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We can close the thread, it was confirmed wing 1 was both Embolden & CotM. The CotM buff on the bar is overridden by Embolden. Thanks!

Just park it in Bjoras march large chest or Crystal Oasis jumping puzzle.

Right? Really confused on this one.

I see the patch notes, but was curious. Was it intended for this to only be on one Raid Wing now? Could we not have 2 rotating COTM wings instead of 1? I realize Embolden is a thing now, but if this was intended, feels bad to penalize players for raiding.

1 out of 10. For a variety of reasons.

In addition to the above- please change Lethal Tempo to 20%, and instead of the other Trait being 120 power, make it 180 or 200. Culling power willbender to make condi wb a thing isn't a great decision. Other than that things are looking much better!

Please fix greatsword 3 range (bugged), please increase damage on Archemorus Spear (very weak), please add cc on gs 3 or 5, and please tweak the numbers a bit to make this power spec viable and competitive with other power specs like Catalyst (55k on large hitbozes) and Virtuoso (39-40k). We want to be able to justify having 1 dodge to utilize and an additional legend swap mechanic to keep track of (or not). Other than that this is a really good change, and a really solid step in the right direction!

If greatsword got some cc ability and the archemorus spear elite dmg was buffed, Vindicator would be in a really good spot. Very good changes already though.

I never said it was going to be perfect. We have another beta before final changes are made before launch. Personally, I was going to play open world as well as raids regardless of what the launch result was. I have been waiting for greatsword for years. Do I want vind to hit 39 or 40k? Yes. Do I want it to be better at open world, or wvw/pvp - sure, but I dont really play the latter. All I am saying is it's in a better place that what it was. The person I was replying to was trying to say it could be 'op' before we even see the changes live. Like it needed to be nerfed after it was put in a good place. I want what you want.

Access to tools =/= op ability to use them. The fact that the energy levels are higher is an automatic balancing decision that will not make it 'op.' What is more worrisome (imo at least) is the fact that Vindicator has literally just gotten some changes to make it viable and take it out of mediocrity, and people are saying its' 'scary.' It's going to be in a much better place.

I'm just glad we are getting a focus on power damage here for the next beta. Condi dps may not be existent for this spec, but with these changes, I'm optimistic we can get 34-36k on average. If we get that I think alot of rev players will be happy. Rev has tons of support and condi dps options already. Asking for crazy good dps, heals and sustain for one spec is unreasonable and not good balancing.

The changes are definitely a step in the right direction. Give gs5 some cc, make spear actually do damage and up some of the numbers on auto and gs 2 attacks. That's all I want

I asked you that question because you spoke for anet. Noone else here did. I stated facts. Noone here also is able to force anet to do anything, including having a beta or even a forums for that matter to collect feedback on this spec( do you see the circular reasoning this brings up?). Those are facts. Then why do they do all of the above before release? Here's another fact. One cant invalidate the opinions of others or the precedents that have been set by anet. This is the reason we have these discussions and look to make improvements or adjustments as needed. But please keep telling other people they are wrong and you are right for expressing feedback and opinions. Guess we will have to wait and see as usual what Anet does.

How do you know exactly what they want to accomplish with Vindicator? Please share with us your insider knowledge at Anet. This reasoning is circular and vague and best - what reason do any of the current high tier pve dps function as as such? Nothing in the game requires Firebrand or Scourge to be one of the highest condi specs in the game right now, but anet made them that way. Theres plenty of other specs that could be in the trash can in that area, or at the top tier pve level. We could go in tons of different directions with that line of conversation. Moreover there are quite a few feedback posts showing that this spec is underwhelming, and not really executing what the spec was promoted to be: a high dmg dps class with a unique dodge and an innovative legend mechanic. The reality was far different. As an example, it's the 2nd or 3rd lowest damage spec. Catalyst even beats it. I am not going into the other myriad of issues this spec has, OP has done a good job of that , just using that as one example of the underwhelming execution of the Vindicator. He also said something true: it doesnt fill a role in PVE that isnt already filled - by another rev spec or any other class in the game. Which is true. You can debate whether or not it should, but you cant deny his or other rev players opinions on this. Nothing is final and skills/themes can be tweaked, edited and tuned differently to accomplish whatever anet wants to do. I am optimistic they see the data and the feedback and testing and make the appropriate decisions. This is what a beta is for obviously. Imo OP wants the Vind to be a high tier dps option, as well as a viable support option. This means that it can compete with power ren (or be better), stay with boon herald or alac ren, which seems to line with the intentions of the traits. I dont think that's much to ask and with the way betas work in the past, we will hopefully see some numbers tuned up and traits/skills edited to show that. You would have to ignore 9 yrs of game experience to think that they absolutely wont listen to the feedback of the players on any aspect of any spec. You may be surprised.

Agree to disagree. For open world sure and greatsword looks great (for open world only). But anywhere outside of there, slow attacks, low damage, non existent cc, bugged skill and jump, awful elites, sloppy trait lines, with a dodge that costs 150 endurance that you can be knocked out of? An awful f2 mish mash of damage / support that doesnt give you options to lock in Archy or St. Viktor Alliance respectively? And that's the best elite spec? No, sorry but it needs a lot of updates and attention. It has a lot of good potential but it's implementation needs some serious focus from anet. Thief, Engy and Mesmer functionally and thematically are way better from a design and operational standpoint. Very creative and well thought out from concept and trait wise. Keep in mind all three blow both Vind and Cata out of the water in those areas. Any other game mode outside of ow, you're better off playing catalyst. Including raids. Cata has major issues but at least it does much better dps than Vindicator. And you keep your dodges. Vindicator was a perfect example of a great idea and really subpar execution. This all coming from someone who wanted greatsword for Rev for years, so bummed to see what we got so far. I want it to be good and I still hope for both specs though.