will find well timed on purpose interrupts on big skills. It is kinda proven that it is possible also on higher skill lvl. Yes that might be an exceptional skill lvl you cannot expect from every random player but as said for these ppl there are 8 other classes to enjoy. I am not good enough to play a power shatter on high skill lvl myself, but i can accept it. I am multiclass player and i play mesmer as long as there are builds available easy enough to carry me. But tbf those builds shouldn't exist for a class with such high active outplay potential. Because in decent and above hands it will always be broken. You just see how much hate it creates when mesmer is balanced around average player like you and me (average in a game with in general very very low average skill lvl).

Ok then we remain disagree, I maintain that there is not rewards for playing lock build, particulary with power block. And videos we found on youtube on the subject aren't versus EU top 100 players but versus random plug.

The video posted not long ago in this forum had more than enough EU legend players involved to give only one example. The mesmer is as far as i saw placed around plat 3/ legend itself. But whatever, believe what you want , if you feel better doing so.

link please

Must be hard to skip to pace 2 or 3 to find it after i said it was posted not long ago. But let me will search it for you.

Thanks because if you are talking about Jazz vid, I love the guy and his montage but it remain a montage, not the reality, neither a stream.

Yes that was the guy. It is on page 2 now. It doesn't matter if it is a montage or not. You can read the gameplay and his rank is plat3/ legend. Means everything you ask for.

Of course it matter, a montage is done do highligh beautifil actions, that's it, you never see the majority of time were it never work.For example in real life, pretty combo with sword 3, success only 10% in reality because in 90%, the clone will be instant killed.

What i mean is that if you are able to read the game you can clearly see that this build is working even vs top player when played very well. You also are able to see how skilled someone is and because the videos are cuts from very few matches mostly, means you also see that it is not cherry picked like crazy. When you read the gameplay you can see the skill lvl, at least when it is not cherry picked like one good action in a month or something what clearly isn't the case here. His videos usually show bait moves, unique move etc. all very high skilled would not happen for an average player once a year. And the mes is in the rank/ division you asked for.

But tbh i rly get tired of this discussion, for me it feels like you can't be conviced and contradict every argument no matter what^^ I am sure for you this build will not work (we can agree on that at least), neither for me and most other player in this game, but when you are good enough you can make it work in plat 3/ leg because that at least is proven by his videos.

Btw how often your sword 3 clone dies before you can port depends a lot with how you use it and i already agreed that with average skill lvl this build will not work in higher ranked pvp.

@Lincolnbeard.1735 said:Jazz is one of the best power mesmers in game if not the best (and Thalia). Not me saying it, someone who duelled all the big names out there.

From what i have seen of him compared to other mesmer footage on youtube and twitch and ingame i even would agree but i never said this build would work for the masses

viquing.8254 · June 15, 2019

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Power Block is a very balanced trait, the dmg is not high enough to be even near as broken. The only traits need a nerf because they are op in their effects and make Mantra of Distraction rewarding even when only random spammed without interrupting or only interrupting autoattacks are CI and Lost Time. Mantra of Distraction with Powerblock is balanced and only rewards mindful interrupts on more than only autoattacks enough to be worth taking.

Have you ever try to rupt in a cele meta ?I mean a 0.25 sec decaled rupt failed and you are facing opponent under stab/aegis/cele.And even when you rupt someone with CI and Lost time what he does is 1 clic dispell and your calculated rupt is nullyfy with random dispell rotation. (Not even count the attacks that can't be rupt because 3 effects in 1.)And stop saying things like playing well in a lockbuil when the risk.investment in trait can be countered by simple condiclear. Show me where are the "skilled" players to argue please.

What? Did you even understand what i said? I said Powerblock is balanced in terms of the reward it gives. It is not too high dmg it is only on interrupts and it is only rewarding enough when you are able to interrupt big skills and not only random interrupting autoattacks. That is why i said an interrupt build only using Powerblock is balanced, has a very high skill ceiling and is in disadvantage vs most other builds in this game even when played very well.

Lost Time and CI are broken and have a very low skill ceiling and skill floor, they both give way too much reward (too much dmg + slow from Lost Time and an op immob. +might stacking without ICD on CI), so you either doesn't even need to interrupt something to proc it (Lost Time) or the reward is so strong that you don't need to care for what you interrupt, autoattacks are more then enough (CI). They make mesmer way easier and for that noobfriendlier to play. Chaosline in addition also applies forgiving sustain, which is more or less passive because it doesn't effect your active gameplay. These are the big differences to Powerblock. Simple facts.

That there are other classes with builds even lamer and easier to play than a CI chaosline Powermes is a different story. Both should not exist in terms of getting a game that can separate good from bad players, in terms of getting a way less braindead meta. Balance isn't rly that hard: The easier a build is to play the less rewarding it should be even when played well and the more forgiving facetank ability a build has the less dmg it should make. In both points Anet always failed the balance. All the bruiser have way too much sustain for the dmg they do. And easy builds are often also the strongest (otherwise tell me the logic in Lost Time being able to crit, makes in general way more dmg than powerblock, apllies slow what is way more annoying than weakness, has better synergy with the interrupt nature because it makes interrupting easier but doesn't even need an interrupt to proc? Why is a trait with a higher reward easier to play?).In the current meta we have builds are good in everything. Just taking Holo as example it has good facetank ability (less than a war but still too much for the dmg it can do), high resustain ability even can be covered by stabi and stealth, high amount of aoe cc, perma mini burst (a lot even aoe) and good mobility. Holo could be a skillful class if it would be less broken and would have higher cd on keyskills. Atm a bad Holo doesn't even get punished for braindead skill spam because the cds are so low. Anet needs to reduce power creep all over the board and the sustain creep in the same moment. That is why i get cancer when i read dmg increased on skill x in the patch nodes. There is not a single skill in this game need a dmg increase atm. Every unused skill might get viable already by nerfing everything broken into the ground where it belongs.

