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Anput.4620Anput.4620 Member ✭✭✭✭
edited June 22, 2019 in WvW

I followed your advise, forum poeple, i adapted, i swapped to my ranger instead of my beloved warrior main and headed to objectives to find fights, because surely inherent balance can't be broken right? Poeple don't want to fight for "no reason" in the open but they REALLY CARE about objectives because they want their server to win and aren't just ktrainers! That's what ive heard here, so i went out with that mentality. Now look at the quality experience i have been having since!

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  • Loosmaster.8263Loosmaster.8263 Member ✭✭✭✭

    So you show someone bailing on a camp capture. Were the camps on the daily? Going to have to show more than one to show consistency...

    Playing the PvE scene because WvW is just "BAD"...

  • Anput.4620Anput.4620 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @aspirine.6852 said:
    Still, a solo scourge is like a sitting duck for a soulbeast :) Probably blew his whole skillbar just to kill the camp.

    I only AA camps for a reason.

  • Dawdler.8521Dawdler.8521 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited June 22, 2019

    I'm not sure soulbeast is helping people to be brave either.

    gaggle - /ˈɡaɡ(ə)l/ - noun
    A disorderly group of Asura.
    "The gaggle of Asura tried to agree on whether a phase-shifted thermonuclear energy matrix was sufficiently powerful for a device capable of heating bread"

  • Balthazzarr.1349Balthazzarr.1349 Member ✭✭✭✭

    ah that moment when you have someone down and just as you're about to finish the blow his buddies come (10 of them) and murder your precious soulbeast... and laugh... because well... they killed a soulbeast... I was happy for them though, it was a victory they could cheer around at the beer table.. ;)

    Just another WvW lifer who'll never say die... while dying again and again!

  • Anput.4620Anput.4620 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited June 22, 2019

    @Loosmaster.8263 said:

    @Anput.4620 said:

    @aspirine.6852 said:
    Still, a solo scourge is like a sitting duck for a soulbeast :) Probably blew his whole skillbar just to kill the camp.

    I only AA camps for a reason.

    I see you shooting Skill 2 and it's not on AA...Try roaming on a class that's not FotM.

    Where i attacking a camp then or a player? Maybe try reading next time. It isn't fotm and hasn't been buffed to be fotm either. Other builds are as good, please stop circlejerking over SB when Holo, Rev, Mirage, Berserker still exist. Also, can you tell all the scourges/fbs/scrappers/revs to stop playing fotm? Way more of those which are actually fotm.

    @Illconceived Was Na.9781 said:

    @Anput.4620 said:
    I followed your advise, forum poeple, i adapted, i swapped to my ranger instead of my beloved warrior main and headed to objectives to find fights, because surely inherent balance can't be broken right? Poeple don't want to fight for "no reason" in the open but they REALLY CARE about objectives because they want their server to win and aren't just ktrainers! That's what ive heard here, so i went out with that mentality. Now look at the quality experience i have been having since!

    I don't think anyone's advice included assuming that every objective would be strongly defending by any random you might encounter.

    Oh no but this isn't about no one being there, this is about someone being there and not caring about their oh-so precious camp i got told poeple care about.

  • DemonSeed.3528DemonSeed.3528 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Dawdler.8521 said:
    I'm not sure soulbeast is helping people to be brave either.

    They fear the almighty asura

  • Sovereign.1093Sovereign.1093 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited June 22, 2019

    you know, you dont r3ally need to listen to ppl. if your having fun, just enjoy it.

    Not Even Coverage is the Only broken thing in WVW.

  • @Justine.6351 said:
    If you want fights you need to first understand how roaming works.

    Indeed.


    @Anput.4620 said:

    @Illconceived Was Na.9781 said:

    @Anput.4620 said:
    I followed your advise, forum poeple, i adapted, i swapped to my ranger instead of my beloved warrior main and headed to objectives to find fights, because surely inherent balance can't be broken right? Poeple don't want to fight for "no reason" in the open but they REALLY CARE about objectives because they want their server to win and aren't just ktrainers! That's what ive heard here, so i went out with that mentality. Now look at the quality experience i have been having since!

    I don't think anyone's advice included assuming that every objective would be strongly defending by any random you might encounter.

    Oh no but this isn't about no one being there, this is about someone being there and not caring about their oh-so precious camp i got told poeple care about.

    "People caring" is not synonymous "absolutely anyone you encounter cares."
    Not every objective is going to be strongly defended by whoever happens to be there when you happen to show up. If capping caps is the daily, a ton of people will be there to go from 0/2→2/2 and scram; any attacker strong than a butterfly is going to scare them off.

    There are people who: fight for no reason, only fight for a reason, only fight when they think they have a 3:1 advantage, only fight if they think they are 1:3, and so on.

    So again, I doubt very much if anyone's advice was anything close to, "swapping to ranger will magically transform all WvW encounters."

