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@Obtena.7952 The LWS1 example was just because you said they had not removed anything when you know that isn't true, of course it's not the reason I left so not sure why you latched onto that. That wouldn't even make sense when I've said I enjoyed the game at that point. As you rightly say with many thousands of hours in the game the value has been exceptionally high, time and money very well spent, but that is in the past and the game cannot live on old content alone, it gets stale and boring and has no continuing value once it has outlived its fun times. I'm not counting old content in current value as it is at that boring point for me so there is no current continued value in it just because it had in the past, and recent releases (or well since PoF a fair amount of them) have been a negative experience so personally have no value either.

The game being quite good and offering high value is just an opinion, I'd say it is awful now and offers little value at this point, but that is also just an opinion.\ Obviously it wasn't always this way to me Who were the fringe players they were trying to retain btw, are 7 year vets included in that? What were the actions they took that you consider to be straying? It offers as much value as it did in the past ... Anet didn't remove anything. Also, the price didn't change ... so what you are saying doesn't make sense. But you uninstalled anyways ... so what do you care? You're done right?Technically they did remove things - LW Season 1 for the big example.Value and the game being good are personal opinions though and value of older content that was enjoyable still reduces over time after it's been repeated enough - that's why fresh content is important to an MMO. and What has been added for a while has been lacking in quality - again my opinion, shared by many from the complaints, disagreed with by many I assume from the defending. Yeah I left but didn't realise that bans me from being frustrated at the path of the game I liked. You ignored the question about fringe players btw.

The game being quite good and offering high value is just an opinion, I'd say it is awful now and offers little value at this point, but that is also just an opinion.\ Obviously it wasn't always this way to me Who were the fringe players they were trying to retain btw, are 7 year vets included in that? What were the actions they took that you consider to be straying?

Yes. It's called perspective. Seeing how bad other people have it let you know how good you have it. Be happy with your drink of urine, the guy over there paid for a plate of poop. It's not so bad. Just because other situations are bad doesn't automatically make everything else 'having it good', just comparatively less bad And GW2 is certainly not 'having it good' right now. Quit being overdramatic. Nobody is forcing you to eat excrement. Yeah because I uninstalled it.

Yes. It's called perspective. Seeing how bad other people have it let you know how good you have it. Be happy with your drink of urine, the guy over there paid for a plate of poop. It's not so bad. Just because other situations are bad doesn't automatically make everything else 'having it good', just comparatively less bad And GW2 is certainly not 'having it good' right now.

It might be a pointless poll as the obvious answer is no, but the intention is probably more about if we wish to support or continue playing a game that makes things worse to charge for the solution. So I've answered No, as I wont support it anymore

Patch in and monetize it? No, how about not releasing something so flawed until it's ready?

I had a great idea, it would be great to add a gem store item for allowing us to mark a build loadout as auto-swap, maybe 80000 gems each? It's not like the feature existed before this abomination of a patch. Seriously ArenaNet, please shove this failed awful excuse for an attempt at template where the sun doesn't shine. Not even counting all the bugs with it, it's literally worse than what existed already in-game.

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So going back to what I said to you and your Walmart comparisons:"you don't NEED a shopping cart to carry your groceries, you could carry them in your hands and make multiple trips - and be happy about it, this cart is a convenience and you must pay for goods and services rendered." So if you think the features being on the gemstore is funding the content, then it's like paying for the cart but having free groceries as much as you can fit in! and the loophole is you can skip the cart and carry by hand and pay nothing beyond a onetime membership fee for the store! Not sustainable and not done by the majority of games thankfully