I understand what you say and disagree about the : "CI+ lost time easy to play whereas power block is skilled.I'm sorry but did you play lockdown against other class than necro ?Basically if you

time your rupt

and wait for the opponent to use a key skill : the opponnent will just keep his stab/teleport/los to cast the keyskill.So yeah you may find burning CC on auto bad but you haven't really the choice if you want the opponenent to use his counter CC skills before you can rupt the good one.CI is far to be OP : it's basically the condi version of powerblock apart that it can be dispell instantly bt most builds so the reward with CI+LOst time is worst than with the domination line with PB + CS.

The skillfloor of PB+CS is under the skillfloor of CI+Lost time

and not the reverse. What are you even writing like of CI proc when no interruptions ?About Lost time alone, it was a dead trait since it's realease. only now it can littlecompete with chronophantasma.

They make mesmer way easier and for that noobfriendlier to play. Chaosline in addition also applies forgiving sustain, which is more or less passive because it doesn't effect your active gameplay. These are the big differences to Powerblock. Simple facts.Ho commong, you want passive ? Look at passive immob/cripple/weakness on thief, passive unstealth on holo, random aoe CC on holo/scourge, SB, 4on 1 skill like bullcharge and so on.In which world a trait who make a clic activation does average 1k and proc slow is passive in the current environnement. Wake up !
That there are other classes with builds even lamer and easier to play than a CI chaosline Powermes is a different story.Nonono It's not a different story because we face everyday this kind of pegi 4 class. And you can't remove one class a tool then maintain this on other.

I'm really angry when I read post like this who try to legitimate "subjective" point of view by saying it's facts.I will stay polite but I mainly disagree about what you say and your view of what is "skilling" or not.BTW lockdown builds are far to be rewarding considering the difficulty to calculate CC in a meta where many spec have cele or instnant skills. (And average cast time on important skill seems to be 0.25 sec...)Actually locks aren't efficient at all. (just 100% stunt on f3 is.)

Lets agree to disagree then, i argued pretty clear why powerblock is way more skilled than Lost Time and CI. You have more than enough time to interrupt all classes inbetween their cycle of stabi and aegis and ty to the amount of cc you have, you don't need to care for 1 or 2 stacks of stabi, you can remove the stabi stack with a cc chain if needed. Overall the stabi uptime is not too high to make an interrupt build unviable. And i am not crying about Mantra of Distraction being instant and ranged like a lot of clueless mesmer or mantra-hater would do. That Mantra of Distraction works like it does atm is pretty much needed for an interrupt build to make any sense. It is a skillful, reactive, interactive interrupt utility skill, as long as it is not compined with op effects from op traits. Powerblock is not op. I just say CI and Lost Time are overperforming and lower the skill ceiling and floor on mesmer remarkable, in particular compared to powerblock. I was talking to ppl crying about powerblock, telling them that this complain is stupid. So i am even more on your side than most ppl (most not mesmer mains) in this thread.

Also all big skills have enough casttime to interrupt them on purpose with Mantra of Distraction, there is no need for op traits like CI and Lost Time. Maybe you are too slow in your reaction time then? I don't know. Ofc meta builds need to get nerfed too in the same moment, not denying that. But just because other builds are op doesn't justify op stuff on mesmer. You clearly can play without being carried by Lost Time or CI when you are good enough. I agree that it is clearly hard to do and you need to be rly good compared to meta builds. But if you want an easy life mesmer shouldn't be your class choice at all. A class that has so much active outplay potential when played well should have a high skill floor and ceilling and no access of forgiving mistake passive sustain or a lot of access to easy applied dmg/ strong effects like immob to not be broken as hell.

You argue just that powerblock is a skill who do useless damage and can sometimes be good when you rupt key skill (basically heal.).A near useless skill is different than a skilleed skill (moreover with somes ICD bugs.).

You have more than enough time to interrupt all classes inbetween their cycle of stabi and aegisNo, apart necro who is eat alive versus lock : thief keyskill can't be rupted, FB keyskill like signet will always be under stab, Holo auto pop stab regulary, rev have easy breakstunt in their rotation when rupted during no evade phases, war can't be immob can FC, SlB will ever be under stab during hist keybusrt etc.ty to the amount of cc you have2 charges of mantra, 1 random torch fantasm, 1 random staff, F3. Each with a max duration of 1 sec. There is plethora of class in this meta who have hard CC with a hiher duration while not even specing into lock.Well this
ampunt of CC
basically mean that you can't get over more than 3 stacks of stab. If you are lucky and your clones didn't die instatly with a GS burst build you can hope to remove a usefull boon on shatter but it's clearly random.Overall the stabi uptime is not too high to make an interrupt build unviable.Yeah that's why we see lock mesmers all days... In EU we were two to play lock last season in leaderboard and the second isn't even in top 100.The problem isn't only the stabi uptime it's that there is way too much skill have no to low little cast and :Maybe you are too slow in your reaction time then?I clearly haven't mAt players reaction but objectively, consciently rupt a 0.25 cast skill with average ping is ahead most human reaction time.(Other problem is the visual effects (damage, pyrotechnic explosion who hide key skill cast...).)I just say CI and Lost Time are overperforming and lower the skill ceiling and floor on mesmer remarkable, in particular compared to powerblock.You compare a trait who rarely proc and even when it proc I find the reward low versus a trait (Lost time.) who take part in preparation to next rupt.Dunno why you take CI and Lost time in the same board as CI as the same function as Power Block.. You clearly can play without being carried by Lost Time or CI when you are good enough.Yeah, that's a no lockbuild, and that's how the least top mesmers plays... Because it is more usefull to no play full lock.I totally haven't any consideration about other cryers who want nerf because their pegi4 class get destroyed by a mesmer.But lock playskills are far to be on the carrying skills actually.

As said, lets agree to disagree. Powerblock is not useless, it is just not op and needs skill to be rewarding. That skills like that are considered useless in GW2 just shows how stupidly braindead and broken the meta is in this game. Maybe check Youtube for some high ranked Power Mesmer footage with only Powerblock interrupt gameplay. You will find some. There even was a thread about a video in the pvp forum not long ago. You will find baits to make targets pop their stabi, you will find outplays around stabi uptime, you will find well timed on purpose interrupts on big skills. It is kinda proven that it is possible also on higher skill lvl. Yes that might be an exceptional skill lvl you cannot expect from every random player but as said for these ppl there are 8 other classes to enjoy. I am not good enough to play a power shatter on high skill lvl myself, but i can accept it. I am multiclass player and i play mesmer as long as there are builds available easy enough to carry me. But tbf those builds shouldn't exist for a class with such high active outplay potential. Because in decent and above hands it will always be broken. You just see how much hate it creates when mesmer is balanced around average player like you and me (average in a game with in general very very low average skill lvl).

