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I agree, ANet has clarified this. I don't recall saying that they were related?

I didn't even know that this seer existed in game. I haven't completed all the side quests yet. Seeing this seer makes me happy and relieved that Isgarren isn't the only representation., and that they do have similarities to the GW1 seers. But the thing is you do not know that, nor do I. Nothing in the game states this as being absolute and final, as we still do not know where they come from, or much about them. "Forgotten" just refers to the creatures that we see in the game. What I was suggesting that hypothetically , there are more species of closely related creatures to what we see in game. I was using the word Forgotten as a reference to a group of closely related creatures that included Forgotten in game, because there is nothing else I could use to describe them as such. I am just using the term based off of a Tyrian perspective. I don't know how else to explain this lol Also, which non mammals have the same skeletal and muscular structure as a human in their torso, arms, and hands? They literally have pecs lol. Their appearance in game is most definitely influenced by human anatomy. They are a humanoid type creature. Just like Charr are artistically modeled between humans, cats, ungulates, and so on. This doesn't disprove my theory though. That actually opens up more room for the possibility to be true, if the Forgotten don't even know themselves. If Isgarren were talking with Forgotten, and they lost their own people's history, then how would Isgarren know what the Forgotten's true name is? Or perhaps I am misunderstanding something, as my head is a bit foggy at the moment lol That is not actually quite true though lol. GW2 wiki quite literally says that there is doubt to them being brought with the Gods. The idea that they came with the Gods and so on is a biased perspective from Tyrian humans, from my understand. And if this were to even be true, which God realm did they come from? There are multiple human Gods. Human legends claim that the Forgotten were originally brought to Tyria by the Six Gods in 1769 BE to serve as the world's custodians during the gods' reforming of the planet.[6] However, recent revelations about the history of the gods have cast parts of this account into doubt. Not quite. I had listed my observations earlier as to why I made this hypothesis.

But Samarog being reptilian isn't the only thing I said as my "proof" of a possibility of him being a type of Forgotten species. I know and agree that a few of the things that I have listed may be seen as "dubious", but the thing is, it still doesn't erase the possibility that Anet could make Samarog's background as being a type of Forgotten. Because again. There is no proof to suggest that it is impossible as I had said earlier.

I don't see how this is true. Forgotten is just the name given by Tyrians. It is not the name the Forgotten gave to themselves. We only see serpentine people in game, we don't see anything else. We never seen where they come, their lands, flora, fauna, and so on. Even if Samarog isn't a species related to the Forgotten that we see in game, that doesn't prove that other species related to Forgotten or different types of Forgotten don't exist. How are Forgotten not partially equivalent to mammals? Half their body resembles that of a mammal, such as a human, and humans are mammals. I do agree with you and I think that is a really good point on the elder races and the Forgotten. But how do we know that the elder races do or don't know? I don't recall too well, but were the Forgotten there before the elder races, or came after? I disagree that because their body has to solely be expressed as a snake just off of their biological appearance, when that isn't even too clear in game. So many other vertebrates portray body shapes that resemble Forgotten, from certain types of fish, to amphibians, to other squamates. We call them serpentine and snake like due to what is written in game and the wiki. Those snakes puns I totally forgot about. It has been a while. And that is very true with that as being a hint to being snake like. I know the released forgotten already. I never said they didn't lol. It is the same as saying they won't release those other things. The Seers in GW2 don't exactly like the ones in GW1, the hydra, gargoyles, and so much more don't either. But I am not, nor was I making the case that Samarog is the same thing as the Forgotten in GW1. This isn't vastly unrelated to what you said. It is related. I was directly addressing what you had said here in regards to consistency. Doesn't what you had said prove that consistency hasn't been absolute with this game? There are so many inconsistencies and I would say that the game still has a lot of credibility. I do agree they can't just go anywhere, nor do I except them to. I never said they were the same species as Forgotten though. You are framing it here like I am. I am suggesting a type of Forgotten. And why cannot ever go? I don't think likely they will, but saying that it cannot be done would need evidence. There is nothing suggesting that they can't go in that direction. Again I am saying like I admitted earlier, I myself don't even believe that it is likely they would ever go in the direction of my speculation. It is a wild thought I brought up, and maybe if the devs saw this post, they would probably laugh at it haha xD The term Forgotten is a word given to a group of mysterious creatures with unknown origin. As with earlier, that is just the name Tyrians gave them. I am not saying Samarog would be or had been referred to as a "Forgotten", or is the same exact taxonomic classification. The example with whales not looking like deer is an example to show how there is no precise and absolute limit to what environmental pressures can have on evolution. Who knows, maybe Samarog is related to those things. But as with my initial post, I was basing my theory off of very specific features that looked similar, and using the idea of the differences as an explanation of evolution. Also, sorry for the formatting issues. I am trying to figure out, experiment, and learn the different tools on the forums

