Possibly the new Rev Silhouette

[Buran.3796]

  Looks like a one handed Symbol of Resolution animation. Intrigued by all that blue: Jalis and Glint already use tones of blue. Guardians will sue us if we get a third legend with azure shades...

[ChronoPinoyX.7923]

1 minute ago, Legion.4198 said:

One possibility is that it could be an Envoy. Besides Shiro himself, we know 4 of them (although we don't know their backstories):

 

Courier Torivos

Emissary Heleyne

Herald Demrikov

Messenger Vetaura

 

Their origin points where mostly the fact that they were highly recognised criminals that eventually got forced by the Oracle of The Mists into servitude as Envoys. Dunno what they did, but it had to be close to what Shiro did with the Jade Wind if they got forced into Envoy labour. 

[Jumpel.3972]

I wondering  which e-spec icon correspond to this.

They change the position of the harbinger icon to fit the reveal order. So the next one to be reveal look like to be the flame icon but it doesn't really fit to Rev.

Then the last picture show a blue flame 🤔

[Buran.3796]

1 minute ago, Jumpel.3972 said:

I wondering  which e-spec icon correspond to this.

They change the position of the harbinger icon to fit the reveal order. So the next one to be reveal look like to be the flame icon but it doesn't really fit to Rev.

Then the last picture show a blue flame 🤔

   My guess: the flame thing represents an Elementalist (I though about an arrow before the leak), the oni mask a Thief (I guessed a Warrior before, but the twin wielding swords being a Guardian and not a Thief throw that out for the window), and the Revenant eye surrounded by edgy things no clue about what could be at all 🙂 ...

[Parthenos Polias.5683]

2 minutes ago, Jumpel.3972 said:

I wondering  which e-spec icon correspond to this.

They change the position of the harbinger icon to fit the reveal order. So the next one to be reveal look like to be the flame icon but it doesn't really fit to Rev.

Then the last picture show a blue flame 🤔

If next beta is again 3 e-spec then the 5th one with the "oni mask" would be perfect.

As Aeolus said, Kanaxai's sword (Kanaxai's Edge) Was a "Crenallated sword" named "from the saw-tooth crenels on the false edge of its blade." Almost the same design ; a saw blade.

[Brunnsteinangel.2568]

Just running with the leviathan here...

The legendary monster of cantha, symbolising the coean, depth and storms.

 

Using "waves" and "storms" with the weapon and using a "low tide" and "high tide" class mechanic.

 

[RabbitUp.8294]

The cracks in the ground with the blue flames look identical to the portal Rytlock opened during the foefire cleansing. It to close to be a coincidence for me.

 

[draxynnic.3719]

4 hours ago, LucianTheAngelic.7054 said:

Aesthetic has nothing to do with playstyle or mechanics.  We did get SOME of it with Renegade, but not all or even most of it.  The majority of the aesthetic is still missing. 

Nothing about a new "Ritualist" spec has to be similar to Renegade.  To put it in context, ONLY 24 of 112 Ritualist skills in GW1 actually summon spirits.  There's plenty of design room left to have a completely unique spec that isn't just "Renegade 2.0."  The aesthetic and visuals alone are extremely different than Renegade already

And how many of the other skills relate to triggering additional effects when you summon spirits, moving spirits, speeding the recharge of spirits, buffing the damage of spirits, manipulating enemy spirits, supporting spirits in other way, require there to be a spirit present, or otherwise assuming that they're being used on a build that brings one or more spirits onto the field?

 

The core identity and purpose of ritualist was spirits. You could make a ritualist build without them, but this is like saying that monk wasn't intended as a support profession because you could make Smiting builds.

[Acheron.4576]

5 hours ago, Telgum.6071 said:

If you want a ritualist, play renegade.

If you want to play the same ritualist than GW1, play GW1.

 

That's all, I see the debate about that pointless.

To be honest, I think the closest thing to spirit Rit in gw2 is memser more than renegade. Clones/Phantasms are basically spirits. You call them out, they attack and draw attacks away from you, and the whole concept is you manipulate them through out the fight.

As for what I would like to see is a weapon spell Rit concept. Imagine a greatsword weapon and you cast this games version of splinter weapon turning your attacks into cleaves. This is just an example. Using different types of weapon spell depending on the situation at hand.

[Aeolus.3615]

4 hours ago, phokus.8934 said:

Wards are not spirits, that's a bit of a stretch.

 

I ment the renegade utils already works a bit like both, its like a fusion for some passive effect spirits that would cast a ward basicly, reason when we knockback rene util the entire aoe gets knocked back as well.

Edited August 28, 2021 by Aeolus.3615

[draxynnic.3719]

Okay, let's look at what the actual silhouette shows...

