Amaranthe.3578

That will not be an improvement, I saw this crap in my years of playing WoW and it doesn't help

Seems legit.

PLEASE don't listen to this person

I strongly agree

That is just ridiculous, if they can't make the kitten thing work they should just change it to something else.

It seems like most of the time whenever I use grand finale it doesnt actually throw all 4 orbs and instead throws only 3 or 2, despite the fact 4 of them are active O_o Is this a known issue?

Please add a race change tonic, an item that would allow me to take the form of a charr/human/sylvari to temporarily change race would be amazing

I wonder why they aren't doing it, could he pretty profitable

I know that giving us race changes is impossible/too much work for a-net. Can we at least get a tonic that transforms us to a certain race?(It can give random features each transformation for all I care)I would definitely buy it from the gem store

Raiding with PUGs is more challenging and theoretically adds a social aspect, since you have to familiarize yourself with new people. I know that's not what some raiders want, they just want to be rewarded ;) The actual top problem is fun. If people don't enjoy something, they just don't do it. Not that hard to grasp. No, raiding with pugs is a waste of time. PUGs aren't willing to go to voicecom, insist on ridiculously specific comps to make the raid go as smooth as possible and avoid mechanics, if you invest time in teaching them its a waste since you probably wont see em again.Adds a social aspect? Are you joking? Raiding with your guild gives you the best social experience since you actually coordinate and communicate.PUGs unwillingness to cooperate is not an added challange, its a pain in the rear.Raids are not supposed to be done with PUGS. Especially if you're still learning the fight. Not in GW2, not in WoW and not in any game I've ever seen.Your comment seems so absurd to me I get the feeling you're just saying absurd things simply to disagree. Cheers. People are Pugging just fine. If you dislike Pugging so much, then just don't do it. Make your own groups. But don't tell other players how to play, that's ridiculous.I like pugging because it lets you meet new people and for the increased challenge, you may disagree, but it doesn't change the fact that raiding in a PUG adds a layer of difficulty. WoW is also just fine with PUGs, just look at Classic and MC.Pugging needs more coordination and communication, since you're not already a familiarised team. Your comment seems so absurd to me I get the feeling you're just saying absurd things simply to disagree. Cheers.You're either trolling or too dim to have a discussion with. I won't bother anymore. Back to the personal insults. I didn't expect anything less. It's obvious to me you just don't like when people have a differen't opinion than you. Actually, I don't like people who don't address anything I say and just keep repeating the same nonsense. Can't say I expected anything more from you. Being dim is not an insult, some people are just dim... it's human nature. Your only argument was that PUGs are bad. I said PUGs are challenging and you disagreed. You didn't even address the "fun" part. If anyone just keeps repeating the same nonsense, it's you. It also doesn't help that you're trying to play down personal insults. I listed a whole block of reasons WHY pugs are not fun. But you don't address them and keep spewing the same nonsense. Because your whole block of "reasons" boils down to PUGs being a "pain in the rear." and "not intended" for raiding. There's nothing to adress there. I just disagree with that notion.Calling my comment "absurd" didn't really invite to a healthy conversation. Calling my posts nonsense doesn't help either. No it doesn't. Each reason addresses a different problem with pugs. Your need to simply dismiss them doesn't help. It's like you're just trying to push your opinion, instead of trying to actually listen to others. Not that I'm shocked by that, it seems you do that regularly on these forums. Atleast I don't dismiss someone elses opinion ;) To you they are, I enjoy PUGs sometimes. Time spent while doing fun activities isn't wasted time imo. Trying to force people to do something they don't like isn't the best way to do things. You could just create your own group and state that voicecoms are a must for the PUG, or just create a Guildgroup from the start. No need to even interact with them if you don't want to. Raiding with a Guild or a PUG doesn't change the encounter. The same amount of coordination and communication is needed. Whereas you can meet new people in PUGs, you won't meet them in statics, unless some are new to the static. It is an added challenge. Getting Group cohesion and cooperation right is a challenge in itself. Yet GW2 and WoW raids are being pugged all the time, even if you're still learning the fight. WoW also allows to learn the fight through lower difficulties that are made for PUGs (LFR) In the end it boils down to you not liking PUGs and their added challenge. @Raknar.4735 said: Raiding with PUGs is more challenging and theoretically adds a social aspect, since you have to familiarize yourself with new people. I know that's not what some raiders want, they just want to be rewarded ;) The actual top problem is fun. If people don't enjoy something, they just don't do it. Not that hard to grasp. No, raiding with pugs is a waste of time. PUGs aren't willing to go to voicecom, insist on ridiculously specific comps to make the raid go as smooth as possible and avoid mechanics, if you invest time in teaching them its a waste since you probably wont see em again.Adds a social aspect? Are you joking? Raiding with your guild gives you the best social experience since you actually coordinate and communicate.PUGs unwillingness to cooperate is not an added challange, its a pain in the rear.Raids are not supposed to be done with PUGS. Especially if you're still learning the fight. Not in GW2, not in WoW and not in any game I've ever seen.Your comment seems so absurd to me I get the feeling you're just saying absurd things simply to disagree. Cheers. People are Pugging just fine. If you dislike Pugging so much, then just don't do it. Make your own groups. But don't tell other players how to play, that's ridiculous.I like pugging because it lets you meet new people and for the increased challenge, you may disagree, but it doesn't change the fact that raiding in a PUG adds a layer of difficulty. WoW is also just fine with PUGs, just look at Classic and MC.Pugging needs more coordination and communication, since you're not already a familiarised team. Your comment seems so absurd to me I get the feeling you're just saying absurd things simply to disagree. Cheers.You're either trolling or too dim to have a discussion with. I won't bother anymore. Back to the personal insults. I didn't expect anything less. It's obvious to me you just don't like when people have a differen't opinion than you. Actually, I don't like people who don't address anything I say and just keep repeating the same nonsense. Can't say I expected anything more from you. Being dim is not an insult, some people are just dim... it's human nature. Your only argument was that PUGs are bad. I said PUGs are challenging and you disagreed. You didn't even address the "fun" part. If anyone just keeps repeating the same nonsense, it's you. It also doesn't help that you're trying to play down personal insults. I listed a whole block of reasons WHY pugs are not fun. But you don't address them and keep spewing the same nonsense. Because your whole block of "reasons" boils down to PUGs being a "pain in the rear." and "not intended" for raiding. There's nothing to adress there. I just disagree with that notion.Calling my comment "absurd" didn't really invite to a healthy conversation. Calling my posts nonsense doesn't help either. No it doesn't. Each reason addresses a different problem with pugs. Your need to simply dismiss them doesn't help. It's like you're just trying to push your opinion, instead of trying to actually listen to others. Not that I'm shocked by that, it seems you do that regularly on these forums. Atleast I don't dismiss someone elses opinion ;) To you they are, I enjoy PUGs sometimes. Time spent while doing fun activities isn't wasted time imo. Trying to force people to do something they don't like isn't the best way to do things. You could just create your own group and state that voicecoms are a must for the PUG, or just create a Guildgroup from the start. No need to even interact with them if you don't want to. Raiding with a Guild or a PUG doesn't change the encounter. The same amount of coordination and communication is needed. Whereas you can meet new people in PUGs, you won't meet them in statics, unless some are new to the static. It is an added challenge. Getting Group cohesion and cooperation right is a challenge in itself. Yet GW2 and WoW raids are being pugged all the time, even if you're still learning the fight. WoW also allows to learn the fight through lower difficulties that are made for PUGs (LFR) In the end it boils down to you not liking PUGs and their added challenge. I get now where you're coming from, somewhat. The thing is, I really see pugs as a handicap rather than a challange. You might say a handicap can be a challange and I agree but I don't think its the case here, definitely not for me.I will try giving a parallel here, I'm not that good with then so I hope I will get my point across.Let's say that running is a challange. You can practice as you normally would or you can try running on one leg. Is it really a challange? Do you actually improve by handicapping yourself? I don't think so. Well, that doesn't really qualify as running anymore. But maybe you're trying to beat a one-legged run record.Like doing a no dodge/no hit only fists challenge in Dark Souls is handicapping yourself, but it still counts as a challenge since it increases difficulty. Same goes for Lvl 1 runs. PUGs that don't have a lot of DPS could not do Gorseval without phasing him instantly, so you'd have to do mechanics. Things like that do increase the challenge. A coordinated group would just burn him down. But are you improving your running skills by handicapping yourself? Absolutely not.Is being wheelchair bound a challange? No, it's a handicap.From my experience PUGs ignore mechanics, low DPS is not the issue. PUGs insist on meta comps to try and rush mechanics. On a coordinated group you can actually play what you like and easily clear the raid with exotics. You're not improving your running skills, but your one legged running skills. A no dodge/no hit challenge doesn't increase your Dark Souls dodge timing skills, but other aspects.Being bound to a wheelchair allows you to learn how to efficiently use the wheelchair and make the best of the situation. Someone bound to it also doesn't have the option to just stand up and run, like you would have by just not choosing to PUG.In my experience DPS and mechanics both are the issue in PUGs. A coordinated group can just push DPS hard and ignore mechanics. Are you being abtuth on purpose lol? Being wheelchair bound is a handicap. Do you know a paraplegic who would pass on a cure? I dont think so. I don't think he would pass on a cure, but he also doesn't have the choice to walk on two legs. Someone in my social vicinity I interact quite often with is bound to a wheelchair. Of course it is a handicap for that person, but they didn't choose to have the disability. I don't even see how you can compare something you're forced in to a PUG you aren't forced to be a part of. That's kinda my point here, many people complain that raids are too hard, that the raiding community are a bunch of elitist zealouts and whatnot. All while insisting on raiding with pugs, which is basically raiding with a handicap. Or maybe they just aren't fun to them, because they dislike that type of content. I've pugged and raided with a guild myself. I'd still say that raids are unfun, not hard. The only hard part about raids is outside of raids. Finding the time, finding the right people etc.. They clearly say that raids are way too hard and all the other things I said. I don't say that, they do. Yeah, they also clearly state that they just dislike raiding. So what is their problem? If they dont like raiding they shouldn't raid xD. What do they want then? Legendary armor from open world content? There is no other form of challanging content in PvE besides raids/fractals. Funny thing you said that, that is actually what they do, hence "the small audience they attract". But Anet for some reason still tries to push for that type of instanced content, now via Strikes. Raids and fractals aren't challenging content, just dance routines. PvP and WvW is where the challenge is :P Crazy Arena net listening to the players and taking them at their word when they say raids are too hard for them. They aren't actually listening to the players, just evaluating some of their metrics that show that only a small audience plays raids. Fractals seem to be in a healthier state.I don't think they've found the right conclusion though. I'm very sceptical of their decision to use SMs as a bridge to raids.I don't think its the right solution too. I think the obvious conclusion that some sort of bridge is needed comes from the massive DPS difference between the average player and the good players . The right solution is adding challenge along the way so that people dont just roflstomp all the open world content with autoattacks. Notice that the OP basically says that people don't raid because they are too hard and too toxic lol.

