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That sucks and all, but you can't put a class in a PvP mode that let's you play at 100% while inputting like zero inputs. Why play literally any other class when there's one where you press one button and deal more damage than most other classes when played by the sweatiest try hard there is? There have always been low intensity builds in the PvP modes in this game. They just had weaknesses to support the fact that they require very very few inputs to be played at 100%. Mech was busted, it couldn't stay where it was.

I agree, axe 5 nerf makes no sense.

If you have to OoC to win a fight, you didn't win the fight. Do it all you want, but definitely don't feel proud about it unless it was some crazy 1vX.

Oh my, a variant of one shot sic'em soulbeast! No one has ever tried this before! It's a meme build. Yes. Ranger is broken in very many ways. No, this build is not going to be the death of WvW. Tons of people run things exactly like this, and have been for years. There are very many ways to counter this build, from dodges to invulns. Nothing in this build is new, it's stuff people have been doing for years. Many classes have their own one shot builds, and they are equally as meme as this one. This one probably does have more survivability than others, but they all share the same weakness. If your one shot fails, you get owned. You need to face bad players for this to be most effective. You can forget about any kind of 1vX against anyone who isn't effectively AFK in the brain. Just like with every other one shot build. And before you find your next "discovery", yes, Nornbear ranger is a thing everyone knows about too. As well as immob condi druid.

Yes, that's why Crowfall died. Not because the millions of failures the developers made with that game. But because of support classes. Because there clearly never RvR games before Crowfall, and they certainly didn't have dedicated support classes. WvW definitely wasn't inspired by them either, no matter what the devs say. In your head, WvW is something that it isn't. It's not just a roamers paradise. It's not just randos getting together in a big CF and having at it. The games that started this type of MMO, where created around comped play, just like GW2. You aren't losing to minstrels, you are losing to comped groups. If minstrels was removed from the game nothing would change. Minstrels isn't why these groups win, being comped and good at the game is why they win.

Actually, most of the places you can't teleport are the ones that are bugged. Blinking up cliffs and walls is it working as designed. Weird no port spots are generally the bug. Things like rocks, half of SMC, all that good stuff, is the bug.

Well then, I think that solves the mystery of how the player was dodging it then.

Even though you are stealth, a lot of skills are still visible to enemies. It's how you can track people who are invisible. For example, engies toolkit stealth elixer has what looks like a little puff of smoke when they use it stealth. You can look for hints like this to find and guess where a stealth enemy is heading or is. With thieves, if you are quick enough, you can see and get into their pistol 5 and get them to hit you to reveal themselves. There's a lot of tricks with dealing with stealthed enemies. Now, I haven't tested it and really can't be bothered to bother someone to help me with this, but perhaps scorpion wire has a visible tell while you are invisible? I've played a lot of WvW in my time, and the only cheating from using third party tools I've seen is, A) the infamous duo who was porting into towers and capping them, and B) Scourge bots that just run a path around red BL at night, attacking sentries and camps. In FPS games there used to be a joke that the hardest player to shoot is someone who doesn't know they are being shot at. Theoretically, it should be an easy shot, they aren't expecting it, yet somehow they move in the most unpredictable way making them incredibly hard to shoot. With my time in WvW, I can say the same is pretty accurate here. Someone who doesn't know a backstab, pull, moa, etc is coming, is almost impossible to hit with them. I've never seen anyone expertly dodge a backstab better than a random player who doesn't know they are about to get hit for 20k on no downstate week. I've never seen someone dodge a moa better than a player that didn't see the scrapper invis the Mesmer that's going to moa them. Sometimes it's just dumb luck they dodged something. At this point, people have been dealing with thieves for so long they have a feel for how much stealth you have, and about how long until they try something when invisible. Maybe they are expecting a backstab, and felt it was a good time to dodge for a backstab, only you used a pull instead. Maybe wire has a visible tell. Maybe you didn't realize they had stability or aegis and you hit them with it, but it was ineffective. Whatever it is, the answer is almost certainly not "they where cheating". If that was the case, the top PvP players would all know about this "dodge every CC hack", likely be using it, and someone would have spilled the beans about it by now. Now, I'm no top PvPer, but some of my friends are. I've had people tell me about all sorts of exploits in this game. All the biggest drama about such and such win trading, such and such doing this rule breaking thing. Never once have I heard anyone mention a "dodge CC" hack. People who are really good at this game, look at things in a way you might not. Know things about this game that you might not. There are interactions with different skills that you might have no idea about. I've had questions for friends on stuff that seemed sketchy, how they could always do something, or counter something every single time without fail. Usually it's just an exploitable (not as in cheating exploit) weakness of the skill. For example, a warrior can counter another warriors bullscharge, by just using bullscharge after they do. The answer is probably a lot more simple than "hacks".

The caps are around 70 per server. You have the same amount of people on your map, the other servers are just working more united than yours is.

Nah he just has a DX Racer chair.

Thanks alot for your input! Few quick questions: Which weapons do warriors generally use? Or Dragonhunters? Do reapers go berserker stats with the greatsword for melee cleave, or whats the general consensus? Do weavers use staff, or is there a better alternative? Thanks! Warriors are generally heal spec and use sword/warhorn, and hammer for CC/boonstrip. Guardian use Staff scepter/ then offhand can be shield, focus, or torch, or staff GS if you are doing a lot of melee hits. Depends on the Reaper. If I'm running a more comfy build, or just not taking much damage, I'll run zerk, otherwise I'll run marauders. Greatsword staff, or GS axe focus. Staff for weaver I think. I don't know much about them, as I don't care for ele so never really looked their builds up.

Warrior is mostly boon strip and secondary healer. Guardian is primary stab, DH and core is DPS. All DPS are power, as condi is mostly useless against any organized group. Rev is hammer, and brings useful utility with dwarf. Thief and Ranger are mostly useless, yeah. There are some builds where they can find use, thief more so for small scale, and ranger have more viable builds for large scale, but generally you are better off taking something else. Scrapper is main cleanse and PBAoE damage. The condis they cleanse turn into boons, so even trash condis are good for them to cleanse. Necro was good for it's boonstrip and damage, but the nerfs to Scourge are kinda bringing them down from that. They aren't awful, but the average Scourge just isn't great. Reaper is good for melee hits. Mesmer is good for boon strip, but not good enough that you want more than like 1 or 2. Generally you'll see a commander be the Mesmer, and maybe one other person. They do insane strips, but that's about it. That plus their pulls make them really good commanders. Tempest makes for a good cleanser, but scrapper is inherently better since tempest don't convert condis into boons. They can cleanse a ton of condis though. Weaver can dish out a lot of damage, but it's delayed damage so against mobile groups it can be hit or miss. They also die really easily, so generally there are better classes to pick. For the last question, yes, power guard is better then Scourge in basically every way. It can throw down about the same amount of AoEs, only all of them hit for a ton of damage.