    Hype is the path to the dark side. Hype leads to unfulfilled expectations. Disappointment leads to anger. Anger leads to disgust. Disgust leads to "oh, new shinies! I'm back!"

  • GaijinGuy.8476GaijinGuy.8476 Member ✭✭✭

    @Anput.4620 said:
    Their purpose in the mode can''t be proven nor matters as it doesn't change the fact they are participating in the mode.

    This is the best comment so far in this thread.

  • Anput.4620Anput.4620 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited June 22, 2019

    @Jayden Reese.9542 said:
    If you don't know by now anput puts more time into whiney mount and I can't find a fite threads then actually plays. There is no reasoning with him ever and he will whine until mounts are deleted. But yeah only a pve noob leaves a 1 vs 1 encounter and i've seen plenty wp from me but not after killing the camp. I mean at least try to fite.

    I can't help that the optimal way to have fun is to play other games right now given current balance.

    @Justine.6351 said:
    This is an enemy faction on the map, not on their home server. You go to an enemy map and start targeting their northern camps and they will swarm you like hornets if you do it enough.

    If you want fights you need to first understand how roaming works.

    That makes no sense, either camp gives points, this is defending vs attacking simple as that, i am not talking oh hey lets get some free bags because they are in our backyard but defending in general gameplay, i always defend camps 1 on 1 or 2 on 1.

    @Illconceived Was Na.9781 said:

    @Justine.6351 said:
    If you want fights you need to first understand how roaming works.

    Indeed.


    @Anput.4620 said:

    @Illconceived Was Na.9781 said:

    @Anput.4620 said:
    I followed your advise, forum poeple, i adapted, i swapped to my ranger instead of my beloved warrior main and headed to objectives to find fights, because surely inherent balance can't be broken right? Poeple don't want to fight for "no reason" in the open but they REALLY CARE about objectives because they want their server to win and aren't just ktrainers! That's what ive heard here, so i went out with that mentality. Now look at the quality experience i have been having since!

    I don't think anyone's advice included assuming that every objective would be strongly defending by any random you might encounter.

    Oh no but this isn't about no one being there, this is about someone being there and not caring about their oh-so precious camp i got told poeple care about.

    "People caring" is not synonymous "absolutely anyone you encounter cares."
    Not every objective is going to be strongly defended by whoever happens to be there when you happen to show up. If capping caps is the daily, a ton of people will be there to go from 0/2→2/2 and scram; any attacker strong than a butterfly is going to scare them off.

    There are people who: fight for no reason, only fight for a reason, only fight when they think they have a 3:1 advantage, only fight if they think they are 1:3, and so on.

    So again, I doubt very much if anyone's advice was anything close to, "swapping to ranger will magically transform all WvW encounters."

    I never talked being strongly defended, i talked about trying at all, especially because trying doesn't cost anything, dying ingame doesn't mean you die irl.

    Once i fougfht someone almost beat them but i got +1nd and died, was pre mount. Saw the person whom +1nd me on their own a bit later in their territory and they glided off a cliff as soon as i hit them and waypointed as soon as they where OOC. Zero reason to cater to those.

  • Justine.6351Justine.6351 Member ✭✭✭✭

    You found a 3rd faction scourge doing daily, while playing soulbeast and are surprised he just wp? It's a losing fight for him and he probably didn't want to put up with your soulbeast pewpew bs and kiting just to lose anyhow. Even I would have been 50/50 on taking that fight and I legit don't care anymore what I fight on what build.

    Anet buff me :-(
    Make me good at game!

  • Fish.2769Fish.2769 Member ✭✭✭

    People play WvW for whatever reason, if they don't want to fight someone (Regardless of class etc) they won't fight you. It's their right to play the game how they want, no matter what argument you may think of this will never change.

  • Anput.4620Anput.4620 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Fish.2769 said:
    People play WvW for whatever reason, if they don't want to fight someone (Regardless of class etc) they won't fight you. It's their right to play the game how they want, no matter what argument you may think of this will never change.

    It is an open map PvP zone so anyone has the right to engage other poeple.

    You are right in that poeple are free to not participate in PvP modes if they do not want to.

  • Jski.6180Jski.6180 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Your not a war you did not adapted you gave up what you wanted to play for the meta. Playing the meta classes over what you want to is in no way a real adapting to the game its giving up on adapting.

    I understand your making that point on some level but i am not sure if every one understand that. Droping the class you play for a meta class is not a good thing. Its not getting better as a player its not even make the game better for other ppl. Real adapting is good for the game by chasing your build and more importantly being able to changes your build to fit better into what going on in the game type.

    See ELE forms and you will get my views.

  • ArchonWing.9480ArchonWing.9480 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Actual footage of a player getting off their mount!

  • Anput.4620Anput.4620 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited June 23, 2019

    @Jski.6180 said:
    Your not a war you did not adapted you gave up what you wanted to play for the meta. Playing the meta classes over what you want to is in no way a real adapting to the game its giving up on adapting.

