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Even without bots/manipulators, ranked PVP is fundamentally broken

Firebeard.1746Firebeard.1746 Member ✭✭
edited June 12, 2019 in PVP

I have zero reason to perform well on my placement matches. My placement rank when higher, just means a higher loss rate at the end, and I should be optimizing win rate if I want the season chests (because the biggest pip rewards are for wins). Basically you're punished for trying. The harder you try, the worse your win rate because then you'll be matched against people that are better. Also, rank decay isn't that terribad from losses, so it takes forever to lose rank if you're overplaced (as I was last season). A smart person would rather have a higher win rate off the bat (by placing lower on purpose) and then eventually settle on a 50% win rate as opposed to trying harder, losing more than 50% of the time and then finally tanking to a 50% win rate, because getting your rewards is fewer matches played total.

The fix for this is easy. Give a base number of pips per match (like 5) + pips for your rank (1 pip per sub tier after the lowest bronze, so bronze players would get 7 pips per match if they're just shy of silver, the lowest tier doesn't reward any additional pips). The only additional pip that is worth keeping outside of match rewards is the reward for a close match (and it should be upped so people have an incentive to play a long game, 1 pip doesn't feel worth it when you could theoretically wipe and have a chance at another full 10 right now on the next match when you think you're going to lose or in my proposed system a full pip amount). That way you're not being punished for playing your best and rank ACTUALLY MEANS something. Because right now, unless you want to stroke your kitten with your leaderboard rank, your rank is more of a liability than it is an asset

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  • Vieux P.1238Vieux P.1238 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @SPESHAL.9106 said:
    It's broke because they allow premade duo to play against solo que'rs. There is no way for an algorithm to address premades that may or may not have real time communication/synergistic builds/experience playing together/etc. As a result, you see lopsided wins/losses at the top instead of more fair and balanced records like we did when they banned premades at top ratings.

    When you combine the above with win trading, then you get a totally corrupted leaderboard and little incentive for people to take the PvP side of the game seriously.

    But there was so many multiples poll's posted this year only on how good 5 man team Q would fix Rank . So i don't see how it's possible duo Q's would break it. You must be wrong & everybody else who voted for 5 men Q's right.

  • Stand The Wall.6987Stand The Wall.6987 Member ✭✭✭✭

    ofc ppl voted for duo's... so they can game the system. not all of them, sure.

    the vote is flawed from the get go, if the voters are dumb.

    you don't know till you know, ya know.

  • JTGuevara.9018JTGuevara.9018 Member ✭✭✭
    edited June 13, 2019

    People want a fix for ranked? Here it is! Allow TEAMS. Also have a separate ranked queue for solo. I know it's not the solution people want to hear, but I don't care. The powercreep alone from one-shot elite specs is terrible enough, but putting teams back to ranked is easily doable. lmao! I mean it's plainly ridiculous at this point to not have it. This solo/duo nonsense needs to end. You CANNOT have duos/trios or any other nonsense, it messes up the matches.
    I have said this for years, even back during the first and beginning seasons. Merged queues of any kind with solo/5-man or solo/duo messes up matches. This happens time and _time _ again. Why don't people learn?

  • @Firebeard.1746 said:
    I have zero reason to perform well on my placement matches. My placement rank when higher, just means a higher loss rate at the end, and I should be optimizing win rate if I want the season chests (because the biggest pip rewards are for wins). Basically you're punished for trying. The harder you try, the worse your win rate because then you'll be matched against people that are better. Also, rank decay isn't that terribad from losses, so it takes forever to lose rank if you're overplaced (as I was last season). A smart person would rather have a higher win rate off the bat (by placing lower on purpose) and then eventually settle on a 50% win rate as opposed to trying harder, losing more than 50% of the time and then finally tanking to a 50% win rate, because getting your rewards is fewer matches played total.

    The fix for this is easy. Give a base number of pips per match (like 5) + pips for your rank (1 pip per sub tier after the lowest bronze, so bronze players would get 7 pips per match if they're just shy of silver, the lowest tier doesn't reward any additional pips). The only additional pip that is worth keeping outside of match rewards is the reward for a close match (and it should be upped so people have an incentive to play a long game, 1 pip doesn't feel worth it when you could theoretically wipe and have a chance at another full 10 right now on the next match when you think you're going to lose or in my proposed system a full pip amount). That way you're not being punished for playing your best and rank ACTUALLY MEANS something. Because right now, unless you want to stroke your kitten with your leaderboard rank, your rank is more of a liability than it is an asset

    Having high lose rate from a high placement isn't broken it is in the intend of the system but there are different things which are broken
    The reason is all pvp ranking systems I know push you in the direction of 50:50 lose-win because the system will always push you to your personal limit. Having high pvp rank is more a thing of honour and showing how good you are as a player and a personal achievement.

    One thing which is on my opinion is broken is pvp at the weekend/holiday because a lot of people who only play once a week suddenly start to play pvp which means no ranking and the systems drops them somewhere even in gold rang and above and even if they have a ranking they are often so rusty then their ranks makes no sense.