Stopped reading at "Warrior doesn't have any use in WvW." It's damn near the most important class.

Forgot how your skills work, didn't you?

The reason people didn't like it was because it was a huge benefit to blobs, This change makes it a defensive tool so helps out more against blobs than anything. You can no longer take the banner from a tower to defend your keep. This is too much, they killed it.What should be done is to decrease the damage of the DB in uncontrolled areasAnd with that same logic, they can no longer take a banner from their tower to attack your keep. However, you can still put banners in keeps to help defend them. This is not a nerf to the little guy. Defenders are the only ones with banners 100% of the time now. There is no snowball effect of attackers gaining access to more and more banners as they capture the map, increasing their attacking power as they capture and hold more. Now you can only use them for defense. This is a massive buff to defending teams. Anyways, there's not many times when you would really have access to many banners to defend things anyways. Generally, when a keep is going to be hit, multiple towers go down first. If you have no towers, you have no extra banners. Banners until now have always favored the dominating side, which is why they where busted. They are a force multiplier designed for defense, but instead where being used for offense. The more towers you have, the more access to banners you had. The more banners you had, the less relevant it was when one went down. Sure, you only have one on demand banner now, but the attackers will never have more than 0, no matter how many towers, keeps, or castles they own.

And then what, all soft CC has absolutely no counter?

It's a glass thief. I can regularly hit 17k+ backstabs on other glass characters on mine. The builds are very one dimensional. They really only work against people who don't know how to fight thief, or are entirely unaware. Granted, I don't run stealth on mine so everyone can see me coming, but it's set up to do one big hit, and that's about it.

It's not so much that a single banner makes a group unbeatable, or a fight impossible. The problem is it's a massive force multiplier, as it was designed to be. It's incredibly easy for a banner to put out over a million damage in an incredibly short engagement, generally an order of magnitude higher than anyone else in the group. They have access to incredibly high amounts of CC, many times overshadowing what the rest of the group has, not to mention what any single person has. Again, this is by design, it's entire purpose is for a small group to be able to hold off a bigger group. The problem come when groups are now stacking multiple banners, on top of already being the dominate force. If there's a choke, it's literally impassible, even in open field fights, pushes can be impossible. So sure, a 40 man vs a 40 man with one banner isn't a massive deal, however, a 60+ map queue with 4+ banners is an entirely different story. You have 4 players basically playing with hacks on, in the middle of an already massive force. None of them have to be particularly amazing with the banner in order for it to just make it pure cancer. Perhaps if the rest of the game mode was designed in a way for a team building up to what effectively is nuclear weapons, with strong options for counter play in the form of being able to prevent them from obtaining them without needing an even bigger force than they have, then clearly overpowered things could be an interesting mechanic that punishes teams that don't pay attention. However, as it stands now, the team with the most players just puts banners on literally every structure, then uses those banners and players to hold and capture more structures, for more banners, etc etc etc. As Tiff said, snowballs.

Idk, I am a little dubious when it comes to things like this, as companies will bend the truth about something to not do it. Look at the request for dyeable backpacks, 'not possible!' Which was said many times... low and behold it was possible all along. I'd also love to see this said extent of armour clipping as well if it was done. If there are tiny clippings, so what? you have hundreds of combinations now... what truely is horrible to see is those glowball infusion monkies. If someone has screenshots of two armour weights mixed together I'd love to see it. Makes me wonder if a dataminer has rigged the armours on a skin to preview them mixed. I mean it's a program. Everything is "possible". It's possible that GW2 could run on any engine. It's possible that each map could be 50 times larger than it is now. It's possible that GW2 could have the most advanced raytracing ever seen in a game. When devs say something isn't "possible", what they mean is it's not something that can just be done without extra work. Old back pieces aren't made in a way that let's them be dyed. Their current engine is capable of doing it, their artists have they ability to make it happen, but it would require going back and remaking the assets required for it happen. It's not just some checkbox they enable somewhere that allows it to happen, it takes development time to make it happen. Most of the other armor weights would probably line up fine with other ones. The problem is not all of them would. Part of the issue is the limitation was a design choice. They didn't want warriors running around in robes, they didn't want necros running around in plated armor. They went back on this decision with outfits, but it was after they designed armors knowing this limitation was already in place. There's also the possibility that the current system is just hard coded in a way that armor classes are that armor class. You can transmute any heavy armor as another, cause the game just accepts they are both heavy armors and makes a new armor piece with stats it's accepts. It might be set up in a way where there would be a conflict if it was a different armor weight. For example, it tries to make a light armor that has the stats of heavy armor, and it just wasn't designed in a way to let this happen. Now I'm not sure this is how it works, only a guess, but would explain why armor rewards that unlock all three weight classes give you three items usually. This would explain why they don't just let it happen, clipping and seam issues be damned. It would require fixing the backend, which would put it in the same category as letting all back pieces be dyed. Development time they would rather put somewhere else. Could it be done? Absolutely. Everything you can think of can be done. All armors could be something you could transmute. All back pieces could be dyed. A new engine could be made, DX12, raytracing, big seamless world, any feature at all. Like I said, it's a program, literally nothing is impossible. The problem comes down to how easily things could be implemented, and how much they value putting the development time into making it happen. For right now, they just don't value putting the time into making it happen as worth while. There's new LWSs being made, a new expansion being made, I doubt they want to take people off these things to "fix" something that's worked the way from the start, that really wouldn't make anything better if they changed it. Maybe someday they will have the development time to spare to make it happen, but it's not going to be today.

Google Stadia will launch it's "base" subscription next year... It's completely free. Allows you to stream at 1080p at 60fps, which is far better than my PC can handle, and at a better price than upgrading. Keep in mind, that is the stream quality, not necessarily the games quality. If Anet where to ever port GW2, it would likely not be a locked 60 FPS. Certain things, like WvW, would still be low FPS.