Ok then we remain disagree, I maintain that there is not rewards for playing lock build, particulary with power block. And videos we found on youtube on the subject aren't versus EU top 100 players but versus random plug.

The video posted not long ago in this forum had more than enough EU legend players involved to give only one example. The mesmer is as far as i saw placed around plat 3/ legend itself. But whatever, believe what you want , if you feel better doing so.

link please

Must be hard to skip to pace 2 or 3 to find it after i said it was posted not long ago. But let me will search it for you.

Thanks because if you are talking about Jazz vid, I love the guy and his montage but it remain a montage, not the reality, neither a stream.

Yes that was the guy. It is on page 2 now. It doesn't matter if it is a montage or not. You can read the gameplay and his rank is plat3/ legend. Means everything you ask for.

Of course it matter, a montage is done do highligh beautifil actions, that's it, you never see the majority of time were it never work.For example in real life, pretty combo with sword 3, success only 10% in reality because in 90%, the clone will be instant killed.

What i mean is that if you are able to read the game you can clearly see that this build is working even vs top player when played very well. You also are able to see how skilled someone is and because the videos are cuts from very few matches mostly you also see that it is not cherry picked like crazy. When you read the gameplay you can see the skill lvl, at least when it is not cherry picked like one good action in a month or something what clearly isn't the case here. His videos usually show bait moves, unique move etc. all very high skilled would not happen for an average player once a year. And the mes is in the rank/ division you asked for.Nop, waht I see is that most pretty actions aren't done vs top players, and that macths vs good players have more cutting than other. Now I don't want to go on a detailled analysis of the vid because ofc he play well but discuss with him, I 'm sure he can explain how it work on the backsize.Ofc he is good, ofc he did actions I never did even while playing mes since 2012 but finally as beautiful as an action can be that's not with this you win game. Prove is that he play better than me and I have better rating which mean it's fun but unefficient.But tbh i rly get tired of this discussion, for me it feels like you can't be conviced and contradict every argument no matter what^^ I am sure for you this build will not work (we can agree on that at least), neither for me and most other player in this game, but when you are good enough you can make it work in plat 3/ leg because that at least is proven by his videos.Actually last season I ending 33th by playing 75% GS lock burst, 25% condilock burst. So I didn't know if it didn't work for me or not but I'm really frustrated when I face opponent who eat every single lock and kill me in 2 click... Hard for me to find the reward.Btw how often your sword 3 clone dies before you can port depends a lot with how you use it and i already agree that with average skill lvl this build will not work in higher ranked pvp.Even with high lvl skill it will not work in high lvl.

bravan.3876 · June 15, 2019

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Power Block is a very balanced trait, the dmg is not high enough to be even near as broken. The only traits need a nerf because they are op in their effects and make Mantra of Distraction rewarding even when only random spammed without interrupting or only interrupting autoattacks are CI and Lost Time. Mantra of Distraction with Powerblock is balanced and only rewards mindful interrupts on more than only autoattacks enough to be worth taking.

Have you ever try to rupt in a cele meta ?I mean a 0.25 sec decaled rupt failed and you are facing opponent under stab/aegis/cele.And even when you rupt someone with CI and Lost time what he does is 1 clic dispell and your calculated rupt is nullyfy with random dispell rotation. (Not even count the attacks that can't be rupt because 3 effects in 1.)And stop saying things like playing well in a lockbuil when the risk.investment in trait can be countered by simple condiclear. Show me where are the "skilled" players to argue please.

What? Did you even understand what i said? I said Powerblock is balanced in terms of the reward it gives. It is not too high dmg it is only on interrupts and it is only rewarding enough when you are able to interrupt big skills and not only random interrupting autoattacks. That is why i said an interrupt build only using Powerblock is balanced, has a very high skill ceiling and is in disadvantage vs most other builds in this game even when played very well.

Lost Time and CI are broken and have a very low skill ceiling and skill floor, they both give way too much reward (too much dmg + slow from Lost Time and an op immob. +might stacking without ICD on CI), so you either doesn't even need to interrupt something to proc it (Lost Time) or the reward is so strong that you don't need to care for what you interrupt, autoattacks are more then enough (CI). They make mesmer way easier and for that noobfriendlier to play. Chaosline in addition also applies forgiving sustain, which is more or less passive because it doesn't effect your active gameplay. These are the big differences to Powerblock. Simple facts.

That there are other classes with builds even lamer and easier to play than a CI chaosline Powermes is a different story. Both should not exist in terms of getting a game that can separate good from bad players, in terms of getting a way less braindead meta. Balance isn't rly that hard: The easier a build is to play the less rewarding it should be even when played well and the more forgiving facetank ability a build has the less dmg it should make. In both points Anet always failed the balance. All the bruiser have way too much sustain for the dmg they do. And easy builds are often also the strongest (otherwise tell me the logic in Lost Time being able to crit, makes in general way more dmg than powerblock, apllies slow what is way more annoying than weakness, has better synergy with the interrupt nature because it makes interrupting easier but doesn't even need an interrupt to proc? Why is a trait with a higher reward easier to play?).In the current meta we have builds are good in everything. Just taking Holo as example it has good facetank ability (less than a war but still too much for the dmg it can do), high resustain ability even can be covered by stabi and stealth, high amount of aoe cc, perma mini burst (a lot even aoe) and good mobility. Holo could be a skillful class if it would be less broken and would have higher cd on keyskills. Atm a bad Holo doesn't even get punished for braindead skill spam because the cds are so low. Anet needs to reduce power creep all over the board and the sustain creep in the same moment. That is why i get cancer when i read dmg increased on skill x in the patch nodes. There is not a single skill in this game need a dmg increase atm. Every unused skill might get viable already by nerfing everything broken into the ground where it belongs.