Raiding with PUGs is more challenging and theoretically adds a social aspect, since you have to familiarize yourself with new people. I know that's not what some raiders want, they just want to be rewarded ;) The actual top problem is fun. If people don't enjoy something, they just don't do it. Not that hard to grasp. No, raiding with pugs is a waste of time. PUGs aren't willing to go to voicecom, insist on ridiculously specific comps to make the raid go as smooth as possible and avoid mechanics, if you invest time in teaching them its a waste since you probably wont see em again.Adds a social aspect? Are you joking? Raiding with your guild gives you the best social experience since you actually coordinate and communicate.PUGs unwillingness to cooperate is not an added challange, its a pain in the rear.Raids are not supposed to be done with PUGS. Especially if you're still learning the fight. Not in GW2, not in WoW and not in any game I've ever seen.Your comment seems so absurd to me I get the feeling you're just saying absurd things simply to disagree. Cheers. People are Pugging just fine. If you dislike Pugging so much, then just don't do it. Make your own groups. But don't tell other players how to play, that's ridiculous.I like pugging because it lets you meet new people and for the increased challenge, you may disagree, but it doesn't change the fact that raiding in a PUG adds a layer of difficulty. WoW is also just fine with PUGs, just look at Classic and MC.Pugging needs more coordination and communication, since you're not already a familiarised team. Your comment seems so absurd to me I get the feeling you're just saying absurd things simply to disagree. Cheers.You're either trolling or too dim to have a discussion with. I won't bother anymore. Back to the personal insults. I didn't expect anything less. It's obvious to me you just don't like when people have a differen't opinion than you. Actually, I don't like people who don't address anything I say and just keep repeating the same nonsense. Can't say I expected anything more from you. Being dim is not an insult, some people are just dim... it's human nature. Your only argument was that PUGs are bad. I said PUGs are challenging and you disagreed. You didn't even address the "fun" part. If anyone just keeps repeating the same nonsense, it's you. It also doesn't help that you're trying to play down personal insults. I listed a whole block of reasons WHY pugs are not fun. But you don't address them and keep spewing the same nonsense. Because your whole block of "reasons" boils down to PUGs being a "pain in the rear." and "not intended" for raiding. There's nothing to adress there. I just disagree with that notion.Calling my comment "absurd" didn't really invite to a healthy conversation. Calling my posts nonsense doesn't help either. No it doesn't. Each reason addresses a different problem with pugs. Your need to simply dismiss them doesn't help. It's like you're just trying to push your opinion, instead of trying to actually listen to others. Not that I'm shocked by that, it seems you do that regularly on these forums. Atleast I don't dismiss someone elses opinion ;) To you they are, I enjoy PUGs sometimes. Time spent while doing fun activities isn't wasted time imo. Trying to force people to do something they don't like isn't the best way to do things. You could just create your own group and state that voicecoms are a must for the PUG, or just create a Guildgroup from the start. No need to even interact with them if you don't want to. Raiding with a Guild or a PUG doesn't change the encounter. The same amount of coordination and communication is needed. Whereas you can meet new people in PUGs, you won't meet them in statics, unless some are new to the static. It is an added challenge. Getting Group cohesion and cooperation right is a challenge in itself. Yet GW2 and WoW raids are being pugged all the time, even if you're still learning the fight. WoW also allows to learn the fight through lower difficulties that are made for PUGs (LFR) In the end it boils down to you not liking PUGs and their added challenge. @Raknar.4735 said: Raiding with PUGs is more challenging and theoretically adds a social aspect, since you have to familiarize yourself with new people. I know that's not what some raiders want, they just want to be rewarded ;) The actual top problem is fun. If people don't enjoy something, they just don't do it. Not that hard to grasp. No, raiding with pugs is a waste of time. PUGs aren't willing to go to voicecom, insist on ridiculously specific comps to make the raid go as smooth as possible and avoid mechanics, if you invest time in teaching them its a waste since you probably wont see em again.Adds a social aspect? Are you joking? Raiding with your guild gives you the best social experience since you actually coordinate and communicate.PUGs unwillingness to cooperate is not an added challange, its a pain in the rear.Raids are not supposed to be done with PUGS. Especially if you're still learning the fight. Not in GW2, not in WoW and not in any game I've ever seen.Your comment seems so absurd to me I get the feeling you're just saying absurd things simply to disagree. Cheers. People are Pugging just fine. If you dislike Pugging so much, then just don't do it. Make your own groups. But don't tell other players how to play, that's ridiculous.I like pugging because it lets you meet new people and for the increased challenge, you may disagree, but it doesn't change the fact that raiding in a PUG adds a layer of difficulty. WoW is also just fine with PUGs, just look at Classic and MC.Pugging needs more coordination and communication, since you're not already a familiarised team. Your comment seems so absurd to me I get the feeling you're just saying absurd things simply to disagree. Cheers.You're either trolling or too dim to have a discussion with. I won't bother anymore. Back to the personal insults. I didn't expect anything less. It's obvious to me you just don't like when people have a differen't opinion than you. Actually, I don't like people who don't address anything I say and just keep repeating the same nonsense. Can't say I expected anything more from you. Being dim is not an insult, some people are just dim... it's human nature. Your only argument was that PUGs are bad. I said PUGs are challenging and you disagreed. You didn't even address the "fun" part. If anyone just keeps repeating the same nonsense, it's you. It also doesn't help that you're trying to play down personal insults. I listed a whole block of reasons WHY pugs are not fun. But you don't address them and keep spewing the same nonsense. Because your whole block of "reasons" boils down to PUGs being a "pain in the rear." and "not intended" for raiding. There's nothing to adress there. I just disagree with that notion.Calling my comment "absurd" didn't really invite to a healthy conversation. Calling my posts nonsense doesn't help either. No it doesn't. Each reason addresses a different problem with pugs. Your need to simply dismiss them doesn't help. It's like you're just trying to push your opinion, instead of trying to actually listen to others. Not that I'm shocked by that, it seems you do that regularly on these forums. Atleast I don't dismiss someone elses opinion ;) To you they are, I enjoy PUGs sometimes. Time spent while doing fun activities isn't wasted time imo. Trying to force people to do something they don't like isn't the best way to do things. You could just create your own group and state that voicecoms are a must for the PUG, or just create a Guildgroup from the start. No need to even interact with them if you don't want to. Raiding with a Guild or a PUG doesn't change the encounter. The same amount of coordination and communication is needed. Whereas you can meet new people in PUGs, you won't meet them in statics, unless some are new to the static. It is an added challenge. Getting Group cohesion and cooperation right is a challenge in itself. Yet GW2 and WoW raids are being pugged all the time, even if you're still learning the fight. WoW also allows to learn the fight through lower difficulties that are made for PUGs (LFR) In the end it boils down to you not liking PUGs and their added challenge. I get now where you're coming from, somewhat. The thing is, I really see pugs as a handicap rather than a challange. You might say a handicap can be a challange and I agree but I don't think its the case here, definitely not for me.I will try giving a parallel here, I'm not that good with then so I hope I will get my point across.Let's say that running is a challange. You can practice as you normally would or you can try running on one leg. Is it really a challange? Do you actually improve by handicapping yourself? I don't think so. Well, that doesn't really qualify as running anymore. But maybe you're trying to beat a one-legged run record.Like doing a no dodge/no hit only fists challenge in Dark Souls is handicapping yourself, but it still counts as a challenge since it increases difficulty. Same goes for Lvl 1 runs. PUGs that don't have a lot of DPS could not do Gorseval without phasing him instantly, so you'd have to do mechanics. Things like that do increase the challenge. A coordinated group would just burn him down. But are you improving your running skills by handicapping yourself? Absolutely not.Is being wheelchair bound a challange? No, it's a handicap.From my experience PUGs ignore mechanics, low DPS is not the issue. PUGs insist on meta comps to try and rush mechanics. On a coordinated group you can actually play what you like and easily clear the raid with exotics. You're not improving your running skills, but your one legged running skills. A no dodge/no hit challenge doesn't increase your Dark Souls dodge timing skills, but other aspects.Being bound to a wheelchair allows you to learn how to efficiently use the wheelchair and make the best of the situation. Someone bound to it also doesn't have the option to just stand up and run, like you would have by just not choosing to PUG.In my experience DPS and mechanics both are the issue in PUGs. A coordinated group can just push DPS hard and ignore mechanics. Are you being abtuth on purpose lol? Being wheelchair bound is a handicap. Do you know a paraplegic who would pass on a cure? I dont think so. I don't think he would pass on a cure, but he also doesn't have the choice to walk on two legs. Someone in my social vicinity I interact quite often with is bound to a wheelchair. Of course it is a handicap for that person, but they didn't choose to have the disability. I don't even see how you can compare something you're forced in to a PUG you aren't forced to be a part of. That's kinda my point here, many people complain that raids are too hard, that the raiding community are a bunch of elitist zealouts and whatnot. All while insisting on raiding with pugs, which is basically raiding with a handicap. Or maybe they just aren't fun to them, because they dislike that type of content. I've pugged and raided with a guild myself. I'd still say that raids are unfun, not hard. The only hard part about raids is outside of raids. Finding the time, finding the right people etc.. They clearly say that raids are way too hard and all the other things I said. I don't say that, they do. Yeah, they also clearly state that they just dislike raiding. So what is their problem? If they dont like raiding they shouldn't raid xD. What do they want then? Legendary armor from open world content? There is no other form of challanging content in PvE besides raids/fractals. Funny thing you said that, that is actually what they do, hence "the small audience they attract". But Anet for some reason still tries to push for that type of instanced content, now via Strikes. Raids and fractals aren't challenging content, just dance routines. PvP and WvW is where the challenge is :PCrazy Arena net listening to the players and taking them at their word when they say raids are too hard for them.