Yeah maybe stop acting like you a fight sever then and do some ppt instead of hoping the server you get linked with will. I mean if fighting Mag this week doesn't show you how far from a fight server you are the idk what will. The problem is we just don't have the people for PPT. I get it, we the big bad boogie mans. Indo came to town and put BG in their place, so now everyone has something to prove. However, the people that joined Indo on SBI, didn't really join to make SBI T1, or the best, or anything server pride related. They joined to play with Indo. Indo plays on three servers. SBI, FSP, and most importantly, EB. Our link ATM is, wait for it.... EB. That means that EB is effectively a dead server right now, since their "on paper" numbers are something like 50+ higher than they actually are. We get no coverage from EB, because that coverage is just SBI players in the first place. You need to keep in mind SBI was also a dead server before Indo came here. In order for us to PPT when the main bulk of the server isn't playing on SBI, we need something to fill the gaps. We don't have that with this link. We are generally outnumbered on EBG and the BLs outside of NA prime, where the other servers have at least something of a force. Last week was effectively TC sending a map queue to our keep, while 10 roamers held them off, from like 12am to about when Indo got back on. We have just enough people to half focus on not losing absolutely everything on one map. Also, your comment is logically incorrect. If we are a fight server, what the kitten does that have to do with PPT? Look at T1 right now, it's HoD and TC getting farmed by BG. Does that make them fight servers now? People who get one pushed and can't keep a positive KDR? We aren't in T3 cause we lost fights, we are in T3 cause we couldn't PPT. Listen dude Sbi was a bandwagon not a big bad boogie man. You got to stack and win for a bit no biggie happens 15 times over and over but the instant you start losing it was our links fault or this server dodging our zergs so yeah it just sounded sad. Then you were like but but our k/d so we a fight server not a ppt. You don't have to be a fight server to have a high K/d there are many ways making it absolutely no bearing on if you are good or not. Like Mag loses sometimes with a 1.6 or BG keeps there high cause night capping then good even coverage the rest of the day allowing them to defend t3 stuff and they also don't push yolo into garrys and ebg keeps putting a dent in it. Mag completely abandons their bl and farms 20 feet from smc all day again so K/D means nothing for the most part. Now you say you put BG in it's place I guess you mean BG w/o a link while you had one and were like 1st 2nd 3rd 1st 3rd in hours for the 5 timezones. Well done. No one even thinks of SBI I just don't like a 4 month bandwagon who then falls complaining over why you dropping tiers and only blames thier new link while they run around with a .8 k/d going but but ebay isn't ppt for us so now we losing. Funny hearing BG call another server a bandwagon, that's gold. I'm not blaming or complaining. I'm telling you how it is. Indo doesn't PPT, he wants fights. EK looks for fights. EP hardly even captures things, and mainly stays in the open fields. I don't know the inner workings of Sin, but it doesn't seem like they make much of an effort to PPT either. Dog is more of a SBI guild rather than something organized, and mainly only tags up to get roamers together. There you have it. You have basically all the guilds on SBI, and anything near organized is generally out looking exclusively for fights. EB has nothing to offer, because they are more dead than SBI was until Indo came back, and SBI was dead. You can talk all you want, we hit keeps. Don't you remember? You guys made a post here about just how unfair it was when we took and held your EBG keep. We don't shy away from them. The commanders we have are all veteran fight commanders. I know, you're sad cause they left BG, but it doesn't change the fact that these commanders focus on fights, not PPT, for a couple hours a night. Again, not complaining. It is how it is. No one's leaving the server, so I don't mind a bad link. Just if next time, come up with better excuses than some conspiracies about Anet employees and favoritism if we beat you again. I'm not Bg never have been just addressing the put BG in their place. Like everything you say is complaining but you say your not complaining. You just brought up how you are outnumbered like over the past couple months the other server weren't outnumbered by you. Maybe BG can borrow all your excuses the next thread they make. Don't worry you tech can't lose in t4 so the steak will end but to help you out to beat mag stay out of ebg and take their BL esp at NA prime Again, it's not complaining. It's what it is. Saying facts are not complaining. I'm not all that bothered by it, it's just what it is. People wanted to know why we where losing, and I said why. Complaining would be saying it negatively or wanting some change, I'm just saying what's going on. We have a couple hours during NA with coverage, we lost our PPT guilds with the link, and we are linked with ourselves, those are the facts. Also, why dodge NA prime? That's when SBI is active. Only cause you losing. Now you will lose to sos just because they nightcap you if you weak during the night/morning now Mag usually grabs smc and just farms the side that puts up a resistance or shows a zerg while allowing their entire BL to get capped and if you chose upgraded. You almost never earn positive points going zerg vs zerg against them. Maybe you guys can at that time but if you can't you gain way more off their BL then they can even farming ebg. Just advice as you need to adjust if winning matters so these excuses that are facts not complaining. I keep telling you no one cares about winning. You don't think Indo knows how to lock down a T1 victory? It would require calling people to PPT all day every day, and that's not what he's about. That's why it's not done. It's why he has multiple alts. He, like the other commanders we have, want fights, if there's none on SBI, then they swap to EU or their NA2 accounts. Everyone knows we need PPT and coverage if we want to stay up in the tiers, but no one joined this server to make SBI T1. Again, it's what it is. We go positive on Mag fights with our commanders, but that's not saying much. It's to be expected, and what should happen. Mag doesn't really have