I understand what you say and disagree about the : "CI+ lost time easy to play whereas power block is skilled.I'm sorry but did you play lockdown against other class than necro ?Basically if you

time your rupt

and wait for the opponent to use a key skill : the opponnent will just keep his stab/teleport/los to cast the keyskill.So yeah you may find burning CC on auto bad but you haven't really the choice if you want the opponenent to use his counter CC skills before you can rupt the good one.CI is far to be OP : it's basically the condi version of powerblock apart that it can be dispell instantly bt most builds so the reward with CI+LOst time is worst than with the domination line with PB + CS.

The skillfloor of PB+CS is under the skillfloor of CI+Lost time

and not the reverse. What are you even writing like of CI proc when no interruptions ?About Lost time alone, it was a dead trait since it's realease. only now it can littlecompete with chronophantasma.

They make mesmer way easier and for that noobfriendlier to play. Chaosline in addition also applies forgiving sustain, which is more or less passive because it doesn't effect your active gameplay. These are the big differences to Powerblock. Simple facts.Ho commong, you want passive ? Look at passive immob/cripple/weakness on thief, passive unstealth on holo, random aoe CC on holo/scourge, SB, 4on 1 skill like bullcharge and so on.In which world a trait who make a clic activation does average 1k and proc slow is passive in the current environnement. Wake up !
That there are other classes with builds even lamer and easier to play than a CI chaosline Powermes is a different story.Nonono It's not a different story because we face everyday this kind of pegi 4 class. And you can't remove one class a tool then maintain this on other.

I'm really angry when I read post like this who try to legitimate "subjective" point of view by saying it's facts.I will stay polite but I mainly disagree about what you say and your view of what is "skilling" or not.BTW lockdown builds are far to be rewarding considering the difficulty to calculate CC in a meta where many spec have cele or instnant skills. (And average cast time on important skill seems to be 0.25 sec...)Actually locks aren't efficient at all. (just 100% stunt on f3 is.)

Lets agree to disagree then, i argued pretty clear why powerblock is way more skilled than Lost Time and CI. You have more than enough time to interrupt all classes inbetween their cycle of stabi and aegis and ty to the amount of cc you have, you don't need to care for 1 or 2 stacks of stabi, you can remove the stabi stack with a cc chain if needed. Overall the stabi uptime is not too high to make an interrupt build unviable. And i am not crying about Mantra of Distraction being instant and ranged like a lot of clueless mesmer or mantra-hater would do. That Mantra of Distraction works like it does atm is pretty much needed for an interrupt build to make any sense. It is a skillful, reactive, interactive interrupt utility skill, as long as it is not compined with op effects from op traits. Powerblock is not op. I just say CI and Lost Time are overperforming and lower the skill ceiling and floor on mesmer remarkable, in particular compared to powerblock. I was talking to ppl crying about powerblock, telling them that this complain is stupid. So i am even more on your side than most ppl (most not mesmer mains) in this thread.

Also all big skills have enough casttime to interrupt them on purpose with Mantra of Distraction, there is no need for op traits like CI and Lost Time. Maybe you are too slow in your reaction time then? I don't know. Ofc meta builds need to get nerfed too in the same moment, not denying that. But just because other builds are op doesn't justify op stuff on mesmer. You clearly can play without being carried by Lost Time or CI when you are good enough. I agree that it is clearly hard to do and you need to be rly good compared to meta builds. But if you want an easy life mesmer shouldn't be your class choice at all. A class that has so much active outplay potential when played well should have a high skill floor and ceilling and no access of forgiving mistake passive sustain or a lot of access to easy applied dmg/ strong effects like immob to not be broken as hell.

You argue just that powerblock is a skill who do useless damage and can sometimes be good when you rupt key skill (basically heal.).A near useless skill is different than a skilleed skill (moreover with somes ICD bugs.).

You have more than enough time to interrupt all classes inbetween their cycle of stabi and aegisNo, apart necro who is eat alive versus lock : thief keyskill can't be rupted, FB keyskill like signet will always be under stab, Holo auto pop stab regulary, rev have easy breakstunt in their rotation when rupted during no evade phases, war can't be immob can FC, SlB will ever be under stab during hist keybusrt etc.ty to the amount of cc you have2 charges of mantra, 1 random torch fantasm, 1 random staff, F3. Each with a max duration of 1 sec. There is plethora of class in this meta who have hard CC with a hiher duration while not even specing into lock.Well this
ampunt of CC
basically mean that you can't get over more than 3 stacks of stab. If you are lucky and your clones didn't die instatly with a GS burst build you can hope to remove a usefull boon on shatter but it's clearly random.Overall the stabi uptime is not too high to make an interrupt build unviable.Yeah that's why we see lock mesmers all days... In EU we were two to play lock last season in leaderboard and the second isn't even in top 100.The problem isn't only the stabi uptime it's that there is way too much skill have no to low little cast and :Maybe you are too slow in your reaction time then?I clearly haven't mAt players reaction but objectively, consciently rupt a 0.25 cast skill with average ping is ahead most human reaction time.(Other problem is the visual effects (damage, pyrotechnic explosion who hide key skill cast...).)I just say CI and Lost Time are overperforming and lower the skill ceiling and floor on mesmer remarkable, in particular compared to powerblock.You compare a trait who rarely proc and even when it proc I find the reward low versus a trait (Lost time.) who take part in preparation to next rupt.Dunno why you take CI and Lost time in the same board as CI as the same function as Power Block.. You clearly can play without being carried by Lost Time or CI when you are good enough.Yeah, that's a no lockbuild, and that's how the least top mesmers plays... Because it is more usefull to no play full lock.I totally haven't any consideration about other cryers who want nerf because their pegi4 class get destroyed by a mesmer.But lock playskills are far to be on the carrying skills actually.