 

In addition to the details on the weapon itself, the new silhouette seems to be really playing up the fire angle. Fiery blue background, and a wisp of orange flame in front of the blade. Now, it's possible that it's not actually intended to be fire and when we get the full image it'll become clear that it's something else, but for the time being, that does seem to be a strong hint. Which, unfortunately, does seem like it probably rules out the Leviathan theory, since from memory nothing associated with the Leviathan used fire. It probably also rules out Kanaxai, Urgoz, Zhu Hanuku, and any of the other famous monsters of Cantha that I can think of.

 

So, what could be associated with (great)swords and fire? Lots of things.

 

Based on the image, Adelbern does make for a decent possibility, as much as a lot of people are likely to roll their eyes at another human legend. The Foefire is probably a significant enough event to trigger a legend (we know the Searing spawned a fractal...), and the combination of blue fire with a sword plunged into the ground with portal-like cracks around it is very reminiscent of the Foefire.

 

Asgeir is a non-human possibility, his weapon having been enhanced with a jotun scroll like Eir's bow (the ultimate fate of which we still don't know - Ryland didn't seem to be carrying it when we fought him, and Jormag might well have taken the opportunity to destroy it).

 

Balthazar is a common association. I don't see it happening myself, partially because of the religious aspect and partially because of the potential spoiler aspect. What I could see, though, is something based on a high-level servant of Balthazar, such as the founder of the Zaishen, a high-ranking Eternal, or something like that.

 

Moving into Canthan-specific lore, I don't think there's anyone who obviously fits the mould, but there are a few referenced in history who potentially could. Little enough is known about Kaineng Tah that a legend based on him could be basically anything. Chang Hai is a little more restricted since we know his professions, but could have abilities related to the Celestials. Moving forward in time, fire and swords could be related to the Ministry of Purity (but probably not Reiko). It's also not impossible to be linked to Talon's descendent who led the Tengu exodus from Cantha, although that's something I'd intuitively associate with wind rather than fire - working in fire wouldn't be impossible, though.

[Acheron.4576]

looking at the image and the design of the greatsword. What if the legend is Razah? (a non-human creation that was a ritualist hero in gw1) That greatsword looks a lot like Razah's design. 

[Acyk.9671]

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[Dezember.1295]

2 hours ago, Acheron.4576 said:

looking at the image and the design of the greatsword. What if the legend is Razah? (a non-human creation that was a ritualist hero in gw1) That greatsword looks a lot like Razah's design. 

I mean...

We seem to all agree on that it is indeed a GS that the character is wielding. Most of us agree on that is must be a revenant because it really seems to be using heavy armor, and warrior already have GS available. We can all clearly see the blue radiating from the sword (with streaks of orange, like mentioned by draxynnic.3719 above.)

So, I am not at all well-versed enough in GW lore to make any daring suggestions regarding the legend - however...

We have 6 symbols remaining regarding elite specs. Beast/arrowhead/shield-thing (that most assume is ranger), flame with a gem, mask, eye-icon with spikes, bullet and finally whatever the location-like icon from Google maps is supposed to represent.

Based on the splash - which icons could be fitting? I could go with the flame, like draxynnic said it could easily be passed as blue flames (with a fiery center.) No arguments from me there. Then we have the mask - but since the dual swords did not belong to thief, then I am willing to assume that the mask is the thief's upcoming specialization and hence I'd pass on that suggestion.
My best bet would be that the eye-icon with spikes is the match for the new revenant spec. And my bet would be that we're looking at a ritualist elite spec.

Why? Let me explain: Look at the spikes of both the armor and the sword. They are eerily similar to the eye-symbol (that is generally a good match for the traditional revenant symbols.) But that is hardly enough on it's own - so what else do we have? Like Acheron.4576 mentioned just above, the design in general seems to be very similar to Razah, which is associated with ritualists. The color theme (blue) also matches up with that (some signature spells) of a ritualist from GW1. The eye icon in itself is also VERY similar to the ritualist icon and I was expecting it to be a ritualist espec already when I saw them revlead - however my best bet for a ritualist would have been the necromancer but they got the harbringer so ... Yeah, there really are not very many candidates left... The ritualists are also unique to Cantha - which is the very region we'll be heading to. So yeah, there's that.

However, the one very important factor that makes me not be set solid on the ritualist is the following - what the Fork is the connection between ritualists and great swords? 

 

If Anet indeed wanted to make a ritualist spec, why did they not simply give revenants a scepter or even a dagger? Are they trying to merge the need of a power cleave build with the ritualist fantasy? Am I missing something?

Edited August 28, 2021 by Dezember.1295
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[Thund.2795]

What if this elite spec has no legend? Maybe we learn to contain existing legends (shiro, mallyx, etc...) in urns or enchanted weapon like old ritualist. In this way maybe we can finally customize the utility skill bar because we're not tied to a specific legend...