commanders, just lots of people playing on their own. No one's looking for advice on how to T1, no one's complaining about not being T1. Again, I'm just explaining to people who accuse us of intentionally tanking, dodging, or are just pain curious to what's going on, as to what's going on. If you don't care about winning and yes it's true most of us don't then no need to explain why you are dropping. Just be like AR Mag FA and say we looking for fites while avoiding server just like them. Just like AR tanked last day last week to stay in T2 as TC who has no business in T1 got played and how you see fight servers seem to try their best to drop into different tiers to farm weaker servers. Like right now if you cared about fights there is no way in hell you want to drop this week into t4. You want to stay in T3 and get FA next week and go toe to toe with them just like you say you are vs Mag but I can't confirm as no alts in t3. If fight server ie AR FA Mag and now you really wanted fights you'd try like hell to get into the same tier not find ways to avoid each other. Not you yet but kitten AR got last second tank mastered If people ask questions that I have the answer to, I'll answer them. It's not tanking or dodging, it's just no PPT. Simple as that. But why would we avoid fights when we want fights? You're putting this weird ego into my words that simply isn't there. You want me to be saying something that I'm not. Every commander on the server wants fights, not PPT. That's all it is. We aren't avoiding anyone. Indo is always looking for the enemy zerg, the smaller groups are always looking for enemy groups bigger than ours. I don't know where you are getting this idea that anyone is avoiding anyone. We aren't jumping maps to avoid zergs, we aren't shying from map queues. This is all made up by you, those are actively things the commanders are looking for. You don't seem to be able to separate when I talk about what other fight servers do and you even when I write their 3 names you still take it as you and your server so I'm good. I have no idea what you guys consistently do because you are the new bandwagon. You had a couple guilds were med pop then exploded to full with the smallest link because you were so full. I also think you must be parroting this thread to your discord as inspiration because you guys working overtime to ppt now. I'm not Mag btw and def won't feel sorry for them if you are so have fun. You keep saying we should avoid Mag and what we should do if we want to win. Everyone knows what to do if we want to win. Also, no, none of our guilds changed. People joined for Indo, not for SBI. DOG and Sin are SBIs guilds, DOG is more of a SBI social guild, they don't run organized groups and mostly just tag up to group pugs together to hit an objective real quick and tag down. Sin runs small mainly in borderlands, which is still exactly what they do. Yeah, Gis brought back EK now, but he came with Indo. EK generally runs 15-20 people, hard to call that massive either. The only big guild we have is TpW. You can jump right into TpW Discord and check for yourself. No one's talking about this thread. We had a bad reset, and a good weekend, still no focus on PPT, we just aren't getting hit with map queues swarming our stuff 24/7. No, I didn't say avoid Mag I said the easiest way to beat Mag is not playing in EBG fighting them because they leave their BL undefended. Sin runs 20 plus easy and yeah they usually go off on their own and were there before this population jump from again med to way full you get the smallest link. Dog struck me more as a annoying mid sized havoc group no idea if that's accurate.And the using this thread as inspiration was a joke as you ppt hard yesterday but you are the type that needs to address everything so it's my fault for throwing that in there. Again, we know how to beat them. Just cause we know how to be T1, doesn't mean that's how we want to play. And right here is take this advice yourself. The only reason I ever said anything to you is you initial BG is dodging us Hod uses siege. Just because you play a certain way doesn't mean servers have to play your style. If you want to be a fite server be one but don't state "facts" of why you drop tiers and shift blame to links. You either adjust if winning matters or lose to someone with a .7 going but but we won all the fites We aren't telling them to play a certain way. Again, you want me to be saying something I'm not. I'm saying us dropping out of T1 wasn't a problem for anyone, because the content was not fun. It's not about what I want the server to be about, it's about what the commanders are looking to accomplish when commanding. PPT is not their goal. No one cares about who wins a skirmish. You get literally nothing for it. T1, T4, T whatever makes literally no difference in anything. We care about fights, if the fights are boring, not there, or against a server who builds 30 ACs in open fields, then we don't care if we can't partake in them. I don't get why you keep lecturing me about winning and how to win. Again, SBI is currently full of veterans who have been playing since launch. Big names in WvW. They know how to win skirmishes. There's a reason they don't. Stop lecturing me about it. If you don't like me explaining the inner politics to people asking, here's a tip: Don't read my posts. We don't need your advice, we aren't trying to T1. We already know how to PPT if we wanted. You absolutely do not need to respond to me, so feel free to not do that. I didn't lecture you once. You are just full of excuses and blame and quite frankly whiney and repetitive. You say stuff then ask questions why avoid Mag etc so I answered. You brag of farming mag like it was you while still rocking a .9 with an sos that is good at nitecapping but not good fighters. I will no longer respond to your posts and again take your own advice and don't respond to mine instead of throwing a tantrumYou time and time again keep telling me what we need to do to win, when I said that's not the commanders goals. They know what to do. There's no excuses or blame. If your car caught fire and people went "omg why did you burn down your own car" is it blame and excuses to go "turns out there was a recall regarding the fuel injectors that I didn't know about"? Again you keep putting this meaning behind my words that aren't there. I'm bored, that's why I'm responding. You are the one who sees it as some massive problem because you want me to be saying something I'm not.