As said, lets agree to disagree. Powerblock is not useless, it is just not op and needs skill to be rewarding. That skills like that are considered useless in GW2 just shows how stupidly braindead and broken the meta is in this game. Maybe check Youtube for some high ranked Power Mesmer footage with only Powerblock interrupt gameplay. You will find some. There even was a thread about a video in the pvp forum not long ago. You will find baits to make targets pop their stabi, you will find outplays around stabi uptime, you will find well timed on purpose interrupts on big skills. It is kinda proven that it is possible also on higher skill lvl. Yes that might be an exceptional skill lvl you cannot expect from every random player but as said for these ppl there are 8 other classes to enjoy. I am not good enough to play a power shatter on high skill lvl myself, but i can accept it. I am multiclass player and i play mesmer as long as there are builds available easy enough to carry me. But tbf those builds shouldn't exist for a class with such high active outplay potential. Because in decent and above hands it will always be broken. You just see how much hate it creates when mesmer is balanced around average player like you and me (average in a game with in general very very low average skill lvl).

Ok then we remain disagree, I maintain that there is not rewards for playing lock build, particulary with power block. And videos we found on youtube on the subject aren't versus EU top 100 players but versus random plug.

The video posted not long ago in this forum had more than enough EU legend players involved to give only one example. The mesmer is as far as i saw placed around plat 3/ legend itself. But whatever, believe what you want , if you feel better doing so.

link please

Must be hard to skip to pace 2 or 3 to find it after i said it was posted not long ago. But let me will search it for you.

Thanks because if you are talking about Jazz vid, I love the guy and his montage but it remain a montage, not the reality, neither a stream.

Yes that was the guy. It is on page 2 now. It doesn't matter if it is a montage or not. You can read the gameplay and his rank is plat3/ legend. Means everything you ask for.

Of course it matter, a montage is done do highligh beautifil actions, that's it, you never see the majority of time were it never work.For example in real life, pretty combo with sword 3, success only 10% in reality because in 90%, the clone will be instant killed.

What i mean is that if you are able to read the game you can clearly see that this build is working even vs top player when played very well. You also are able to see how skilled someone is and because the videos are cuts from very few matches mostly you also see that it is not cherry picked like crazy. When you read the gameplay you can see the skill lvl, at least when it is not cherry picked like one good action in a month or something what clearly isn't the case here. His videos usually show bait moves, unique move etc. all very high skilled would not happen for an average player once a year. And the mes is in the rank/ division you asked for.Nop, waht I see is that most pretty actions aren't done vs top players, and that macths vs good players have more cutting than other. Now I don't want to go on a detailled analysis of the vid because ofc he play well but discuss with him, I 'm sure he can explain how it work on the backsize.Ofc he is good, ofc he did actions I never did even while playing mes since 2012 but finally as beautiful as an action can be that's not with this you win game. Prove is that he play better than me and I have better rating which mean it's fun but unefficient.But tbh i rly get tired of this discussion, for me it feels like you can't be conviced and contradict every argument no matter what^^ I am sure for you this build will not work (we can agree on that at least), neither for me and most other player in this game, but when you are good enough you can make it work in plat 3/ leg because that at least is proven by his videos.Actually last season I ending 33th by playing 75% GS lock burst, 25% condilock burst. So I didn't know if it didn't work for me or not but I'm really frustrated when I face opponent who eat every single lock and kill me in 2 click... Hard for me to find the reward.Btw how often your sword 3 clone dies before you can port depends a lot with how you use it and i already agree that with average skill lvl this build will not work in higher ranked pvp.Even with high lvl skill it will not work in high lvl.

I dunno at what rating/ lb place he goes up at maximum , means i don't know if you have a higher rank in general and over a longer time period but if yes the reasons are obvious, you play builds carry you, just like i do and he doesn't. Also the correlation between lb and skill lvl isn't nearly as high as it should be. A lot of high skilled actions were also vs higher ranked ppl, the stabi bait on coocky is one example i remember without rewatching. He is playing this build successfully in high ranks, that is a fact you just can't talk away dude rofl. But yeah lets just agree to not agree and end this pain of a discussion. Have a nice day :)

viquing.8254 · June 15, 2019

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Power Block is a very balanced trait, the dmg is not high enough to be even near as broken. The only traits need a nerf because they are op in their effects and make Mantra of Distraction rewarding even when only random spammed without interrupting or only interrupting autoattacks are CI and Lost Time. Mantra of Distraction with Powerblock is balanced and only rewards mindful interrupts on more than only autoattacks enough to be worth taking.

Have you ever try to rupt in a cele meta ?I mean a 0.25 sec decaled rupt failed and you are facing opponent under stab/aegis/cele.And even when you rupt someone with CI and Lost time what he does is 1 clic dispell and your calculated rupt is nullyfy with random dispell rotation. (Not even count the attacks that can't be rupt because 3 effects in 1.)And stop saying things like playing well in a lockbuil when the risk.investment in trait can be countered by simple condiclear. Show me where are the "skilled" players to argue please.

What? Did you even understand what i said? I said Powerblock is balanced in terms of the reward it gives. It is not too high dmg it is only on interrupts and it is only rewarding enough when you are able to interrupt big skills and not only random interrupting autoattacks. That is why i said an interrupt build only using Powerblock is balanced, has a very high skill ceiling and is in disadvantage vs most other builds in this game even when played very well.

Lost Time and CI are broken and have a very low skill ceiling and skill floor, they both give way too much reward (too much dmg + slow from Lost Time and an op immob. +might stacking without ICD on CI), so you either doesn't even need to interrupt something to proc it (Lost Time) or the reward is so strong that you don't need to care for what you interrupt, autoattacks are more then enough (CI). They make mesmer way easier and for that noobfriendlier to play. Chaosline in addition also applies forgiving sustain, which is more or less passive because it doesn't effect your active gameplay. These are the big differences to Powerblock. Simple facts.

That there are other classes with builds even lamer and easier to play than a CI chaosline Powermes is a different story. Both should not exist in terms of getting a game that can separate good from bad players, in terms of getting a way less braindead meta. Balance isn't rly that hard: The easier a build is to play the less rewarding it should be even when played well and the more forgiving facetank ability a build has the less dmg it should make. In both points Anet always failed the balance. All the bruiser have way too much sustain for the dmg they do. And easy builds are often also the strongest (otherwise tell me the logic in Lost Time being able to crit, makes in general way more dmg than powerblock, apllies slow what is way more annoying than weakness, has better synergy with the interrupt nature because it makes interrupting easier but doesn't even need an interrupt to proc? Why is a trait with a higher reward easier to play?).In the current meta we have builds are good in everything. Just taking Holo as example it has good facetank ability (less than a war but still too much for the dmg it can do), high resustain ability even can be covered by stabi and stealth, high amount of aoe cc, perma mini burst (a lot even aoe) and good mobility. Holo could be a skillful class if it would be less broken and would have higher cd on keyskills. Atm a bad Holo doesn't even get punished for braindead skill spam because the cds are so low. Anet needs to reduce power creep all over the board and the sustain creep in the same moment. That is why i get cancer when i read dmg increased on skill x in the patch nodes. There is not a single skill in this game need a dmg increase atm. Every unused skill might get viable already by nerfing everything broken into the ground where it belongs.