    One the other hand we have players which are the absolute opposite of 'I just want to play' they play until they have the rank they desire and then stop playing completely for the rest of the season .

    Losing rank points when not playing would be an idea to fix this something like 100 points per day without ranked match. I don't know exactly how the placements matches works but my impression is the system pitch you with each game against higher enemies until you lose and then try a tier lower again. In theory it could also be made so that you lose some placements progress in terms of tier/rang when you don't play a ranked pvp game on a daily base.

    This also could be tested as event with 100%-150% more pvp reward track progress.

  • lare.5129lare.5129 Member ✭✭✭

    @JTGuevara.9018 said:
    People want a fix for ranked? Here it is! Allow TEAMS.

    the team a ALLOWED. Welcome to gw2 world and tournaments.

  • Crab Fear.1624Crab Fear.1624 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Vieux P.1238 said:

    @SPESHAL.9106 said:
    It's broke because they allow premade duo to play against solo que'rs. There is no way for an algorithm to address premades that may or may not have real time communication/synergistic builds/experience playing together/etc. As a result, you see lopsided wins/losses at the top instead of more fair and balanced records like we did when they banned premades at top ratings.

    When you combine the above with win trading, then you get a totally corrupted leaderboard and little incentive for people to take the PvP side of the game seriously.

    But there was so many multiples poll's posted this year only on how good 5 man team Q would fix Rank . So i don't see how it's possible duo Q's would break it. You must be wrong & everybody else who voted for 5 men Q's right.

    We want a seperate q. Team q wants to play against teams only. Not against pugs.

    Soon™ ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

  • Ziggityzog.7389Ziggityzog.7389 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited June 13, 2019

    @bluri.2653 said:

    @Ziggityzog.7389 said:

    @bluri.2653 said:

    @JTGuevara.9018 said:
    People want a fix for ranked? Here it is! Allow TEAMS. Also have a separate ranked queue for solo. I know it's not the solution people want to hear, but I don't care. The powercreep alone from one-shot elite specs is terrible enough, but putting teams back to ranked is easily doable. lmao! I mean it's plainly ridiculous at this point to not have it. This solo/duo nonsense needs to end. You CANNOT have duos/trios or any other nonsense, it messes up the matches.
    I have said this for years, even back during the first and beginning seasons. Merged queues of any kind with solo/5-man or solo/duo messes up matches. This happens time and _time _ again. Why don't people learn?

    Yes that sounds AMAZING to split the queue into THREE different queues! Ranked, Unranked and TEAM Q! Should we also apply matchmaking into it? Then 5v5 teams will wait months before q pop :) Sounds like an amazing plan.

    L O L

    Hahaha ahh the good old wintraders love them some duo que. Gotta go back to a team que or split solo que and team que with separate leaderboard. Otherwise we dont have actual top players just trolls.

    We had teamq back when pips existed with old system, it made us 100% winratio. Or going further back in vanilla gw2 when TCG pretty much won or sat in queue forever to either play the same team over and over, sounds like a terrific system.

    News flash, it wouldn't be any different. We would end up playing the same team over and over if they ever decided to queue up as 5 man. Look at how AT's are or Monthlies, we get 1 decent game per month imagine that in teamq it would end up 500-0 every single game lmao

    Not that i expect you to understand since you are gold at best so you'd probably end up having decent games - but the top end would play either the same team or none at all.

    Personally i dont care if its duo/soloq, but making soloq/duoq into teamq would kill the scene 100% we barely get 20 teams in monthlies with massive rewards, let alone normal at's where you get 15 teams at best you think that's enough to fuel ranked? absolutely no way.

    Besides anet isn't gonna cater to any of you two since we have AT's and soon at's on demand (which basically will be "teamq") which means if you signup as 5 and theres enough teams it creates a tournament.

    TLDR: Focus on Automated tournaments, make it more frequently than it is today and add up "on demand" tournaments (signup as 5 people into a tournament Q and if enough teams it creates a tournament) thats what we need, then keep ranked queue SOLO only, add some 2v2 Automated tournaments on a schedule as well to lure more people into sPvP and have it TDM as the 2v2 Special tournament was. That's what I would suggest for anet to do

    News flash it was great back with team que. Even tho I soloed most of seasons 1-4 it wasn't the crudfest it is now. The games were so much better when every game didnt have a "afk" or game kitten. If you had a 5 man then there was no way you could get cheated out like how you can currently.

    I dont expect someone who uses the fastest toon and gets carried by one skill with a bow to understand. I mean you would be bronze if it weren't for buddies or wintrading. Just saying.

    Yes because pvp should be about rewards.. maybe you weren't here in the days of glory vendors.

    I wish we could go back to the glory vendors so we can get rid of all the pve player trash playing pvp for rewards. That would fix alot of issues first off.

    The "leaderboard" should represent the game and top players but since season 6/7 it just represents those who have a alt account and are willing to toss games just for a good w/l ratio. If the leaderboard is a joke then it defeats the purpose of having one.