    I understand your making that point on some level but i am not sure if every one understand that. Droping the class you play for a meta class is not a good thing. Its not getting better as a player its not even make the game better for other ppl. Real adapting is good for the game by chasing your build and more importantly being able to changes your build to fit better into what going on in the game type.

    Ehh even though i considered war my main because she is the only one with ascended armor i mainly played boonbeast for weeks tbh, so i didn't change class, but build. I tried chugginh 1500 dmg axes at mounts but it did nothing, i mainly played my boonbeast and weaver, sometimes DE and sometimes war. Ranger has already become my favourite, with weaver as a close second by then. I just consider my main the one i have done the most on in the past, but i started playing seriously only with PoF so lots of expirimenting, i tried to make roaming minion scourge work.

    Also literally every build i had pre mounts was meta, 90% of poeple in WvW play a meta build of some sort, i also always loved bow but just couldn't find a spot for it on my boonbeast. The one bowbuild i played pre mounts was druid but that got killed for zero reason at all.

    The 2 things ive always loved are longrange bows or mounted archers and sustain tanks.

  • Loosmaster.8263Loosmaster.8263 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Jski.6180 said:
    Your not a war you did not adapted you gave up what you wanted to play for the meta. Playing the meta classes over what you want to is in no way a real adapting to the game its giving up on adapting.

    I understand your making that point on some level but i am not sure if every one understand that. Droping the class you play for a meta class is not a good thing. Its not getting better as a player its not even make the game better for other ppl. Real adapting is good for the game by chasing your build and more importantly being able to changes your build to fit better into what going on in the game type.

    This...I've been running DH for over 3 years, did a few tweaks here and there with Runes and Sigils but traits mostly stayed the same.

    I don't run in zergs or play meta classes. I learn on my own...

    Playing the PvE scene because WvW is just "BAD"...

  • Anput.4620Anput.4620 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Loosmaster.8263 said:

    @Jski.6180 said:
    Your not a war you did not adapted you gave up what you wanted to play for the meta. Playing the meta classes over what you want to is in no way a real adapting to the game its giving up on adapting.

    I understand your making that point on some level but i am not sure if every one understand that. Droping the class you play for a meta class is not a good thing. Its not getting better as a player its not even make the game better for other ppl. Real adapting is good for the game by chasing your build and more importantly being able to changes your build to fit better into what going on in the game type.

    This...I've been running DH for over 3 years, did a few tweaks here and there with Runes and Sigils but traits mostly stayed the same.

    I don't run in zergs or play meta classes. I learn on my own...

    See my response above.

  • Jski.6180Jski.6180 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Anput.4620 said:

    @Jski.6180 said:
    Your not a war you did not adapted you gave up what you wanted to play for the meta. Playing the meta classes over what you want to is in no way a real adapting to the game its giving up on adapting.

    I understand your making that point on some level but i am not sure if every one understand that. Droping the class you play for a meta class is not a good thing. Its not getting better as a player its not even make the game better for other ppl. Real adapting is good for the game by chasing your build and more importantly being able to changes your build to fit better into what going on in the game type.

    Ehh even though i considered war my main because she is the only one with ascended armor i mainly played boonbeast for weeks tbh, so i didn't change class, but build. I tried chugginh 1500 dmg axes at mounts but it did nothing, i mainly played my boonbeast and weaver, sometimes DE and sometimes war. Ranger has already become my favourite, with weaver as a close second by then. I just consider my main the one i have done the most on in the past, but i started playing seriously only with PoF so lots of expirimenting, i tried to make roaming minion scourge work.

    Also literally every build i had pre mounts was meta, 90% of poeple in WvW play a meta build of some sort, i also always loved bow but just couldn't find a spot for it on my boonbeast. The one bowbuild i played pre mounts was druid but that got killed for zero reason at all.

    The 2 things ive always loved are longrange bows or mounted archers and sustain tanks.

    I am not putting this on you lol there only so much you can do as a player. This is on Anet. The ideal of the player base asking for adapting to a meta by chasing a class you play is what i am talking about and how bad of an suggest that is for every one.

    See ELE forms and you will get my views.

  • LetoII.3782LetoII.3782 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited June 23, 2019

    @Sovereign.1093 said:
    you know, you dont r3ally need to listen to ppl. if your having fun, just enjoy it.

    ^
    And it's absolutely true, people advised you to do this, OP.
    But it's much more fun to be complained about than lectured to no?
    xD

    [HUNT] the predatory instinct

  • Anput.4620Anput.4620 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Jski.6180 said:

    @Anput.4620 said:

    @Jski.6180 said:
    Your not a war you did not adapted you gave up what you wanted to play for the meta. Playing the meta classes over what you want to is in no way a real adapting to the game its giving up on adapting.

