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New Daggerstorm change coming question.

  • Dagger Storm: Reduced the casting time by 30%. Increased damage by 33% in PvE only.

if the cast time is 4s and duration of evade is 4 and a fourth... will the duration of the evade be nerfed too?

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  • Vancho.8750Vancho.8750 Member ✭✭✭

    Pretty sure people had issue only when it went of twice in a row and that thief could deny caps with it. If they made the reset have like around 10 seconds in between casts so it is not daggerstorm steal daggerstorm, wouldn't have been so bad, but now they now nerfed it for pvp and it feels like huge buff for pve since you are not locked in animation.

  • Shade.8971Shade.8971 Member ✭✭

    What did thief get in return? Useless traitline changes for troll builds and new utilities that can't compete with meta utilities.

  • Crab Fear.1624Crab Fear.1624 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Shade.8971 said:
    What did thief get in return? Useless traitline changes for troll builds and new utilities that can't compete with meta utilities.

    Well, I have faith in the portal skill.

    Soon™ ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

    Thief is my obsession.

  • praqtos.9035praqtos.9035 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited July 12, 2019

    @Vancho.8750 said:
    Pretty sure people had issue only when it went of twice in a row and that thief could deny caps with it. If they made the reset have like around 10 seconds in between casts so it is not daggerstorm steal daggerstorm, wouldn't have been so bad, but now they now nerfed it for pvp and it feels like huge buff for pve since you are not locked in animation.

    10s cd on daggerstorm is fine? :joy::joy::joy::joy::joy::joy::joy::joy::joy::joy::joy::joy::joy::joy::joy::joy:
    Can mesmer distortion to be 10s as well ?
    I dont see how its buff in pve, they use elite venom for heavy CC.
    They need to change improv to not recharge it, ever, not nerf DS.

  • Highlie.7641Highlie.7641 Member ✭✭✭

    I'm assuming they mean the time it takes for the skill to activate. to simplify. The time between when you press the skill to when you start reflecting projectiles.

    They would of used Duration if they where nerfing the length.

  • praqtos.9035praqtos.9035 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited July 12, 2019

    @ZhouX.8742 said:

    @praqtos.9035 said:

    @Vancho.8750 said:
    Pretty sure people had issue only when it went of twice in a row and that thief could deny caps with it. If they made the reset have like around 10 seconds in between casts so it is not daggerstorm steal daggerstorm, wouldn't have been so bad, but now they now nerfed it for pvp and it feels like huge buff for pve since you are not locked in animation.

    10s cd on daggerstorm is fine? :joy::joy::joy::joy::joy::joy::joy::joy::joy::joy::joy::joy::joy::joy::joy::joy:
    Can mesmer distortion to be 10s as well ?
    I dont see how its buff in pve, they use elite venom for heavy CC.
    They need to change improv to not recharge it, ever, not nerf DS.

    Are you really comparing mesmer sustain to thief sustain?

    I didnt compare anything, if he think 4s evade-dps mode is fine, just invul for ~1-3s avg is would be pretty fair.
    Its been calculated that core s/d thief has highest evasion uptime compared to weaver and UNNERFED mirage with 1s MC, now mesmer evasion is faaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaar behind. Not sure why you brought it here, even Sind said DS shouldnt be recharged by improv and there is nothing "skilled" about it this elite, want to argue with him as well ?

  • praqtos.9035praqtos.9035 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @ZhouX.8742 said:

    @praqtos.9035 said:

    @ZhouX.8742 said:

    @praqtos.9035 said:

    @Vancho.8750 said:
    Pretty sure people had issue only when it went of twice in a row and that thief could deny caps with it. If they made the reset have like around 10 seconds in between casts so it is not daggerstorm steal daggerstorm, wouldn't have been so bad, but now they now nerfed it for pvp and it feels like huge buff for pve since you are not locked in animation.

    10s cd on daggerstorm is fine? :joy::joy::joy::joy::joy::joy::joy::joy::joy::joy::joy::joy::joy::joy::joy::joy:
    Can mesmer distortion to be 10s as well ?
    I dont see how its buff in pve, they use elite venom for heavy CC.
    They need to change improv to not recharge it, ever, not nerf DS.

    Are you really comparing mesmer sustain to thief sustain?