  • Meteor.3720Meteor.3720 Member ✭✭✭
    edited June 13, 2019

    @Ziggityzog.7389 said:

    @bluri.2653 said:

    @Ziggityzog.7389 said:

    @bluri.2653 said:

    @JTGuevara.9018 said:
    People want a fix for ranked? Here it is! Allow TEAMS. Also have a separate ranked queue for solo. I know it's not the solution people want to hear, but I don't care. The powercreep alone from one-shot elite specs is terrible enough, but putting teams back to ranked is easily doable. lmao! I mean it's plainly ridiculous at this point to not have it. This solo/duo nonsense needs to end. You CANNOT have duos/trios or any other nonsense, it messes up the matches.
    I have said this for years, even back during the first and beginning seasons. Merged queues of any kind with solo/5-man or solo/duo messes up matches. This happens time and _time _ again. Why don't people learn?

    Yes that sounds AMAZING to split the queue into THREE different queues! Ranked, Unranked and TEAM Q! Should we also apply matchmaking into it? Then 5v5 teams will wait months before q pop :) Sounds like an amazing plan.

    L O L

    Hahaha ahh the good old wintraders love them some duo que. Gotta go back to a team que or split solo que and team que with separate leaderboard. Otherwise we dont have actual top players just trolls.

    We had teamq back when pips existed with old system, it made us 100% winratio. Or going further back in vanilla gw2 when TCG pretty much won or sat in queue forever to either play the same team over and over, sounds like a terrific system.

    News flash, it wouldn't be any different. We would end up playing the same team over and over if they ever decided to queue up as 5 man. Look at how AT's are or Monthlies, we get 1 decent game per month imagine that in teamq it would end up 500-0 every single game lmao

    Not that i expect you to understand since you are gold at best so you'd probably end up having decent games - but the top end would play either the same team or none at all.

    Personally i dont care if its duo/soloq, but making soloq/duoq into teamq would kill the scene 100% we barely get 20 teams in monthlies with massive rewards, let alone normal at's where you get 15 teams at best you think that's enough to fuel ranked? absolutely no way.

    Besides anet isn't gonna cater to any of you two since we have AT's and soon at's on demand (which basically will be "teamq") which means if you signup as 5 and theres enough teams it creates a tournament.

    TLDR: Focus on Automated tournaments, make it more frequently than it is today and add up "on demand" tournaments (signup as 5 people into a tournament Q and if enough teams it creates a tournament) thats what we need, then keep ranked queue SOLO only, add some 2v2 Automated tournaments on a schedule as well to lure more people into sPvP and have it TDM as the 2v2 Special tournament was. That's what I would suggest for anet to do

    I dont expect someone who uses the fastest toon and gets carried by one skill with a bow to understand. I mean you would be bronze if it weren't for buddies or wintrading. Just saying.

    Your ability to somehow turn every single forum topic into "Thief OP/ dancing in circlequest sucks/ stronghold is the only real PvP/ Sindrener sucks" is impressive.

    Depressing, saddening and indicative that you don't understand GW2 PvP ... but also impressive in its own way.

  • Ziggityzog.7389Ziggityzog.7389 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Meteor.3720 said:

    @Ziggityzog.7389 said:

    @bluri.2653 said:

    @Ziggityzog.7389 said:

    @bluri.2653 said:

    @JTGuevara.9018 said:
    People want a fix for ranked? Here it is! Allow TEAMS. Also have a separate ranked queue for solo. I know it's not the solution people want to hear, but I don't care. The powercreep alone from one-shot elite specs is terrible enough, but putting teams back to ranked is easily doable. lmao! I mean it's plainly ridiculous at this point to not have it. This solo/duo nonsense needs to end. You CANNOT have duos/trios or any other nonsense, it messes up the matches.
    I have said this for years, even back during the first and beginning seasons. Merged queues of any kind with solo/5-man or solo/duo messes up matches. This happens time and _time _ again. Why don't people learn?

    Yes that sounds AMAZING to split the queue into THREE different queues! Ranked, Unranked and TEAM Q! Should we also apply matchmaking into it? Then 5v5 teams will wait months before q pop :) Sounds like an amazing plan.

    L O L

    Hahaha ahh the good old wintraders love them some duo que. Gotta go back to a team que or split solo que and team que with separate leaderboard. Otherwise we dont have actual top players just trolls.

    We had teamq back when pips existed with old system, it made us 100% winratio. Or going further back in vanilla gw2 when TCG pretty much won or sat in queue forever to either play the same team over and over, sounds like a terrific system.

    News flash, it wouldn't be any different. We would end up playing the same team over and over if they ever decided to queue up as 5 man. Look at how AT's are or Monthlies, we get 1 decent game per month imagine that in teamq it would end up 500-0 every single game lmao

    Not that i expect you to understand since you are gold at best so you'd probably end up having decent games - but the top end would play either the same team or none at all.

    Personally i dont care if its duo/soloq, but making soloq/duoq into teamq would kill the scene 100% we barely get 20 teams in monthlies with massive rewards, let alone normal at's where you get 15 teams at best you think that's enough to fuel ranked? absolutely no way.

