Havoc Specialist is one of the worst designed traits

[Crystal Black.8190]

A trait that makes you want to not be supported is bad design. It is the only trait i know which results in a bad outcome for you if other players support you. If anyone refills your endurance you need to deplete it again. Guildwars is about playing together and this trait just feels completely against that.

[BoxHat.1824]

Not to mention it directly conflicts with a minor trait in the same spec-restore 50 endurance on steal effectively becomes a 5% damage loss

[Sobx.1758]

I disagree, especially when it's in a dd spec tree.

[Crystal Black.8190]

@Sobx.1758 said:I disagree, especially when it's in a dd spec tree.

What has that to do with it? DD should be punished for being supported?

[Crab Fear.1624]

@Sobx.1758 said:I disagree, especially when it's in a dd spec tree.

What does this mean?

[Sobx.1758]

It means that you can burn your dodges for more bonus dmg with additional effects and it's not really a problem like you try to make it seem to be.

[Psycoprophet.8107]

Whole DD lines sub par except it gives u cool dodges.

[Crystal Black.8190]

@Sobx.1758 said:It means that you can burn your dodges for more bonus dmg with additional effects and it's not really a problem like you try to make it seem to be.

I think you don't get the topic. Needing to dodge to keep the damage is not the problem. The problem is that other players can interfere and refill it, even if you don't want to. A game mechanic that is supposed to be beneficial and helpful suddenly becomes an annoyance, if you pick the trait.

[Sobx.1758]

@Crystal Black.8190 said:

@Sobx.1758 said:It means that you can burn your dodges for more bonus dmg with additional effects and it's not really a problem like you try to make it seem to be.

I think you don't get the topic. Needing to dodge to keep the damage is not the problem. The problem is that other players can interfere and refill it, even if you don't want to. A game mechanic that is supposed to be beneficial and helpful suddenly becomes an annoyance, if you pick the trait.

So pick your traits accordingly to the situation you'll be using them in. Then play to utilize them correctly. Nothing about this trait is problematic imo. Refilling it also won't be a problem, because you can easly lose it on demand. And if you can't... well, back to the start: pick accordingly.

[Yasai.3549]

@Sobx.1758 said:It means that you can burn your dodges for more bonus dmg with additional effects and it's not really a problem like you try to make it seem to be.

In theory, more endurance = more Bounding/Lotus = more damage.

In practice, more endurance = I seriously have to dodge RIGHT NOW and break my AA chain to keep damage?

Yea Havoc is pretty bad.

Change it to deal 3% more Condi and Damage per stack, gain a stack for 7 seconds after a dodge.

[Sobx.1758]

@Yasai.3549 said:

@"Sobx.1758" said:It means that you can burn your dodges for more bonus dmg with additional effects and it's not really a problem like you try to make it seem to be.

In theory, more endurance = more Bounding/Lotus = more damage.

In practice, more endurance = I seriously have to dodge RIGHT NOW and break my AA chain to keep damage?

Yea Havoc is pretty bad.

Change it to deal 3% more Condi and Damage per stack, gain a stack for 7 seconds after a dodge.

Ah, the "whatever, just buff my kitten" approach, my favorite. :D

[Crystal Black.8190]

@Yasai.3549 said:

@Sobx.1758 said:It means that you can burn your dodges for more bonus dmg with additional effects and it's not really a problem like you try to make it seem to be.

In theory, more endurance = more Bounding/Lotus = more damage.

In practice, more endurance = I seriously have to dodge RIGHT NOW and break my AA chain to keep damage?

Yea Havoc is pretty bad.

Change it to deal 3% more Condi and Damage per stack, gain a stack for 7 seconds after a dodge.

That would probably be too similar to the grandmaster traits. I would just reverse it. Gain bonus damage and condition damage the more endurance you have. Or remove it and add a condition enhancing option. All of the traits on master focus on power damage, there is no option for condition builds.

[Blood Red Arachnid.2493]

And that is why I stick with Staff Mastery. I'd rather have a lower bonus that is consistent and constructive than a bonus that is inconsistent and conflicts with common sense play.