    I didnt compare anything, if he think 4s evade-dps mode is fine, just invul for ~1-3s avg is would be pretty fair.
    Its been calculated that core s/d thief has highest evasion uptime compared to weaver and UNNERFED mirage with 1s MC, now mesmer evasion is faaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaar behind. Not sure why you brought it here, even Sind said DS shouldnt be recharged by improv and there is nothing "skilled" about it this elite, want to argue with him as well ?

    I don't give a kitten what Sindrener says lmao

    If you nerf DS then you nerf the only thing that keeps thief actually playable in top end PvP and basically relegates to a literal decap bot which ironically is the only reason it's in PvP at the moment is it's decapping potential anyway , not double DS btw.

    If you actually knew thief, you'd know this.

    I dont care what you think what keeps thief viable or not. All I care about is stupid interaction between DS and improv to RANDOMLY recharge it.
    O, want an example ? Chrono with a scepter 3, that was the only thing that kept it viable, but oh nooooooooo, it was over-nerfed even more than it was before the buff,that wasnt popular at all and only one team ever brought it in mAT and nobody else. If you still dont get it -> they dont care if its keep X class viable or not, they just nerf it if they feel like it.

  • praqtos.9035praqtos.9035 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @ZhouX.8742 said:
    It's also funny how you define sustain by how much evasion each class... Not everything else in Mirage's kit btw

    Shows truly how much you literally know nothing about sustain and it's forms in PvP

    Smh

    That also shows that you know nothing about "sustain" (that had nothing to do with my post, alienbrain), avoid damage->facetank damage fyi.

  • praqtos.9035praqtos.9035 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited July 13, 2019

    @Elxdark.9702 said:
    The problem is not the skill itself, it's an elite with 90s cd it has to be good or at least worth to use it.
    The real problem is that it gets reset by improv and that's super broken, improv shouldn't restore elite/heals period. I wish I had my vod where in one of my matches improv procs DS 7 times lol

    This. When improv hit the trick category you get : healing skill (evade), roll for initiative(evade+initiative obsly), DS another 4s of evade and AoE damage. Thats literally BETTER than CS elite F5. RNG shouldnt ever affect competive game modes.

  • praqtos.9035praqtos.9035 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @ZhouX.8742 said:

    @praqtos.9035 said:

    @ZhouX.8742 said:

    @praqtos.9035 said:

    @ZhouX.8742 said:

    @praqtos.9035 said:

    @Vancho.8750 said:
    Pretty sure people had issue only when it went of twice in a row and that thief could deny caps with it. If they made the reset have like around 10 seconds in between casts so it is not daggerstorm steal daggerstorm, wouldn't have been so bad, but now they now nerfed it for pvp and it feels like huge buff for pve since you are not locked in animation.

    10s cd on daggerstorm is fine? :joy::joy::joy::joy::joy::joy::joy::joy::joy::joy::joy::joy::joy::joy::joy::joy:
    Can mesmer distortion to be 10s as well ?
    I dont see how its buff in pve, they use elite venom for heavy CC.
    They need to change improv to not recharge it, ever, not nerf DS.

    Are you really comparing mesmer sustain to thief sustain?

    I didnt compare anything, if he think 4s evade-dps mode is fine, just invul for ~1-3s avg is would be pretty fair.
    Its been calculated that core s/d thief has highest evasion uptime compared to weaver and UNNERFED mirage with 1s MC, now mesmer evasion is faaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaar behind. Not sure why you brought it here, even Sind said DS shouldnt be recharged by improv and there is nothing "skilled" about it this elite, want to argue with him as well ?

    I don't give a kitten what Sindrener says lmao

    If you nerf DS then you nerf the only thing that keeps thief actually playable in top end PvP and basically relegates to a literal decap bot which ironically is the only reason it's in PvP at the moment is it's decapping potential anyway , not double DS btw.

    If you actually knew thief, you'd know this.

    I dont care what you think what keeps thief viable or not. All I care about is stupid interaction between DS and improv to RANDOMLY recharge it.
    O, want an example ? Chrono with a scepter 3, that was the only thing that kept it viable, but oh nooooooooo, it was over-nerfed even more than it was before the buff,that wasnt popular at all and only one team ever brought it in mAT and nobody else. If you still dont get it -> they dont care if its keep X class viable or not, they just nerf it if they feel like it.