No, because djinn are obviously not even close to resembling Samarog. They are made of fire, rock, and so on. There is nothing that I said that goes against Samarog having the possibility of being a type of species related to Forgotten. I don't see why you guys are so against the idea, when there is literally more proof to suggest that he could be rather than the contrary. Why is my theory not credible? Why is your suggestion that the possibility of Forgotten to have various related species can never occur? All I was saying that it could be possible . What is the proof that says the chance for this possibility is non existent??? I never said that Forgotten would grow an extra pair of limbs. That would make no sense if we were applying our world's perspective on how they evolve, and none of this would be "spontaneous". Perhaps they did have 3 pairs of legs, and lost a pair over time. Maybe the need for horns went away. Maybe Samarog species were a more primitive type of creature related to Forgotten. Who knows. You don't and I don't. I am just saying it is interesting on where it will go. Because it is possible. Evolution can go so many ways. I gave you so many examples, but it is disheartening that no one ever addresses those examples I provided. And you right about those examples. I really like your dragon theory. Who knows what Samarog will end up being. It is fun to think about. It hurts that you say my standard of evidence is low. I was just trying to be fun and apply our world's perspective of evolution to Tyria. I get the feeling that you may believe that I think my theory is likely. I honestly don't think it's likely, and I even admitted earlier.

I never said, nor was I ever suggesting that Samarog was the same exact species as the Forgotten in GW1. Nor did I say they are krait. I am suggesting that they could be a closely related species. Just like how whales are ungulates, yet don't look very much like other ungulates. Why couldn't ANet make Samarog a type of Forgotten? "Forgotten" isn't their actual name, that was a description given by Tyrians. So what I am trying to say is that I am hypothetically using "Forgotten" the same way we use "Bird" to refer to all avian dinosaurs. It doesn't mean that all species of bird are called "bird". Your argument on them only being "snake" people is that from a Tyrian perspective. You and I don't know much about the Forgotten other than they come from the mists, they have a snake/eel/caecilian type body combined with that of mammal. In the first game they had webbing between their limbs, now they have a carapace on their backs. I would say that is a redesign, albeit small. I don't fully agree with your credibility argument. They have done this multiple times with regards to consistency and the game is still strong. It is the same thing as when people said that they had all their chance to not release Elona, Cantha, Mursaat, Seers, and so on as well, so it would never happen. Yet here we are with all of those things. Would you say birds are reptile like? Would you say tunicates look like chordates like you and I? Do whales look deer like? It is a fantasy universe, so they could really go in so many places with what Samarog could be. I would be happy either way, I am just excited that we finally get to see more stuff on Samarog lol

It is fantasy, and just like with dragons and other mythical creatures that can appear either mammalian or reptilian, why couldn't the same be said for Forgotten? Saltsprays, Glint, Elder Dragons really don't look that much like each other that much morphologically speaking. Yet they are all considered various types of draconic species that are related. Same thing with drakes and wyverns. Birds are technically reptiles, but they don't have "reptile" like skin. Birds are also dinosaurs, specifically a type of theropod dinosaur like Tyrannosaurs and such. This just shows how there is no absolute in taxonomy. As with my previous example, Mosasaurs are the closest known relatives of snakes, yet they look nothing like a snake. Even look at Monotremes as another example. Or B ichirs vs Lungfish vs Salamanders that all have external gills in youth and neoteny, and neither are "super" closely related to each other. The Forgotten that we know in game don't have a head structure like most snakes, they don't have 4 human (mammal) arms and hands, they don't have a human torso, they don't have a carapace on their back (like seen in GW2), nor do they have webbing between their vestigial limbs. I think you are arguing polyphyletic traits to say it is not possible for Samarog to be a type of Forgotten. All I am saying is that it is possible that they could be related. But ho knows what ANet will decide Samarog to be. I agree that it could very easily be a demon, or even something created by someone.