    Besides anet isn't gonna cater to any of you two since we have AT's and soon at's on demand (which basically will be "teamq") which means if you signup as 5 and theres enough teams it creates a tournament.

    TLDR: Focus on Automated tournaments, make it more frequently than it is today and add up "on demand" tournaments (signup as 5 people into a tournament Q and if enough teams it creates a tournament) thats what we need, then keep ranked queue SOLO only, add some 2v2 Automated tournaments on a schedule as well to lure more people into sPvP and have it TDM as the 2v2 Special tournament was. That's what I would suggest for anet to do

    I dont expect someone who uses the fastest toon and gets carried by one skill with a bow to understand. I mean you would be bronze if it weren't for buddies or wintrading. Just saying.

    Your ability to somehow turn every single forum topic into "Thief OP/ dancing in circlequest sucks/ stronghold is the only real PvP/ Sindrener sucks" is impressive.

    Depressing, saddening and indicative that you don't understand GW2 PvP ... but also impressive in it's own way.

    Got a stream sniffer chiming in. Or is it just a alt act being used? Lol. Truth hurts sometimes I'm sorry if it got to you.

  • Stand The Wall.6987Stand The Wall.6987 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @bluri.2653 said:
    snips

    wow negative Nancy over here. don't ruin our trip bro!

    you don't know till you know, ya know.

  • Crab Fear.1624Crab Fear.1624 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @bluri.2653 said:

    TLDR: Focus on Automated tournaments, make it more frequently than it is today and add up "on demand" tournaments (signup as 5 people into a tournament Q and if enough teams it creates a tournament) thats what we need, then keep ranked queue SOLO only, add some 2v2 Automated tournaments on a schedule as well to lure more people into sPvP and have it TDM as the 2v2 Special tournament was. That's what I would suggest for anet to do

    Yes, this is a good direction.

    I chose to snip this part instead of focusing on the "argument" because I think all sides should be able to agree on these points.

    Soon™ ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

  • bluri.2653bluri.2653 Member ✭✭✭
    edited June 13, 2019

    @Ziggityzog.7389 said:

    @bluri.2653 said:

    @Ziggityzog.7389 said:

    @bluri.2653 said:

    @JTGuevara.9018 said:
    People want a fix for ranked? Here it is! Allow TEAMS. Also have a separate ranked queue for solo. I know it's not the solution people want to hear, but I don't care. The powercreep alone from one-shot elite specs is terrible enough, but putting teams back to ranked is easily doable. lmao! I mean it's plainly ridiculous at this point to not have it. This solo/duo nonsense needs to end. You CANNOT have duos/trios or any other nonsense, it messes up the matches.
    I have said this for years, even back during the first and beginning seasons. Merged queues of any kind with solo/5-man or solo/duo messes up matches. This happens time and _time _ again. Why don't people learn?

    Yes that sounds AMAZING to split the queue into THREE different queues! Ranked, Unranked and TEAM Q! Should we also apply matchmaking into it? Then 5v5 teams will wait months before q pop :) Sounds like an amazing plan.

    L O L

    Hahaha ahh the good old wintraders love them some duo que. Gotta go back to a team que or split solo que and team que with separate leaderboard. Otherwise we dont have actual top players just trolls.

    We had teamq back when pips existed with old system, it made us 100% winratio. Or going further back in vanilla gw2 when TCG pretty much won or sat in queue forever to either play the same team over and over, sounds like a terrific system.

    News flash, it wouldn't be any different. We would end up playing the same team over and over if they ever decided to queue up as 5 man. Look at how AT's are or Monthlies, we get 1 decent game per month imagine that in teamq it would end up 500-0 every single game lmao

    Not that i expect you to understand since you are gold at best so you'd probably end up having decent games - but the top end would play either the same team or none at all.

    Personally i dont care if its duo/soloq, but making soloq/duoq into teamq would kill the scene 100% we barely get 20 teams in monthlies with massive rewards, let alone normal at's where you get 15 teams at best you think that's enough to fuel ranked? absolutely no way.

    Besides anet isn't gonna cater to any of you two since we have AT's and soon at's on demand (which basically will be "teamq") which means if you signup as 5 and theres enough teams it creates a tournament.

    TLDR: Focus on Automated tournaments, make it more frequently than it is today and add up "on demand" tournaments (signup as 5 people into a tournament Q and if enough teams it creates a tournament) thats what we need, then keep ranked queue SOLO only, add some 2v2 Automated tournaments on a schedule as well to lure more people into sPvP and have it TDM as the 2v2 Special tournament was. That's what I would suggest for anet to do

    News flash it was great back with team que. Even tho I soloed most of seasons 1-4 it wasn't the crudfest it is now. The games were so much better when every game didnt have a "afk" or game kitten. If you had a 5 man then there was no way you could get cheated out like how you can currently.

    I dont expect someone who uses the fastest toon and gets carried by one skill with a bow to understand. I mean you would be bronze if it weren't for buddies or wintrading. Just saying.