    Thief is not in matches for double DS from improv so it's not as broken as you think, this is the point you seem to keep missing. It's in PvP matches right now because it's decapping power, mobility and 1up pressure potential. The only reason.

    You could essentially nerf improv and drop double DS and it will still be in matches ruining your day as a mesmer because it's your natural counter.

    Again, clueless about thief.

    You are the only one who is clueless. Even the best thief in the game that is far more intelligent than 99.9% of the forum said himself that is broken but hey you know better than anyone apparently :joy:
    Cba to argue with stubborn delusional people, wont respond to you,ever.

  • otto.5684otto.5684 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited July 13, 2019

    @ZhouX.8742 said:
    It's also funny how you define sustain by how much evasion each class... Not everything else in Mirage's kit btw

    Shows truly how much you literally know nothing about sustain and it's forms in PvP

    Smh

    It is not the only measure, but evasion + block + distortion + healing + cleanse + stealth+ damage reduction (toughness, protection or otherwise). Core thief has better sustainability against classes with heavy aoe than Mesmer. And generally, core thief S/D has extremely high ability to avoid damage, even if the remaining options are not high.

    Regardless of thief sustainability, a skill with distortion, 4 sec duration, does decent damage and prevents does point contribution needs a nerf. Add to that, random proc, something definitely needed to change.

  • Impact.2780Impact.2780 Member ✭✭

    @Shade.8971 said:
    What did thief get in return? Useless traitline changes for troll builds and new utilities that can't compete with meta utilities.

    <- thief main

    Yes it helps with survival but it's primarily a damage ability, often utilised for cleaving or getting a target down.

    They reduced the cast time. They didn't reduce the damage.

    Same damage occurs over 3 seconds instead of 4. This is a damage buff. That's what you get in return.

    There is your tradeoff.

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  • Crypto.7609Crypto.7609 Member ✭✭

    @Impact.2780 said:

    @Shade.8971 said:
    What did thief get in return? Useless traitline changes for troll builds and new utilities that can't compete with meta utilities.

    <- thief main

    Yes it helps with survival but it's primarily a damage ability, often utilised for cleaving or getting a target down.

    They reduced the cast time. They didn't reduce the damage.

    Same damage occurs over 3 seconds instead of 4. This is a damage buff. That's what you get in return.

    There is your tradeoff.

    Total dmg was nerfed...

  • Lincolnbeard.1735Lincolnbeard.1735 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Impact.2780 said:

    @Shade.8971 said:
    What did thief get in return? Useless traitline changes for troll builds and new utilities that can't compete with meta utilities.

    <- thief main

    Yes it helps with survival but it's primarily a damage ability, often utilised for cleaving or getting a target down.

    They reduced the cast time. They didn't reduce the damage.

    Same damage occurs over 3 seconds instead of 4. This is a damage buff. That's what you get in return.

    There is your tradeoff.

    I've read that the same way you did, it is an evade nerf but a damage buff.
    ANerf didn't say anywhere the damage was reduced too, so I guess it's similar to when BF was reduced, meaning the damage you dealt over the course of 4 secs is now done in 3secs.

    The degenerate

  • get rid of this skill entirely and never give such dumb downed gameplay to thief again keep that to other classes thank you very much

  • @Lincolnbeard.1735 said:

    @Impact.2780 said:

    @Shade.8971 said:
    What did thief get in return? Useless traitline changes for troll builds and new utilities that can't compete with meta utilities.

    <- thief main

    Yes it helps with survival but it's primarily a damage ability, often utilised for cleaving or getting a target down.

    They reduced the cast time. They didn't reduce the damage.

    Same damage occurs over 3 seconds instead of 4. This is a damage buff. That's what you get in return.

    There is your tradeoff.

    I've read that the same way you did, it is an evade nerf but a damage buff.
    ANerf didn't say anywhere the damage was reduced too, so I guess it's similar to when BF was reduced, meaning the damage you dealt over the course of 4 secs is now done in 3secs.

    they literally gave a +33% dmg buff to it in pve to compensate so dont get your hopes up that the damage stays the same in pvp

  • Azure The Heartless.3261Azure The Heartless.3261 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited July 13, 2019

    Cast time and channel time are two different things.

    No they aren't, I'm insane. I was thinking startup would just be faster.