    I understand your making that point on some level but i am not sure if every one understand that. Droping the class you play for a meta class is not a good thing. Its not getting better as a player its not even make the game better for other ppl. Real adapting is good for the game by chasing your build and more importantly being able to changes your build to fit better into what going on in the game type.

    Ehh even though i considered war my main because she is the only one with ascended armor i mainly played boonbeast for weeks tbh, so i didn't change class, but build. I tried chugginh 1500 dmg axes at mounts but it did nothing, i mainly played my boonbeast and weaver, sometimes DE and sometimes war. Ranger has already become my favourite, with weaver as a close second by then. I just consider my main the one i have done the most on in the past, but i started playing seriously only with PoF so lots of expirimenting, i tried to make roaming minion scourge work.

    Also literally every build i had pre mounts was meta, 90% of poeple in WvW play a meta build of some sort, i also always loved bow but just couldn't find a spot for it on my boonbeast. The one bowbuild i played pre mounts was druid but that got killed for zero reason at all.

    The 2 things ive always loved are longrange bows or mounted archers and sustain tanks.

    I am not putting this on you lol there only so much you can do as a player. This is on Anet. The ideal of the player base asking for adapting to a meta by chasing a class you play is what i am talking about and how bad of an suggest that is for every one.

    The post really isn't about the class change but playstyle change which doesn't really work and is still way less effective than the old situation.

  • @Anput.4620 said:
    I never talked being strongly defended, i talked about trying at all, especially because trying doesn't cost anything, dying ingame doesn't mean you die irl.

    It's a mistake to assume that people see the game the same as you do. Dying in game costs people time, if nothing else. Not every WvWarrior is interested in player-vs-player.

    Once i fougfht someone almost beat them but i got +1nd and died, was pre mount. Saw the person whom +1nd me on their own a bit later in their territory and they glided off a cliff as soon as i hit them and waypointed as soon as they where OOC. Zero reason to cater to those.

    You started the thread by making the assumption that changing from Warrior to Ranger would change how other people react. That has nothing to do with mounts or running into one person who avoided you after "nearly losing".

    Hype is the path to the dark side. Hype leads to unfulfilled expectations. Disappointment leads to anger. Anger leads to disgust. Disgust leads to "oh, new shinies! I'm back!"

  • Anput.4620Anput.4620 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Illconceived Was Na.9781 said:

    @Anput.4620 said:
    I never talked being strongly defended, i talked about trying at all, especially because trying doesn't cost anything, dying ingame doesn't mean you die irl.

    It's a mistake to assume that people see the game the same as you do. Dying in game costs people time, if nothing else. Not every WvWarrior is interested in player-vs-player.

    Once i fougfht someone almost beat them but i got +1nd and died, was pre mount. Saw the person whom +1nd me on their own a bit later in their territory and they glided off a cliff as soon as i hit them and waypointed as soon as they where OOC. Zero reason to cater to those.

    You started the thread by making the assumption that changing from Warrior to Ranger would change how other people react. That has nothing to do with mounts or running into one person who avoided you after "nearly losing".

    We really shouldn't cater to, or balance around poeple that don't want to PvP in a PvP mode.

    That wasn't the assumption i made, i made no assumption at all, this thread is satire over the fact that other poeple keep telling me, and others that poeples reaction would change if the fight you tried to initiated would be over an objective instead of in the open.

  • @Anput.4620 said:

    @Illconceived Was Na.9781 said:

    @Anput.4620 said:
    I never talked being strongly defended, i talked about trying at all, especially because trying doesn't cost anything, dying ingame doesn't mean you die irl.

    It's a mistake to assume that people see the game the same as you do. Dying in game costs people time, if nothing else. Not every WvWarrior is interested in player-vs-player.

    Once i fougfht someone almost beat them but i got +1nd and died, was pre mount. Saw the person whom +1nd me on their own a bit later in their territory and they glided off a cliff as soon as i hit them and waypointed as soon as they where OOC. Zero reason to cater to those.

    You started the thread by making the assumption that changing from Warrior to Ranger would change how other people react. That has nothing to do with mounts or running into one person who avoided you after "nearly losing".

    We really shouldn't cater to, or balance around poeple that don't want to PvP in a PvP mode.

    It's not a PvP mode; it's a WvW mode and there's room for all sorts of players. It has PvP elements and PvE elements and elements that don't belong in either mode directly.

    Regardless, you started the thread by expressing astonishment that someone ran away from you at a camp, which has nothing to do with balance. It has to do with your expectations not matching what you were likely to find at a camp.

    That wasn't the assumption i made, i made no assumption at all, this thread is satire over the fact that other poeple keep telling me, and others that poeples reaction would change if the fight you tried to initiated would be over an objective instead of in the open.

    You've made all sorts of assumptions, including the idea that everyone plays the same; they don't.

    If your goal is to find fights, it's important to consider objectives over open world as a location; it's not the only factor.