    Yes because pvp should be about rewards.. maybe you weren't here in the days of glory vendors.

    I wish we could go back to the glory vendors so we can get rid of all the pve player trash playing pvp for rewards. That would fix alot of issues first off.

    The "leaderboard" should represent the game and top players but since season 6/7 it just represents those who have a alt account and are willing to toss games just for a good w/l ratio. If the leaderboard is a joke then it defeats the purpose of having one.

    What truth? I will duel your nec bo5 no circle involved

    Im also 100% certain these ”pve” players you say are better than you.

    www.twitch.tv/sindrener - Rank 55 Dragons/Orange Logo/Team Aggression

  • my English is bad! Very sorry but
    I would like to mention why pvp is broken
    technical point of view some problems
    fps, desync ,input lag,connection lag spike
    because these affects your reaction time because the computer systems of the players in the world are different.You start with a disadvantage even if you are a very good player or in a group.
    Think about it once
    for example you don't have a technical problem.
    and your team is losing mostly or 1 player dominate the game even at 1 vs 3
    this nothing about solo or team ; one problem is unbalanced or wrong game mechanics.
    for example:
    deadeye spec have some 1500 range and 1200 range skill
    You cant use binding shadow within 1500 range
    you immobilized while kneeling and u cant use binding shadow if u want immobilize
    and for balancing what options we have spotter shot? So equip a utility skill just for running.
    its lazy way to balance mechanics isn't it?
    Another problem que with the same players or groups
    why we are losing pvp population? how can you play the game you die in one shot? Is this fun?would you accept such a challenge?
    a team mate or a (pug) team mate maybe come for help If I live 10 seconds longer
    I can accept a lose knowing that I have time to try
    why pvp broken isn't about single players or groups
    What's the solution
    delete ranked and and unranked game mode
    we different rank system like an achivment
    account rank (we have) and party rank if u are in party so game must pairing with proper team

  • Ziggityzog.7389Ziggityzog.7389 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited June 13, 2019

    @bluri.2653 said:

    @Ziggityzog.7389 said:

    @bluri.2653 said:

    @Ziggityzog.7389 said:

    @bluri.2653 said:

    @JTGuevara.9018 said:
    People want a fix for ranked? Here it is! Allow TEAMS. Also have a separate ranked queue for solo. I know it's not the solution people want to hear, but I don't care. The powercreep alone from one-shot elite specs is terrible enough, but putting teams back to ranked is easily doable. lmao! I mean it's plainly ridiculous at this point to not have it. This solo/duo nonsense needs to end. You CANNOT have duos/trios or any other nonsense, it messes up the matches.
    I have said this for years, even back during the first and beginning seasons. Merged queues of any kind with solo/5-man or solo/duo messes up matches. This happens time and _time _ again. Why don't people learn?

    Yes that sounds AMAZING to split the queue into THREE different queues! Ranked, Unranked and TEAM Q! Should we also apply matchmaking into it? Then 5v5 teams will wait months before q pop :) Sounds like an amazing plan.

    L O L

    Hahaha ahh the good old wintraders love them some duo que. Gotta go back to a team que or split solo que and team que with separate leaderboard. Otherwise we dont have actual top players just trolls.

    We had teamq back when pips existed with old system, it made us 100% winratio. Or going further back in vanilla gw2 when TCG pretty much won or sat in queue forever to either play the same team over and over, sounds like a terrific system.

    News flash, it wouldn't be any different. We would end up playing the same team over and over if they ever decided to queue up as 5 man. Look at how AT's are or Monthlies, we get 1 decent game per month imagine that in teamq it would end up 500-0 every single game lmao

    Not that i expect you to understand since you are gold at best so you'd probably end up having decent games - but the top end would play either the same team or none at all.

    Personally i dont care if its duo/soloq, but making soloq/duoq into teamq would kill the scene 100% we barely get 20 teams in monthlies with massive rewards, let alone normal at's where you get 15 teams at best you think that's enough to fuel ranked? absolutely no way.

    Besides anet isn't gonna cater to any of you two since we have AT's and soon at's on demand (which basically will be "teamq") which means if you signup as 5 and theres enough teams it creates a tournament.

    TLDR: Focus on Automated tournaments, make it more frequently than it is today and add up "on demand" tournaments (signup as 5 people into a tournament Q and if enough teams it creates a tournament) thats what we need, then keep ranked queue SOLO only, add some 2v2 Automated tournaments on a schedule as well to lure more people into sPvP and have it TDM as the 2v2 Special tournament was. That's what I would suggest for anet to do

    News flash it was great back with team que. Even tho I soloed most of seasons 1-4 it wasn't the crudfest it is now. The games were so much better when every game didnt have a "afk" or game kitten. If you had a 5 man then there was no way you could get cheated out like how you can currently.

    I dont expect someone who uses the fastest toon and gets carried by one skill with a bow to understand. I mean you would be bronze if it weren't for buddies or wintrading. Just saying.