I understand what you say and disagree about the : "CI+ lost time easy to play whereas power block is skilled.I'm sorry but did you play lockdown against other class than necro ?Basically if you

time your rupt

and wait for the opponent to use a key skill : the opponnent will just keep his stab/teleport/los to cast the keyskill.So yeah you may find burning CC on auto bad but you haven't really the choice if you want the opponenent to use his counter CC skills before you can rupt the good one.CI is far to be OP : it's basically the condi version of powerblock apart that it can be dispell instantly bt most builds so the reward with CI+LOst time is worst than with the domination line with PB + CS.

The skillfloor of PB+CS is under the skillfloor of CI+Lost time

and not the reverse. What are you even writing like of CI proc when no interruptions ?About Lost time alone, it was a dead trait since it's realease. only now it can littlecompete with chronophantasma.

They make mesmer way easier and for that noobfriendlier to play. Chaosline in addition also applies forgiving sustain, which is more or less passive because it doesn't effect your active gameplay. These are the big differences to Powerblock. Simple facts.Ho commong, you want passive ? Look at passive immob/cripple/weakness on thief, passive unstealth on holo, random aoe CC on holo/scourge, SB, 4on 1 skill like bullcharge and so on.In which world a trait who make a clic activation does average 1k and proc slow is passive in the current environnement. Wake up !
That there are other classes with builds even lamer and easier to play than a CI chaosline Powermes is a different story.Nonono It's not a different story because we face everyday this kind of pegi 4 class. And you can't remove one class a tool then maintain this on other.

I'm really angry when I read post like this who try to legitimate "subjective" point of view by saying it's facts.I will stay polite but I mainly disagree about what you say and your view of what is "skilling" or not.BTW lockdown builds are far to be rewarding considering the difficulty to calculate CC in a meta where many spec have cele or instnant skills. (And average cast time on important skill seems to be 0.25 sec...)Actually locks aren't efficient at all. (just 100% stunt on f3 is.)

Lets agree to disagree then, i argued pretty clear why powerblock is way more skilled than Lost Time and CI. You have more than enough time to interrupt all classes inbetween their cycle of stabi and aegis and ty to the amount of cc you have, you don't need to care for 1 or 2 stacks of stabi, you can remove the stabi stack with a cc chain if needed. Overall the stabi uptime is not too high to make an interrupt build unviable. And i am not crying about Mantra of Distraction being instant and ranged like a lot of clueless mesmer or mantra-hater would do. That Mantra of Distraction works like it does atm is pretty much needed for an interrupt build to make any sense. It is a skillful, reactive, interactive interrupt utility skill, as long as it is not compined with op effects from op traits. Powerblock is not op. I just say CI and Lost Time are overperforming and lower the skill ceiling and floor on mesmer remarkable, in particular compared to powerblock. I was talking to ppl crying about powerblock, telling them that this complain is stupid. So i am even more on your side than most ppl (most not mesmer mains) in this thread.

Also all big skills have enough casttime to interrupt them on purpose with Mantra of Distraction, there is no need for op traits like CI and Lost Time. Maybe you are too slow in your reaction time then? I don't know. Ofc meta builds need to get nerfed too in the same moment, not denying that. But just because other builds are op doesn't justify op stuff on mesmer. You clearly can play without being carried by Lost Time or CI when you are good enough. I agree that it is clearly hard to do and you need to be rly good compared to meta builds. But if you want an easy life mesmer shouldn't be your class choice at all. A class that has so much active outplay potential when played well should have a high skill floor and ceilling and no access of forgiving mistake passive sustain or a lot of access to easy applied dmg/ strong effects like immob to not be broken as hell.

You argue just that powerblock is a skill who do useless damage and can sometimes be good when you rupt key skill (basically heal.).A near useless skill is different than a skilleed skill (moreover with somes ICD bugs.).

You have more than enough time to interrupt all classes inbetween their cycle of stabi and aegisNo, apart necro who is eat alive versus lock : thief keyskill can't be rupted, FB keyskill like signet will always be under stab, Holo auto pop stab regulary, rev have easy breakstunt in their rotation when rupted during no evade phases, war can't be immob can FC, SlB will ever be under stab during hist keybusrt etc.ty to the amount of cc you have2 charges of mantra, 1 random torch fantasm, 1 random staff, F3. Each with a max duration of 1 sec. There is plethora of class in this meta who have hard CC with a hiher duration while not even specing into lock.Well this
ampunt of CC
basically mean that you can't get over more than 3 stacks of stab. If you are lucky and your clones didn't die instatly with a GS burst build you can hope to remove a usefull boon on shatter but it's clearly random.Overall the stabi uptime is not too high to make an interrupt build unviable.Yeah that's why we see lock mesmers all days... In EU we were two to play lock last season in leaderboard and the second isn't even in top 100.The problem isn't only the stabi uptime it's that there is way too much skill have no to low little cast and :Maybe you are too slow in your reaction time then?I clearly haven't mAt players reaction but objectively, consciently rupt a 0.25 cast skill with average ping is ahead most human reaction time.(Other problem is the visual effects (damage, pyrotechnic explosion who hide key skill cast...).)I just say CI and Lost Time are overperforming and lower the skill ceiling and floor on mesmer remarkable, in particular compared to powerblock.You compare a trait who rarely proc and even when it proc I find the reward low versus a trait (Lost time.) who take part in preparation to next rupt.Dunno why you take CI and Lost time in the same board as CI as the same function as Power Block.. You clearly can play without being carried by Lost Time or CI when you are good enough.Yeah, that's a no lockbuild, and that's how the least top mesmers plays... Because it is more usefull to no play full lock.I totally haven't any consideration about other cryers who want nerf because their pegi4 class get destroyed by a mesmer.But lock playskills are far to be on the carrying skills actually.