    Hype is the path to the dark side. Hype leads to unfulfilled expectations. Disappointment leads to anger. Anger leads to disgust. Disgust leads to "oh, new shinies! I'm back!"

  • Clownmug.8357Clownmug.8357 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Ok, so you lucked out one time in finding someone who wants to fight. It's still a better way than running around the bloodlust area like you were before which has way more reluctant PvE players.

  • Sovereign.1093Sovereign.1093 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @LetoII.3782 said:

    @Sovereign.1093 said:
    you know, you dont r3ally need to listen to ppl. if your having fun, just enjoy it.

    ^
    And it's absolutely true, people advised you to do this, OP.
    But it's much more fun to be complained about than lectured to no?
    xD

    its just more fun to play as you intend =p. you bought the game, why follow the whims of strangers.

    Not Even Coverage is the Only broken thing in WVW.

  • Anput.4620Anput.4620 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Illconceived Was Na.9781 said:

    @Anput.4620 said:

    @Illconceived Was Na.9781 said:

    @Anput.4620 said:
    I never talked being strongly defended, i talked about trying at all, especially because trying doesn't cost anything, dying ingame doesn't mean you die irl.

    It's a mistake to assume that people see the game the same as you do. Dying in game costs people time, if nothing else. Not every WvWarrior is interested in player-vs-player.

    Once i fougfht someone almost beat them but i got +1nd and died, was pre mount. Saw the person whom +1nd me on their own a bit later in their territory and they glided off a cliff as soon as i hit them and waypointed as soon as they where OOC. Zero reason to cater to those.

    You started the thread by making the assumption that changing from Warrior to Ranger would change how other people react. That has nothing to do with mounts or running into one person who avoided you after "nearly losing".

    We really shouldn't cater to, or balance around poeple that don't want to PvP in a PvP mode.

    It's not a PvP mode; it's a WvW mode and there's room for all sorts of players. It has PvP elements and PvE elements and elements that don't belong in either mode directly.

    Regardless, you started the thread by expressing astonishment that someone ran away from you at a camp, which has nothing to do with balance. It has to do with your expectations not matching what you were likely to find at a camp.

    That wasn't the assumption i made, i made no assumption at all, this thread is satire over the fact that other poeple keep telling me, and others that poeples reaction would change if the fight you tried to initiated would be over an objective instead of in the open.

    You've made all sorts of assumptions, including the idea that everyone plays the same; they don't.

    If your goal is to find fights, it's important to consider objectives over open world as a location; it's not the only factor.

    Theres a difference between caring about objectives and winning and carring about the ktrain and pips.

  • Swagger.1459Swagger.1459 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited June 23, 2019

    @Anput.4620 said:

    @Illconceived Was Na.9781 said:

    @Anput.4620 said:

    @Illconceived Was Na.9781 said:

    @Anput.4620 said:
    I never talked being strongly defended, i talked about trying at all, especially because trying doesn't cost anything, dying ingame doesn't mean you die irl.

    It's a mistake to assume that people see the game the same as you do. Dying in game costs people time, if nothing else. Not every WvWarrior is interested in player-vs-player.

    Once i fougfht someone almost beat them but i got +1nd and died, was pre mount. Saw the person whom +1nd me on their own a bit later in their territory and they glided off a cliff as soon as i hit them and waypointed as soon as they where OOC. Zero reason to cater to those.

    You started the thread by making the assumption that changing from Warrior to Ranger would change how other people react. That has nothing to do with mounts or running into one person who avoided you after "nearly losing".

    We really shouldn't cater to, or balance around poeple that don't want to PvP in a PvP mode.

    It's not a PvP mode; it's a WvW mode and there's room for all sorts of players. It has PvP elements and PvE elements and elements that don't belong in either mode directly.

    Regardless, you started the thread by expressing astonishment that someone ran away from you at a camp, which has nothing to do with balance. It has to do with your expectations not matching what you were likely to find at a camp.

    That wasn't the assumption i made, i made no assumption at all, this thread is satire over the fact that other poeple keep telling me, and others that poeples reaction would change if the fight you tried to initiated would be over an objective instead of in the open.

    You've made all sorts of assumptions, including the idea that everyone plays the same; they don't.

    If your goal is to find fights, it's important to consider objectives over open world as a location; it's not the only factor.

    Theres a difference between caring about objectives and winning and carring about the ktrain and pips.

    Correct, there is a difference. And just like @Illconceived Was Na.9781 pointed out... there are "all sorts of players"...

    I honestly don't understand your thread. You provide 1 clip of 1 encounter and that's your sample of the playerbase not wanting to fight? Your arguments would be stronger if you didn't find any fights throughout an entire game session, but we all know that won't ever be the case... So again, not sure what the real point to the thread really is?