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    [Plays every class]
    [JUST GIT EVEN GUDDER ITS FINE]

  • Crab Fear.1624Crab Fear.1624 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited July 15, 2019

    Hmmm.

    This description of change has a little semantic ambiguity.

    So dagger storm in PvP will cast for 2.8 s and evade for 3.15 s ?

    Or, is it simply a reduction in the pre-action time and lowering the chance of interruption?

    I have stopped DS with steal before, and it has happen to me when someone triggered FC right as I started casting.

    I'm not sure this is a nerf.

    Would be nice if any dev would clarify.

    Yeah, yeah we find out in a couple days....

    Soon™ ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

    Thief is my obsession.

  • Fat Disgrace.4275Fat Disgrace.4275 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Crab Fear.1624 said:

    @Shade.8971 said:
    What did thief get in return? Useless traitline changes for troll builds and new utilities that can't compete with meta utilities.

    Well, I have faith in the portal skill.

    What are you going to drop for that though, every 1 uses signet of agility and shadow step, that leaves the 3rd for roll for ini/blinding powder/bandits defence.

    Cant really think of any reason to use a 1 way 5 person portal in spvp.

  • Fat Disgrace.4275Fat Disgrace.4275 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited July 15, 2019

    @praqtos.9035 said:

    @ZhouX.8742 said:

    @praqtos.9035 said:

    @ZhouX.8742 said:

    @praqtos.9035 said:

    @ZhouX.8742 said:

    @praqtos.9035 said:

    @Vancho.8750 said:
    Pretty sure people had issue only when it went of twice in a row and that thief could deny caps with it. If they made the reset have like around 10 seconds in between casts so it is not daggerstorm steal daggerstorm, wouldn't have been so bad, but now they now nerfed it for pvp and it feels like huge buff for pve since you are not locked in animation.

    10s cd on daggerstorm is fine? :joy::joy::joy::joy::joy::joy::joy::joy::joy::joy::joy::joy::joy::joy::joy::joy:
    Can mesmer distortion to be 10s as well ?
    I dont see how its buff in pve, they use elite venom for heavy CC.
    They need to change improv to not recharge it, ever, not nerf DS.

    Are you really comparing mesmer sustain to thief sustain?

    I didnt compare anything, if he think 4s evade-dps mode is fine, just invul for ~1-3s avg is would be pretty fair.
    Its been calculated that core s/d thief has highest evasion uptime compared to weaver and UNNERFED mirage with 1s MC, now mesmer evasion is faaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaar behind. Not sure why you brought it here, even Sind said DS shouldnt be recharged by improv and there is nothing "skilled" about it this elite, want to argue with him as well ?

    I don't give a kitten what Sindrener says lmao

    If you nerf DS then you nerf the only thing that keeps thief actually playable in top end PvP and basically relegates to a literal decap bot which ironically is the only reason it's in PvP at the moment is it's decapping potential anyway , not double DS btw.

    If you actually knew thief, you'd know this.

    I dont care what you think what keeps thief viable or not. All I care about is stupid interaction between DS and improv to RANDOMLY recharge it.
    O, want an example ? Chrono with a scepter 3, that was the only thing that kept it viable, but oh nooooooooo, it was over-nerfed even more than it was before the buff,that wasnt popular at all and only one team ever brought it in mAT and nobody else. If you still dont get it -> they dont care if its keep X class viable or not, they just nerf it if they feel like it.

    Thief is not in matches for double DS from improv so it's not as broken as you think, this is the point you seem to keep missing. It's in PvP matches right now because it's decapping power, mobility and 1up pressure potential. The only reason.

    You could essentially nerf improv and drop double DS and it will still be in matches ruining your day as a mesmer because it's your natural counter.

    Again, clueless about thief.

    You are the only one who is clueless. Even the best thief in the game that is far more intelligent than 99.9% of the forum said himself that is broken but hey you know better than anyone apparently :joy:
    Cba to argue with stubborn delusional people, wont respond to you,ever.

    What? He never said ds was fair or that improv is balanced at recharging ds, we all know its busted but that is also why everyone uses it, it's too good not to take it. bv is only good I'd say for the break bar on lord lol.