Is it really farming when you end up negative kdr? Well considering that skirmish had mag at something like .3, and us close to 3, yeah, it's farming. When Mags commanders are basically begging people to get out of the field cause they are ruining their KDR for the match, yeah, it's farming. When a single 1 hour bout drops your overall KDR by .5, yeah, it's farming.

Yeah maybe stop acting like you a fight sever then and do some ppt instead of hoping the server you get linked with will. I mean if fighting Mag this week doesn't show you how far from a fight server you are the idk what will. The problem is we just don't have the people for PPT. I get it, we the big bad boogie mans. Indo came to town and put BG in their place, so now everyone has something to prove. However, the people that joined Indo on SBI, didn't really join to make SBI T1, or the best, or anything server pride related. They joined to play with Indo. Indo plays on three servers. SBI, FSP, and most importantly, EB. Our link ATM is, wait for it.... EB. That means that EB is effectively a dead server right now, since their "on paper" numbers are something like 50+ higher than they actually are. We get no coverage from EB, because that coverage is just SBI players in the first place. You need to keep in mind SBI was also a dead server before Indo came here. In order for us to PPT when the main bulk of the server isn't playing on SBI, we need something to fill the gaps. We don't have that with this link. We are generally outnumbered on EBG and the BLs outside of NA prime, where the other servers have at least something of a force. Last week was effectively TC sending a map queue to our keep, while 10 roamers held them off, from like 12am to about when Indo got back on. We have just enough people to half focus on not losing absolutely everything on one map. Also, your comment is logically incorrect. If we are a fight server, what the kitten does that have to do with PPT? Look at T1 right now, it's HoD and TC getting farmed by BG. Does that make them fight servers now? People who get one pushed and can't keep a positive KDR? We aren't in T3 cause we lost fights, we are in T3 cause we couldn't PPT. Listen dude Sbi was a bandwagon not a big bad boogie man. You got to stack and win for a bit no biggie happens 15 times over and over but the instant you start losing it was our links fault or this server dodging our zergs so yeah it just sounded sad. Then you were like but but our k/d so we a fight server not a ppt. You don't have to be a fight server to have a high K/d there are many ways making it absolutely no bearing on if you are good or not. Like Mag loses sometimes with a 1.6 or BG keeps there high cause night capping then good even coverage the rest of the day allowing them to defend t3 stuff and they also don't push yolo into garrys and ebg keeps putting a dent in it. Mag completely abandons their bl and farms 20 feet from smc all day again so K/D means nothing for the most part. Now you say you put BG in it's place I guess you mean BG w/o a link while you had one and were like 1st 2nd 3rd 1st 3rd in hours for the 5 timezones. Well done. No one even thinks of SBI I just don't like a 4 month bandwagon who then falls complaining over why you dropping tiers and only blames thier new link while they run around with a .8 k/d going but but ebay isn't ppt for us so now we losing. Funny hearing BG call another server a bandwagon, that's gold. I'm not blaming or complaining. I'm telling you how it is. Indo doesn't PPT, he wants fights. EK looks for fights. EP hardly even captures things, and mainly stays in the open fields. I don't know the inner workings of Sin, but it doesn't seem like they make much of an effort to PPT either. Dog is more of a SBI guild rather than something organized, and mainly only tags up to get roamers together. There you have it. You have basically all the guilds on SBI, and anything near organized is generally out looking exclusively for fights. EB has nothing to offer, because they are more dead than SBI was until Indo came back, and SBI was dead. You can talk all you want, we hit keeps. Don't you remember? You guys made a post here about just how unfair it was when we took and held your EBG keep. We don't shy away from them. The commanders we have are all veteran fight commanders. I know, you're sad cause they left BG, but it doesn't change the fact that these commanders focus on fights, not PPT, for a couple hours a night. Again, not complaining. It is how it is. No one's leaving the server, so I don't mind a bad link. Just if next time, come up with better excuses than some conspiracies about Anet employees and favoritism if we beat you again. I'm not Bg never have been just addressing the put BG in their place. Like everything you say is complaining but you say your not complaining. You just brought up how you are outnumbered like over the past couple months the other server weren't outnumbered by you. Maybe BG can borrow all your excuses the next thread they make. Don't worry you tech can't lose in t4 so the steak will end but to help you out to beat mag stay out of ebg and take their BL esp at NA prime Again, it's not complaining. It's what it is. Saying facts are not complaining. I'm not all that bothered by it, it's just what it is. People wanted to know why we where losing, and I said why. Complaining would be saying it negatively or wanting some change, I'm just saying what's going on. We have a couple hours during NA with coverage, we lost our PPT guilds with the link, and we are linked with ourselves, those are the facts. Also, why dodge NA prime? That's when SBI is active. Only cause you losing. Now you will lose to sos just because they nightcap you if you weak during the night/morning now Mag usually grabs smc and just farms the side that puts up a resistance or shows a zerg while allowing their entire BL to get capped and if you chose upgraded. You almost never earn positive points going zerg vs zerg against them. Maybe you guys can at that time but if you can't you gain way more off their BL then they can even farming ebg. Just advice as you need to adjust if winning matters so these excuses that are facts not