  • oOStaticOo.9467oOStaticOo.9467 Member ✭✭✭

    The intent is to complain about Warclaw incessantly to the point that it gets deleted, which will never happen. He hates Warclaw and will do anything and everything to show everybody just how much he hates it. Doesn't understand that WvW is not strictly PvP and that people should and do have a choice as to whether or not they engage in a 1v1 matchup. If people do not want to fight other people, they will not fight. Whether that means running away, waypointing away, or simply just standing there while the other person kills them. You can't force somebody to play a game the way you want it to be played and expect it to be played. Doesn't work that way. Yes WvW is an openworld setting where people can fight other people, but they also do not have to. There are other things to do as well that doesn't involve 1v1.

  • Sovereign.1093Sovereign.1093 Member ✭✭✭✭

    hates warclaw? blasphemy. it is simply the best thing out there in wvw right now

    Not Even Coverage is the Only broken thing in WVW.

  • Anput.4620Anput.4620 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited June 23, 2019

    @oOStaticOo.9467 said:
    The intent is to complain about Warclaw incessantly to the point that it gets deleted, which will never happen. He hates Warclaw and will do anything and everything to show everybody just how much he hates it. Doesn't understand that WvW is not strictly PvP and that people should and do have a choice as to whether or not they engage in a 1v1 matchup. If people do not want to fight other people, they will not fight. Whether that means running away, waypointing away, or simply just standing there while the other person kills them. You can't force somebody to play a game the way you want it to be played and expect it to be played. Doesn't work that way. Yes WvW is an openworld setting where people can fight other people, but they also do not have to. There are other things to do as well that doesn't involve 1v1.

    I can also join PvP and not fight over caps because i don't want to.

    Or join tarir and kill octovine because i like DPSing and thats how i like to play, to see if our side can kill it first.

    Or play a BR game except i don't want poeple to shoot at me so i just go and jump in the water to die.

    Or i can play football without ever touching the ball.

    Or i can just play the game normally. It isn't about 1v1, it is about a free for all wild west open PvP whether it is 1v1, 2v2, 10v10, 30v30. Instead we get monoblob skilllag ktrain meta which is a pathetic joke to any world PvP oriented player comming from other MMO's, the fact that for most poeple WvW is almost strictly PvE says enough here. Simply playing PvD is not intended design, you know this, and you know that no other PvP game would dare design their mechanics like this game but that this game panders towards casuals.
    But yeah next time you play a MOBA and your midlaner is feeding by diving on every chance just tell yourself "I can't force them to play how i want to, if they like going 0-21 because they like diving let them".

    Who am i kidding though talking to you about mounts, you don't understand balance lol.

    PvP modes shouldn't be carebear modes. Meanwhile in MOBA's you can be reported for not playing your assigned role, how come competitively focused games seem to get everything way better?

    @Swagger.1459 said:

    @Anput.4620 said:

    @Illconceived Was Na.9781 said:

    @Anput.4620 said:

    @Illconceived Was Na.9781 said:

    @Anput.4620 said:
    I never talked being strongly defended, i talked about trying at all, especially because trying doesn't cost anything, dying ingame doesn't mean you die irl.

    It's a mistake to assume that people see the game the same as you do. Dying in game costs people time, if nothing else. Not every WvWarrior is interested in player-vs-player.

    Once i fougfht someone almost beat them but i got +1nd and died, was pre mount. Saw the person whom +1nd me on their own a bit later in their territory and they glided off a cliff as soon as i hit them and waypointed as soon as they where OOC. Zero reason to cater to those.

    You started the thread by making the assumption that changing from Warrior to Ranger would change how other people react. That has nothing to do with mounts or running into one person who avoided you after "nearly losing".

    We really shouldn't cater to, or balance around poeple that don't want to PvP in a PvP mode.

    It's not a PvP mode; it's a WvW mode and there's room for all sorts of players. It has PvP elements and PvE elements and elements that don't belong in either mode directly.

    Regardless, you started the thread by expressing astonishment that someone ran away from you at a camp, which has nothing to do with balance. It has to do with your expectations not matching what you were likely to find at a camp.

    That wasn't the assumption i made, i made no assumption at all, this thread is satire over the fact that other poeple keep telling me, and others that poeples reaction would change if the fight you tried to initiated would be over an objective instead of in the open.

    You've made all sorts of assumptions, including the idea that everyone plays the same; they don't.

    If your goal is to find fights, it's important to consider objectives over open world as a location; it's not the only factor.

    Theres a difference between caring about objectives and winning and carring about the ktrain and pips.

    Correct, there is a difference. And just like @Illconceived Was Na.9781 pointed out... there are "all sorts of players"...

    I honestly don't understand your thread. You provide 1 clip of 1 encounter and that's your sample of the playerbase not wanting to fight? Your arguments would be stronger if you didn't find any fights throughout an entire game session, but we all know that won't ever be the case... So again, not sure what the real point to the thread really is?

    Literally explained the thread in comments above.

