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@Fat Disgrace.4275 said:

@"Vancho.8750" said:Pretty sure people had issue only when it went of twice in a row and that thief could deny caps with it. If they made the reset have like around 10 seconds in between casts so it is not daggerstorm steal daggerstorm, wouldn't have been so bad, but now they now nerfed it for pvp and it feels like huge buff for pve since you are not locked in animation.10s cd on daggerstorm is fine? :joy: :joy: :joy: :joy: :joy: :joy: :joy: :joy: :joy: :joy: :joy: :joy: :joy: :joy: :joy: :joy:Can mesmer distortion to be 10s as well ?I dont see how its buff in pve, they use elite venom for heavy CC.They need to change improv to not recharge it, ever, not nerf DS.

Are you really comparing mesmer sustain to thief sustain?I didnt compare anything, if he think 4s evade-dps mode is fine, just invul for ~1-3s avg is would be pretty fair.Its been calculated that core s/d thief has highest evasion uptime compared to weaver and UNNERFED mirage with 1s MC, now mesmer evasion is faaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaar behind. Not sure why you brought it here, even Sind said DS shouldnt be recharged by improv and there is nothing "skilled" about it this elite, want to argue with him as well ?

I don't give a kitten what Sindrener says lmao

If you nerf DS then you nerf the only thing that keeps thief actually playable in top end PvP and basically relegates to a literal decap bot which ironically is the only reason it's in PvP at the moment is it's decapping potential anyway , not double DS btw.

If you actually knew thief, you'd know this.I dont care what you think what keeps thief viable or not. All I care about is stupid interaction between DS and improv to RANDOMLY recharge it.O, want an example ? Chrono with a scepter 3, that was the only thing that kept it viable, but oh nooooooooo, it was over-nerfed even more than it was before the buff,that wasnt popular at all and only one team ever brought it in mAT and nobody else. If you still dont get it -> they dont care if its keep X class viable or not, they just nerf it if they feel like it.

Thief is not in matches for double DS from improv so it's not as broken as you think, this is the point you seem to keep missing. It's in PvP matches right now because it's decapping power, mobility and 1up pressure potential. The only reason.

You could essentially nerf improv and drop double DS and it will still be in matches ruining your day as a mesmer because it's your natural counter.

Again, clueless about thief.

You are the only one who is clueless. Even the best thief in the game that is far more intelligent than 99.9% of the forum said himself that is broken but hey you know better than anyone apparently :joy:Cba to argue with stubborn delusional people, wont respond to you,ever.

What? He never said ds was fair or that improv is balanced at recharging ds, we all know its busted but that is also why everyone uses it, it's too good not to take it. bv is only good I'd say for the break bar on lord lol.

Let me quote him

Thief is not in matches for double DS from improv so it's not as broken as you thinkNow, get out of here

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@praqtos.9035 said:

@"Vancho.8750" said:Pretty sure people had issue only when it went of twice in a row and that thief could deny caps with it. If they made the reset have like around 10 seconds in between casts so it is not daggerstorm steal daggerstorm, wouldn't have been so bad, but now they now nerfed it for pvp and it feels like huge buff for pve since you are not locked in animation.10s cd on daggerstorm is fine? :joy: :joy: :joy: :joy: :joy: :joy: :joy: :joy: :joy: :joy: :joy: :joy: :joy: :joy: :joy: :joy:Can mesmer distortion to be 10s as well ?I dont see how its buff in pve, they use elite venom for heavy CC.They need to change improv to not recharge it, ever, not nerf DS.

Are you really comparing mesmer sustain to thief sustain?I didnt compare anything, if he think 4s evade-dps mode is fine, just invul for ~1-3s avg is would be pretty fair.Its been calculated that core s/d thief has highest evasion uptime compared to weaver and UNNERFED mirage with 1s MC, now mesmer evasion is faaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaar behind. Not sure why you brought it here, even Sind said DS shouldnt be recharged by improv and there is nothing "skilled" about it this elite, want to argue with him as well ?

I don't give a kitten what Sindrener says lmao

If you nerf DS then you nerf the only thing that keeps thief actually playable in top end PvP and basically relegates to a literal decap bot which ironically is the only reason it's in PvP at the moment is it's decapping potential anyway , not double DS btw.

If you actually knew thief, you'd know this.I dont care what you think what keeps thief viable or not. All I care about is stupid interaction between DS and improv to RANDOMLY recharge it.O, want an example ? Chrono with a scepter 3, that was the only thing that kept it viable, but oh nooooooooo, it was over-nerfed even more than it was before the buff,that wasnt popular at all and only one team ever brought it in mAT and nobody else. If you still dont get it -> they dont care if its keep X class viable or not, they just nerf it if they feel like it.

Thief is not in matches for double DS from improv so it's not as broken as you think, this is the point you seem to keep missing. It's in PvP matches right now because it's decapping power, mobility and 1up pressure potential. The only reason.

You could essentially nerf improv and drop double DS and it will still be in matches ruining your day as a mesmer because it's your natural counter.

