Lethion.8745

Mesmer mantras terrible. You never want to use all charges to gain casting effect on mantras as mesmer.

I thought it would keep working like it did before the update.

Mesmer Mantras were finally somewhat useful. Please bring heal on ammo usage to Restorative Mantras. It's completely useless right now.

Well, in my country, we say "Hope is poorman's food."

Expecting anything about Mesmer to make sense would be too much

Don't worry, you will never need those wells for what they actually do in PvE.

That's the neat part. You don't.

I am sorry but I don't think second dodge will ever come back or Mirage will be above average outside of PvE in general. Both devs and players have insane bias against Mesmer that can only be competed by Thief, (espacially against Mirage) Yes, there was a time where Mirage was broken and unfortunetly people doesn't seem to be able to get over it. Maybe in next 10 years after everyone forget what Mirage once was, we can see some improvements.

Well... I was wrong

I know this is what most likely will happen but considering that Lost Time is completely useless right now, it's still a big win IMO. Also they've talked about range and difficulty of applying Quickness which gives me hope that they might make some changes to Wells.

Man... You guys are as cheerful as a graveyard. Have some faith

Dude, I can't believe they've actually listened to us. I wasn't expecting this to happen at all. I'm gonna die from happines.

I can't believe we are discussing if Power Mirage and Condi Virtuoso is viable.

If you haven't heard, Twitch streamer MightyTeapot held a open comunity PvP tourmanent with high gold prize and title reward recently. Many prestigious montly AT teams have joined as well as some rogue groups. Someone has shared the statistics of the tournament in this Reddit post. As you can see, Mesmer is among the least played professions. In EU, it's the second least played profession after Warrior. However, while Warrior did win every match it has appeared, Mesmer also has very negative winrate of around 30%, tied in the lowest winrate with Elementalist and Engineer. It's way worse in NA. In NA matches, Mesmer was the least played profession and not only that, but it also LOST EVERY SINGLE MATCH it has appeared. If someone shows up and dares to say 'But these are pro-players, this doesn't refletct Solo Ranked', remember that there were also rogue groups in the tourney which made it to the finals. Also, there is no profession that is performing well in the statistics but underperforming in Ranked. Average numbers of Necromancers and Guardians per match are above 2 and they are also the strongest classes in the Ranked right now. Maybe it's time that Anet has turned a deaf ear to the complaints of those who play PvP for daily rewards and has started listening to the actual PvP veterans.

Unfortunetly I don't think anything will change in mechanical stanpoint for Virtuoso. It's exactly what the community has wanted for Mesmer: Does absouletely nothing but damage.

I was expecting to see a "give X in return" part at the end. If you truly think this is a fix to Mesmer, 1) you must either be thinking Mesmer is overpowered or 2) you don't fully understand what suggesting a fix means. 1) If it's the first case, that's completely wrong. The changes you've mentioned are about PvP and Mesmer is only strong below Gold rank. That shouldn't be the basis for balance since those ranks consists of players who plays PvP only for rewards or just for the sake of it. Anyone who actually takes PvP seriously (no matter how bad they are) will be placed in Gold and balancing needs to be done taking those players into consideration. 2) If it's second case, none of your ideas are terrible on their own. But you should bring an argument on what can be done to replace those abilities. It easy to completely remove something that is deemed to problematic from a class. The real hard part is to figure out what could take it it's place. That's exactly why everyone was furious when Anet completely disabled a trait from a Mesmer and didn't put anything else in it's place. We have played with 1 less trait for months. On their side, Anet did that because they couldn't find what to put in it's place. As I said, that's the actual difficult part and if you want bring up a fix for class, you should think of what can be done to keep it still playable as well. Now, you did suggest some compensating changes on your own terms but all of them are just nerfed version of the original mechanic. Instead of taking the power from somewhere and putting it somewhere else while maintaining the total power budget, you are straight up reducing the total power budget.

I disagree with that. Having Alacrity only on Chrono means that you have to have Chrono in every single end-game squad. Anet also has realized that this approach is very limiting to the players and reworking Warrior Banners and Druid Spirits as well. What they needed to do is to keep Chrono's ability to give Alacrity. If they are so determined to seperate supports into Quickness and Alacrity givers, they could have just force Chronos to choose one so they won't be able to give both. It can be very easily accomplished by placing main Alacrity giving trait in the same column as Seize the Moment.

I think the main reason is Condi Virtuoso stocks blade incredibly faster than Power Virtuoso. Infinit Forge is too slow and if gets buff Power might see play too.

Or make it so that Lost Time gives group Alac. You know, the trait that absouletly no one ever uses.

Yes, Mesmer is not in a good spot, but it's not gonna change earlier than June. In low Gold and below, I recommend going full damage because people won't know how to deal with your burst. In higher ranks, picking Power Block Mirage and play like a roaming CC bot is probably your best bet.

There is also a trait in Chaos that others forgot to mention. It increases condi damage significantly while you have a staff equipped.

If they hide the daggers Virtuoso playrate will drop like 50%.

I know. OP said he is asking for PvP and Open World.

The OP is asking for Open World and PvP, not for Raiding.

That's the dumbest thing I've ever read in this forum.