  • Gop.8713Gop.8713 Member ✭✭✭✭

    This really doesn't make sense. The thread title says you adapted, but the thread is complaining about the behavior of another player, which is the opposite of adapting to it . . .

    If your point is that you want fights you should be grateful to the player in your vid for saving you the trouble of finding out they couldn't give you one. No harm no foul . . .

  • Voltekka.2375Voltekka.2375 Member ✭✭✭✭

    The funny thing is you actually answer to OP with logical arguments, while OP made this clip to troll. If he still doesnt understand how roaming works and which camps/objectives to go after, well...

  • What is this trying to show? I legit don't get it.

  • @aspirine.6852 said:
    So you scared away a pve player only there for his or her daily. Yay?

    I have to agree, I used to be that pve player. Sometimes the pve dailys suck, so you come to wvw to clean one up and hope you don't get killed so you can leave and get on with your day.

  • sephiroth.4217sephiroth.4217 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited June 23, 2019

    @oOStaticOo.9467 said:
    The intent is to complain about Warclaw incessantly to the point that it gets deleted, which will never happen. He hates Warclaw and will do anything and everything to show everybody just how much he hates it. Doesn't understand that WvW is not strictly PvP and that people should and do have a choice as to whether or not they engage in a 1v1 matchup. If people do not want to fight other people, they will not fight. Whether that means running away, waypointing away, or simply just standing there while the other person kills them. You can't force somebody to play a game the way you want it to be played and expect it to be played. Doesn't work that way. Yes WvW is an openworld setting where people can fight other people, but they also do not have to. There are other things to do as well that doesn't involve 1v1.

    Yea totally agree... when I play battlefield I get angry that other people kill me, I just want to run around and admire the graphics and anyone who says im playing the game wrong needs to adapt.

    Same goes for WvW.. I just want to admire the armor of my enemies. Thats why I do open world pvp of course...
    End sarcasm.

    I get his point, I get yours... but these arguements are borderline ludicrous.

    Its either open world pvp or its not, currently WvW has the wrong description as its not open world pvp but claims to be.... Its like saying GW2 is a racing game just because it has beetle racing when its not... well thats wvw right now, claiming to be something its not.

  • Sovereign.1093Sovereign.1093 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @sephiroth.4217 said:

    @oOStaticOo.9467 said:
    The intent is to complain about Warclaw incessantly to the point that it gets deleted, which will never happen. He hates Warclaw and will do anything and everything to show everybody just how much he hates it. Doesn't understand that WvW is not strictly PvP and that people should and do have a choice as to whether or not they engage in a 1v1 matchup. If people do not want to fight other people, they will not fight. Whether that means running away, waypointing away, or simply just standing there while the other person kills them. You can't force somebody to play a game the way you want it to be played and expect it to be played. Doesn't work that way. Yes WvW is an openworld setting where people can fight other people, but they also do not have to. There are other things to do as well that doesn't involve 1v1.

    Yea totally agree... when I play battlefield I get angry that other people kill me, I just want to run around and admire the graphics and anyone who says im playing the game wrong needs to adapt.

    Same goes for WvW.. I just want to admire the armor of my enemies. Thats why I do open world pvp of course...
    End sarcasm.

    I get his point, I get yours... but these arguements are borderline ludicrous.

    Its either open world pvp or its not, currently WvW has the wrong description as its not open world pvp but claims to be.... Its like saying GW2 is a racing game just because it has beetle racing when its not... well thats wvw right now, claiming to be something its not.

    it takes two to tango, unfortunately. while it is pvp, players can simply choose not to participate. :/

    Not Even Coverage is the Only broken thing in WVW.

  • enkidu.5937enkidu.5937 Member ✭✭✭

    Adapt this instead:
    unmount earlier -> abuse range and pew pew -> get ya lewt bag
    GZ you've mastered SB :o

  • Sovereign.1093Sovereign.1093 Member ✭✭✭✭

    in hindsight, i think it has nothing to do with the mount as to why the enemy left, it was simply because he was a ranger :P

    Not Even Coverage is the Only broken thing in WVW.

  • Offair.2563Offair.2563 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Sovereign.1093 said:
    in hindsight, i think it has nothing to do with the mount as to why the enemy left, it was simply because he was a ranger :P

    Naw was a german realising he had no zerg to back him up, would have wp'd out facing a quaggan that way.

    Don't argue with idiots, they drag you down to their level and own you with experience.
    Big Babou, Ranger for life.

  • sephiroth.4217sephiroth.4217 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Sovereign.1093 said:

    @sephiroth.4217 said:

    @oOStaticOo.9467 said:
    The intent is to complain about Warclaw incessantly to the point that it gets deleted, which will never happen. He hates Warclaw and will do anything and everything to show everybody just how much he hates it. Doesn't understand that WvW is not strictly PvP and that people should and do have a choice as to whether or not they engage in a 1v1 matchup. If people do not want to fight other people, they will not fight. Whether that means running away, waypointing away, or simply just standing there while the other person kills them. You can't force somebody to play a game the way you want it to be played and expect it to be played. Doesn't work that way. Yes WvW is an openworld setting where people can fight other people, but they also do not have to. There are other things to do as well that doesn't involve 1v1.