No it's not, because I never made any of the specific and absolutely ridiculous comparisons you have. My comparison is at a MUCH higher level... Anet is a business that charges customers to access their goods and services ... just like ANY OTHER business does. So no, the question here is not why are they charging for this feature ... because being charged for goods and services is a REASONABLE expectation any customer should have when they walk through the door of any business. you don't NEED a shopping cart to carry your groceries, you could carry them in your hands and make multiple trips - and be happy about it, this cart is a convenience and you must pay for goods and services rendered. I don't know what you are talking about. If you want to talk about groceries ... you go ahead. I'm talking about businesses and how business works. ANY business. You're the one that has compared it to not wanting to pay at Walmart (or whatever supermarket/store), in this thread and to me directly in another thread. Features are the cart, not the groceriesYou don't play the features, you use them to play the game.You don't eat the kitten cart, you use it to store the groceries as you collect them in the store - the things that you are paying for. Yeah, because Walmart is a business ... I made no other comparison beyond that. You dug some hole about shopping carts ... then proceeded to fall into it. Let me know when you get out again. A business selling groceries, not shopping carts yes, why do you think ArenaNet should be selling "shopping carts" (UI Features) and not groceries (content)? I think this is beyond your understanding. I'm sorry. It's not beyond my understanding ... you're just making comparisons that had nothing to do with my point, so I'm not going to bother with them. Anet is a business, just like the businesses I referred to ... just like any other business, in the sense that they offer goods and services in exchange for money from customers. That's not exceptional, so it's reasonable to expect the same for Anet. Let me know when you cleared the shopping carts. You're the one that brought up not wanting to pay for groceries in another thread on this feature and again compare it to Walmart and how we expect different just because it's some game dev and we're being unreasonable. But in your world that means when you step into the store you should reasonably expect to pay for using the cart - that is a service provided by the store, even though the thing you are there for is the groceries. But you know this is not the case, and would be absurd to suggest it should be just because it's a service the company provides. (Note: If you actually do have to pay to use a cart where you are from and that's why my comparison is confusing then I'm both shocked and pity you.) The features of the game UI nicely fits the position of the shopping cart at a store in this comparison as it's not the thing you are playing the game for, it's not what you PLAY, you just use it to access, play and enjoy the content of the game - the content is taking the place of the groceries at the store as it's the thing we are here for. Content - to play the kitten game. and I'd 100% expect to pay for No reasonable person would walk into ANY OTHER BUSINESS and expect a whole bunch for free stuff. Somehow you went on some tangent about bags and carts and I'm not getting dragged into whatever you think is some relevant comparison to justify the ridiculous sense you should get things for free. The fact that you focus so much on it s demonstrates you didn't get the point I'm making. People have somehow created this exception ... but there isn't one .... Anet is a business, just like ANY OTHER BUSINESS. It is not unreasonable for Anet to charge people for goods and services and no one should criminalize them for doing so either ... because just like ANY OTHER BUSINESS, you don't walk through their doors and expect a whole bunch of free stuff to rain down on you. You miss the point, as always Obtena. Are build templates (or any of the other MTX UI Unlocks) the thing you enjoy playing, and the content is just there so you can enjoy using your Templates/extra bags/Bank space? They perfectly fit my example as they are not the thing we are playing for, there is no purpose in the features of a game if there is no gameplay. You do understand that right? If you think all goods and services should be paid for at all businesses no matter if the service is actually what you are a customer of the business for or if it's just a service they provide to "help" you purchase things you can actually gain from them, then you are a lost cause to discuss this matter with. Could you answer one question: the current (awful, but still of value) free content comes under "goods and services"Do you want it to continue to be free? Please answer that, even if you ignore everything else (as always).

No it's not, because I never made any of the specific and absolutely ridiculous comparisons you have. My comparison is at a MUCH higher level... Anet is a business that charges customers to access their goods and services ... just like ANY OTHER business does. So no, the question here is not why are they charging for this feature ... because being charged for goods and services is a REASONABLE expectation any customer should have when they walk through the door of any business. you don't NEED a shopping cart to carry your groceries, you could carry them in your hands and make multiple trips - and be happy about it, this cart is a convenience and you must pay for goods and services rendered. I don't know what you are talking about. If you want to talk about groceries ... you go ahead. I'm talking about businesses and how business works. ANY business. You're the one that has compared it to not wanting to pay at Walmart (or whatever supermarket/store), in this thread and to me directly in another thread. Features are the cart, not the groceriesYou don't play the features, you use them to play the game.You don't eat the kitten cart, you use it to store the groceries as you collect them in the store - the things that you are paying for. Yeah, because Walmart is a business ... I made no other comparison beyond that. You dug some hole about shopping carts ... then proceeded to fall into it. Let me know when you get out again. A business selling groceries, not shopping carts yes, why do you think ArenaNet should be selling "shopping carts" (UI Features) and not groceries (content)? I think this is beyond your understanding. I'm sorry. It's not beyond my understanding ... you're just making comparisons that had nothing to do with my point, so I'm not going to bother with them. Anet is a business, just like the businesses I referred to ... just like any other business, in the sense that they offer goods and services in exchange for money from customers. That's not exceptional, so it's reasonable to expect the same for Anet. Let me know when you cleared the shopping carts. You're the one that brought up not wanting to pay for groceries in another thread on this feature and again compare it to Walmart and how we expect different just because it's some game dev and we're being unreasonable. But in your world that means when you step into the store you should reasonably expect to pay for using the cart - that is a service provided by the store, even though the thing you are there for is the groceries. But you know this is not the case, and would be absurd to suggest it should be just because it's a service the company provides. (Note: If you actually do have to pay to use a cart where you are from and that's why my comparison is confusing then I'm both shocked and pity you.) The features of the game UI nicely fits the position of the shopping cart at a store in this comparison as it's not the thing you are playing the game for, it's not what you PLAY, you just use it to access, play and enjoy the content of the game - the content is taking the place of the groceries at the store as it's the thing we are here for. Content - to play the damn game. and I'd 100% expect to pay for it