There is no rule to say that everything must or must not follow the design form the original game. If they want to make Samarog a type of species of Forgotten and the winged, armless Forgotten in GW1 murals as another type, then they could do so easily if they wanted to. Or they don't have to. There is nothing in the current cannon lore that would contradict this if they went through with what I theorized. Also, I am not saying the Forgotten from GW1 are totally different than the ones in GW2. They look pretty much the same, other than the webbing between their arms. I am suggesting different species of Forgotten other than the Forgotten that we know of currently on Tyria. We don't know much about the ones we see in game. They are mysterious and forgotten creatures.

I defiantly agree that design in Guild Wars is not consistent, which is why I suggested this theory. Like as you say with the Krait, Skelk, Gargoyles, and much more. I am not even advocating that Samarog is the same type of Forgotten that we see in GW1. I am suggesting that perhaps they are a type of "Forgotten", meaning that they are a closely related species form the same realm. There is no exact plan or consistency in biology. The anatomy of Samarog does have differences, such as a bulkier body, and two hind legs. Though it also has interesting similar characteristics as well (skull shape, dental structure, reptilian, 4 arms). Snakes in real life used to have legs, as they are squamates. Some have very small vestigial legs as well. In our world there are examples of this non consistency; Mosasaurs are the (supposed) known closest relatives of snakes. They had a bulky bodies, fins, and were absolutely massive compared to most snakes. Another example of this are whales. Whales are a type of ungulate, which is a "hooved" animal such as hippos, horses, deer, moose, cows, goats, and so on. Yet they have fins, are the largest animals on this planet, and their body shape doesn't look anything like that of a horse. I know I am having copium lol, but I really want Arenanet to nerd out on different species, and possible taxonomic relations between certain ones. Of course, this is a fantasy universe. They don't have to follow our world's action of evolution and how we classify things, nor are they limited to using such things. Who knows, maybe Samarog is a fusion of some demon and a Forgotten, kind of like the Legendary Imbued Shaman (maybe he turned into a destroyer) in the volcanic fractal, or Ensolyss. I ponder this sinceI think it was Isgarren who wrote that Samarog was a "mistake" that wasn't his to fix... or something like that.

I honestly also believe my theory is unlikely, but I just am on the hope train that we could get more interesting bestiary lore on mysterious races of Tyria lol. For the physical characteristics, I don't entirely agree on the anatomy comparisons. The art of the Forgotten has no arms, and has a skull structure that is completely different than Forgotten in game. Samarog's skull structure is literally quite similar to the Forgotten in GW2. The only difference is that he has ram like horns, two legs, and is a bulkier. We really don't know much about the Forgotten race or where they come from, so the possibility of different "types of Forgotten" is not impossible I feel. Even the name Forgotten isn't their given name, but rather that given by Humans in reference to how much we don't know about them due to a large span of time, further showing how mysterious they are. I also wouldn't really say that the Forgotten have a skull that looks totally snake like. Even with the perspective that they are very snake like, snakes are squamates, meaning they are genetically a type of lizard. Various snakes also all have different types of head shapes, and there are many also many paraphyletic colloquial lizards that have similarities to Snakes (mosasaurs, varanids, etc) Nothing is always completely consistent with taxonomy. Another example could be different types of Salamanders who may have only 2 limbs, where as others have 4. Then you have some Amphibians that don't have any legs, types that don't even have lungs, and others that exhibit neoteny. Just to touch on affiliation with Janthir, I was suggesting that perhaps if Samarog were to be a type of Forgotten species, his affiliation with Janthir could simply be from his imprisonment by the Mursaat, or that there is a faction of Forgotten that are affiliated with Mursaat. Alternatively he could just be a demon, or some ancient race from Tyria, as most speculate. I really wanted to know more from the Samarog statue that Isgarren wrote about lol. Do you think he was suggesting that Samarog was "created" by someone, or that he may have been "benevolent" before? It is interesting that the Mursaat supposedly originate from Nayos (their homeland?). Would that make them Kryptis, or did they just settle there? Lot's of thoughts in my head, but that's the fun in speculation.