    Yea totally agree... when I play battlefield I get angry that other people kill me, I just want to run around and admire the graphics and anyone who says im playing the game wrong needs to adapt.

    Same goes for WvW.. I just want to admire the armor of my enemies. Thats why I do open world pvp of course...
    End sarcasm.

    I get his point, I get yours... but these arguements are borderline ludicrous.

    Its either open world pvp or its not, currently WvW has the wrong description as its not open world pvp but claims to be.... Its like saying GW2 is a racing game just because it has beetle racing when its not... well thats wvw right now, claiming to be something its not.

    it takes two to tango, unfortunately. while it is pvp, players can simply choose not to participate. :/

    See thats why I cant call it open world pvp anymore because theres now an option to participate in the mode without actually doing pvp.
    Its just a PvE map now that allows player killing.

  • Sovereign.1093Sovereign.1093 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @sephiroth.4217 said:

    @Sovereign.1093 said:

    @sephiroth.4217 said:

    @oOStaticOo.9467 said:
    The intent is to complain about Warclaw incessantly to the point that it gets deleted, which will never happen. He hates Warclaw and will do anything and everything to show everybody just how much he hates it. Doesn't understand that WvW is not strictly PvP and that people should and do have a choice as to whether or not they engage in a 1v1 matchup. If people do not want to fight other people, they will not fight. Whether that means running away, waypointing away, or simply just standing there while the other person kills them. You can't force somebody to play a game the way you want it to be played and expect it to be played. Doesn't work that way. Yes WvW is an openworld setting where people can fight other people, but they also do not have to. There are other things to do as well that doesn't involve 1v1.

    Yea totally agree... when I play battlefield I get angry that other people kill me, I just want to run around and admire the graphics and anyone who says im playing the game wrong needs to adapt.

    Same goes for WvW.. I just want to admire the armor of my enemies. Thats why I do open world pvp of course...
    End sarcasm.

    I get his point, I get yours... but these arguements are borderline ludicrous.

    Its either open world pvp or its not, currently WvW has the wrong description as its not open world pvp but claims to be.... Its like saying GW2 is a racing game just because it has beetle racing when its not... well thats wvw right now, claiming to be something its not.

    it takes two to tango, unfortunately. while it is pvp, players can simply choose not to participate. :/

    See thats why I cant call it open world pvp anymore because theres now an option to participate in the mode without actually doing pvp.
    Its just a PvE map now that allows player killing.

    no no, i mean in any game mode, you can choose not to participate.

    unless its pve

    Not Even Coverage is the Only broken thing in WVW.

  • sephiroth.4217sephiroth.4217 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Sovereign.1093 said:

    @sephiroth.4217 said:

    @Sovereign.1093 said:

    @sephiroth.4217 said:

    @oOStaticOo.9467 said:
    The intent is to complain about Warclaw incessantly to the point that it gets deleted, which will never happen. He hates Warclaw and will do anything and everything to show everybody just how much he hates it. Doesn't understand that WvW is not strictly PvP and that people should and do have a choice as to whether or not they engage in a 1v1 matchup. If people do not want to fight other people, they will not fight. Whether that means running away, waypointing away, or simply just standing there while the other person kills them. You can't force somebody to play a game the way you want it to be played and expect it to be played. Doesn't work that way. Yes WvW is an openworld setting where people can fight other people, but they also do not have to. There are other things to do as well that doesn't involve 1v1.

    Yea totally agree... when I play battlefield I get angry that other people kill me, I just want to run around and admire the graphics and anyone who says im playing the game wrong needs to adapt.

    Same goes for WvW.. I just want to admire the armor of my enemies. Thats why I do open world pvp of course...
    End sarcasm.

    I get his point, I get yours... but these arguements are borderline ludicrous.

    Its either open world pvp or its not, currently WvW has the wrong description as its not open world pvp but claims to be.... Its like saying GW2 is a racing game just because it has beetle racing when its not... well thats wvw right now, claiming to be something its not.

    it takes two to tango, unfortunately. while it is pvp, players can simply choose not to participate. :/

    See thats why I cant call it open world pvp anymore because theres now an option to participate in the mode without actually doing pvp.
    Its just a PvE map now that allows player killing.

    no no, i mean in any game mode, you can choose not to participate.

    unless its pve

    Ah I see now.. Thats true.
    I love and care for the game a lot and wouldnt say thats an ideal solution. Id rather see this game grow and be something that is still played for the next 10 or so years.

    But yes, there are plenty of games on the market for a player to play, thousands upon thousands of pve games to chose from.
    If anyone has a list of WvWvW games that are as good as this one please feel free to list them as I have none that come to mind.