  • praqtos.9035praqtos.9035 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Fat Disgrace.4275 said:

    @praqtos.9035 said:

    @ZhouX.8742 said:

    @praqtos.9035 said:

    @ZhouX.8742 said:

    @praqtos.9035 said:

    @ZhouX.8742 said:

    @praqtos.9035 said:

    @Vancho.8750 said:
    Pretty sure people had issue only when it went of twice in a row and that thief could deny caps with it. If they made the reset have like around 10 seconds in between casts so it is not daggerstorm steal daggerstorm, wouldn't have been so bad, but now they now nerfed it for pvp and it feels like huge buff for pve since you are not locked in animation.

    10s cd on daggerstorm is fine? :joy::joy::joy::joy::joy::joy::joy::joy::joy::joy::joy::joy::joy::joy::joy::joy:
    Can mesmer distortion to be 10s as well ?
    I dont see how its buff in pve, they use elite venom for heavy CC.
    They need to change improv to not recharge it, ever, not nerf DS.

    Are you really comparing mesmer sustain to thief sustain?

    I didnt compare anything, if he think 4s evade-dps mode is fine, just invul for ~1-3s avg is would be pretty fair.
    Its been calculated that core s/d thief has highest evasion uptime compared to weaver and UNNERFED mirage with 1s MC, now mesmer evasion is faaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaar behind. Not sure why you brought it here, even Sind said DS shouldnt be recharged by improv and there is nothing "skilled" about it this elite, want to argue with him as well ?

    I don't give a kitten what Sindrener says lmao

    If you nerf DS then you nerf the only thing that keeps thief actually playable in top end PvP and basically relegates to a literal decap bot which ironically is the only reason it's in PvP at the moment is it's decapping potential anyway , not double DS btw.

    If you actually knew thief, you'd know this.

    I dont care what you think what keeps thief viable or not. All I care about is stupid interaction between DS and improv to RANDOMLY recharge it.
    O, want an example ? Chrono with a scepter 3, that was the only thing that kept it viable, but oh nooooooooo, it was over-nerfed even more than it was before the buff,that wasnt popular at all and only one team ever brought it in mAT and nobody else. If you still dont get it -> they dont care if its keep X class viable or not, they just nerf it if they feel like it.

    Thief is not in matches for double DS from improv so it's not as broken as you think, this is the point you seem to keep missing. It's in PvP matches right now because it's decapping power, mobility and 1up pressure potential. The only reason.

    You could essentially nerf improv and drop double DS and it will still be in matches ruining your day as a mesmer because it's your natural counter.

    Again, clueless about thief.

    You are the only one who is clueless. Even the best thief in the game that is far more intelligent than 99.9% of the forum said himself that is broken but hey you know better than anyone apparently :joy:
    Cba to argue with stubborn delusional people, wont respond to you,ever.

    What? He never said ds was fair or that improv is balanced at recharging ds, we all know its busted but that is also why everyone uses it, it's too good not to take it. bv is only good I'd say for the break bar on lord lol.

    Let me quote him

    Thief is not in matches for double DS from improv so it's not as broken as you think

    Now, get out of here

  • Fat Disgrace.4275Fat Disgrace.4275 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @praqtos.9035 said:

    @Fat Disgrace.4275 said:

    @praqtos.9035 said:

    @ZhouX.8742 said:

    @praqtos.9035 said:

    @ZhouX.8742 said:

    @praqtos.9035 said:

    @ZhouX.8742 said:

    @praqtos.9035 said:

    @Vancho.8750 said:
    Pretty sure people had issue only when it went of twice in a row and that thief could deny caps with it. If they made the reset have like around 10 seconds in between casts so it is not daggerstorm steal daggerstorm, wouldn't have been so bad, but now they now nerfed it for pvp and it feels like huge buff for pve since you are not locked in animation.

    10s cd on daggerstorm is fine? :joy::joy::joy::joy::joy::joy::joy::joy::joy::joy::joy::joy::joy::joy::joy::joy:
    Can mesmer distortion to be 10s as well ?
    I dont see how its buff in pve, they use elite venom for heavy CC.
    They need to change improv to not recharge it, ever, not nerf DS.

    Are you really comparing mesmer sustain to thief sustain?

    I didnt compare anything, if he think 4s evade-dps mode is fine, just invul for ~1-3s avg is would be pretty fair.
    Its been calculated that core s/d thief has highest evasion uptime compared to weaver and UNNERFED mirage with 1s MC, now mesmer evasion is faaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaar behind. Not sure why you brought it here, even Sind said DS shouldnt be recharged by improv and there is nothing "skilled" about it this elite, want to argue with him as well ?

