Sicktanick.4369

Lets go ahead and take your supermarket example and roll with it. If I go to buy lucky charms based on their box for 39.99, obviously its not the cost just using the game cost, you get to the checkout counter pay your priced and go home excited to eat your lucky charms. You open the box to just find the cereal. Inside their is now a notification that says if you want the marshmallows go back and pay another 16 dollars. You would be outraged would you not? Now obviously lucky charms arent worth that. So lets say 4 dollars for the box. You get home, find out you need to pay an extra dollar for marshmallows, you were not aware of this and based on the information the company gave, assumed you were getting marshmallows. 1 extra dollar is nothing, probably even worth the marshmallows, that does not change the fact that I feel scammed (whether it is a scam or not) and I am sure you would feel the same, you just refuse to see it from any other perspective. Further, imagine ordering a bacon cheeseburger, you get the burger with no bacon and they said, well I mean the burger is the overall meal, the bacon is just to compliment and progress the flavor of the burger, but that is 2 extra dollars. I guarantee most of us here would say no, that is bullsh** and either not pay for the bacon, or take it further and get our money back entirely.

That would be them, thank you.

You can't really argue 9 years of content if none if it is even touched anymore though, id argue almost 50% of that content isn't even done anymore due to it being obsolete, only way you will experience most of it is going back with a group of friends, which means you need to get a group of friends on the game, hope they enjoy doing old content, or at least willing to put up with it for new players, and then find the time commitment to do said things. It seems a huge part of the solo portion of the game is extra cost, and the other portion is not even played anymore. That being said, I seem to have lost a huge amount of my old items to a hacker, which is very unfortunate. Contacted Anet and they wanted the names of said items...does anyone remember the names of the old ghosty purple items? lol. Also, I have like a gross amount of karma, is that still used for things?

Did you actually watch those? 3 of those stated how if you are looking for something to do, play this. If that is the best advertisement for the game....I can't imagine it living long. Again I apologize for my attitude to everyone that was supportive, just seems to be a few condescending people who can't comprehend a second sticker price that you are unaware of being annoying. I also think it is a very poor soapbox to stand on if one of the best defenses available is "but I mean if you get it on sale"

Well yea, so it makes sense to not include any of that "content" in the price if it is obsolete and due to that, never done. So now we are chipping down at the content vs price. Add in that even people defending the price have said "LS isn't even needed", so we are going to end up paying for content not even needed just to experience obsolete content just so we can get a better idea of the over arching story. If you played WoW and you went halfway through a questline and a message popped up and said "enter CC and pay 3.99 to access second part of quest, this price includes the story and no other bonuses" there would be outrage. Same with ESO, New world, FF, or any other MMO sub or not.

The whole season definitely is not 150-200g, I have 387g on my account, after looking at the gem transfer rates I can get half of one living story season. Again, for people that keep skimming posts, the cost may be fair, but that is not the point. Also can we get a check on "1000s of hours of content for only another 50 bucks"...it is not 1000 hours of content, lets be real. No one is bashing your game, my friend got his game refunded immediately (shout out to ANet support for being cool about it) so in the end no harm no foul, I expressed displeasure that my friend got smacked by this hidden cost info and decided to 180 and nope the hell out so now I am stuck playing solo. It is unfortunate it was not said up front. If we want to really dig in to other MMO costs, WoW/FF has way way more replay value on the content it has, from the videos etc. a lot of the old GW stuff isn't even touched, dungeons are dead more or less because they give nothing of value etc. This is all from "should you play in 2021" videos etc. since I was advised to do this and get some knowledge, if you didn't already know, most of these videos say to NOT play this game now. I will say, besides the select few, this community seems nowhere near as toxic as other games. Further, I didn't even consider the cost of my friend now being able to choose my server because it is "full"...I logged in...it is defintely not. I let the few toxic people get to me and now im bashing aspects of the game, my apologies I still love this game.

Yea im a little thrown back by the amount of "you should of just played when it was free" or "its your fault, you should of warned your friends"...I clearly put I stopped playing a bit after fractals released, so I was also not aware I would have to buy all this extra content. The difference is, I know I enjoy the game, I do not mind spending the extra money when it comes down to it, but not everyone is me. I am just very surprised that this kind of system is in place...almost completely walling off new players with a hidden cost. Regardless of how you can achieve it with gold/sales/etc. it is a hidden cost not clearly stated at the buy screen, or even shown when playing the base game for free. So the only way to really know prior to any money investment is to have someone explicitly explain to you how it works.

I definitely think people are missing my friends point, having not played the game at all, and even if you count it from the latest expansion the game being 4 years old, its base price of the game is not a bad deal at all for what you get. I would also agree that it may be one of the best price point for content you can get from games these days. That being said, finding out that to really play the game to its core, you are paying well over that price. Almost 100 dollars worth (with the sale its less, without it its more). Unless you want to spend everything you have, and then some at 80 to transfer to gems just to have a taste of the living story. Is in fact, very punishing to new people. No game that is 4 years old should cost an upwards of 100 dollars. It would be very easy and reasonable to show up front the actual price you will pay for the game. I would gladly spend, say 80 dollars in a bundle, then spend 40 get hype, and find out I need to spend another 60 down the line. Imagine your favorite game, its refreshing, different, a good time...you are enjoying it...then boom you go to load in to the next area and it asks you for your CC and to pay 15.99 to access this level. You are enjoying it and you are willing to spend the money sure, but that initial reaction is a kitten feeling and I think we can all agree on that.