Hi all, what do you guys think? I've been curious as we've seen art of Forgotten in gw1 that some different anatomy than the living ones in GW1. Does this suggest that their could be multiple types of Forgotten? Samarog shares a long pointed chin, similar reptilian type head, dental anatomy, and four arms as the Forgotten statues in GW2 This may be a coincidence, but all the statues of Forgotten that I've seen in game, are them holding spears. Samarog wielded spears with the "Eye of Janthir(?)" mark on them. A little off topic, but I've seen Kryptis that are weilding these same spears that Samarog weilded. Maybe that is just relation to how Mabon suggested that the Mursaat are originally from Nayos, the Realm of Dreams? What do you all think?

I really thought we would get a whole other half of the map, but all we got was a very thing slice. A tunnel. Also, there is no indication, hype cinematic, or anything for the new expansion at the end of the this episode. Like I have no idea what the conclusion exactly is at the moment, thought I may have missed something? I don't see why they couldn't have just released this episode with the last one. Personally, I really love the demon theme of the story, and I am excited to see where this will eventually lead.

No, I wasn't able to talk to Taimi after coming back from using her golem in the depths. Chul-Moo is here with the other NPCs though.

No, I wasn't able to talk to Taimi after coming back from using her golem in the depths. Chul-Moo is here with the other NPCs though.

No, I wasn't able to talk to Taimi after coming back from using her golem in the depths. Chul-Moo is here with the other NPCs though.

Yes, a bunch of people are experiencing this same thing.

I have this same issue. I tried resetting the episode, but now Taimi doesn't even appear. Cannot progress the story.

Hi everyone, I was wondering if anyone else noticed that the massive tendrils with mouths (“mawed tendrils”) at the final boss area of the Deep are the same exact ones found around the Mouth of Torment in the Desolation. The only difference is that the ones in the Deep have ley magic/energy going in or out of their mouths. https://imgur.io/a/NEQUjbz Please take a look at these pictures on Imgur I took to show the comparisons. I also added some other picture of my findings that I tin foil hat for fun.

This is something I made and put on Imgur in a rushed attempt to get my ideas out along with my recent findings in this new map. Just interesting things to think about. Of course everything in my Imgur post may be completely wrong or totally reaching. I am just putting a tinfoil hat on for fun. I don't remember a lot of the lore, as I have been away from the Guild Wars universe for quite some time. https://imgur.com/a/NEQUjbz

Hi, so I can't access the support ticket page https://help.guildwars2.com/hc/en-us, because every time I am on that page, press sign in, I am taken to https://account.arena.net/login this page. Once I sign into my account on that page, it takes me to my account information, and not any support page/ticket submission site. On the top right it says {Forums} {WIKI} {Support} {Register}, so I press {Support} but it takes me to a new window (signed out!) which is the support ticket page (the same one as the first link) . So basically I can never access a support ticket because I keep getting signed out from the support ticket page for some reason. How do I fix this?

Can you bring out the Maguuma armor pieces again? (Mantle, Grasps and Treads) I want to buy and use them with the new Mordremoth weapons.

Ah thank you for clarifying. It is has been confusing me, but I should probably just take these reactions with a grain of salt and move on then.

I am saying the same thing as others here, yet I get downvoted and others get upvoted?? Regardless, it would be helpful to me if someone can clarify where I went wrong, as perhaps I am misunderstanding. I have specific opinion on this, just curious.

I don't know? Should we remove and change the name of the condition "cripple"? Also do the same for skills such as "plague blast", "severe artery", "necrotic grasp, "grasping dead", and so on. These are medical conditions, and from my understanding, senility is also? Perhaps I am too young, or a is a lack on my understanding of English \ language barrier, , but was senile considered an offensive/swear word?

Sorry, I may be misunderstanding. But I do not see where the issue is? Where is the prejudice, stereotype and discrimination in changing the name from "Recall" to "Senility"? Am I missing something? Are you saying ANet was making a joke on the name of this skill?