As said, lets agree to disagree. Powerblock is not useless, it is just not op and needs skill to be rewarding. That skills like that are considered useless in GW2 just shows how stupidly braindead and broken the meta is in this game. Maybe check Youtube for some high ranked Power Mesmer footage with only Powerblock interrupt gameplay. You will find some. There even was a thread about a video in the pvp forum not long ago. You will find baits to make targets pop their stabi, you will find outplays around stabi uptime, you will find well timed on purpose interrupts on big skills. It is kinda proven that it is possible also on higher skill lvl. Yes that might be an exceptional skill lvl you cannot expect from every random player but as said for these ppl there are 8 other classes to enjoy. I am not good enough to play a power shatter on high skill lvl myself, but i can accept it. I am multiclass player and i play mesmer as long as there are builds available easy enough to carry me. But tbf those builds shouldn't exist for a class with such high active outplay potential. Because in decent and above hands it will always be broken. You just see how much hate it creates when mesmer is balanced around average player like you and me (average in a game with in general very very low average skill lvl).

Ok then we remain disagree, I maintain that there is not rewards for playing lock build, particulary with power block. And videos we found on youtube on the subject aren't versus EU top 100 players but versus random plug.

The video posted not long ago in this forum had more than enough EU legend players involved to give only one example. The mesmer is as far as i saw placed around plat 3/ legend itself. But whatever, believe what you want , if you feel better doing so.

link please

Must be hard to skip to pace 2 or 3 to find it after i said it was posted not long ago. But let me will search it for you.

Thanks because if you are talking about Jazz vid, I love the guy and his montage but it remain a montage, not the reality, neither a stream.

Yes that was the guy. It is on page 2 now. It doesn't matter if it is a montage or not. You can read the gameplay and his rank is plat3/ legend. Means everything you ask for.

Of course it matter, a montage is done do highligh beautifil actions, that's it, you never see the majority of time were it never work.For example in real life, pretty combo with sword 3, success only 10% in reality because in 90%, the clone will be instant killed.

What i mean is that if you are able to read the game you can clearly see that this build is working even vs top player when played very well. You also are able to see how skilled someone is and because the videos are cuts from very few matches mostly you also see that it is not cherry picked like crazy. When you read the gameplay you can see the skill lvl, at least when it is not cherry picked like one good action in a month or something what clearly isn't the case here. His videos usually show bait moves, unique move etc. all very high skilled would not happen for an average player once a year. And the mes is in the rank/ division you asked for.Nop, waht I see is that most pretty actions aren't done vs top players, and that macths vs good players have more cutting than other. Now I don't want to go on a detailled analysis of the vid because ofc he play well but discuss with him, I 'm sure he can explain how it work on the backsize.Ofc he is good, ofc he did actions I never did even while playing mes since 2012 but finally as beautiful as an action can be that's not with this you win game. Prove is that he play better than me and I have better rating which mean it's fun but unefficient.But tbh i rly get tired of this discussion, for me it feels like you can't be conviced and contradict every argument no matter what^^ I am sure for you this build will not work (we can agree on that at least), neither for me and most other player in this game, but when you are good enough you can make it work in plat 3/ leg because that at least is proven by his videos.Actually last season I ending 33th by playing 75% GS lock burst, 25% condilock burst. So I didn't know if it didn't work for me or not but I'm really frustrated when I face opponent who eat every single lock and kill me in 2 click... Hard for me to find the reward.Btw how often your sword 3 clone dies before you can port depends a lot with how you use it and i already agree that with average skill lvl this build will not work in higher ranked pvp.Even with high lvl skill it will not work in high lvl.

I dunno at what rating/ lb place he goes up at maximum , means i don't know if you have a higher rank in general and over a longer time period but if yes the reasons are obvious, you play builds carry you, just like i do and he doesn't. Also the correlation between lb and skill lvl isn't nearly as high as it should be. A lot of high skilled actions were also vs higher ranked ppl, the stabi bait on coocky is one example i remember without rewatching. He is playing this build successfully in high ranks, that is a fact you just can't talk away dude rofl. But yeah lets just agree to not agree and end this pain of a discussion. Have a nice day :).you play builds carry youOooooooooook, then you are the kind of people who think that best players are people who play the game with their feet instead of their hands because it's skilled...(Ofc it's skilled but you know for me this kind of reasonment is like : you want to win a car tournament versus Formula One with a cart. We are not talking about skill here but about efficiency, a cart will never win this.)I'm the kind of people who think that to be good the first thing is to theorycraft the more efficient build.So yeah I'm a noob, have a nice day too.

zoopop.5630 · June 15, 2019

@otto.5684 said:
@praqtos.9035 said:
@Zexanima.7851 said:
@shadowpass.4236 said:I just fought against a double mantra mesmer, double rev duo.
There are:
No animations to dodge
17 different targets on my screen
They can be at 3 points simultaneously
If I stop dodging I get one-shot
I'm perma revealed and all of their attacks are unblockable
Stability gets instantly stripped and if you don't die you can't cast any skills because of the cc chains and constant interrupts
You can't run away from them
No-port spots are useless
Mantras should not exist and both builds/classes both need huge damage nerfs and reworks. Matches like these are actually unplayable. There are no ways to fight against builds/comps like these and they do not require any skill to play. Unlike sic em longbow soulbeasts, there are no tells for the damage and you can't defend yourself with line of sight and terrain.
QQ T-T L2P

I'm glad I'm not the only one. I fought a team with double mantra mesmer yesterday and absolutely could not participate in the fight. In the very literal sense. I could not use my skills, I was constantly dazed/stunned. There was no tell, not only is it instant this is compounded by initiating from stealth. If I stopped evading, dead, instantly. Not in a second, not in a half second, instantly or at least in about 250ms which might as well be instantly.