Raiding with PUGs is more challenging and theoretically adds a social aspect, since you have to familiarize yourself with new people. I know that's not what some raiders want, they just want to be rewarded ;) The actual top problem is fun. If people don't enjoy something, they just don't do it. Not that hard to grasp. No, raiding with pugs is a waste of time. PUGs aren't willing to go to voicecom, insist on ridiculously specific comps to make the raid go as smooth as possible and avoid mechanics, if you invest time in teaching them its a waste since you probably wont see em again.Adds a social aspect? Are you joking? Raiding with your guild gives you the best social experience since you actually coordinate and communicate.PUGs unwillingness to cooperate is not an added challange, its a pain in the rear.Raids are not supposed to be done with PUGS. Especially if you're still learning the fight. Not in GW2, not in WoW and not in any game I've ever seen.Your comment seems so absurd to me I get the feeling you're just saying absurd things simply to disagree. Cheers. People are Pugging just fine. If you dislike Pugging so much, then just don't do it. Make your own groups. But don't tell other players how to play, that's ridiculous.I like pugging because it lets you meet new people and for the increased challenge, you may disagree, but it doesn't change the fact that raiding in a PUG adds a layer of difficulty. WoW is also just fine with PUGs, just look at Classic and MC.Pugging needs more coordination and communication, since you're not already a familiarised team. Your comment seems so absurd to me I get the feeling you're just saying absurd things simply to disagree. Cheers.You're either trolling or too dim to have a discussion with. I won't bother anymore. Back to the personal insults. I didn't expect anything less. It's obvious to me you just don't like when people have a differen't opinion than you. Actually, I don't like people who don't address anything I say and just keep repeating the same nonsense. Can't say I expected anything more from you. Being dim is not an insult, some people are just dim... it's human nature. Your only argument was that PUGs are bad. I said PUGs are challenging and you disagreed. You didn't even address the "fun" part. If anyone just keeps repeating the same nonsense, it's you. It also doesn't help that you're trying to play down personal insults. I listed a whole block of reasons WHY pugs are not fun. But you don't address them and keep spewing the same nonsense. Because your whole block of "reasons" boils down to PUGs being a "pain in the rear." and "not intended" for raiding. There's nothing to adress there. I just disagree with that notion.Calling my comment "absurd" didn't really invite to a healthy conversation. Calling my posts nonsense doesn't help either. No it doesn't. Each reason addresses a different problem with pugs. Your need to simply dismiss them doesn't help. It's like you're just trying to push your opinion, instead of trying to actually listen to others. Not that I'm shocked by that, it seems you do that regularly on these forums. Atleast I don't dismiss someone elses opinion ;) To you they are, I enjoy PUGs sometimes. Time spent while doing fun activities isn't wasted time imo. Trying to force people to do something they don't like isn't the best way to do things. You could just create your own group and state that voicecoms are a must for the PUG, or just create a Guildgroup from the start. No need to even interact with them if you don't want to. Raiding with a Guild or a PUG doesn't change the encounter. The same amount of coordination and communication is needed. Whereas you can meet new people in PUGs, you won't meet them in statics, unless some are new to the static. It is an added challenge. Getting Group cohesion and cooperation right is a challenge in itself. Yet GW2 and WoW raids are being pugged all the time, even if you're still learning the fight. WoW also allows to learn the fight through lower difficulties that are made for PUGs (LFR) In the end it boils down to you not liking PUGs and their added challenge. @Raknar.4735 said: Raiding with PUGs is more challenging and theoretically adds a social aspect, since you have to familiarize yourself with new people. I know that's not what some raiders want, they just want to be rewarded ;) The actual top problem is fun. If people don't enjoy something, they just don't do it. Not that hard to grasp. No, raiding with pugs is a waste of time. PUGs aren't willing to go to voicecom, insist on ridiculously specific comps to make the raid go as smooth as possible and avoid mechanics, if you invest time in teaching them its a waste since you probably wont see em again.Adds a social aspect? Are you joking? Raiding with your guild gives you the best social experience since you actually coordinate and communicate.PUGs unwillingness to cooperate is not an added challange, its a pain in the rear.Raids are not supposed to be done with PUGS. Especially if you're still learning the fight. Not in GW2, not in WoW and not in any game I've ever seen.Your comment seems so absurd to me I get the feeling you're just saying absurd things simply to disagree. Cheers. People are Pugging just fine. If you dislike Pugging so much, then just don't do it. Make your own groups. But don't tell other players how to play, that's ridiculous.I like pugging because it lets you meet new people and for the increased challenge, you may disagree, but it doesn't change the fact that raiding in a PUG adds a layer of difficulty. WoW is also just fine with PUGs, just look at Classic and MC.Pugging needs more coordination and communication, since you're not already a familiarised team. Your comment seems so absurd to me I get the feeling you're just saying absurd things simply to disagree. Cheers.You're either trolling or too dim to have a discussion with. I won't bother anymore. Back to the personal insults. I didn't expect anything less. It's obvious to me you just don't like when people have a differen't opinion than you. Actually, I don't like people who don't address anything I say and just keep repeating the same nonsense. Can't say I expected anything more from you. Being dim is not an insult, some people are just dim... it's human nature. Your only argument was that PUGs are bad. I said PUGs are challenging and you disagreed. You didn't even address the "fun" part. If anyone just keeps repeating the same nonsense, it's you. It also doesn't help that you're trying to play down personal insults. I listed a whole block of reasons WHY pugs are not fun. But you don't address them and keep spewing the same nonsense. Because your whole block of "reasons" boils down to PUGs being a "pain in the rear." and "not intended" for raiding. There's nothing to adress there. I just disagree with that notion.Calling my comment "absurd" didn't really invite to a healthy conversation. Calling my posts nonsense doesn't help either. No it doesn't. Each reason addresses a different problem with pugs. Your need to simply dismiss them doesn't help. It's like you're just trying to push your opinion, instead of trying to actually listen to others. Not that I'm shocked by that, it seems you do that regularly on these forums. Atleast I don't dismiss someone elses opinion ;) To you they are, I enjoy PUGs sometimes. Time spent while doing fun activities isn't wasted time imo. Trying to force people to do something they don't like isn't the best way to do things. You could just create your own group and state that voicecoms are a must for the PUG, or just create a Guildgroup from the start. No need to even interact with them if you don't want to. Raiding with a Guild or a PUG doesn't change the encounter. The same amount of coordination and communication is needed. Whereas you can meet new people in PUGs, you won't meet them in statics, unless some are new to the static. It is an added challenge. Getting Group cohesion and cooperation right is a challenge in itself. Yet GW2 and WoW raids are being pugged all the time, even if you're still learning the fight. WoW also allows to learn the fight through lower difficulties that are made for PUGs (LFR) In the end it boils down to you not liking PUGs and their added challenge. I get now where you're coming from, somewhat. The thing is, I really see pugs as a handicap rather than a challange. You might say a handicap can be a challange and I agree but I don't think its the case here, definitely not for me.I will try giving a parallel here, I'm not that good with then so I hope I will get my point across.Let's say that running is a challange. You can practice as you normally would or you can try running on one leg. Is it really a challange? Do you actually improve by handicapping yourself? I don't think so. Well, that doesn't really qualify as running anymore. But maybe you're trying to beat a one-legged run record.Like doing a no dodge/no hit only fists challenge in Dark Souls is handicapping yourself, but it still counts as a challenge since it increases difficulty. Same goes for Lvl 1 runs. PUGs that don't have a lot of DPS could not do Gorseval without phasing him instantly, so you'd have to do mechanics. Things like that do increase the challenge. A coordinated group would just burn him down. But are you improving your running skills by handicapping yourself? Absolutely not.Is being wheelchair bound a challange? No, it's a handicap.From my experience PUGs ignore mechanics, low DPS is not the issue. PUGs insist on meta comps to try and rush mechanics. On a coordinated group you can actually play what you like and easily clear the raid with exotics. You're not improving your running skills, but your one legged running skills. A no dodge/no hit challenge doesn't increase your Dark Souls dodge timing skills, but other aspects.Being bound to a wheelchair allows you to learn how to efficiently use the wheelchair and make the best of the situation. Someone bound to it also doesn't have the option to just stand up and run, like you would have by just not choosing to PUG.In my experience DPS and mechanics both are the issue in PUGs. A coordinated group can just push DPS hard and ignore mechanics. Are you being abtuth on purpose lol? Being wheelchair bound is a handicap. Do you know a paraplegic who would pass on a cure? I dont think so. I don't think he would pass on a cure, but he also doesn't have the choice to walk on two legs. Someone in my social vicinity I interact quite often with is bound to a wheelchair. Of course it is a handicap for that person, but they didn't choose to have the disability. I don't even see how you can compare something you're forced in to a PUG you aren't forced to be a part of. That's kinda my point here, many people complain that raids are too hard, that the raiding community are a bunch of elitist zealouts and whatnot. All while insisting on raiding with pugs, which is basically raiding with a handicap. Or maybe they just aren't fun to them, because they dislike that type of content. I've pugged and raided with a guild myself. I'd still say that raids are unfun, not hard. The only hard part about raids is outside of raids. Finding the time, finding the right people etc.. They clearly say that raids are way too hard and all the other things I said. I don't say that, they do. Yeah, they also clearly state that they just dislike raiding.So what is their problem? If they dont like raiding they shouldn't raid xD. What do they want then? Legendary armor from open world content? There is no other form of challanging content in PvE besides raids/fractals.

That's in another game where Raid is their focus. How will easy mode work for Gw2 raids? Personally, I don't know.I do know however it will create a rift between the 2 modes as its not the same. Fractals 99 & 100 and CM. Strikes and Raids. Same, yet splitted. @Amaranthe.3578 said: It's a really weird statement since even Blizz said that LFR hurt the game. Not to mention the fact that it's the concesus among the players. Mythic has nothing to do with that 0.0, mythic was actually a throwback to traditional raiding. Not that weird of a statement. Barely anyone but the top does Mythic. Not even hardcore players like Asmongold, who I consider one, if not the most invested player in the game, clears current raids in Mythic difficulty. I actually would like to see where Blizz admitted that LFR was a mistake, I guess I missed that post by them. Care to share a link? I'd think they would have removed it by now, if it truly was bad for the game. Edit: Also funny that the creator of Warcraft Logs says the following: https://reddit.com/r/classicwow/comments/f7kajk/there_are_more_raiders_in_classic_than_retail_wcl/That could also be because he has a bias against retail, but idk. I haven't really followed the WoW raiding scene and their drama. Well, that's kinda the whole point of mythic. Don't forget WoW has a gear treadmill so it takes dedication to just get gear for mythic.Btw, classic raiding was much less accessible than raiding in wrath forward so that comment seems weird to me unless he actually means to bash super easy content. Raiding in Classic is very accessible now, since people know about the raids. Only a small amount of people actually raided during Vanilla. MC and BWL are being Pugged all the time. He's specifically bashing the retail raids that are just mechanically hard content instead of a social experience like in the past / in Classic. Asmongold doesn't like LFR, yet he still does it. He also pugged normal difficulty all the time. Yet he doesn't really do Mythic. Says alot about the playrate of that content from a dedicated player. The fact that he does it despite the fact that he doesn't like it, is one of the many reasons it's such a bad thing. When someone does a piece of content even if he hates it just to get a certain reward its a rather bad sign IMHO. Soooo, unique rewards for raiding or any other content is bad? I agree. Everything should be attainable in any gamemode. That way we wouldn't even need a "story mode" for raids. But that's not the issue here. If Asmondgold does Heroic/Normal that means he isn't interested doing raids just for the story, so there shouldn't be a need for him to do LFR. Blizzard however made LFR a part of the gearing ladder, which gw2 doesnt even have, so he does LFR despite the fact that he doesn't like it. It really doesnt have anything to do with the point you made.In GW2 that's not an issue at all, you can get all the things you want from any game mode. Leggy armor can be obtained for wvw and pvp too. But the legendary skins would be a certain reward. The same goes for some other raidskins. In order to get them you would need to do the corresponding raids. There are people that raid just for the skins, even if they aren't interested in doing raids. I don't really see the difference. Yes, one is bound to stats, but that's just because WoW is based on vertical progression. You also don't need LFR gear to do normal raids. There are also multiple ways to get similiar gear with the same iLVL as LFR gear through World Quests and stuff, so you aren't forced to do LFR just to get stats. Well, unique skins to certain forms of content is more than fair IMHO. The difference seems obvious since skins to offer anything mechanically. I think we should have raid skins, pvp skins, wvw skins. In wow you can avoid LFR if you want but the fact that it pulls Heroic and Normal raiders screams bad design. Raids in GW2 also pull people that wouldn't normally raid, or dislike raiding, just for the skins or the easy access to legendary armor, so I'd also call that bad design. I guess we just have a different definition of "certain reward", as I don't restrict it to numerical values/upgrades. Skins, teleportation devices, chairs etc. are also rewards for me that are restricted to certain areas of the game I personally dislike. They do? Why? If you don't like raiding the pvp/wvwvw leggy armor is far easier to get. And you get the utility of the leggy armor.I think unique skins are absolutely a must. I mean, lets say you beat a certain piece of challanging content and you wanna show it, how else would you do it? Seems rather weird that you would get the same reward without the challange. Just the unique pvp titles. Idk, legendary raid armour has always felt easier to get to me than PvP or WvW armour. It's just some scripted dance routine over and over.Also someone that exclusively plays PvE would not have another choice than go for the raid armor.It really just boils down to I've never really felt the need to show off anything to anyone, I only really care about my own character or good looking characters. Like why would they even care? Not like doing a scripted bossfight is something unique. I only really admire people that do truly unique feats, like the Dark Souls challenges I mentioned, or speedrunners. They don't actually get anything for that, just the fame that they've done it. I totally agree on the first part. Yet somehow loads of people complain that raids are too hard. I've also seen plenty of people that claim that raids are unfun and that it has nothing to do with challenge.Maybe, but the vast majority of complaints seem to be that they are too hard and that your average raider is a dickens.