    I don't give a kitten what Sindrener says lmao

    If you nerf DS then you nerf the only thing that keeps thief actually playable in top end PvP and basically relegates to a literal decap bot which ironically is the only reason it's in PvP at the moment is it's decapping potential anyway , not double DS btw.

    If you actually knew thief, you'd know this.

    I dont care what you think what keeps thief viable or not. All I care about is stupid interaction between DS and improv to RANDOMLY recharge it.
    O, want an example ? Chrono with a scepter 3, that was the only thing that kept it viable, but oh nooooooooo, it was over-nerfed even more than it was before the buff,that wasnt popular at all and only one team ever brought it in mAT and nobody else. If you still dont get it -> they dont care if its keep X class viable or not, they just nerf it if they feel like it.

    Thief is not in matches for double DS from improv so it's not as broken as you think, this is the point you seem to keep missing. It's in PvP matches right now because it's decapping power, mobility and 1up pressure potential. The only reason.

    You could essentially nerf improv and drop double DS and it will still be in matches ruining your day as a mesmer because it's your natural counter.

    Again, clueless about thief.

    You are the only one who is clueless. Even the best thief in the game that is far more intelligent than 99.9% of the forum said himself that is broken but hey you know better than anyone apparently :joy:
    Cba to argue with stubborn delusional people, wont respond to you,ever.

    What? He never said ds was fair or that improv is balanced at recharging ds, we all know its busted but that is also why everyone uses it, it's too good not to take it. bv is only good I'd say for the break bar on lord lol.

    Let me quote him

    Thief is not in matches for double DS from improv so it's not as broken as you think

    Now, get out of here

    Where did he say it's fine? I just said we all know it's broken lol.

    1 guy said a good thing up about improv not proccing elite and heal, but it is what it is.

  • DoomNexus.5324DoomNexus.5324 Member ✭✭✭

    @aymnad.9023 said:
    Quite sure that's what it means. 3s of daggerstorm invulnerability instead of 4.

    Evade.. Pls use the correct terms.. there's a huge difference between invul and evade and that's exactly the reason why dagger storm doesn't prevent point capture for example.

  • Alatar.7364Alatar.7364 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited July 15, 2019

    @Fat Disgrace.4275 said:

    @Crab Fear.1624 said:

    @Shade.8971 said:
    What did thief get in return? Useless traitline changes for troll builds and new utilities that can't compete with meta utilities.

    Well, I have faith in the portal skill.

    Cant really think of any reason to use a 1 way 5 person portal in spvp.

    Its actually one way two person portal.
    Thief + one ally

    ~ I Aear cân ven na mar

  • Fat Disgrace.4275Fat Disgrace.4275 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Alatar.7364 said:

    @Fat Disgrace.4275 said:

    @Crab Fear.1624 said:

    @Shade.8971 said:
    What did thief get in return? Useless traitline changes for troll builds and new utilities that can't compete with meta utilities.

    Well, I have faith in the portal skill.

    Cant really think of any reason to use a 1 way 5 person portal in spvp.

    Its actually one way two person portal.
    Thief + one ally

    Ah yeah. Spvp version.

  • Crab Fear.1624Crab Fear.1624 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited July 15, 2019

    @Fat Disgrace.4275 said:

    @Crab Fear.1624 said:

    @Shade.8971 said:
    What did thief get in return? Useless traitline changes for troll builds and new utilities that can't compete with meta utilities.

    Well, I have faith in the portal skill.

    What are you going to drop for that though, every 1 uses signet of agility and shadow step, that leaves the 3rd for roll for ini/blinding powder/bandits defence.

    Cant really think of any reason to use a 1 way 5 person portal in spvp.

    I have been playing acro DD staff with escapist fortitude without signet. I normally carry rfi, shadow, and bandit.

    On that kit I would probably drop bandit or rfi.

    If portal is a stun break then no problem.

    Even faster travel makes sense If theif is supposed to be an ultimate decapist and plus one player,

    I can see some scenarios where this skill might have some potential, also it can at least duo-portal, can't have five-man portal in ranked that's OP.

    Soon™ ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

    Thief is my obsession.

  • Azure The Heartless.3261Azure The Heartless.3261 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited July 15, 2019

    @Fat Disgrace.4275 said:
    Cant really think of any reason to use a 1 way 5 person portal in spvp.