complaining. I keep telling you no one cares about winning. You don't think Indo knows how to lock down a T1 victory? It would require calling people to PPT all day every day, and that's not what he's about. That's why it's not done. It's why he has multiple alts. He, like the other commanders we have, want fights, if there's none on SBI, then they swap to EU or their NA2 accounts. Everyone knows we need PPT and coverage if we want to stay up in the tiers, but no one joined this server to make SBI T1. Again, it's what it is. We go positive on Mag fights with our commanders, but that's not saying much. It's to be expected, and what should happen. Mag doesn't really have commanders, just lots of people playing on their own. No one's looking for advice on how to T1, no one's complaining about not being T1. Again, I'm just explaining to people who accuse us of intentionally tanking, dodging, or are just pain curious to what's going on, as to what's going on. If you don't care about winning and yes it's true most of us don't then no need to explain why you are dropping. Just be like AR Mag FA and say we looking for fites while avoiding server just like them. Just like AR tanked last day last week to stay in T2 as TC who has no business in T1 got played and how you see fight servers seem to try their best to drop into different tiers to farm weaker servers. Like right now if you cared about fights there is no way in hell you want to drop this week into t4. You want to stay in T3 and get FA next week and go toe to toe with them just like you say you are vs Mag but I can't confirm as no alts in t3. If fight server ie AR FA Mag and now you really wanted fights you'd try like hell to get into the same tier not find ways to avoid each other. Not you yet but kitten AR got last second tank mastered If people ask questions that I have the answer to, I'll answer them. It's not tanking or dodging, it's just no PPT. Simple as that. But why would we avoid fights when we want fights? You're putting this weird ego into my words that simply isn't there. You want me to be saying something that I'm not. Every commander on the server wants fights, not PPT. That's all it is. We aren't avoiding anyone. Indo is always looking for the enemy zerg, the smaller groups are always looking for enemy groups bigger than ours. I don't know where you are getting this idea that anyone is avoiding anyone. We aren't jumping maps to avoid zergs, we aren't shying from map queues. This is all made up by you, those are actively things the commanders are looking for. You don't seem to be able to separate when I talk about what other fight servers do and you even when I write their 3 names you still take it as you and your server so I'm good. I have no idea what you guys consistently do because you are the new bandwagon. You had a couple guilds were med pop then exploded to full with the smallest link because you were so full. I also think you must be parroting this thread to your discord as inspiration because you guys working overtime to ppt now. I'm not Mag btw and def won't feel sorry for them if you are so have fun. You keep saying we should avoid Mag and what we should do if we want to win. Everyone knows what to do if we want to win. Also, no, none of our guilds changed. People joined for Indo, not for SBI. DOG and Sin are SBIs guilds, DOG is more of a SBI social guild, they don't run organized groups and mostly just tag up to group pugs together to hit an objective real quick and tag down. Sin runs small mainly in borderlands, which is still exactly what they do. Yeah, Gis brought back EK now, but he came with Indo. EK generally runs 15-20 people, hard to call that massive either. The only big guild we have is TpW. You can jump right into TpW Discord and check for yourself. No one's talking about this thread. We had a bad reset, and a good weekend, still no focus on PPT, we just aren't getting hit with map queues swarming our stuff 24/7. No, I didn't say avoid Mag I said the easiest way to beat Mag is not playing in EBG fighting them because they leave their BL undefended. Sin runs 20 plus easy and yeah they usually go off on their own and were there before this population jump from again med to way full you get the smallest link. Dog struck me more as a annoying mid sized havoc group no idea if that's accurate.And the using this thread as inspiration was a joke as you ppt hard yesterday but you are the type that needs to address everything so it's my fault for throwing that in there. Again, we know how to beat them. Just cause we know how to be T1, doesn't mean that's how we want to play. And right here is take this advice yourself. The only reason I ever said anything to you is you initial BG is dodging us Hod uses siege. Just because you play a certain way doesn't mean servers have to play your style. If you want to be a fite server be one but don't state "facts" of why you drop tiers and shift blame to links. You either adjust if winning matters or lose to someone with a .7 going but but we won all the fitesWe aren't telling them to play a certain way. Again, you want me to be saying something I'm not. I'm saying us dropping out of T1 wasn't a problem for anyone, because the content was not fun. It's not about what I want the server to be about, it's about what the commanders are looking to accomplish when commanding. PPT is not their goal. No one cares about who wins a skirmish. You get literally nothing for it. T1, T4, T whatever makes literally no difference in anything. We care about fights, if the fights are boring, not there, or against a server who builds 30 ACs in open fields, then we don't care if we can't partake in them. I don't get why you keep lecturing me about winning and how to win. Again, SBI is currently full of veterans who have been playing since launch. Big names in WvW. They know how to win skirmishes. There's a reason they don't. Stop lecturing me about it. If you don't like me explaining the inner politics to people asking, here's a tip: Don't read my posts. We don't need your advice, we aren't trying to T1. We already know how to PPT if we wanted. You absolutely do not need to respond to me, so feel free to not do that.