    Yes because pvp should be about rewards.. maybe you weren't here in the days of glory vendors.

    I wish we could go back to the glory vendors so we can get rid of all the pve player trash playing pvp for rewards. That would fix alot of issues first off.

    The "leaderboard" should represent the game and top players but since season 6/7 it just represents those who have a alt account and are willing to toss games just for a good w/l ratio. If the leaderboard is a joke then it defeats the purpose of having one.

    What truth? I will duel your nec bo5 no circle involved

    Im also 100% certain these ”pve” players you say are better than you.

    🤣. I'm game I can get 2 minutes to wipe a teef away. It will pretty much be like all teef fights. Dmg run hide dmg run hide dmg run hide dmg run hide dmg run hide. Oh and spin 2 times. Did a miss the standard teef strat at all?

    I'm pretty certain that even a bot could beat you. If you have the standard copy paste run hide build.

  • Psycoprophet.8107Psycoprophet.8107 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited June 13, 2019

    We have a mach up, vid please :)

  • Faux Play.6104Faux Play.6104 Member ✭✭✭

    @bluri.2653 said:

    @Ziggityzog.7389 said:

    @bluri.2653 said:

    @JTGuevara.9018 said:
    People want a fix for ranked? Here it is! Allow TEAMS. Also have a separate ranked queue for solo. I know it's not the solution people want to hear, but I don't care. The powercreep alone from one-shot elite specs is terrible enough, but putting teams back to ranked is easily doable. lmao! I mean it's plainly ridiculous at this point to not have it. This solo/duo nonsense needs to end. You CANNOT have duos/trios or any other nonsense, it messes up the matches.
    I have said this for years, even back during the first and beginning seasons. Merged queues of any kind with solo/5-man or solo/duo messes up matches. This happens time and _time _ again. Why don't people learn?

    Yes that sounds AMAZING to split the queue into THREE different queues! Ranked, Unranked and TEAM Q! Should we also apply matchmaking into it? Then 5v5 teams will wait months before q pop :) Sounds like an amazing plan.

    L O L

    Hahaha ahh the good old wintraders love them some duo que. Gotta go back to a team que or split solo que and team que with separate leaderboard. Otherwise we dont have actual top players just trolls.

    We had teamq back when pips existed with old system, it made us 100% winratio. Or going further back in vanilla gw2 when TCG pretty much won or sat in queue forever to either play the same team over and over, sounds like a terrific system.

    News flash, it wouldn't be any different. We would end up playing the same team over and over if they ever decided to queue up as 5 man. Look at how AT's are or Monthlies, we get 1 decent game per month imagine that in teamq it would end up 500-0 every single game lmao

    Not that i expect you to understand since you are gold at best so you'd probably end up having decent games - but the top end would play either the same team or none at all.

    Personally i dont care if its duo/soloq, but making soloq/duoq into teamq would kill the scene 100% we barely get 20 teams in monthlies with massive rewards, let alone normal at's where you get 15 teams at best you think that's enough to fuel ranked? absolutely no way.

    Besides anet isn't gonna cater to any of you two since we have AT's and soon at's on demand (which basically will be "teamq") which means if you signup as 5 and theres enough teams it creates a tournament.

    TLDR: Focus on Automated tournaments, make it more frequently than it is today and add up "on demand" tournaments (signup as 5 people into a tournament Q and if enough teams it creates a tournament) thats what we need, then keep ranked queue SOLO only, add some 2v2 Automated tournaments on a schedule as well to lure more people into sPvP and have it TDM as the 2v2 Special tournament was. That's what I would suggest for anet to do

    On demand ATs plus a soloque is the best answer. I'd also allow AT results to factor into the rating system.

  • Faux Play.6104Faux Play.6104 Member ✭✭✭
    edited June 13, 2019

    @Ziggityzog.7389 said:

    @bluri.2653 said:

    @Ziggityzog.7389 said:

    @bluri.2653 said:

    @Ziggityzog.7389 said:

    @bluri.2653 said:

    @JTGuevara.9018 said:
    People want a fix for ranked? Here it is! Allow TEAMS. Also have a separate ranked queue for solo. I know it's not the solution people want to hear, but I don't care. The powercreep alone from one-shot elite specs is terrible enough, but putting teams back to ranked is easily doable. lmao! I mean it's plainly ridiculous at this point to not have it. This solo/duo nonsense needs to end. You CANNOT have duos/trios or any other nonsense, it messes up the matches.
    I have said this for years, even back during the first and beginning seasons. Merged queues of any kind with solo/5-man or solo/duo messes up matches. This happens time and _time _ again. Why don't people learn?

    Yes that sounds AMAZING to split the queue into THREE different queues! Ranked, Unranked and TEAM Q! Should we also apply matchmaking into it? Then 5v5 teams will wait months before q pop :) Sounds like an amazing plan.

    L O L

    Hahaha ahh the good old wintraders love them some duo que. Gotta go back to a team que or split solo que and team que with separate leaderboard. Otherwise we dont have actual top players just trolls.