No it's not, because I never made any of the specific and absolutely ridiculous comparisons you have. My comparison is at a MUCH higher level... Anet is a business that charges customers to access their goods and services ... just like ANY OTHER business does. So no, the question here is not why are they charging for this feature ... because being charged for goods and services is a REASONABLE expectation any customer should have when they walk through the door of any business. you don't NEED a shopping cart to carry your groceries, you could carry them in your hands and make multiple trips - and be happy about it, this cart is a convenience and you must pay for goods and services rendered. I don't know what you are talking about. If you want to talk about groceries ... you go ahead. I'm talking about businesses and how business works. ANY business. You're the one that has compared it to not wanting to pay at Walmart (or whatever supermarket/store), in this thread and to me directly in another thread. Features are the cart, not the groceriesYou don't play the features, you use them to play the game.You don't eat the kitten cart, you use it to store the groceries as you collect them in the store - the things that you are paying for. Yeah, because Walmart is a business ... I made no other comparison beyond that. You dug some hole about shopping carts ... then proceeded to fall into it. Let me know when you get out again. A business selling groceries, not shopping carts yes, why do you think ArenaNet should be selling "shopping carts" (UI Features) and not "groceries" (content)? I think this is beyond your understanding. I'm sorry. If you don't understand the point then there is no reason to continue, the effort is lost on you. It's not hard

No it's not, because I never made any of the specific and absolutely ridiculous comparisons you have. My comparison is at a MUCH higher level... Anet is a business that charges customers to access their goods and services ... just like ANY OTHER business does. So no, the question here is not why are they charging for this feature ... because being charged for goods and services is a REASONABLE expectation any customer should have when they walk through the door of any business. you don't NEED a shopping cart to carry your groceries, you could carry them in your hands and make multiple trips - and be happy about it, this cart is a convenience and you must pay for goods and services rendered. I don't know what you are talking about. If you want to talk about groceries ... you go ahead. I'm talking about businesses and how business works. ANY business. You're the one that has compared it to not wanting to pay at Walmart (or whatever supermarket/store), in this thread and to me directly in another thread. Features are the cart, not the groceriesYou don't play the features, you use them to play the game.You don't eat the damn cart, you use it to store the groceries as you collect them in the store - the things that you are paying for. Edit: THE CART IS A SERVICE PROVIDED BY THE STORE, You don't expect to pay for it DO YOU? Yes, amazing, goods and "services" aren't always paid for, if the "service" is literally just for enabling the usage of an actual paid "goods/service", like the cart to enable you to buy your groceries, or the features of a game UI to enable you to enjoy playing the game and content itself.

No it's not, because I never made any of the specific and absolutely ridiculous comparisons you have. My comparison is at a MUCH higher level... Anet is a business that charges customers to access their goods and services ... just like ANY OTHER business does. So no, the question here is not why are they charging for this feature ... because being charged for goods and services is a REASONABLE expectation any customer should have when they walk through the door of any business. you don't NEED a shopping cart to carry your groceries, you could carry them in your hands and make multiple trips - and be happy about it, this cart is a convenience and you must pay for goods and services rendered. And yes, your comparisons are absurd as you compare it to not wanting to pay for groceries, features to play the game is the shopping cart, not the groceries, making that cart more limited or taking it away entirely makes the groceries shopping harder or unwanted to do at that store even.