Raiding with PUGs is more challenging and theoretically adds a social aspect, since you have to familiarize yourself with new people. I know that's not what some raiders want, they just want to be rewarded ;) The actual top problem is fun. If people don't enjoy something, they just don't do it. Not that hard to grasp. No, raiding with pugs is a waste of time. PUGs aren't willing to go to voicecom, insist on ridiculously specific comps to make the raid go as smooth as possible and avoid mechanics, if you invest time in teaching them its a waste since you probably wont see em again.Adds a social aspect? Are you joking? Raiding with your guild gives you the best social experience since you actually coordinate and communicate.PUGs unwillingness to cooperate is not an added challange, its a pain in the rear.Raids are not supposed to be done with PUGS. Especially if you're still learning the fight. Not in GW2, not in WoW and not in any game I've ever seen.Your comment seems so absurd to me I get the feeling you're just saying absurd things simply to disagree. Cheers. People are Pugging just fine. If you dislike Pugging so much, then just don't do it. Make your own groups. But don't tell other players how to play, that's ridiculous.I like pugging because it lets you meet new people and for the increased challenge, you may disagree, but it doesn't change the fact that raiding in a PUG adds a layer of difficulty. WoW is also just fine with PUGs, just look at Classic and MC.Pugging needs more coordination and communication, since you're not already a familiarised team. Your comment seems so absurd to me I get the feeling you're just saying absurd things simply to disagree. Cheers.You're either trolling or too dim to have a discussion with. I won't bother anymore. Back to the personal insults. I didn't expect anything less. It's obvious to me you just don't like when people have a differen't opinion than you. Actually, I don't like people who don't address anything I say and just keep repeating the same nonsense. Can't say I expected anything more from you. Being dim is not an insult, some people are just dim... it's human nature. Your only argument was that PUGs are bad. I said PUGs are challenging and you disagreed. You didn't even address the "fun" part. If anyone just keeps repeating the same nonsense, it's you. It also doesn't help that you're trying to play down personal insults. I listed a whole block of reasons WHY pugs are not fun. But you don't address them and keep spewing the same nonsense. Because your whole block of "reasons" boils down to PUGs being a "pain in the rear." and "not intended" for raiding. There's nothing to adress there. I just disagree with that notion.Calling my comment "absurd" didn't really invite to a healthy conversation. Calling my posts nonsense doesn't help either. No it doesn't. Each reason addresses a different problem with pugs. Your need to simply dismiss them doesn't help. It's like you're just trying to push your opinion, instead of trying to actually listen to others. Not that I'm shocked by that, it seems you do that regularly on these forums. Atleast I don't dismiss someone elses opinion ;) To you they are, I enjoy PUGs sometimes. Time spent while doing fun activities isn't wasted time imo. Trying to force people to do something they don't like isn't the best way to do things. You could just create your own group and state that voicecoms are a must for the PUG, or just create a Guildgroup from the start. No need to even interact with them if you don't want to. Raiding with a Guild or a PUG doesn't change the encounter. The same amount of coordination and communication is needed. Whereas you can meet new people in PUGs, you won't meet them in statics, unless some are new to the static. It is an added challenge. Getting Group cohesion and cooperation right is a challenge in itself. Yet GW2 and WoW raids are being pugged all the time, even if you're still learning the fight. WoW also allows to learn the fight through lower difficulties that are made for PUGs (LFR) In the end it boils down to you not liking PUGs and their added challenge. @Raknar.4735 said: Raiding with PUGs is more challenging and theoretically adds a social aspect, since you have to familiarize yourself with new people. I know that's not what some raiders want, they just want to be rewarded ;) The actual top problem is fun. If people don't enjoy something, they just don't do it. Not that hard to grasp. No, raiding with pugs is a waste of time. PUGs aren't willing to go to voicecom, insist on ridiculously specific comps to make the raid go as smooth as possible and avoid mechanics, if you invest time in teaching them its a waste since you probably wont see em again.Adds a social aspect? Are you joking? Raiding with your guild gives you the best social experience since you actually coordinate and communicate.PUGs unwillingness to cooperate is not an added challange, its a pain in the rear.Raids are not supposed to be done with PUGS. Especially if you're still learning the fight. Not in GW2, not in WoW and not in any game I've ever seen.Your comment seems so absurd to me I get the feeling you're just saying absurd things simply to disagree. Cheers. People are Pugging just fine. If you dislike Pugging so much, then just don't do it. Make your own groups. But don't tell other players how to play, that's ridiculous.I like pugging because it lets you meet new people and for the increased challenge, you may disagree, but it doesn't change the fact that raiding in a PUG adds a layer of difficulty. WoW is also just fine with PUGs, just look at Classic and MC.Pugging needs more coordination and communication, since you're not already a familiarised team. Your comment seems so absurd to me I get the feeling you're just saying absurd things simply to disagree. Cheers.You're either trolling or too dim to have a discussion with. I won't bother anymore. Back to the personal insults. I didn't expect anything less. It's obvious to me you just don't like when people have a differen't opinion than you. Actually, I don't like people who don't address anything I say and just keep repeating the same nonsense. Can't say I expected anything more from you. Being dim is not an insult, some people are just dim... it's human nature. Your only argument was that PUGs are bad. I said PUGs are challenging and you disagreed. You didn't even address the "fun" part. If anyone just keeps repeating the same nonsense, it's you. It also doesn't help that you're trying to play down personal insults. I listed a whole block of reasons WHY pugs are not fun. But you don't address them and keep spewing the same nonsense. Because your whole block of "reasons" boils down to PUGs being a "pain in the rear." and "not intended" for raiding. There's nothing to adress there. I just disagree with that notion.Calling my comment "absurd" didn't really invite to a healthy conversation. Calling my posts nonsense doesn't help either. No it doesn't. Each reason addresses a different problem with pugs. Your need to simply dismiss them doesn't help. It's like you're just trying to push your opinion, instead of trying to actually listen to others. Not that I'm shocked by that, it seems you do that regularly on these forums. Atleast I don't dismiss someone elses opinion ;) To you they are, I enjoy PUGs sometimes. Time spent while doing fun activities isn't wasted time imo. Trying to force people to do something they don't like isn't the best way to do things. You could just create your own group and state that voicecoms are a must for the PUG, or just create a Guildgroup from the start. No need to even interact with them if you don't want to. Raiding with a Guild or a PUG doesn't change the encounter. The same amount of coordination and communication is needed. Whereas you can meet new people in PUGs, you won't meet them in statics, unless some are new to the static. It is an added challenge. Getting Group cohesion and cooperation right is a challenge in itself. Yet GW2 and WoW raids are being pugged all the time, even if you're still learning the fight. WoW also allows to learn the fight through lower difficulties that are made for PUGs (LFR) In the end it boils down to you not liking PUGs and their added challenge. I get now where you're coming from, somewhat. The thing is, I really see pugs as a handicap rather than a challange. You might say a handicap can be a challange and I agree but I don't think its the case here, definitely not for me.I will try giving a parallel here, I'm not that good with then so I hope I will get my point across.Let's say that running is a challange. You can practice as you normally would or you can try running on one leg. Is it really a challange? Do you actually improve by handicapping yourself? I don't think so. Well, that doesn't really qualify as running anymore. But maybe you're trying to beat a one-legged run record.Like doing a no dodge/no hit only fists challenge in Dark Souls is handicapping yourself, but it still counts as a challenge since it increases difficulty. Same goes for Lvl 1 runs. PUGs that don't have a lot of DPS could not do Gorseval without phasing him instantly, so you'd have to do mechanics. Things like that do increase the challenge. A coordinated group would just burn him down. But are you improving your running skills by handicapping yourself? Absolutely not.Is being wheelchair bound a challange? No, it's a handicap.From my experience PUGs ignore mechanics, low DPS is not the issue. PUGs insist on meta comps to try and rush mechanics. On a coordinated group you can actually play what you like and easily clear the raid with exotics. You're not improving your running skills, but your one legged running skills. A no dodge/no hit challenge doesn't increase your Dark Souls dodge timing skills, but other aspects.Being bound to a wheelchair allows you to learn how to efficiently use the wheelchair and make the best of the situation. Someone bound to it also doesn't have the option to just stand up and run, like you would have by just not choosing to PUG.In my experience DPS and mechanics both are the issue in PUGs. A coordinated group can just push DPS hard and ignore mechanics. Are you being abtuth on purpose lol? Being wheelchair bound is a handicap. Do you know a paraplegic who would pass on a cure? I dont think so. I don't think he would pass on a cure, but he also doesn't have the choice to walk on two legs. Someone in my social vicinity I interact quite often with is bound to a wheelchair. Of course it is a handicap for that person, but they didn't choose to have the disability. I don't even see how you can compare something you're forced in to a PUG you aren't forced to be a part of. That's kinda my point here, many people complain that raids are too hard, that the raiding community are a bunch of elitist zealouts and whatnot. All while insisting on raiding with pugs, which is basically raiding with a handicap. Or maybe they just aren't fun to them, because they dislike that type of content. I've pugged and raided with a guild myself. I'd still say that raids are unfun, not hard. The only hard part about raids is outside of raids. Finding the time, finding the right people etc..They clearly say that raids are way too hard and all the other things I said. I don't say that, they do.

