Ferin Delanore.2674

I am trying hard to remember where I saw someone say this but If I remember correctly this is not a Mesmer, it is a concept art of a warrior being attacked by a Mesmer spell "seeing phantasms" or visions of reality shattering. Just a piece of concept art nothing connected to a Mesmer ingame other than the "idea" of what Mesmers do. Same as we saw with the Caithe art piece of her waking up the Mossheart etc. Art for GW2 (and other games) is used to mostly help developers better visualize their ideas.

"I'm out of endurance" is A DAAIIIILYYYY quote I use and I need to stop ... Every single time I am tired or don't want to do something ...that ... or "Commander!?" Looks at task when I want my BF to do something for me.

I didn’t say I dislike it I said it doesn’t fit and that it sounds off on a technical level.I said I like the actor’s performance but that somewhere along the line of production decisions were made that simply made it feel off.Watch her reaction.It’s how I felt. She later continues to point out how it feels strange and that the filter used on voice is a bit too loud and I agree with her.THUS why I offered for people to comment suggestions on what possibly could improve what we have so far. But you forgot to add that they said .Not what I expected the first tengu to sound like, But I like it. So not like your opening post at all.

Boom! 8:43m in she notices the exact thing I mean. Pretty much same reaction as I had initially. Not negative... just unexpected. This is one of GW2's partners who makes regular great vids.

L O L :D Loved that hahaha! Well! That still is a good example of character voice matching a circumstance and physique and intention. When he yells and fights it does sound deeper and has nuance and then he has interviews where it smashes puberty levels. I do imagine a teen Tengu sounding younger but then I think of how there is no Physical difference between any of them so I had a hard time jiving with the voice over and the sound of the voice in the space it was provided in. have you ever heard Brock Lesnar speaking :P

I mean haha you seem to dislike lots of voices and that is very personal. I didn't particularly dislike the ones you mentioned since most have a background reason to sound that way ( Taimi is 14-16) (Spirit of the Forest is a little girl's spirit) etcHOWEVER! You do say something that truly hit the nail on the head! 21st Century voice. ABSOLUTELY! I think so much of the voice acting AND the post work done to the sounds makes them very contemporary which the environment of the game is not even close to. That is why some voices feel out of touch with the ingame reality.A good example would be Hagrid and Dobby the house elf from Harry Potter. Both Characters that could have any mix of voices yet the style made them believable. I could see Hagrid have a high or low voice yet the style is what truly matters in that case. Dobby could have a low timbre of voice but without the style of acting befitting the era it would sound out of place too.Food for thought. We're two on this. The way the voices are just 'put' seem very out of place in game.It also made me question: "What happened to different accents?"Accents make races unique and I feel they should've done that with MANY races, which isn't the case for some strange reason.So many voices really don't fit the game's immersion. GW1 never had these issues, I was fine with all voices from GW1. GW2 though...something is off.What you mentioned about Tengu voice is 100% true...and it could've been handled better. Make her sound more like a bird and less like a 21st century human?However...everything about that Fractal Deer Spirit is off for me XD the voice and the way the voice was done/put!...and Taimi just annoyed me cause she was 100% in every single story, making me just want to mute the speakers hahaha, kinda killed the seriousness and immersion of the game.

Absolutely brilliant character writing on their part I admit. In this case the voice fits a narrative and gives depth to the character, which is why I had a hard time getting behind he Tengu voices, I suppose. This might give you some insight why the "Spirit of the Mountain" sounds like a little girl.While it put me off at first as well, in this case it actually makes sense if you pay attention to the story.

Not sure how exactly it would be helpful to fill a post with technical terms and deep textbook explanations when I am trying to have a conversation with a general gamer base about the poor quality of a few voices that do not fit a character based on the details I provided in several of my answers but ... sure...Seems like criticism of ANYTHING these days triggers people to be freedom fighters for justice.read what I wrote or just keep posts meant to put others down..... to yourself.Some people here have made awesome points that, I admit, far better explain what I meant at first.Also read some of my answers and those of others. I have explained what issues with the mastering of the sound bugged me out initially and even answered people who made good points that mastering might not even be the issue.Cheeeeers

To clarify, I feel like lot's of those voices you mention are appropriate at times and I got a lot of heat for suggesting they don't fit.SO I just want to maybe ask you this... do you think the voice doesn't fit the Characters or maybe that the way it sounds out of place from the game as a whole makes you go Hmmm ... why does this deer sound like a small girl and this Tengu as well? For me it was the fact that the sound itself was so high pitched it didn't melt together with th game environment and I felt it was out of place in a way. So a high pitch Tengu sounding youthful could be totally cool but maybe with a different Dialect or speech pattern to match a talking bird.Even if not soothing, the bird sounds could almost be annoying and they can talk as if they try hard to communicate in your language or something. I am just trying to find creative ways to make this AWESOME race sound just as cool as the Charr for example or the Skritt. Notice how when skritt talk they stutter sometimes and talk fast like a mouse running fast into a wall lol :DIDK I love exploring that side of a game to try and make it as realistically rooted in nature as possible so that it feels real. For now.. some voices just lack that.