    We had teamq back when pips existed with old system, it made us 100% winratio. Or going further back in vanilla gw2 when TCG pretty much won or sat in queue forever to either play the same team over and over, sounds like a terrific system.

    News flash, it wouldn't be any different. We would end up playing the same team over and over if they ever decided to queue up as 5 man. Look at how AT's are or Monthlies, we get 1 decent game per month imagine that in teamq it would end up 500-0 every single game lmao

    Not that i expect you to understand since you are gold at best so you'd probably end up having decent games - but the top end would play either the same team or none at all.

    Personally i dont care if its duo/soloq, but making soloq/duoq into teamq would kill the scene 100% we barely get 20 teams in monthlies with massive rewards, let alone normal at's where you get 15 teams at best you think that's enough to fuel ranked? absolutely no way.

    Besides anet isn't gonna cater to any of you two since we have AT's and soon at's on demand (which basically will be "teamq") which means if you signup as 5 and theres enough teams it creates a tournament.

    TLDR: Focus on Automated tournaments, make it more frequently than it is today and add up "on demand" tournaments (signup as 5 people into a tournament Q and if enough teams it creates a tournament) thats what we need, then keep ranked queue SOLO only, add some 2v2 Automated tournaments on a schedule as well to lure more people into sPvP and have it TDM as the 2v2 Special tournament was. That's what I would suggest for anet to do

    News flash it was great back with team que. Even tho I soloed most of seasons 1-4 it wasn't the crudfest it is now. The games were so much better when every game didnt have a "afk" or game kitten. If you had a 5 man then there was no way you could get cheated out like how you can currently.

    I dont expect someone who uses the fastest toon and gets carried by one skill with a bow to understand. I mean you would be bronze if it weren't for buddies or wintrading. Just saying.

    Yes because pvp should be about rewards.. maybe you weren't here in the days of glory vendors.

    I wish we could go back to the glory vendors so we can get rid of all the pve player trash playing pvp for rewards. That would fix alot of issues first off.

    The "leaderboard" should represent the game and top players but since season 6/7 it just represents those who have a alt account and are willing to toss games just for a good w/l ratio. If the leaderboard is a joke then it defeats the purpose of having one.

    What truth? I will duel your nec bo5 no circle involved

    Im also 100% certain these ”pve” players you say are better than you.

    🤣. I'm game I can get 2 minutes to wipe a teef away. It will pretty much be like all teef fights. Dmg run hide dmg run hide dmg run hide dmg run hide dmg run hide. Oh and spin 2 times. Did a miss the standard teef strat at all?

    I'm pretty certain that even a bot could beat you. If you have the standard copy paste run hide build.

    To make it interesting...Loser can't post in the forums for 8 months. :)

  • Stand The Wall.6987Stand The Wall.6987 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Ziggityzog.7389 said:
    I'm pretty certain that even a bot could beat you. If you have the standard copy paste run hide build.

    dood… lol...

    you don't know till you know, ya know.

  • Pretty much everyone has a ~50% winrate or close too, that's just how it is. Check the leaderboards from last season. Notice how the vast majority of players(Save for the top 3 sitting at their definitely legitimately earned 80-90%) are all sitting at 50-50, 60-40, or somewhere around there.

    You're totally right to say it's broken though. Going 50-50 doesn't exactly work when you're always losing more rating for a loss than you'd gain for a win. From factors that are more often than not; beyond your control or skill like wintrading, AFK peoples, Powerstacked DuoQs, etc. To call it functional would be a huge overstatement, because it really just boils down to RNG matchmaking.

    Like a lot of other competitive games, it could be designed in such a way that rewards win-streaks and punishes loss-streaks, and otherwise rewards points based on personal performance and contribution rather than purely on who the matchmaker decided to stick you with like it is now. That way you encourage people to play by rewarding success, and not scaring them into playing the bare minimum games possible so as to not roll the metaphorical dice.

    And just remove DuoQ of course! ASAP

    Remove Ranked DuoQ pls&ty

  • For everyone saying the algorithm optimizatizes 50%, that's not true. I was stuck around 40%, with 5 match lose streaks, it was awful. What i'm saying is the algorithm does a terrible job at 50% and to make it behave, i believe i'm going to have to lose on purpose during placement. I'm fairly certain that it uses elo more than other stats as i've been repeatedly matched against people who seemed to beat me over and over instead of you know, grouping me with them half the time to give me a fighting chance.

  • JTGuevara.9018JTGuevara.9018 Member ✭✭✭
    edited June 14, 2019

    @lare.5129 said:

    @JTGuevara.9018 said:
    People want a fix for ranked? Here it is! Allow TEAMS.

    the team a ALLOWED. Welcome to gw2 world and tournaments.

    You're joking right? Tournaments are currently time-gated. If it was on-demand tournaments all the time for only 5man, then yeah, now we're talking. Current ATs are not enough.

  • when they reintroduced duo's it kinda ruined pvp for me and i think it did more damage to pvp than good cause of wintrading. Duo's should have been its own ranked mode as a deathmatch.