That's in another game where Raid is their focus. How will easy mode work for Gw2 raids? Personally, I don't know.I do know however it will create a rift between the 2 modes as its not the same. Fractals 99 & 100 and CM. Strikes and Raids. Same, yet splitted. @Amaranthe.3578 said: It's a really weird statement since even Blizz said that LFR hurt the game. Not to mention the fact that it's the concesus among the players. Mythic has nothing to do with that 0.0, mythic was actually a throwback to traditional raiding. Not that weird of a statement. Barely anyone but the top does Mythic. Not even hardcore players like Asmongold, who I consider one, if not the most invested player in the game, clears current raids in Mythic difficulty. I actually would like to see where Blizz admitted that LFR was a mistake, I guess I missed that post by them. Care to share a link? I'd think they would have removed it by now, if it truly was bad for the game. Edit: Also funny that the creator of Warcraft Logs says the following: https://reddit.com/r/classicwow/comments/f7kajk/there_are_more_raiders_in_classic_than_retail_wcl/That could also be because he has a bias against retail, but idk. I haven't really followed the WoW raiding scene and their drama. Well, that's kinda the whole point of mythic. Don't forget WoW has a gear treadmill so it takes dedication to just get gear for mythic.Btw, classic raiding was much less accessible than raiding in wrath forward so that comment seems weird to me unless he actually means to bash super easy content. Raiding in Classic is very accessible now, since people know about the raids. Only a small amount of people actually raided during Vanilla. MC and BWL are being Pugged all the time. He's specifically bashing the retail raids that are just mechanically hard content instead of a social experience like in the past / in Classic. Asmongold doesn't like LFR, yet he still does it. He also pugged normal difficulty all the time. Yet he doesn't really do Mythic. Says alot about the playrate of that content from a dedicated player. The fact that he does it despite the fact that he doesn't like it, is one of the many reasons it's such a bad thing. When someone does a piece of content even if he hates it just to get a certain reward its a rather bad sign IMHO. Soooo, unique rewards for raiding or any other content is bad? I agree. Everything should be attainable in any gamemode. That way we wouldn't even need a "story mode" for raids. But that's not the issue here. If Asmondgold does Heroic/Normal that means he isn't interested doing raids just for the story, so there shouldn't be a need for him to do LFR. Blizzard however made LFR a part of the gearing ladder, which gw2 doesnt even have, so he does LFR despite the fact that he doesn't like it. It really doesnt have anything to do with the point you made.In GW2 that's not an issue at all, you can get all the things you want from any game mode. Leggy armor can be obtained for wvw and pvp too. But the legendary skins would be a certain reward. The same goes for some other raidskins. In order to get them you would need to do the corresponding raids. There are people that raid just for the skins, even if they aren't interested in doing raids. I don't really see the difference. Yes, one is bound to stats, but that's just because WoW is based on vertical progression. You also don't need LFR gear to do normal raids. There are also multiple ways to get similiar gear with the same iLVL as LFR gear through World Quests and stuff, so you aren't forced to do LFR just to get stats. Well, unique skins to certain forms of content is more than fair IMHO. The difference seems obvious since skins to offer anything mechanically. I think we should have raid skins, pvp skins, wvw skins. In wow you can avoid LFR if you want but the fact that it pulls Heroic and Normal raiders screams bad design. Raids in GW2 also pull people that wouldn't normally raid, or dislike raiding, just for the skins or the easy access to legendary armor, so I'd also call that bad design. I guess we just have a different definition of "certain reward", as I don't restrict it to numerical values/upgrades. Skins, teleportation devices, chairs etc. are also rewards for me that are restricted to certain areas of the game I personally dislike. They do? Why? If you don't like raiding the pvp/wvwvw leggy armor is far easier to get. And you get the utility of the leggy armor.I think unique skins are absolutely a must. I mean, lets say you beat a certain piece of challanging content and you wanna show it, how else would you do it? Seems rather weird that you would get the same reward without the challange. Just the unique pvp titles. Idk, legendary raid armour has always felt easier to get to me than PvP or WvW armour. It's just some scripted dance routine over and over.Also someone that exclusively plays PvE would not have another choice than go for the raid armor.It really just boils down to I've never really felt the need to show off anything to anyone, I only really care about my own character or good looking characters. Like why would they even care? Not like doing a scripted bossfight is something unique. I only really admire people that do truly unique feats, like the Dark Souls challenges I mentioned, or speedrunners. They don't actually get anything for that, just the fame that they've done it.I totally agree on the first part. Yet somehow loads of people complain that raids are too hard.

Raiding with PUGs is more challenging and theoretically adds a social aspect, since you have to familiarize yourself with new people. I know that's not what some raiders want, they just want to be rewarded ;) The actual top problem is fun. If people don't enjoy something, they just don't do it. Not that hard to grasp. No, raiding with pugs is a waste of time. PUGs aren't willing to go to voicecom, insist on ridiculously specific comps to make the raid go as smooth as possible and avoid mechanics, if you invest time in teaching them its a waste since you probably wont see em again.Adds a social aspect? Are you joking? Raiding with your guild gives you the best social experience since you actually coordinate and communicate.PUGs unwillingness to cooperate is not an added challange, its a pain in the rear.Raids are not supposed to be done with PUGS. Especially if you're still learning the fight. Not in GW2, not in WoW and not in any game I've ever seen.Your comment seems so absurd to me I get the feeling you're just saying absurd things simply to disagree. Cheers. People are Pugging just fine. If you dislike Pugging so much, then just don't do it. Make your own groups. But don't tell other players how to play, that's ridiculous.I like pugging because it lets you meet new people and for the increased challenge, you may disagree, but it doesn't change the fact that raiding in a PUG adds a layer of difficulty. WoW is also just fine with PUGs, just look at Classic and MC.Pugging needs more coordination and communication, since you're not already a familiarised team. Your comment seems so absurd to me I get the feeling you're just saying absurd things simply to disagree. Cheers.You're either trolling or too dim to have a discussion with. I won't bother anymore. Back to the personal insults. I didn't expect anything less. It's obvious to me you just don't like when people have a differen't opinion than you. Actually, I don't like people who don't address anything I say and just keep repeating the same nonsense. Can't say I expected anything more from you. Being dim is not an insult, some people are just dim... it's human nature. Your only argument was that PUGs are bad. I said PUGs are challenging and you disagreed. You didn't even address the "fun" part. If anyone just keeps repeating the same nonsense, it's you. It also doesn't help that you're trying to play down personal insults. I listed a whole block of reasons WHY pugs are not fun. But you don't address them and keep spewing the same nonsense. Because your whole block of "reasons" boils down to PUGs being a "pain in the rear." and "not intended" for raiding. There's nothing to adress there. I just disagree with that notion.Calling my comment "absurd" didn't really invite to a healthy conversation. Calling my posts nonsense doesn't help either. No it doesn't. Each reason addresses a different problem with pugs. Your need to simply dismiss them doesn't help. It's like you're just trying to push your opinion, instead of trying to actually listen to others. Not that I'm shocked by that, it seems you do that regularly on these forums. Atleast I don't dismiss someone elses opinion ;) To you they are, I enjoy PUGs sometimes. Time spent while doing fun activities isn't wasted time imo. Trying to force people to do something they don't like isn't the best way to do things. You could just create your own group and state that voicecoms are a must for the PUG, or just create a Guildgroup from the start. No need to even interact with them if you don't want to. Raiding with a Guild or a PUG doesn't change the encounter. The same amount of coordination and communication is needed. Whereas you can meet new people in PUGs, you won't meet them in statics, unless some are new to the static. It is an added challenge. Getting Group cohesion and cooperation right is a challenge in itself. Yet GW2 and WoW raids are being pugged all the time, even if you're still learning the fight. WoW also allows to learn the fight through lower difficulties that are made for PUGs (LFR) In the end it boils down to you not liking PUGs and their added challenge. @Raknar.4735 said: Raiding with PUGs is more challenging and theoretically adds a social aspect, since you have to familiarize yourself with new people. I know that's not what some raiders want, they just want to be rewarded ;) The actual top problem is fun. If people don't enjoy something, they just don't do it. Not that hard to grasp. No, raiding with pugs is a waste of time. PUGs aren't willing to go to voicecom, insist on ridiculously specific comps to make the raid go as smooth as possible and avoid mechanics, if you invest time in teaching them its a waste since you probably wont see em again.Adds a social aspect? Are you joking? Raiding with your guild gives you the best social experience since you actually coordinate and communicate.PUGs unwillingness to cooperate is not an added challange, its a pain in the rear.Raids are not supposed to be done with PUGS. Especially if you're still learning the fight. Not in GW2, not in WoW and not in any game I've ever seen.Your comment seems so absurd to me I get the feeling you're just saying absurd things simply to disagree. Cheers. People are Pugging just fine. If you dislike Pugging so much, then just don't do it. Make your own groups. But don't tell other players how to play, that's ridiculous.I like pugging because it lets you meet new people and for the increased challenge, you may disagree, but it doesn't change the fact that raiding in a PUG adds a layer of difficulty. WoW is also just fine with PUGs, just look at Classic and MC.Pugging needs more coordination and communication, since you're not already a familiarised team. Your comment seems so absurd to me I get the feeling you're just saying absurd things simply to disagree. Cheers.You're either trolling or too dim to have a discussion with. I won't bother anymore. Back to the personal insults. I didn't expect anything less. It's obvious to me you just don't like when people have a differen't opinion than you. Actually, I don't like people who don't address anything I say and just keep repeating the same nonsense. Can't say I expected anything more from you. Being dim is not an insult, some people are just dim... it's human nature. Your only argument was that PUGs are bad. I said PUGs are challenging and you disagreed. You didn't even address the "fun" part. If anyone just keeps repeating the same nonsense, it's you. It also doesn't help that you're trying to play down personal insults. I listed a whole block of reasons WHY pugs are not fun. But you don't address them and keep spewing the same nonsense. Because your whole block of "reasons" boils down to PUGs being a "pain in the rear." and "not intended" for raiding. There's nothing to adress there. I just disagree with that notion.Calling my comment "absurd" didn't really invite to a healthy conversation. Calling my posts nonsense doesn't help either. No it doesn't. Each reason addresses a different problem with pugs. Your need to simply dismiss them doesn't help. It's like you're just trying to push your opinion, instead of trying to actually listen to others. Not that I'm shocked by that, it seems you do that regularly on these forums. Atleast I don't dismiss someone elses opinion ;) To you they are, I enjoy PUGs sometimes. Time spent while doing fun activities isn't wasted time imo. Trying to force people to do something they don't like isn't the best way to do things. You could just create your own group and state that voicecoms are a must for the PUG, or just create a Guildgroup from the start. No need to even interact with them if you don't want to. Raiding with a Guild or a PUG doesn't change the encounter. The same amount of coordination and communication is needed. Whereas you can meet new people in PUGs, you won't meet them in statics, unless some are new to the static. It is an added challenge. Getting Group cohesion and cooperation right is a challenge in itself. Yet GW2 and WoW raids are being pugged all the time, even if you're still learning the fight. WoW also allows to learn the fight through lower difficulties that are made for PUGs (LFR) In the end it boils down to you not liking PUGs and their added challenge. I get now where you're coming from, somewhat. The thing is, I really see pugs as a handicap rather than a challange. You might say a handicap can be a challange and I agree but I don't think its the case here, definitely not for me.I will try giving a parallel here, I'm not that good with then so I hope I will get my point across.Let's say that running is a challange. You can practice as you normally would or you can try running on one leg. Is it really a challange? Do you actually improve by handicapping yourself? I don't think so. Well, that doesn't really qualify as running anymore. But maybe you're trying to beat a one-legged run record.Like doing a no dodge/no hit only fists challenge in Dark Souls is handicapping yourself, but it still counts as a challenge since it increases difficulty. Same goes for Lvl 1 runs. PUGs that don't have a lot of DPS could not do Gorseval without phasing him instantly, so you'd have to do mechanics. Things like that do increase the challenge. A coordinated group would just burn him down. But are you improving your running skills by handicapping yourself? Absolutely not.Is being wheelchair bound a challange? No, it's a handicap.From my experience PUGs ignore mechanics, low DPS is not the issue. PUGs insist on meta comps to try and rush mechanics. On a coordinated group you can actually play what you like and easily clear the raid with exotics. You're not improving your running skills, but your one legged running skills. A no dodge/no hit challenge doesn't increase your Dark Souls dodge timing skills, but other aspects.Being bound to a wheelchair allows you to learn how to efficiently use the wheelchair and make the best of the situation. Someone bound to it also doesn't have the option to just stand up and run, like you would have by just not choosing to PUG.In my experience DPS and mechanics both are the issue in PUGs. A coordinated group can just push DPS hard and ignore mechanics. Are you being abtuth on purpose lol? Being wheelchair bound is a handicap. Do you know a paraplegic who would pass on a cure? I dont think so. I don't think he would pass on a cure, but he also doesn't have the choice to walk on two legs. Someone in my social vicinity I interact quite often with is bound to a wheelchair. Of course it is a handicap for that person, but they didn't choose to have the disability. I don't even see how you can compare something you're forced in to a PUG you aren't forced to be a part of.That's kinda my point here, many people complain that raids are too hard, that the raiding community are a bunch of elitist toxic zealots and whatnot. All while insisting on raiding with pugs, which is basically raiding with a handicap.