    To take the big hunky warrior back with you to far once the opposing necro with no LF thinks its okay to stand there.
    To rescue that trouble guard by porting him to top of clocktower
    Instant decap

    [Charr Noises]
    [Plays every class]
    [JUST GIT EVEN GUDDER ITS FINE]

  • Dahkeus.8243Dahkeus.8243 Member ✭✭✭

    @Shade.8971 said:
    What did thief get in return? Useless traitline changes for troll builds and new utilities that can't compete with meta utilities.

    Balance patches don't need to be quid pro quo. The change to make Daggerstorm evade was a kitten change that made all thief builds into troll builds since it's 4 where a thief can sit around invincible, AoEing down everyone nearby without pressing a single button on their keyboard. Problems with thief also have nothing to do with Daggerstorm since the class was in a better place long before Daggerstorm ever became an evade compared to where they are now.

  • aymnad.9023aymnad.9023 Member ✭✭
    edited July 15, 2019

    @DoomNexus.5324 said:

    @aymnad.9023 said:
    Quite sure that's what it means. 3s of daggerstorm invulnerability instead of 4.

    Evade.. Pls use the correct terms.. there's a huge difference between invul and evade and that's exactly the reason why dagger storm doesn't prevent point capture for example.

    Hum true. Did edit it. Still comes pretty close if you ask me. (the skill does so much)

  • Crab Fear.1624Crab Fear.1624 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Azure The Heartless.3261 said:

    @Fat Disgrace.4275 said:
    Cant really think of any reason to use a 1 way 5 person portal in spvp.

    To take the big hunky warrior back with you to far once the opposing necro with no LF thinks its okay to stand there.
    To rescue that trouble guard by porting him to top of clocktower
    Instant decap

    see? someone can see the potential. thank you.

    Soon™ ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

    Thief is my obsession.

  • praqtos.9035praqtos.9035 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Crab Fear.1624 said:

    @Azure The Heartless.3261 said:

    @Fat Disgrace.4275 said:
    Cant really think of any reason to use a 1 way 5 person portal in spvp.

    To take the big hunky warrior back with you to far once the opposing necro with no LF thinks its okay to stand there.
    To rescue that trouble guard by porting him to top of clocktower
    Instant decap

    see? someone can see the potential. thank you.

    Surprise boulders from nowhere.Depends on the cd as well

  • @praqtos.9035 said:

    @Crab Fear.1624 said:

    @Azure The Heartless.3261 said:

    @Fat Disgrace.4275 said:
    Cant really think of any reason to use a 1 way 5 person portal in spvp.

    To take the big hunky warrior back with you to far once the opposing necro with no LF thinks its okay to stand there.
    To rescue that trouble guard by porting him to top of clocktower
    Instant decap

    see? someone can see the potential. thank you.

    Surprise boulders from nowhere.Depends on the cd as well

    Lmfao

    Precast rampage

    go through portal

    Stealth rampage opener

    [Charr Noises]
    [Plays every class]
    [JUST GIT EVEN GUDDER ITS FINE]

  • Swagg.9236Swagg.9236 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Elxdark.9702 said:
    The problem is not the skill itself, it's an elite with 90s cd it has to be good or at least worth to use it.
    The real problem is that it gets reset by improv and that's super broken, improv shouldn't restore elite/heals period. I wish I had my vod where in one of my matches improv procs DS 7 times lol

    The problem is absolutely the skill itself. It's the same as any other cornerstone of a brainlet PvE rotation which has made it into the GW2 PvP metagame. Overcommitted because the rest of your "haha, I'm going to attack but not take any damage or feel any control effects" CDs ran out? Press this extra one to escape or keep doing damage regardless of what opponents feel like doing. Every class follows this paradigm, and every single example is equally bad. They all feature an oppressively low skill ceiling and a near-identical play-style regardless of how effective one counters any other.

  • ZhouX.8742ZhouX.8742 Member ✭✭✭

    improv shouldn't affect elite, is the only problem with it

  • I noticed a warrior charged me and stunned me while already mid DS and no idea how I didn't evade it. I know choking gas and similar skills can interrupt with it but another situation was a fellow thief used shadow shot then dodged and still got the teleport but I thought shadow shot had to HIT to make you port