  • bluri.2653bluri.2653 Member ✭✭✭

    @Faux Play.6104 said:

    @bluri.2653 said:

    @Ziggityzog.7389 said:

    @bluri.2653 said:

    @JTGuevara.9018 said:
    People want a fix for ranked? Here it is! Allow TEAMS. Also have a separate ranked queue for solo. I know it's not the solution people want to hear, but I don't care. The powercreep alone from one-shot elite specs is terrible enough, but putting teams back to ranked is easily doable. lmao! I mean it's plainly ridiculous at this point to not have it. This solo/duo nonsense needs to end. You CANNOT have duos/trios or any other nonsense, it messes up the matches.
    I have said this for years, even back during the first and beginning seasons. Merged queues of any kind with solo/5-man or solo/duo messes up matches. This happens time and _time _ again. Why don't people learn?

    Yes that sounds AMAZING to split the queue into THREE different queues! Ranked, Unranked and TEAM Q! Should we also apply matchmaking into it? Then 5v5 teams will wait months before q pop :) Sounds like an amazing plan.

    L O L

    Hahaha ahh the good old wintraders love them some duo que. Gotta go back to a team que or split solo que and team que with separate leaderboard. Otherwise we dont have actual top players just trolls.

    We had teamq back when pips existed with old system, it made us 100% winratio. Or going further back in vanilla gw2 when TCG pretty much won or sat in queue forever to either play the same team over and over, sounds like a terrific system.

    News flash, it wouldn't be any different. We would end up playing the same team over and over if they ever decided to queue up as 5 man. Look at how AT's are or Monthlies, we get 1 decent game per month imagine that in teamq it would end up 500-0 every single game lmao

    Not that i expect you to understand since you are gold at best so you'd probably end up having decent games - but the top end would play either the same team or none at all.

    Personally i dont care if its duo/soloq, but making soloq/duoq into teamq would kill the scene 100% we barely get 20 teams in monthlies with massive rewards, let alone normal at's where you get 15 teams at best you think that's enough to fuel ranked? absolutely no way.

    Besides anet isn't gonna cater to any of you two since we have AT's and soon at's on demand (which basically will be "teamq") which means if you signup as 5 and theres enough teams it creates a tournament.

    TLDR: Focus on Automated tournaments, make it more frequently than it is today and add up "on demand" tournaments (signup as 5 people into a tournament Q and if enough teams it creates a tournament) thats what we need, then keep ranked queue SOLO only, add some 2v2 Automated tournaments on a schedule as well to lure more people into sPvP and have it TDM as the 2v2 Special tournament was. That's what I would suggest for anet to do

    On demand ATs plus a soloque is the best answer. I'd also allow AT results to factor into the rating system.

    To me the best way forward is following:

    More frequent AT’s and on demand AT’s.
    Add 2v2 AT’s at least one time per day around prime time? This is obviously changeable too, more/other times.

    Get swiss out and bo3/5 for semi in monthly at, get anet to stream it on their channel.

    More special tournaments with casters on their official stream (to spike the viewership on twitch) may it be 2v2/5v5

    More pvp maps that arent horrendous on your fps :)

    Make ranked soloq only.

    www.twitch.tv/sindrener - Rank 55 Dragons/Orange Logo/Team Aggression

  • lare.5129lare.5129 Member ✭✭✭
    edited June 14, 2019

    @JTGuevara.9018 said:

    the team a ALLOWED. Welcome to gw2 world and tournaments.

    You're joking right? Tournaments are currently time-gated. If it was on-demand tournaments all the time for only 5man, then yeah, now we're talking. Current ATs are not enough.

    And this is ok that is time-gated. Great loot, - big preparation.
    Now I can join with someone on spvp, and this is I thi9nk max possible way. Thanks what we not have 5x, or we want total domination and non any chance to win ?

  • Zawn.9647Zawn.9647 Member ✭✭✭

    every single serious game has an option when you solo queue that is somewhat like "I want play only with solo players" - if you dont care playing against duo's you dont check this option. But no, it seems to hard for ANet to think of something so trivial like this :anguished:

  • lare.5129lare.5129 Member ✭✭✭

    @Zawn.9647 said:
    every single serious game has an

    may be we play gw2 because this is not "every", this is something another.

  • SPESHAL.9106SPESHAL.9106 Member ✭✭✭

    @Zawn.9647 said:
    every single serious game has an option when you solo queue that is somewhat like "I want play only with solo players" - if you dont care playing against duo's you dont check this option. But no, it seems to hard for ANet to think of something so trivial like this :anguished:

    What's funny is that how is was originally with GW2 (when much smarter and more accomplished PvP developers were working there). Like a lot of things...the overthought things and listened to whiners about que time. Instead of attracting more players with quality updates and balance, they basically threw in the towel and made a hybrid que which they've flip-flopped on that too. Right now, they've settle on the absolute worst compromise. Full teams can't que and solo players get mixed against teams where the algorithm can't possible know build synergy/experience/communication/etc. The leaderboard is absolute trash.

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