Raiding with PUGs is more challenging and theoretically adds a social aspect, since you have to familiarize yourself with new people. I know that's not what some raiders want, they just want to be rewarded ;) The actual top problem is fun. If people don't enjoy something, they just don't do it. Not that hard to grasp. No, raiding with pugs is a waste of time. PUGs aren't willing to go to voicecom, insist on ridiculously specific comps to make the raid go as smooth as possible and avoid mechanics, if you invest time in teaching them its a waste since you probably wont see em again.Adds a social aspect? Are you joking? Raiding with your guild gives you the best social experience since you actually coordinate and communicate.PUGs unwillingness to cooperate is not an added challange, its a pain in the rear.Raids are not supposed to be done with PUGS. Especially if you're still learning the fight. Not in GW2, not in WoW and not in any game I've ever seen.Your comment seems so absurd to me I get the feeling you're just saying absurd things simply to disagree. Cheers. People are Pugging just fine. If you dislike Pugging so much, then just don't do it. Make your own groups. But don't tell other players how to play, that's ridiculous.I like pugging because it lets you meet new people and for the increased challenge, you may disagree, but it doesn't change the fact that raiding in a PUG adds a layer of difficulty. WoW is also just fine with PUGs, just look at Classic and MC.Pugging needs more coordination and communication, since you're not already a familiarised team. Your comment seems so absurd to me I get the feeling you're just saying absurd things simply to disagree. Cheers.You're either trolling or too dim to have a discussion with. I won't bother anymore. Back to the personal insults. I didn't expect anything less. It's obvious to me you just don't like when people have a differen't opinion than you. Actually, I don't like people who don't address anything I say and just keep repeating the same nonsense. Can't say I expected anything more from you. Being dim is not an insult, some people are just dim... it's human nature. Your only argument was that PUGs are bad. I said PUGs are challenging and you disagreed. You didn't even address the "fun" part. If anyone just keeps repeating the same nonsense, it's you. It also doesn't help that you're trying to play down personal insults. I listed a whole block of reasons WHY pugs are not fun. But you don't address them and keep spewing the same nonsense. Because your whole block of "reasons" boils down to PUGs being a "pain in the rear." and "not intended" for raiding. There's nothing to adress there. I just disagree with that notion.Calling my comment "absurd" didn't really invite to a healthy conversation. Calling my posts nonsense doesn't help either. No it doesn't. Each reason addresses a different problem with pugs. Your need to simply dismiss them doesn't help. It's like you're just trying to push your opinion, instead of trying to actually listen to others. Not that I'm shocked by that, it seems you do that regularly on these forums. Atleast I don't dismiss someone elses opinion ;) To you they are, I enjoy PUGs sometimes. Time spent while doing fun activities isn't wasted time imo. Trying to force people to do something they don't like isn't the best way to do things. You could just create your own group and state that voicecoms are a must for the PUG, or just create a Guildgroup from the start. No need to even interact with them if you don't want to. Raiding with a Guild or a PUG doesn't change the encounter. The same amount of coordination and communication is needed. Whereas you can meet new people in PUGs, you won't meet them in statics, unless some are new to the static. It is an added challenge. Getting Group cohesion and cooperation right is a challenge in itself. Yet GW2 and WoW raids are being pugged all the time, even if you're still learning the fight. WoW also allows to learn the fight through lower difficulties that are made for PUGs (LFR) In the end it boils down to you not liking PUGs and their added challenge. @Raknar.4735 said: Raiding with PUGs is more challenging and theoretically adds a social aspect, since you have to familiarize yourself with new people. I know that's not what some raiders want, they just want to be rewarded ;) The actual top problem is fun. If people don't enjoy something, they just don't do it. Not that hard to grasp. No, raiding with pugs is a waste of time. PUGs aren't willing to go to voicecom, insist on ridiculously specific comps to make the raid go as smooth as possible and avoid mechanics, if you invest time in teaching them its a waste since you probably wont see em again.Adds a social aspect? Are you joking? Raiding with your guild gives you the best social experience since you actually coordinate and communicate.PUGs unwillingness to cooperate is not an added challange, its a pain in the rear.Raids are not supposed to be done with PUGS. Especially if you're still learning the fight. Not in GW2, not in WoW and not in any game I've ever seen.Your comment seems so absurd to me I get the feeling you're just saying absurd things simply to disagree. Cheers. People are Pugging just fine. If you dislike Pugging so much, then just don't do it. Make your own groups. But don't tell other players how to play, that's ridiculous.I like pugging because it lets you meet new people and for the increased challenge, you may disagree, but it doesn't change the fact that raiding in a PUG adds a layer of difficulty. WoW is also just fine with PUGs, just look at Classic and MC.Pugging needs more coordination and communication, since you're not already a familiarised team. Your comment seems so absurd to me I get the feeling you're just saying absurd things simply to disagree. Cheers.You're either trolling or too dim to have a discussion with. I won't bother anymore. Back to the personal insults. I didn't expect anything less. It's obvious to me you just don't like when people have a differen't opinion than you. Actually, I don't like people who don't address anything I say and just keep repeating the same nonsense. Can't say I expected anything more from you. Being dim is not an insult, some people are just dim... it's human nature. Your only argument was that PUGs are bad. I said PUGs are challenging and you disagreed. You didn't even address the "fun" part. If anyone just keeps repeating the same nonsense, it's you. It also doesn't help that you're trying to play down personal insults. I listed a whole block of reasons WHY pugs are not fun. But you don't address them and keep spewing the same nonsense. Because your whole block of "reasons" boils down to PUGs being a "pain in the rear." and "not intended" for raiding. There's nothing to adress there. I just disagree with that notion.Calling my comment "absurd" didn't really invite to a healthy conversation. Calling my posts nonsense doesn't help either. No it doesn't. Each reason addresses a different problem with pugs. Your need to simply dismiss them doesn't help. It's like you're just trying to push your opinion, instead of trying to actually listen to others. Not that I'm shocked by that, it seems you do that regularly on these forums. Atleast I don't dismiss someone elses opinion ;) To you they are, I enjoy PUGs sometimes. Time spent while doing fun activities isn't wasted time imo. Trying to force people to do something they don't like isn't the best way to do things. You could just create your own group and state that voicecoms are a must for the PUG, or just create a Guildgroup from the start. No need to even interact with them if you don't want to. Raiding with a Guild or a PUG doesn't change the encounter. The same amount of coordination and communication is needed. Whereas you can meet new people in PUGs, you won't meet them in statics, unless some are new to the static. It is an added challenge. Getting Group cohesion and cooperation right is a challenge in itself. Yet GW2 and WoW raids are being pugged all the time, even if you're still learning the fight. WoW also allows to learn the fight through lower difficulties that are made for PUGs (LFR) In the end it boils down to you not liking PUGs and their added challenge. I get now where you're coming from, somewhat. The thing is, I really see pugs as a handicap rather than a challange. You might say a handicap can be a challange and I agree but I don't think its the case here, definitely not for me.I will try giving a parallel here, I'm not that good with then so I hope I will get my point across.Let's say that running is a challange. You can practice as you normally would or you can try running on one leg. Is it really a challange? Do you actually improve by handicapping yourself? I don't think so. Well, that doesn't really qualify as running anymore. But maybe you're trying to beat a one-legged run record.Like doing a no dodge/no hit only fists challenge in Dark Souls is handicapping yourself, but it still counts as a challenge since it increases difficulty. Same goes for Lvl 1 runs. PUGs that don't have a lot of DPS could not do Gorseval without phasing him instantly, so you'd have to do mechanics. Things like that do increase the challenge. A coordinated group would just burn him down. But are you improving your running skills by handicapping yourself? Absolutely not.Is being wheelchair bound a challange? No, it's a handicap.From my experience PUGs ignore mechanics, low DPS is not the issue. PUGs insist on meta comps to try and rush mechanics. On a coordinated group you can actually play what you like and easily clear the raid with exotics. You're not improving your running skills, but your one legged running skills. A no dodge/no hit challenge doesn't increase your Dark Souls dodge timing skills, but other aspects.Being bound to a wheelchair allows you to learn how to efficiently use the wheelchair and make the best of the situation. Someone bound to it also doesn't have the option to just stand up and run, like you would have by just not choosing to PUG.In my experience DPS and mechanics both are the issue in PUGs. A coordinated group can just push DPS hard and ignore mechanics.Are you being abtuth on purpose lol? Being wheelchair bound is a handicap. Do you know a paraplegic who would pass on a cure? I dont think so.