I get the nerf threads on Soulbeast and Holosmith but why has no one made a thread on this until now? I feel like it's pretty broken. I wont even address Revenant, there are already threads on that mess.Defending sic em oneshot but getting farmed by power mesmer. Learn to dodge/block/invul/los now baby@shadowpass.4236I dont even know, 2 rev/2 power mesmers comps must be banned? Is that what your post about?

I am not sure 2 Mesmer and 2 rev even manage to win (assuming equal skill). If the opponent team has and FB, scourge, SB and whatever, the 2 Mesmer and 2 rev team will be obliterated.

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@Zexanima.7851 said:
@shadowpass.4236 said:I just fought against a double mantra mesmer, double rev duo.
There are:
No animations to dodge
17 different targets on my screen
They can be at 3 points simultaneously
If I stop dodging I get one-shot
I'm perma revealed and all of their attacks are unblockable
Stability gets instantly stripped and if you don't die you can't cast any skills because of the cc chains and constant interrupts
You can't run away from them
No-port spots are useless
Mantras should not exist and both builds/classes both need huge damage nerfs and reworks. Matches like these are actually unplayable. There are no ways to fight against builds/comps like these and they do not require any skill to play. Unlike sic em longbow soulbeasts, there are no tells for the damage and you can't defend yourself with line of sight and terrain.
QQ T-T L2P

I'm glad I'm not the only one. I fought a team with double mantra mesmer yesterday and absolutely could not participate in the fight. In the very literal sense. I could not use my skills, I was constantly dazed/stunned. There was no tell, not only is it instant this is compounded by initiating from stealth. If I stopped evading, dead, instantly. Not in a second, not in a half second, instantly or at least in about 250ms which might as well be instantly.

I get the nerf threads on Soulbeast and Holosmith but why has no one made a thread on this until now? I feel like it's pretty broken. I wont even address Revenant, there are already threads on that mess.Defending sic em oneshot but getting farmed by power mesmer. Learn to dodge/block/invul/los now baby@shadowpass.4236I dont even know, 2 rev/2 power mesmers comps must be banned? Is that what your post about?

I am not sure 2 Mesmer and 2 rev even manage to win (assuming equal skill). If the opponent team has and FB, scourge, SB and whatever, the 2 Mesmer and 2 rev team will be obliterated.

If enemy team runs a necro against double mantra Mesmer and double rev in a random Rank game they are 100% throwing. That's free food for the mantra mesmers.

Revolution.5409 · June 16, 2019

Surely something needs to be revised for this build too.

mortrialus.3062 · June 16, 2019

@zoopop.5630 said:
@otto.5684 said:
@praqtos.9035 said:
@Zexanima.7851 said:
@shadowpass.4236 said:I just fought against a double mantra mesmer, double rev duo.
There are:
No animations to dodge
17 different targets on my screen
They can be at 3 points simultaneously
If I stop dodging I get one-shot
I'm perma revealed and all of their attacks are unblockable
Stability gets instantly stripped and if you don't die you can't cast any skills because of the cc chains and constant interrupts
You can't run away from them
No-port spots are useless
Mantras should not exist and both builds/classes both need huge damage nerfs and reworks. Matches like these are actually unplayable. There are no ways to fight against builds/comps like these and they do not require any skill to play. Unlike sic em longbow soulbeasts, there are no tells for the damage and you can't defend yourself with line of sight and terrain.
QQ T-T L2P

I'm glad I'm not the only one. I fought a team with double mantra mesmer yesterday and absolutely could not participate in the fight. In the very literal sense. I could not use my skills, I was constantly dazed/stunned. There was no tell, not only is it instant this is compounded by initiating from stealth. If I stopped evading, dead, instantly. Not in a second, not in a half second, instantly or at least in about 250ms which might as well be instantly.

I get the nerf threads on Soulbeast and Holosmith but why has no one made a thread on this until now? I feel like it's pretty broken. I wont even address Revenant, there are already threads on that mess.Defending sic em oneshot but getting farmed by power mesmer. Learn to dodge/block/invul/los now baby@shadowpass.4236I dont even know, 2 rev/2 power mesmers comps must be banned? Is that what your post about?

I am not sure 2 Mesmer and 2 rev even manage to win (assuming equal skill). If the opponent team has and FB, scourge, SB and whatever, the 2 Mesmer and 2 rev team will be obliterated.

@otto.5684 said:

@praqtos.9035 said:
@Zexanima.7851 said:
@shadowpass.4236 said:I just fought against a double mantra mesmer, double rev duo.
There are:
No animations to dodge
17 different targets on my screen
They can be at 3 points simultaneously
If I stop dodging I get one-shot
I'm perma revealed and all of their attacks are unblockable
Stability gets instantly stripped and if you don't die you can't cast any skills because of the cc chains and constant interrupts
You can't run away from them
No-port spots are useless
Mantras should not exist and both builds/classes both need huge damage nerfs and reworks. Matches like these are actually unplayable. There are no ways to fight against builds/comps like these and they do not require any skill to play. Unlike sic em longbow soulbeasts, there are no tells for the damage and you can't defend yourself with line of sight and terrain.
QQ T-T L2P

I'm glad I'm not the only one. I fought a team with double mantra mesmer yesterday and absolutely could not participate in the fight. In the very literal sense. I could not use my skills, I was constantly dazed/stunned. There was no tell, not only is it instant this is compounded by initiating from stealth. If I stopped evading, dead, instantly. Not in a second, not in a half second, instantly or at least in about 250ms which might as well be instantly.

I get the nerf threads on Soulbeast and Holosmith but why has no one made a thread on this until now? I feel like it's pretty broken. I wont even address Revenant, there are already threads on that mess.Defending sic em oneshot but getting farmed by power mesmer. Learn to dodge/block/invul/los now baby@shadowpass.4236I dont even know, 2 rev/2 power mesmers comps must be banned? Is that what your post about?

I am not sure 2 Mesmer and 2 rev even manage to win (assuming equal skill). If the opponent team has and FB, scourge, SB and whatever, the 2 Mesmer and 2 rev team will be obliterated.

If enemy team runs a necro against double mantra Mesmer and double rev in a random Rank game they are 100% throwing. That's free food for the mantra mesmers.

Necros without firebrand are free food for everyone.

Nerf Mantra Mesmers and Revenants

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