Again, clueless about thief.

You are the only one who is clueless. Even the best thief in the game that is far more intelligent than 99.9% of the forum said himself that is broken but hey you know better than anyone apparently :joy:Cba to argue with stubborn delusional people, wont respond to you,ever.

What? He never said ds was fair or that improv is balanced at recharging ds, we all know its busted but that is also why everyone uses it, it's too good not to take it. bv is only good I'd say for the break bar on lord lol.

Let me quote him

Thief is not in matches for double DS from improv
so it's not as broken as you think
Now, get out of here

Where did he say it's fine? I just said we all know it's broken lol.

1 guy said a good thing up about improv not proccing elite and heal, but it is what it is.

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@Fat Disgrace.4275 said:

@Shade.8971 said:What did thief get in return? Useless traitline changes for troll builds and new utilities that can't compete with meta utilities.

Well, I have faith in the portal skill.

Cant really think of any reason to use a 1 way 5 person portal in spvp.

Its actually one way two person portal.Thief + one ally

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@Alatar.7364 said:

@Shade.8971 said:What did thief get in return? Useless traitline changes for troll builds and new utilities that can't compete with meta utilities.

Well, I have faith in the portal skill.

Cant really think of any reason to use a 1 way 5 person portal in spvp.

Its actually one way two person portal.Thief + one ally

Ah yeah. Spvp version.

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@Fat Disgrace.4275 said:

@Shade.8971 said:What did thief get in return? Useless traitline changes for troll builds and new utilities that can't compete with meta utilities.

Well, I have faith in the portal skill.

What are you going to drop for that though, every 1 uses signet of agility and shadow step, that leaves the 3rd for roll for ini/blinding powder/bandits defence.

Cant really think of any reason to use a 1 way 5 person portal in spvp.

I have been playing acro DD staff with escapist fortitude without signet. I normally carry rfi, shadow, and bandit.

On that kit I would probably drop bandit or rfi.

If portal is a stun break then no problem.

Even faster travel makes sense If theif is supposed to be an ultimate decapist and plus one player,

I can see some scenarios where this skill might have some potential, also it can at least duo-portal, can't have five-man portal in ranked that's OP.

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@Shade.8971 said:What did thief get in return? Useless traitline changes for troll builds and new utilities that can't compete with meta utilities.

Balance patches don't need to be quid pro quo. The change to make Daggerstorm evade was a shit change that made all thief builds into troll builds since it's 4 where a thief can sit around invincible, AoEing down everyone nearby without pressing a single button on their keyboard. Problems with thief also have nothing to do with Daggerstorm since the class was in a better place long before Daggerstorm ever became an evade compared to where they are now.

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@DoomNexus.5324 said:

@aymnad.9023 said:Quite sure that's what it means. 3s of daggerstorm invulnerability instead of 4.
Evade
.. Pls use the correct terms.. there's a huge difference between invul and evade and that's exactly the reason why dagger storm doesn't prevent point capture for example.

Hum true. Did edit it. Still comes pretty close if you ask me. (the skill does so much)

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@Azure The Heartless.3261 said:

@Fat Disgrace.4275 said:Cant really think of any reason to use a 1 way 5 person portal in spvp.

To take the big hunky warrior back with you to far once the opposing necro with no LF thinks its okay to stand there.To rescue that trouble guard by porting him to top of clocktowerInstant decap

see? someone can see the potential. thank you.

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@Crab Fear.1624 said:

@Fat Disgrace.4275 said:Cant really think of any reason to use a 1 way 5 person portal in spvp.

To take the big hunky warrior back with you to far once the opposing necro with no LF thinks its okay to stand there.To rescue that trouble guard by porting him to top of clocktowerInstant decap

see? someone can see the potential. thank you.Surprise boulders from nowhere.Depends on the cd as well
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@praqtos.9035 said:

@Fat Disgrace.4275 said:Cant really think of any reason to use a 1 way 5 person portal in spvp.

To take the big hunky warrior back with you to far once the opposing necro with no LF thinks its okay to stand there.To rescue that trouble guard by porting him to top of clocktowerInstant decap

see? someone can see the potential. thank you.Surprise boulders from nowhere.Depends on the cd as well

Lmfao

Precast rampage

go through portal

Stealth rampage opener

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@"Elxdark.9702" said:The problem is not the skill itself, it's an elite with 90s cd it has to be good or at least worth to use it.The real problem is that it gets reset by improv and that's super broken, improv shouldn't restore elite/heals period. I wish I had my vod where in one of my matches improv procs DS 7 times lol

The problem is absolutely the skill itself. It's the same as any other cornerstone of a brainlet PvE rotation which has made it into the GW2 PvP metagame. Overcommitted because the rest of your "haha, I'm going to attack but not take any damage or feel any control effects" CDs ran out? Press this extra one to escape or keep doing damage regardless of what opponents feel like doing. Every class follows this paradigm, and every single example is equally bad. They all feature an oppressively low skill ceiling and a near-identical play-style regardless of how effective one counters any other.

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