Him and I would much rather have that to be honest. Him thinking he will try a new MMO at a fairly reasonable price given its age, then be slammed with 60+ more dollars once in game is what really killed it for him. If he had known he was committing almost 100 dollars he would of said no, or weighed that choice then and there if it was available with the game. Seems much more reasonable to have "60 dollars bundle with HoT and PoF a long with the living story! Catch up now before EoD release!" or something akin to that, rather we got 39.99 for 2 games plus another 60+ in hidden fees (which is how I see it). Or at least include that you will need to spend extra money.

Was not aware of that, but unfortunately I do not think "spend everything you earned from 1 - 80 and 60 days of dailies to play the first part of the story" is a huge selling point. I guess I am just very confused and lost as to how it makes sense to paywall the story when we are already paying for the game...seems like a different way to run a sub service essentially.

I have not played since fractals were introduced, and I fondly remember so many things about the game. I convinced my friend to buy all the stuff up to the new expansion and am severely disappointed with the living world. It seems for him JUST to play what is essentially the story of the game he has to spend upwards of 60+ dollars. With that and the base games he is spending 100+ dollars on the game...needless to say he bailed immediately and got a refund for the purchase approved. Is there something I am missing that makes this more reasonable? Very sad to see that returning players/new players are punished so severely.

What happens to say all my gold? From your post ive gathered that any xmogs you have are saved...what else is saved that is worth while? Or what do you actually lose by deleting all your characters? Like for example in WoW, if you delete a character, besides xmogs you lose absolutely everything about that character.

I got a few friends to join me for PoF. They are brand new and I am returning from the beginning. I believe I am on Sanctum of rall server and was curious on how it works now. If I remember correctly SoR WvW presence died pretty hard. When I went to look for a different server it was going to cost a lot of gems. I have debated straight up making a whole new account to play with friends because I dont want to force them on to SoR if its dead. Is there anything new about servers and how they work? Or is anyone from SoR able to tell me how the population is looking?

My thing is I can cancel WoW at any time, it looks like to buy the expansion and all those gems im looking at going 70 dollars (which is not bad). Right now WoW is 30 bucks in total for all games including BfA and comes with a month. After that one month I could decide I hate the current iteration cancel it and ive only spent 30 bucks. Its more of a money up front for permanence vs I could not like it after a month and be done. I guess a way to look at it would be season passes to call of duty. I loved all call of duty's up until modern warfare 2 and black ops. But every single year I buy the new call of duty plus the season pass hoping it'll be as good as it was. Usually I am let down by the likes of infinite warfare and black ops 4. Now instead of spending the other 40 that was the deluxe edition for the season pass they could of offered an option where im paying 5 dollars a month (lowered price because well its cod not a live service) and after realizing it was terrible the first month I did not commit 100 dollars instead I committed 65. But the price is not bad and I enjoyed guild wars since the very beginning of the first game. My friend tends to be the more stingy one when it comes to money and I don't want him to be turned away by another purchase after the fact. I do have another question though, I have a lot of gold sitting on my old character, if I buy the living world with gold is it unlocked across the account?

Thank you for this thought out response as to what I will receive in just buying the expansions, you have definitely taken some weight off the decision for me.

It’s not so much about the total cost. Even then it seems each full season would cost around 15-20 dollars, with my friend buying PoF for 30, then buying all 4 seasons he would need to fully flesh out the story it would be 110 dollars on the high end, that is a hefty price tag. To compare it to say WoW on an expansion release, 60 dollars and usually comes with a month. I then pay another 15 because I am getting ready to raid, so 75. That month ends maybe we got heroic down or close to it. Another 15 to continue. Heroic for sure down mythic+, mythic raid, some PvP, maybe try a different role and take up healing. Oh damn new patch release new quests, story continues, new raid, new armor, class changes, iLvl update etc. so I give them another 15. So now I’m in for 100 bucks for a new expansion, 4 months of game time, and a new patch which is like a mini expansion at times. I’m not saying WoW is better, it’s expensive as hell. But I would definitely like to buy the game for 18 bucks, pay 15 for a month and have ALL living story available. If I really enjoy it grab another month, if I don’t then I spent 30 bucks and was entertained for a bit. With WoW I could of quit after the first raid of the new expansion, re signed up now and have full access to everything that has been offered up until now. Now I said it wasn’t about the price tag, that was just my little rant because I took your tone as condescending which I hope I am wrong about. I guess I just don’t plainly see the difference between buying the expansion and the living story. Hopefully you can elaborate on it for me a little better as the last time I played it seemed simple, here is the game you bought, here is max level, here is what you can do. If we don’t look at live service games like WoW and FF, I’m used to an expansion being here is XYZ that is new, here is the story, etc. So I guess in the end my question is what content am I actually getting by buying the expansion and how am I reinforcing the fun by spending even more on the living story.

So I bought guild wars 2 on release and went super hard on it with some friends. Unlocked a few legendaries etc. I stopped playing a little while after fractals came out. I bought HoT and logged in a while ago and saw that I have to ALSO buy the living stories that I missed? Which were going to cost me as much as the expansion did. So I just logged out and never came back. With the new stuff coming out I convinced a buddy to get PoF with me. It’s on sale for 18 dollars at my local frys...my question is how the hell do I go about getting the living stories that I missed? I seemed to have missed a huge amount of seasons which will all cost me unless I skip them, farm gold, and come back. The buying the expansions and then buying the story on top of it is what killed my return the first time. I don’t want that to happen again to me or to my friend and cause him to not want to play.