Yeah maybe stop acting like you a fight sever then and do some ppt instead of hoping the server you get linked with will. I mean if fighting Mag this week doesn't show you how far from a fight server you are the idk what will. The problem is we just don't have the people for PPT. I get it, we the big bad boogie mans. Indo came to town and put BG in their place, so now everyone has something to prove. However, the people that joined Indo on SBI, didn't really join to make SBI T1, or the best, or anything server pride related. They joined to play with Indo. Indo plays on three servers. SBI, FSP, and most importantly, EB. Our link ATM is, wait for it.... EB. That means that EB is effectively a dead server right now, since their "on paper" numbers are something like 50+ higher than they actually are. We get no coverage from EB, because that coverage is just SBI players in the first place. You need to keep in mind SBI was also a dead server before Indo came here. In order for us to PPT when the main bulk of the server isn't playing on SBI, we need something to fill the gaps. We don't have that with this link. We are generally outnumbered on EBG and the BLs outside of NA prime, where the other servers have at least something of a force. Last week was effectively TC sending a map queue to our keep, while 10 roamers held them off, from like 12am to about when Indo got back on. We have just enough people to half focus on not losing absolutely everything on one map. Also, your comment is logically incorrect. If we are a fight server, what the kitten does that have to do with PPT? Look at T1 right now, it's HoD and TC getting farmed by BG. Does that make them fight servers now? People who get one pushed and can't keep a positive KDR? We aren't in T3 cause we lost fights, we are in T3 cause we couldn't PPT. Listen dude Sbi was a bandwagon not a big bad boogie man. You got to stack and win for a bit no biggie happens 15 times over and over but the instant you start losing it was our links fault or this server dodging our zergs so yeah it just sounded sad. Then you were like but but our k/d so we a fight server not a ppt. You don't have to be a fight server to have a high K/d there are many ways making it absolutely no bearing on if you are good or not. Like Mag loses sometimes with a 1.6 or BG keeps there high cause night capping then good even coverage the rest of the day allowing them to defend t3 stuff and they also don't push yolo into garrys and ebg keeps putting a dent in it. Mag completely abandons their bl and farms 20 feet from smc all day again so K/D means nothing for the most part. Now you say you put BG in it's place I guess you mean BG w/o a link while you had one and were like 1st 2nd 3rd 1st 3rd in hours for the 5 timezones. Well done. No one even thinks of SBI I just don't like a 4 month bandwagon who then falls complaining over why you dropping tiers and only blames thier new link while they run around with a .8 k/d going but but ebay isn't ppt for us so now we losing. Funny hearing BG call another server a bandwagon, that's gold. I'm not blaming or complaining. I'm telling you how it is. Indo doesn't PPT, he wants fights. EK looks for fights. EP hardly even captures things, and mainly stays in the open fields. I don't know the inner workings of Sin, but it doesn't seem like they make much of an effort to PPT either. Dog is more of a SBI guild rather than something organized, and mainly only tags up to get roamers together. There you have it. You have basically all the guilds on SBI, and anything near organized is generally out looking exclusively for fights. EB has nothing to offer, because they are more dead than SBI was until Indo came back, and SBI was dead. You can talk all you want, we hit keeps. Don't you remember? You guys made a post here about just how unfair it was when we took and held your EBG keep. We don't shy away from them. The commanders we have are all veteran fight commanders. I know, you're sad cause they left BG, but it doesn't change the fact that these commanders focus on fights, not PPT, for a couple hours a night. Again, not complaining. It is how it is. No one's leaving the server, so I don't mind a bad link. Just if next time, come up with better excuses than some conspiracies about Anet employees and favoritism if we beat you again. I'm not Bg never have been just addressing the put BG in their place. Like everything you say is complaining but you say your not complaining. You just brought up how you are outnumbered like over the past couple months the other server weren't outnumbered by you. Maybe BG can borrow all your excuses the next thread they make. Don't worry you tech can't lose in t4 so the steak will end but to help you out to beat mag stay out of ebg and take their BL esp at NA prime Again, it's not complaining. It's what it is. Saying facts are not complaining. I'm not all that bothered by it, it's just what it is. People wanted to know why we where losing, and I said why. Complaining would be saying it negatively or wanting some change, I'm just saying what's going on. We have a couple hours during NA with coverage, we lost our PPT guilds with the link, and we are linked with ourselves, those are the facts. Also, why dodge NA prime? That's when SBI is active. Only cause you losing. Now you will lose to sos just because they nightcap you if you weak during the night/morning now Mag usually grabs smc and just farms the side that puts up a resistance or shows a zerg while allowing their entire BL to get capped and if you chose upgraded. You almost never earn positive points going zerg vs zerg against them. Maybe you guys can at that time but if you can't you gain way more off their BL then they can even farming ebg. Just advice as you need to adjust if winning matters so these excuses that are facts not complaining. I keep telling you no one cares about winning. You don't think Indo knows how to lock down a T1 victory? It would require calling people to PPT all day every day, and that's not what he's about. That's why it's not done. It's why he has multiple alts. He, like the other commanders we have, want fights, if there's none on SBI, then they swap to EU or their NA2 accounts. Everyone knows we need PPT and coverage if we want to stay up in the tiers, but no one joined this server to make SBI T1. Again, it's what it is. We go positive on Mag fights with our commanders, but that's not saying much. It's to be expected, and what should happen. Mag doesn't really have commanders, just lots of people playing on their own. No one's looking for advice on how to T1, no one's complaining about not being T1. Again, I'm just explaining to people who accuse us of intentionally tanking, dodging, or are just pain curious to what's going on, as to what's going on. If you don't care about winning and yes it's true most of us don't then no need to explain why you are dropping. Just be like AR Mag FA and say we looking for fites while avoiding server just like them. Just like AR tanked last day last week to stay in T2 as TC who has no business in T1 got played and how you see fight servers seem to try their best to drop into different tiers to farm weaker servers. Like right now if you cared about fights there is no way in hell you want to drop this week into t4. You want to stay in T3 and get FA next week and go toe to toe with them just like you say you are vs Mag but I can't confirm as no alts in t3. If fight server ie AR FA Mag and now you really wanted fights you'd try like hell to get into the same tier not find ways to avoid each other. Not you yet but kitten AR got last second tank mastered If people ask questions that I have the answer to, I'll answer them. It's not tanking or dodging, it's just no PPT. Simple as that. But why would we avoid fights when we want fights? You're putting this weird ego into my words that simply isn't there. You want me to be saying something that I'm not. Every commander on the server wants fights, not PPT. That's all it is. We aren't avoiding anyone. Indo is always looking for the enemy zerg, the smaller groups are always looking for enemy groups bigger than ours. I don't know where you are getting this idea that anyone is avoiding anyone. We aren't jumping maps to avoid zergs, we aren't shying from map queues. This is all made up by you, those are actively things the commanders are looking for. You don't seem to be able to separate when I talk about what other fight servers do and you even when I write their 3 names you still take it as you and your server so I'm good. I have no idea what you guys consistently do because you are the new bandwagon. You had a couple guilds were med pop then exploded to full with the smallest link because you were so full. I also think you must be parroting this thread to your discord as inspiration because you guys working overtime to ppt now. I'm not Mag btw and def won't feel sorry for them if you are so have fun. You keep saying we should avoid Mag and what we should do if we want to win. Everyone knows what to do if we want to win. Also, no, none of our guilds changed. People joined for Indo, not for SBI. DOG and Sin are SBIs guilds, DOG is more of a SBI social guild, they don't run organized groups and mostly just tag up to group pugs together to hit an objective real quick and tag down. Sin runs small mainly in borderlands, which is still exactly what they do. Yeah, Gis brought back EK now, but he came with Indo. EK generally runs 15-20 people, hard to call that massive either. The only big guild we have is TpW. You can jump right into TpW Discord and check for yourself. No one's talking about this thread. We had a bad reset, and a good weekend, still no focus on PPT, we just aren't getting hit with map queues swarming our stuff 24/7. No, I didn't say avoid Mag I said the easiest way to beat Mag is not playing in EBG fighting them because they leave their BL undefended. Sin runs 20 plus easy and yeah they usually go off on their own and were there before this population jump from again med to way full you get the smallest link. Dog struck me more as a annoying mid sized havoc group no idea if that's accurate.And the using this thread as inspiration was a joke as you ppt hard yesterday but you are the type that needs to address everything so it's my fault for throwing that in there.Again, we know how to beat them. Just cause we know how to be T1, doesn't mean that's how we want to play. Yeah they run about 20. I don't run with them, so I don't know their inner workings, but we will fight on BLs beside them with EK. DOG has no organization. It's basically all pugs and a couple that have tags that will sometimes use them to group other pugs into one area. I don't say this as a negative thing, I like the DOG boys and girls just fine, but they aren't a guild the same way Sin is. They mainly just run around EBG as solos. Except not really. TpW broke off into two groups to try and spread Mag out to be more manageable, but no one was PPTing. That was farming. We spent like almost 2 hours just fighting in front of SMC.