That's in another game where Raid is their focus. How will easy mode work for Gw2 raids? Personally, I don't know.I do know however it will create a rift between the 2 modes as its not the same. Fractals 99 & 100 and CM. Strikes and Raids. Same, yet splitted. @Amaranthe.3578 said: It's a really weird statement since even Blizz said that LFR hurt the game. Not to mention the fact that it's the concesus among the players. Mythic has nothing to do with that 0.0, mythic was actually a throwback to traditional raiding. Not that weird of a statement. Barely anyone but the top does Mythic. Not even hardcore players like Asmongold, who I consider one, if not the most invested player in the game, clears current raids in Mythic difficulty. I actually would like to see where Blizz admitted that LFR was a mistake, I guess I missed that post by them. Care to share a link? I'd think they would have removed it by now, if it truly was bad for the game. Edit: Also funny that the creator of Warcraft Logs says the following: https://reddit.com/r/classicwow/comments/f7kajk/there_are_more_raiders_in_classic_than_retail_wcl/That could also be because he has a bias against retail, but idk. I haven't really followed the WoW raiding scene and their drama. Well, that's kinda the whole point of mythic. Don't forget WoW has a gear treadmill so it takes dedication to just get gear for mythic.Btw, classic raiding was much less accessible than raiding in wrath forward so that comment seems weird to me unless he actually means to bash super easy content. Raiding in Classic is very accessible now, since people know about the raids. Only a small amount of people actually raided during Vanilla. MC and BWL are being Pugged all the time. He's specifically bashing the retail raids that are just mechanically hard content instead of a social experience like in the past / in Classic. Asmongold doesn't like LFR, yet he still does it. He also pugged normal difficulty all the time. Yet he doesn't really do Mythic. Says alot about the playrate of that content from a dedicated player. The fact that he does it despite the fact that he doesn't like it, is one of the many reasons it's such a bad thing. When someone does a piece of content even if he hates it just to get a certain reward its a rather bad sign IMHO. Soooo, unique rewards for raiding or any other content is bad? I agree. Everything should be attainable in any gamemode. That way we wouldn't even need a "story mode" for raids. But that's not the issue here. If Asmondgold does Heroic/Normal that means he isn't interested doing raids just for the story, so there shouldn't be a need for him to do LFR. Blizzard however made LFR a part of the gearing ladder, which gw2 doesnt even have, so he does LFR despite the fact that he doesn't like it. It really doesnt have anything to do with the point you made.In GW2 that's not an issue at all, you can get all the things you want from any game mode. Leggy armor can be obtained for wvw and pvp too. But the legendary skins would be a certain reward. The same goes for some other raidskins. In order to get them you would need to do the corresponding raids. There are people that raid just for the skins, even if they aren't interested in doing raids. I don't really see the difference. Yes, one is bound to stats, but that's just because WoW is based on vertical progression. You also don't need LFR gear to do normal raids. There are also multiple ways to get similiar gear with the same iLVL as LFR gear through World Quests and stuff, so you aren't forced to do LFR just to get stats. Well, unique skins to certain forms of content is more than fair IMHO. The difference seems obvious since skins to offer anything mechanically. I think we should have raid skins, pvp skins, wvw skins. In wow you can avoid LFR if you want but the fact that it pulls Heroic and Normal raiders screams bad design. Raids in GW2 also pull people that wouldn't normally raid, or dislike raiding, just for the skins or the easy access to legendary armor, so I'd also call that bad design. I guess we just have a different definition of "certain reward", as I don't restrict it to numerical values/upgrades. Skins, teleportation devices, chairs etc. are also rewards for me that are restricted to certain areas of the game I personally dislike.They do? Why? If you don't like raiding the pvp/wvwvw leggy armor is far easier to get. And you get the utility of the leggy armor.I think unique skins are absolutely a must. I mean, lets say you beat a certain piece of challanging content and you wanna show it, how else would you do it? Seems rather weird that you would get the same reward without the challange. Just like the unique pvp titles, would be weird to give them outside of pvp.

Raiding with PUGs is more challenging and theoretically adds a social aspect, since you have to familiarize yourself with new people. I know that's not what some raiders want, they just want to be rewarded ;) The actual top problem is fun. If people don't enjoy something, they just don't do it. Not that hard to grasp. No, raiding with pugs is a waste of time. PUGs aren't willing to go to voicecom, insist on ridiculously specific comps to make the raid go as smooth as possible and avoid mechanics, if you invest time in teaching them its a waste since you probably wont see em again.Adds a social aspect? Are you joking? Raiding with your guild gives you the best social experience since you actually coordinate and communicate.PUGs unwillingness to cooperate is not an added challange, its a pain in the rear.Raids are not supposed to be done with PUGS. Especially if you're still learning the fight. Not in GW2, not in WoW and not in any game I've ever seen.Your comment seems so absurd to me I get the feeling you're just saying absurd things simply to disagree. Cheers. People are Pugging just fine. If you dislike Pugging so much, then just don't do it. Make your own groups. But don't tell other players how to play, that's ridiculous.I like pugging because it lets you meet new people and for the increased challenge, you may disagree, but it doesn't change the fact that raiding in a PUG adds a layer of difficulty. WoW is also just fine with PUGs, just look at Classic and MC.Pugging needs more coordination and communication, since you're not already a familiarised team. Your comment seems so absurd to me I get the feeling you're just saying absurd things simply to disagree. Cheers.You're either trolling or too dim to have a discussion with. I won't bother anymore. Back to the personal insults. I didn't expect anything less. It's obvious to me you just don't like when people have a differen't opinion than you. Actually, I don't like people who don't address anything I say and just keep repeating the same nonsense. Can't say I expected anything more from you. Being dim is not an insult, some people are just dim... it's human nature. Your only argument was that PUGs are bad. I said PUGs are challenging and you disagreed. You didn't even address the "fun" part. If anyone just keeps repeating the same nonsense, it's you. It also doesn't help that you're trying to play down personal insults. I listed a whole block of reasons WHY pugs are not fun. But you don't address them and keep spewing the same nonsense. Because your whole block of "reasons" boils down to PUGs being a "pain in the rear." and "not intended" for raiding. There's nothing to adress there. I just disagree with that notion.Calling my comment "absurd" didn't really invite to a healthy conversation. Calling my posts nonsense doesn't help either. No it doesn't. Each reason addresses a different problem with pugs. Your need to simply dismiss them doesn't help. It's like you're just trying to push your opinion, instead of trying to actually listen to others. Not that I'm shocked by that, it seems you do that regularly on these forums. Atleast I don't dismiss someone elses opinion ;) To you they are, I enjoy PUGs sometimes. Time spent while doing fun activities isn't wasted time imo. Trying to force people to do something they don't like isn't the best way to do things. You could just create your own group and state that voicecoms are a must for the PUG, or just create a Guildgroup from the start. No need to even interact with them if you don't want to. Raiding with a Guild or a PUG doesn't change the encounter. The same amount of coordination and communication is needed. Whereas you can meet new people in PUGs, you won't meet them in statics, unless some are new to the static. It is an added challenge. Getting Group cohesion and cooperation right is a challenge in itself. Yet GW2 and WoW raids are being pugged all the time, even if you're still learning the fight. WoW also allows to learn the fight through lower difficulties that are made for PUGs (LFR) In the end it boils down to you not liking PUGs and their added challenge. @Raknar.4735 said: Raiding with PUGs is more challenging and theoretically adds a social aspect, since you have to familiarize yourself with new people. I know that's not what some raiders want, they just want to be rewarded ;) The actual top problem is fun. If people don't enjoy something, they just don't do it. Not that hard to grasp. No, raiding with pugs is a waste of time. PUGs aren't willing to go to voicecom, insist on ridiculously specific comps to make the raid go as smooth as possible and avoid mechanics, if you invest time in teaching them its a waste since you probably wont see em again.Adds a social aspect? Are you joking? Raiding with your guild gives you the best social experience since you actually coordinate and communicate.PUGs unwillingness to cooperate is not an added challange, its a pain in the rear.Raids are not supposed to be done with PUGS. Especially if you're still learning the fight. Not in GW2, not in WoW and not in any game I've ever seen.Your comment seems so absurd to me I get the feeling you're just saying absurd things simply to disagree. Cheers. People are Pugging just fine. If you dislike Pugging so much, then just don't do it. Make your own groups. But don't tell other players how to play, that's ridiculous.I like pugging because it lets you meet new people and for the increased challenge, you may disagree, but it doesn't change the fact that raiding in a PUG adds a layer of difficulty. WoW is also just fine with PUGs, just look at Classic and MC.Pugging needs more coordination and communication, since you're not already a familiarised team. Your comment seems so absurd to me I get the feeling you're just saying absurd things simply to disagree. Cheers.You're either trolling or too dim to have a discussion with. I won't bother anymore. Back to the personal insults. I didn't expect anything less. It's obvious to me you just don't like when people have a differen't opinion than you. Actually, I don't like people who don't address anything I say and just keep repeating the same nonsense. Can't say I expected anything more from you. Being dim is not an insult, some people are just dim... it's human nature. Your only argument was that PUGs are bad. I said PUGs are challenging and you disagreed. You didn't even address the "fun" part. If anyone just keeps repeating the same nonsense, it's you. It also doesn't help that you're trying to play down personal insults. I listed a whole block of reasons WHY pugs are not fun. But you don't address them and keep spewing the same nonsense. Because your whole block of "reasons" boils down to PUGs being a "pain in the rear." and "not intended" for raiding. There's nothing to adress there. I just disagree with that notion.Calling my comment "absurd" didn't really invite to a healthy conversation. Calling my posts nonsense doesn't help either. No it doesn't. Each reason addresses a different problem with pugs. Your need to simply dismiss them doesn't help. It's like you're just trying to push your opinion, instead of trying to actually listen to others. Not that I'm shocked by that, it seems you do that regularly on these forums. Atleast I don't dismiss someone elses opinion ;) To you they are, I enjoy PUGs sometimes. Time spent while doing fun activities isn't wasted time imo. Trying to force people to do something they don't like isn't the best way to do things. You could just create your own group and state that voicecoms are a must for the PUG, or just create a Guildgroup from the start. No need to even interact with them if you don't want to. Raiding with a Guild or a PUG doesn't change the encounter. The same amount of coordination and communication is needed. Whereas you can meet new people in PUGs, you won't meet them in statics, unless some are new to the static. It is an added challenge. Getting Group cohesion and cooperation right is a challenge in itself. Yet GW2 and WoW raids are being pugged all the time, even if you're still learning the fight. WoW also allows to learn the fight through lower difficulties that are made for PUGs (LFR) In the end it boils down to you not liking PUGs and their added challenge. I get now where you're coming from, somewhat. The thing is, I really see pugs as a handicap rather than a challange. You might say a handicap can be a challange and I agree but I don't think its the case here, definitely not for me.I will try giving a parallel here, I'm not that good with then so I hope I will get my point across.Let's say that running is a challange. You can practice as you normally would or you can try running on one leg. Is it really a challange? Do you actually improve by handicapping yourself? I don't think so. Well, that doesn't really qualify as running anymore. But maybe you're trying to beat a one-legged run record.Like doing a no dodge/no hit only fists challenge in Dark Souls is handicapping yourself, but it still counts as a challenge since it increases difficulty. Same goes for Lvl 1 runs. PUGs that don't have a lot of DPS could not do Gorseval without phasing him instantly, so you'd have to do mechanics. Things like that do increase the challenge. A coordinated group would just burn him down.But are you improving your running skills by handicapping yourself? Absolutely not.Is being wheelchair bound a challange? No, it's a handicap.From my experience PUGs ignore mechanics, low DPS is not the issue. PUGs insist on meta comps to try and rush mechanics. On a coordinated group you can actually play what you like and easily clear the raid with exotics.