Honestly my bad for expressing myself wrong. I tried to give details on what I thought would allow other's to understand what I meant by the voice not entirely fitting. What you describe here fits exactly with what I mean to say. The effects don't add up to the quality of voices the game has produced and even if the actress did a great job an it DID sound appropriate for the bird... the resonance of the voice didn't sound edited properly to fit the physical needs of he BIRD part. You mention birds mimicking human speech perfectly in the way I would have like to see naive nuances and sarcastic undertones. The voice itself fir the character just maybe the sound mastering and the qualities added weren't on par with what they made their other Tengu sound like.I apologize if I came off as assuming everyone would jump on board and praise my opinions lol I truly meant to just express something I found that Anet has done better in the past and find ways to improve it.

I think the young girl voice quality I described wasn't the right way to go. What you are saying is more on par with what I meant to express. The pitch isn't the issue I saw, it was the quality of the voice connected to the character WITHIN the universe of GW2 where we have seen such voices on Quaggan, Skritt and maybe Asura female. What mostly stuck out to me as I mentioned above is that somehow the sound team didn't master the sound files to sound like part of the game but rather a corridor or distant sounding voice not attached to the speaker (The Tengu) if you listen to their other characters they make more sense even if the voice is a pitch I woulnd't exactly attach to that specific character I still buy it on a fantasy level. I just know I joined that DRM 6 times and 4 times someone had a wtf moment in chat about how they found the sound strange.That's why I kind of wanted to get inspiration from here and see what players have in mind when they think 7ft tall Avian bird people and imagine some cool voice over scenarios where even the high pitch bird like voice makes sense and sounds like ... well like the Raven you described... rather than a young lady.PS.: I totally saw some raven vids of them speaking and that is so fun! I almost wish they would take recordings of birds and make that the speech patters! Maybe it is mostly based within the speech pattern and accent. Notice how they don't say a full sentence yet you know what it means by association. That would be a cool thing for Tengu tbh!Thanks for the comment! I recommend looking for videos of various bird species mimicking human speech on Youtube. Ravens which many people associate with dark, gothic things can sound like breathless excited cheerleaders. So I think it's unfair to assume an avian species wouldn't or shouldn't have the voice of a young woman based on height or just ideas about the race in general. To be fair to you, I admit I was also surprised by the voice they used but not because it was such a young, high pitched voice. It just didn't have the same cadence or manner of speaking as the other Tengu we've encountered. B-but also it sounded exactly like various Quaggan to me, not only in sound and pitch but...character-wise. It was kind of unnerving.

You are very aggressive and don’t really seem to get what I am saying nor read my posts. None of what you wrote applies to what I said. I commented on the technicality of the sound of the voice and you are acting like I’m attacking gender norms and assuming what females should sound like lol. Idk if you are trolling but yeah I am working on some voices with some voice actors I know who actually came to the same conclusion as I did: the technical sound of the Tengu voices in guild wars 2 do not live up to the standard of sound quality as other characters in the game. TECHnically as in ... the technology of the sound of the voice and the way it is mixed into the game is not on par with what a charr or skritt of the same voice would sound like. For example if 4 characters in a movie had quality mics and Angelica Jolie came on sounding like she’s in a corridor with a voice quality of sound that didn’t match her appearance on camera. Yet in real life she would sound just fine.Again you aren’t following what I wrote so I think it’s quite strange for you to make such aggressively negative comments when I was just trying to make a point and have a healthy discussion. Not impose any X or Y opinion of mine lol The main issue is that not everything has to fit into a box of personal preferences. And it’s not very creative of you to assume an X race or an X size has to sound like what you would prefer an X to sound like... That was one character of many and voices will differ. Nah, it didn’t fit into what you assumed and into what your ideal imagined sound would be. That’s a you issue. Also, assuming a voice needs to sound similar to X because of X size and X race is another problem of yours. And what does a bow have to do with a voice a creature has anyway? It doesn’t. Again, not very creative or imaginative of you when you are stuck in X should sound like X mode. And acting like it’s improbable for a female avian humanoid to not have a similar voice is silly. And if you think you can do better at voicing Tengu then make a YouTube video and show Anet and the community how it should be done properly according to you...

Wrong. I did not impose a preference I pointed out that the voice development process that went on behind the scenes on a TECHNICAL level is not appropriate for the Character. You can have a heavy metal loving Charr sound feminine and have a voice actor who has a higher pitched voice o aaallll the acting for that character and IF IT IS FIT appropriately into the story and it makes sense for the character... AND if the mixing of the sound is done with a technical depth that lets the sound resonate FROM the character rather than sound as if the recording is not coming from said character then it is fine.Maybe I didn't express myself properly but I feel like people didn't understand what I was pointing out and they read it as a complaint or me bashing the game, while I just pointed out that several of the Tengu characters have voices that do not fit their character as portrayed by the game itself. The game has a very high quality of voice over talent and a sound team that can produce it, so having 60% be great with Tengy and 40% sound out of place is not a personal preference it is a professional observation.Like having 40 Blood Oranges mixed with 60 regular Oranges. 40 of them do not fit the characteristic THE GAME ITSELF establishes ... not my preference.I hope that clears it up The main issue is that not everything has to fit into a box of personal preferences. And it’s not very creative of you to assume an X race or an X size has to sound like what you would prefer an X to sound like... That was one character of many and voices will differ.

You Literally Articulated what I wanted to say!!!! Haha love it! Exactly my point! It sounds as if I am listening to a recording of someone in a part trying to do the voice and it is not mixed well into the game itself so something sounds off. That is why I said the actress is amazing it just doesn't fit the character of "Tengu" in my brain. Some of them totally do and you can hear it. But A LOT of them do not and it sounds super out of place. I thought that was kind of the Tengu's schtick: kind of like real birds that can mimic human voices, it sounds almost identical...except it doesn't have the same timbre or resonance almost sounding like you recorded the voice and played it back. I think it might just have something to do with our ears but you usually can tell when a bird is mimicking something from the real noise. From a distance, it can fool you but up close, you either know it's a "recording" or get the sensation it's further than the sound source actually is. [EDIT] Should have prefaced that with the caption that I am a complete noob with regards to audio. I don't kitten with recording equipment or sound systems, I just use headphones and ear buds for anything or just go with whatever default speakers are available lol so take my observations as if from a complete layman.

I agree that the bird like sounds were nice, but do you think they match the Physique of a 7ft tall avian humanoid shooting a bow at enemies and then chirping with an asuran voice? It is just an observation.What comes to mind are the Great Eagles from lord of the rings who rescue Gandalf. If they had voices they wouldn't sound like a high pitch bird in the first place.Maybe It is just me not being able to see the Face-Voice match yet. Maybe you are right and they are perfect as they are. I am just imagining them being playable and having that voice last for years, so I thought a discussion on what people would enjoy seeing would be fun to try.

Hey that is a good point!I just want to clarify: I didn't say the actor was wrong or short... I meant that the voice quality for a large avian strong and Norn-Elf kind of race (but with Feathers) just didn't fit the tonality of the vocals. So the actor did a great job but I believe ArenaNet may not have communicated direction well (trust me lol I voiced a few video games and I know studios have a hard time communicating what they want end product to be due to NDAs)I enjoyed the bird like sounds on some of the males but they also sound somewhat detached from the body. Charr sound like a beast speaking, while Tengu sound like a human speaking. I hope that makes sense.

Let me start by saying I adore the new episode and content feels much better than other recent patches we have gotten. Story is moving well and development is moving along faster.THAT SAID! I am a voice actor and I can not understand what quality control went on for the voice of the Tengu in terms of mastering and direction. When creating a character the basics are always, WHO am I, Where am I, and WHAT is my motivation.Guild Wars 2 has had incredible voice talent from day one. They match he body, the intention and the circumstance of the character and create an immersive experience.The TENGU however, feel absolutely distant when matching voice to body. There is not a second I felt like the sound could come out of them. A cheerful young female voice coming out of a 7ft tall humanoid bird just doesn't match on any level.1st: The performance of the actor is sublime! I am in no way degrading her performance. It has nuance and feeling. The voice would fit an Asura or skritt in a heartbeat.2nd: The Attack on the Domain of Winds is absolutely felt in the DRM and it shows through her performance.Now to my solution:Nightmare court style voice acting combined with sound level tweaking so that there is a depth to the voice and status / poise and pride of the avian race would benefit the character of the Tengu greatly.Birds have such a capacity for sound and light bone structure that allows for incredible resonance.IF anyone else has a suggestion please add it in a Comment below and I will try to make voice files in the studio and upload them here based on feedback so people can maybe hear the Tengu character and AS A COMMUNITY try to make it come to life more believably.Every Saturday I will try to follow suggestions and create a different realistic voice for a Tengu .Who's on board?

THIS IS THE THREAD I NEEDED! I have been scared to say anything for years! Sylvari MALE specifically have such strange armor proportions and visuals when you pick ANY option other than the skinniest ones. Every Chest, Legs and BOOTS mainly, look like they are stretched and just not proportional to rest of body. Outfits looks so strange for example try on 80% of outfits and watch what happens to boots part and hips. It's not just thicccc .... it is stretched and absolutely not proportional and appealing to look like! My mesmer looks beautiful but I wish he could be more muscular and still look good in the armor. I had to remake my character to get the armor to look good after a year of trying to figure out what felt off ... I hope some day in the future something gets slightly tweaked and maybe make thick Sylvari... Hunky .... and not look like someone changed the resolution on the screen on their butt...