Yeah maybe stop acting like you a fight sever then and do some ppt instead of hoping the server you get linked with will. I mean if fighting Mag this week doesn't show you how far from a fight server you are the idk what will. The problem is we just don't have the people for PPT. I get it, we the big bad boogie mans. Indo came to town and put BG in their place, so now everyone has something to prove. However, the people that joined Indo on SBI, didn't really join to make SBI T1, or the best, or anything server pride related. They joined to play with Indo. Indo plays on three servers. SBI, FSP, and most importantly, EB. Our link ATM is, wait for it.... EB. That means that EB is effectively a dead server right now, since their "on paper" numbers are something like 50+ higher than they actually are. We get no coverage from EB, because that coverage is just SBI players in the first place. You need to keep in mind SBI was also a dead server before Indo came here. In order for us to PPT when the main bulk of the server isn't playing on SBI, we need something to fill the gaps. We don't have that with this link. We are generally outnumbered on EBG and the BLs outside of NA prime, where the other servers have at least something of a force. Last week was effectively TC sending a map queue to our keep, while 10 roamers held them off, from like 12am to about when Indo got back on. We have just enough people to half focus on not losing absolutely everything on one map. Also, your comment is logically incorrect. If we are a fight server, what the kitten does that have to do with PPT? Look at T1 right now, it's HoD and TC getting farmed by BG. Does that make them fight servers now? People who get one pushed and can't keep a positive KDR? We aren't in T3 cause we lost fights, we are in T3 cause we couldn't PPT. Listen dude Sbi was a bandwagon not a big bad boogie man. You got to stack and win for a bit no biggie happens 15 times over and over but the instant you start losing it was our links fault or this server dodging our zergs so yeah it just sounded sad. Then you were like but but our k/d so we a fight server not a ppt. You don't have to be a fight server to have a high K/d there are many ways making it absolutely no bearing on if you are good or not. Like Mag loses sometimes with a 1.6 or BG keeps there high cause night capping then good even coverage the rest of the day allowing them to defend t3 stuff and they also don't push yolo into garrys and ebg keeps putting a dent in it. Mag completely abandons their bl and farms 20 feet from smc all day again so K/D means nothing for the most part. Now you say you put BG in it's place I guess you mean BG w/o a link while you had one and were like 1st 2nd 3rd 1st 3rd in hours for the 5 timezones. Well done. No one even thinks of SBI I just don't like a 4 month bandwagon who then falls complaining over why you dropping tiers and only blames thier new link while they run around with a .8 k/d going but but ebay isn't ppt for us so now we losing. Funny hearing BG call another server a bandwagon, that's gold. I'm not blaming or complaining. I'm telling you how it is. Indo doesn't PPT, he wants fights. EK looks for fights. EP hardly even captures things, and mainly stays in the open fields. I don't know the inner workings of Sin, but it doesn't seem like they make much of an effort to PPT either. Dog is more of a SBI guild rather than something organized, and mainly only tags up to get roamers together. There you have it. You have basically all the guilds on SBI, and anything near organized is generally out looking exclusively for fights. EB has nothing to offer, because they are more dead than SBI was until Indo came back, and SBI was dead. You can talk all you want, we hit keeps. Don't you remember? You guys made a post here about just how unfair it was when we took and held your EBG keep. We don't shy away from them. The commanders we have are all veteran fight commanders. I know, you're sad cause they left BG, but it doesn't change the fact that these commanders focus on fights, not PPT, for a couple hours a night. Again, not complaining. It is how it is. No one's leaving the server, so I don't mind a bad link. Just if next time, come up with better excuses than some conspiracies about Anet employees and favoritism if we beat you again. I'm not Bg never have been just addressing the put BG in their place. Like everything you say is complaining but you say your not complaining. You just brought up how you are outnumbered like over the past couple months the other server weren't outnumbered by you. Maybe BG can borrow all your excuses the next thread they make. Don't worry you tech can't lose in t4 so the steak will end but to help you out to beat mag stay out of ebg and take their BL esp at NA prime Again, it's not complaining. It's what it is. Saying facts are not complaining. I'm not all that bothered by it, it's just what it is. People wanted to know why we where losing, and I said why. Complaining would be saying it negatively or wanting some change, I'm just saying what's going on. We have a couple hours during NA with coverage, we lost our PPT guilds with the link, and we are linked with ourselves, those are the facts. Also, why dodge NA prime? That's when SBI is active. Only cause you losing. Now you will lose to sos just because they nightcap you if you weak during the night/morning now Mag usually grabs smc and just farms the side that puts up a resistance or shows a zerg while allowing their entire BL to get capped and if you chose upgraded. You almost never earn positive points going zerg vs zerg against them. Maybe you guys can at that time but if you can't you gain way more off their BL then they can even farming ebg. Just advice as you need to adjust if winning matters so these excuses that are facts not complaining. I keep telling you no one cares about winning. You don't think Indo knows how to lock down a T1 victory? It would require calling people to PPT all day every day, and that's not what he's about. That's why it's not done. It's why he has multiple alts. He, like the other commanders we have, want fights, if there's none on SBI, then they swap to EU or their NA2 accounts. Everyone knows we need PPT and coverage if we want to stay up in the tiers, but no one joined this server to make SBI T1. Again, it's what it is. We go positive on Mag fights with our commanders, but that's not saying much. It's to be expected, and what should happen. Mag doesn't really have commanders, just lots of people playing on their own. No one's looking for advice on how to T1, no one's complaining about not being T1. Again, I'm just explaining to people who accuse us of intentionally tanking, dodging, or are just pain curious to what's going on, as to what's going on. If you don't care about winning and yes it's true most of us don't then no need to explain why you are dropping. Just be like AR Mag FA and say we looking for fites while avoiding server just like them. Just like AR tanked last day last week to stay in T2 as TC who has no business in T1 got played and how you see fight servers seem to try their best to drop into different tiers to farm weaker servers. Like right now if you cared about fights there is no way in hell you want to drop this week into t4. You want to stay in T3 and get FA next week and go toe to toe with them just like you say you are vs Mag but I can't confirm as no alts in t3. If fight server ie AR FA Mag and now you really wanted fights you'd try like hell to get into the same tier not find ways to avoid each other. Not you yet but kitten AR got last second tank mastered If people ask questions that I have the answer to, I'll answer them. It's not tanking or dodging, it's just no PPT. Simple as that. But why would we avoid fights when we want fights? You're putting this weird ego into my words that simply isn't there. You want me to be saying something that I'm not. Every commander on the server wants fights, not PPT. That's all it is. We aren't avoiding anyone. Indo is always looking for the enemy zerg, the smaller groups are always looking for enemy groups bigger than ours. I don't know where you are getting this idea that anyone is avoiding anyone. We aren't jumping maps to avoid zergs, we aren't shying from map queues. This is all made up by you, those are actively things the commanders are looking for. You don't seem to be able to separate when I talk about what other fight servers do and you even when I write their 3 names you still take it as you and your server so I'm good. I have no idea what you guys consistently do because you are the new bandwagon. You had a couple guilds were med pop then exploded to full with the smallest link because you were so full. I also think you must be parroting this thread to your discord as inspiration because you guys working overtime to ppt now. I'm not Mag btw and def won't feel sorry for them if you are so have fun.You keep saying we should avoid Mag and what we should do if we want to win. Everyone knows what to do if we want to win. Also, no, none of our guilds changed. People joined for Indo, not for SBI. DOG and Sin are SBIs guilds, DOG is more of a SBI social guild, they don't run organized groups and mostly just tag up to group pugs together to hit an objective real quick and tag down. Sin runs small mainly in borderlands, which is still exactly what they do. Yeah, Gis brought back EK now, but he came with Indo. EK generally runs 15-20 people, hard to call that massive either. The only big guild we have is TpW. You can jump right into TpW Discord and check for yourself. No one's talking about this thread. We had a bad reset, and a good weekend, still no focus on PPT, we just aren't getting hit with map queues swarming our stuff 24/7.