That's in another game where Raid is their focus. How will easy mode work for Gw2 raids? Personally, I don't know.I do know however it will create a rift between the 2 modes as its not the same. Fractals 99 & 100 and CM. Strikes and Raids. Same, yet splitted. @Amaranthe.3578 said: It's a really weird statement since even Blizz said that LFR hurt the game. Not to mention the fact that it's the concesus among the players. Mythic has nothing to do with that 0.0, mythic was actually a throwback to traditional raiding. Not that weird of a statement. Barely anyone but the top does Mythic. Not even hardcore players like Asmongold, who I consider one, if not the most invested player in the game, clears current raids in Mythic difficulty. I actually would like to see where Blizz admitted that LFR was a mistake, I guess I missed that post by them. Care to share a link? I'd think they would have removed it by now, if it truly was bad for the game. Edit: Also funny that the creator of Warcraft Logs says the following: https://reddit.com/r/classicwow/comments/f7kajk/there_are_more_raiders_in_classic_than_retail_wcl/That could also be because he has a bias against retail, but idk. I haven't really followed the WoW raiding scene and their drama. Well, that's kinda the whole point of mythic. Don't forget WoW has a gear treadmill so it takes dedication to just get gear for mythic.Btw, classic raiding was much less accessible than raiding in wrath forward so that comment seems weird to me unless he actually means to bash super easy content. Raiding in Classic is very accessible now, since people know about the raids. Only a small amount of people actually raided during Vanilla. MC and BWL are being Pugged all the time. He's specifically bashing the retail raids that are just mechanically hard content instead of a social experience like in the past / in Classic. Asmongold doesn't like LFR, yet he still does it. He also pugged normal difficulty all the time. Yet he doesn't really do Mythic. Says alot about the playrate of that content from a dedicated player. The fact that he does it despite the fact that he doesn't like it, is one of the many reasons it's such a bad thing. When someone does a piece of content even if he hates it just to get a certain reward its a rather bad sign IMHO. Soooo, unique rewards for raiding or any other content is bad? I agree. Everything should be attainable in any gamemode. That way we wouldn't even need a "story mode" for raids. But that's not the issue here. If Asmondgold does Heroic/Normal that means he isn't interested doing raids just for the story, so there shouldn't be a need for him to do LFR. Blizzard however made LFR a part of the gearing ladder, which gw2 doesnt even have, so he does LFR despite the fact that he doesn't like it. It really doesnt have anything to do with the point you made.In GW2 that's not an issue at all, you can get all the things you want from any game mode. Leggy armor can be obtained for wvw and pvp too. But the legendary skins would be a certain reward. The same goes for some other raidskins. In order to get them you would need to do the corresponding raids. There are people that raid just for the skins, even if they aren't interested in doing raids. I don't really see the difference. Yes, one is bound to stats, but that's just because WoW is based on vertical progression. You also don't need LFR gear to do normal raids. There are also multiple ways to get similiar gear with the same iLVL as LFR gear through World Quests and stuff, so you aren't forced to do LFR just to get stats.Well, unique skins to certain forms of content is more than fair IMHO. The difference seems obvious since skins to offer anything mechanically. I think we should have raid skins, pvp skins, wvw skins. In wow you can avoid LFR if you want but the fact that it pulls Heroic and Normal raiders screams bad design.

That's in another game where Raid is their focus. How will easy mode work for Gw2 raids? Personally, I don't know.I do know however it will create a rift between the 2 modes as its not the same. Fractals 99 & 100 and CM. Strikes and Raids. Same, yet splitted. @Amaranthe.3578 said: It's a really weird statement since even Blizz said that LFR hurt the game. Not to mention the fact that it's the concesus among the players. Mythic has nothing to do with that 0.0, mythic was actually a throwback to traditional raiding. Not that weird of a statement. Barely anyone but the top does Mythic. Not even hardcore players like Asmongold, who I consider one, if not the most invested player in the game, clears current raids in Mythic difficulty. I actually would like to see where Blizz admitted that LFR was a mistake, I guess I missed that post by them. Care to share a link? I'd think they would have removed it by now, if it truly was bad for the game. Edit: Also funny that the creator of Warcraft Logs says the following: https://reddit.com/r/classicwow/comments/f7kajk/there_are_more_raiders_in_classic_than_retail_wcl/That could also be because he has a bias against retail, but idk. I haven't really followed the WoW raiding scene and their drama. Well, that's kinda the whole point of mythic. Don't forget WoW has a gear treadmill so it takes dedication to just get gear for mythic.Btw, classic raiding was much less accessible than raiding in wrath forward so that comment seems weird to me unless he actually means to bash super easy content. Raiding in Classic is very accessible now, since people know about the raids. Only a small amount of people actually raided during Vanilla. MC and BWL are being Pugged all the time. He's specifically bashing the retail raids that are just mechanically hard content instead of a social experience like in the past / in Classic. Asmongold doesn't like LFR, yet he still does it. He also pugged normal difficulty all the time. Yet he doesn't really do Mythic. Says alot about the playrate of that content from a dedicated player. The fact that he does it despite the fact that he doesn't like it, is one of the many reasons it's such a bad thing. When someone does a piece of content even if he hates it just to get a certain reward its a rather bad sign IMHO. Soooo, unique rewards for raiding or any other content is bad? I agree. Everything should be attainable in any gamemode. That way we wouldn't even need a "story mode" for raids.But that's not the issue here. If Asmondgold does Heroic/Normal that means he isn't interested doing raids just for the story, so there shouldn't be a need for him to do LFR. Blizzard however made LFR a part of the gearing ladder, which gw2 doesnt even have, so he does LFR despite the fact that he doesn't like it. It really doesnt have anything to do with the point you made.In GW2 that's not an issue at all, you can get all the things you want from any game mode. Leggy armor can be obtained for wvw and pvp too.

Raiding with PUGs is more challenging and theoretically adds a social aspect, since you have to familiarize yourself with new people. I know that's not what some raiders want, they just want to be rewarded ;) The actual top problem is fun. If people don't enjoy something, they just don't do it. Not that hard to grasp. No, raiding with pugs is a waste of time. To you they are, I enjoy PUGs sometimes. Time spent while doing fun activities isn't wasted time imo. Trying to force people to do something they don't like isn't the best way to do things. You could just create your own group and state that voicecoms are a must for the PUG, or just create a Guildgroup from the start. No need to even interact with them if you don't want to. Raiding with a Guild or a PUG doesn't change the encounter. The same amount of coordination and communication is needed. Whereas you can meet new people in PUGs, you won't meet them in statics, unless some are new to the static. It is an added challenge. Getting Group cohesion and cooperation right is a challenge in itself. Yet GW2 and WoW raids are being pugged all the time, even if you're still learning the fight. WoW also allows to learn the fight through lower difficulties that are made for PUGs (LFR) In the end it boils down to you not liking PUGs and their added challenge.I get now where you're coming from, somewhat. The thing is, I really see pugs as a handicap rather than a challange. You might say a handicap can be a challange and I agree but I don't think its the case here, definitely not for me.I will try giving a parallel here, I'm not that good with then so I hope I will get my point across.Let's say that running is a challange. You can practice as you normally would or you can try running on one leg. Is it really a challange? Do you actually improve by handicapping yourself? I don't think so.

That's in another game where Raid is their focus. How will easy mode work for Gw2 raids? Personally, I don't know.I do know however it will create a rift between the 2 modes as its not the same. Fractals 99 & 100 and CM. Strikes and Raids. Same, yet splitted. @Amaranthe.3578 said: It's a really weird statement since even Blizz said that LFR hurt the game. Not to mention the fact that it's the concesus among the players. Mythic has nothing to do with that 0.0, mythic was actually a throwback to traditional raiding. Not that weird of a statement. Barely anyone but the top does Mythic. Not even hardcore players like Asmongold, who I consider one, if not the most invested player in the game, clears current raids in Mythic difficulty. I actually would like to see where Blizz admitted that LFR was a mistake, I guess I missed that post by them. Care to share a link? I'd think they would have removed it by now, if it truly was bad for the game. Edit: Also funny that the creator of Warcraft Logs says the following: https://reddit.com/r/classicwow/comments/f7kajk/there_are_more_raiders_in_classic_than_retail_wcl/That could also be because he has a bias against retail, but idk. I haven't really followed the WoW raiding scene and their drama. Well, that's kinda the whole point of mythic. Don't forget WoW has a gear treadmill so it takes dedication to just get gear for mythic.Btw, classic raiding was much less accessible than raiding in wrath forward so that comment seems weird to me unless he actually means to bash super easy content. Raiding in Classic is very accessible now, since people know about the raids. Only a small amount of people actually raided during Vanilla. MC and BWL are being Pugged all the time. He's specifically bashing the retail raids that are just mechanically hard content instead of a social experience like in the past / in Classic. Asmongold doesn't like LFR, yet he still does it. He also pugged normal difficulty all the time. Yet he doesn't really do Mythic. Says alot about the playrate of that content from a dedicated player.The fact that he does it despite the fact that he doesn't like it, is one of the many reasons it's such a bad thing. When someone does a piece of content even if he hates it just to get a certain reward its a rather bad sign IMHO.

Raiding with PUGs is more challenging and theoretically adds a social aspect, since you have to familiarize yourself with new people. I know that's not what some raiders want, they just want to be rewarded ;) The actual top problem is fun. If people don't enjoy something, they just don't do it. Not that hard to grasp. No, raiding with pugs is a waste of time. PUGs aren't willing to go to voicecom, insist on ridiculously specific comps to make the raid go as smooth as possible and avoid mechanics, if you invest time in teaching them its a waste since you probably wont see em again.Adds a social aspect? Are you joking? Raiding with your guild gives you the best social experience since you actually coordinate and communicate.PUGs unwillingness to cooperate is not an added challange, its a pain in the rear.Raids are not supposed to be done with PUGS. Especially if you're still learning the fight. Not in GW2, not in WoW and not in any game I've ever seen.Your comment seems so absurd to me I get the feeling you're just saying absurd things simply to disagree. Cheers.

That's in another game where Raid is their focus. How will easy mode work for Gw2 raids? Personally, I don't know.I do know however it will create a rift between the 2 modes as its not the same. Fractals 99 & 100 and CM. Strikes and Raids. Same, yet splitted. @Amaranthe.3578 said: It's a really weird statement since even Blizz said that LFR hurt the game. Not to mention the fact that it's the concesus among the players. Mythic has nothing to do with that 0.0, mythic was actually a throwback to traditional raiding. Not that weird of a statement. Barely anyone but the top does Mythic. Not even hardcore players like Asmongold, who I consider one, if not the most invested player in the game, clears current raids in Mythic difficulty. I actually would like to see where Blizz admitted that LFR was a mistake, I guess I missed that post by them. Care to share a link? I'd think they would have removed it by now, if it truly was bad for the game. Edit: Also funny that the creator of Warcraft Logs says the following: https://reddit.com/r/classicwow/comments/f7kajk/there_are_more_raiders_in_classic_than_retail_wcl/That could also be because he has a bias against retail, but idk. I haven't really followed the WoW raiding scene and their drama.Well, that's kinda the whole point of mythic. Don't forget WoW has a gear treadmill so it takes dedication to just get gear for mythic.Btw, classic raiding was much less accessible than raiding in wrath forward so that comment seems weird to me unless he actually means to bash super easy content.I recall ghostcrawler once said it was a bad idea but all I could find now is this:https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://amp.reddit.com/r/wow/comments/52g9sn/ghostcrawler_on_what_his_worst_design_decision_is/&ved=2ahUKEwjEh_mB2-fnAhVH2aQKHdovCIIQFjAHegQIBhAB&usg=AOvVaw2f8b7q6iCpIfhAaYFdhR1_In this vid asmondgold explains why it's such a bad idea: Nixxiom, another big wow youtuber articulates the problems well enough: