Miragen.6127

A better way to disagree is to give an actual opinion or argument as to why you disagree with something.. just disagreeing without explaining why is entirely pointless.

Because tons of people already use Steam for all their other games anyways so it's nice to be able to have it be in that list as it allows them to still use Steam features like the friends list as well as the community pages, screenshots and all that. Of course it was mainly appealing for Anet to advertise it to millions of people on this platform as they generally do a bad job at advertising the game, sadly they once again did a bad job at advertising the game and decided to celebrate the 10 year anniversary by offering nothing to these new players so they ruined a good opportunity to get a bunch of new players into the game by being greedy.

Value really doesn't hold infinitely, you can't say that games from 10 years ago are as valuable as they were at the time because it's the same experience.. would you buy a Playstation 1 for full retail and pay $60 or whatever for games because it offers the same experience as it did back then? No, because that experience is tied to the time period it was released in, it was the peak of gaming at the time, but now has been surpassed by everything and it's dated. Guild wars 2 in 2012 was more special, FF14, ESO, New World and all those things did not exist.. WoW was probably at it's peak and GW2 offered something new, different and fresh compared to what was out there.. however in 2022 what it offers really isn't as special.

Those games are generally not MMOs and it's optional content, not being able to play a certain nation in Civ 6 is not the same thing as not owning an expansion in an MMO. Try playing the free trial of GW2 and tell me that there is no need to buy the expansions, tell me how fun it is to play in base game areas by yourself most of the time, where you cannot play with anyone else because they're all running around on mounts or roller beetles and they disappear within seconds. Playing in empty zones, doing events by yourself very often because of the low player activity in those zones.

Yeah, that is basically the answer I expected.

No one is willing to accept this though, almost every person arguing against all and any form of criticism of this game and Anet are 10-15y veterans that refuse to acknowledge issues. I said the same thing about how there should have been a sale with the Steam release but the arguments mostly just ended with people telling me to stop playing the game.

Man, this community.

Sounds great for new players to get stomped in PvP for weeks or months earning that money then, bet they're all excited at this prospect.

You as a what, brand new player who has no idea or a 10 year veteran or whatever who has all the expansions, content, done everything and who knows all the best spots?

Nice gatekeeping buddy, you got stuff for free but then tell others to pay up.. keep it up.

Feels like a lot of people are just gatekeeping ' I paid this much money so you should also pay this much' even though some of the content is many many years old. Just hope to find people like that when I want to sell a 10 year old car and they'll be willing to spend the 2012 price for it.

I don't think that.

It removes F2P limitations, sure.. but that's not what I meant.

Pretty sure that is mentioned a lot? But people don't present it fairly where WoW costs thousands but GW2 is free and the cash shop has zero downsides. Yeah, both can use the in game currency to avoid having to pay money, but then the justification for the $100 is less sound. I don't know if they are running promotions, you tell me, clearly nothing about that is indicated on their website so I can only assume they do a poor job at communicating that, but I also don't really see how that helps, heroic edition doesn't include a whole lot.

Yeah, because the game is perfect and you need to be a kitten to anyone who disagrees, I get it.

I haven't deleted anything, that's not even an option.. not that it matters as there never was a post where I said you cannot do that.

The cost isn't there, but there is also not a lot of value and a lot of limitations, don't think people realize how long 10 years is.

Talking about materials here, which I don't think qualifies as junk. If you say so. You just get an incomplete story until you finance the living world stuff, which is absurd that it's not part of the expansions.

That's really just assuming the very worst case scenario to make it seem as bad as possible, you pay for the latest expansions and a monthly subscription but from there you can use the in-game currency to avoid paying monthly fees, making your yearly cost to play like $30 with how often the expansions come out if you wanted to. Also saying they both have a cash shop despite one, to my knowledge, being fully cosmetic and the other being utility, convenience and cosmetic, it's not a fair comparison.

I mean it obviously should, if it's going to or not is debatable but you cannot justify a cash shop like this paired with a monthly subscription as they both serve the same purpose. The point there is that the entry cost is very steep or you're stuck playing the old base game that has not been updated in a decade and GW2 cost is only appealing in the long term. You can sell stuff to compensate for the lack of storage space but then eventually you end up having to buy it later on when you actually need it, which is the same as just throwing away money.

Your assumption was presented as fact, and 'the fact' is again your assumption. Saying I don't think it's true I cannot convert gold to gems is neither assumption nor fact but an outright lie really. .And my whole argument was about the lack of a discount during a 10 year celebration and Steam release, I don't know what you are even arguing at this point.

It's not voicing it a 110 times, it's voicing an opinion and then engaging in a discussion with people who are willing to do so.. you'd be surprised how quickly those numbers go up when you actually interact with people and engage in a discussion instead of leaving a 'confused' reaction in lieu of an actual counter argument as appears to be the standard around here. And no I did not 'judge my entire experience on a forum', but you wouldn't know that either way, although it didn't stop you from making a baseless assumption regardless it seems, despite not having a clue as to how much I have invested in the game. Seems it's a concept beyond grasping for a lot of people here that you can argue for the best interest of the game and other players rather than just themselves, which is surprising, especially in the case of the LW and how they want people to pay for it despite getting it for free themselves in many cases, or how they paid full price for the expansions and the base game and so everyone should do it many many years later.

How are those days gone? WoW is still the exact same in being able to pay a subscription fee and get everything, or you earn gold and buy a subscription for in game gold and play for free, you can even use in game gold to purchase the expansions, so you can play for free entirely.. of course people won't acknowledge that. New world is even better in that regard with currently a $20 price and no subscription or convenience items, FF14 also works fine with a subscription based model for full access. Then there will be dozens of free to play MMOs with a similar cash shop as GW2, just without the $100 entry cost. Either way I never said this model is outright bad, I'm arguing with people who are suggesting that the cash shop is completely without downsides and not a compromise for the lack of other sources of income. Yeah if you plan on investing years into the game then the GW2 cost might be more appealing, but a lot of people just hop from game to game and check them out for a number of months, for which GW2 is not appealing.

Well, not everyone has the same experience or the same expectations.

I came to the forum to voice my opinion on the matter, but I understand that in the Guild wars 2 community criticism is just dismissed as complaining, and something that makes me a hater, a hateful person who should not play the game, move on and who will not be missed. At least I can say that due to the warm welcome I also won't miss the community in that case.