[draxynnic.3719]

I'm fairly sceptical about claiming that it's ritualist based on the symbol. Yes, it's an eye... but the Revenant symbol is also an eye, and the eye in the elite spec symbol looks a lot more like the Revenant eye than the Ritualist one. Claiming that it's the revenant elite spec because it's an eye, and also that it's going to be Ritualist because it's an eye, feels like it's double-dipping. The eye probably just marks it as a revenant version.

 

I'm also not convinced about the spikes. Razah had his distinctive five-pointed half-star on his head (similar to Funerary heavy, in fact), but that's not the arrangement on the silhouette, and as for the rest of the spikes... Razah only really gets spiky if you give him Primeval, which is more of a characteristic of primeval. For PCs, the only ritualist armours that I'd describe as spiky are Norn and Obsidian, and cross-referencing with other professions that seems to be a general theme of those sets as well.

 

So I don't think spikes really point to ritualist, unless it was in that five-pointed half-star form. Similarly, cross-referencing with the Ministry of Purity, their uniform also has a five-pointed half-star on the forehead and not much in the way of spiky stuff otherwise. So I don't think there's much chance of it being Xun Rao who is suddenly a ritualist because reasons either.

 

I'd also note that the colour doesn't really match ritualist colours either. Ritualist effects are generally a fairly distinctive teal - that blue would honestly be making me think guardian if I didn't know better (which might well be pointing towards Chang Hai).

 

I think the only thing that can really be taken here that could point towards a ritualist-like theme is the observation that was made that the pattern on the ground looks reminiscent of the portal Rytlock went through in S2. Combined with a sword being driven into the ground and a blue flame... that's very reminiscent of the Foefire, and we know what the end result of that was. 

[Scoobaniec.9561]

You guys are looking too much into the art color. It was the same with WB when ppl thought its thief spec bc of some red. I highly doubt it will be another blue colored themed legend cuz we already have 2. Spikes on armor is general rev desing as well and all specs have it

[draxynnic.3719]

14 minutes ago, Scoobaniec.9561 said:

You guys are looking too much into the art color. It was the same with WB when ppl thought its thief spec bc of some red. I highly doubt it will be another blue colored themed legend cuz we already have 2. Spikes on armor is general rev desing as well and all specs have it

I think there is a distinction here - with the original WB silhouette, it was pretty obvious that the colours had been manipulated a lot. Here, it does look like the colour of the sword is actually legitimate, even if the wielder remains in silhouette. So while it's possible that the colour of the background flame will turn out to be different from what's depicted, I'm not going to bet on that being the case.

 

Additionally, I doubt that ArenaNet is deciding the next legend based on colour. It's far more likely, in my mind, that they'll choose based on which legend they can build an interesting playstyle around, and then use whatever colour they figure best fits that legend. Glint won't be available on this elite specialisation, after all, so as long as the colour scheme isn't easily confused with Jalis, it should be fine.

 

If anything, that logic might even be pointing towards the legend being something that the devs really felt had to be blue for some reason.

[GrayHawk.7560]

The blue and red colouring is entirely consistent with core Rev's weapon skill tool tips, the blue flames may not be flames at all and may just be rift energy (see Hammer's skill 4 tool tip),  the most pronounced colour is the sword itself which is warrior colouring, the sword looks like it could be a Tengu weapon, it also looks like the tool tip for Talon Silverwing's " quivering blade" skill.  Tengu are thematically on point given that they protected the Celestials, people have already pointed out the similarity in shape of the Rev eye looking icon and Talon Swiftwing/Soar Honorclaw's silhouette.  My bet is a Tengu and either Talon, his descendant who led the exodus or one of the Honorclaws.

[draxynnic.3719]

That sword really doesn't look like a tengu sword. Tengu swords are mostly smooth curves - the greatsword is khopesh-like, and only has spiky bits in the parts of the blade that have sharp bends. While the silhouette's sword is straight-edged on one side, while the other is covered in extraneous spikes at right angles to the blade to the point where it's like a swordbreaker dagger but greatsword-sized. It's possible that it's just a different style, similar to how historically there were often straight-edged and curved swords being used by the same culture simultaneously, but about the one thing I can see that's actually in common with known tengu designs are a decorative gem or two, but that's not exactly a tengu-specific design element.

 

Meanwhile, basing an argument on a skill icon that Talon only uses in one instance is a bit of a stretch.

 

I also don't see spikes as really being a tengu aesthetic? None of the known tengu groupings have spiked armour. Quetzal tengu have raised feathers, but they don't appear to be linked to Cantha or the Dominion of Winds, and even if they were, the silhouette doesn't match. Angchu have fairly flat feathers.

 

Not saying it can't be the case, but most of the evidence you're claiming doesn't hold up.

[Bunny.9834]

Prince Rurik. Foefire. 

[Jijimuge.4675]

1 hour ago, DragonSlayer.1087 said:

Prince Rurik. Foefire. 

I like the idea and see where you're going with this, but IIRC Rurik wielded the fiery dragon sword Sohothin;  the sword in the picture is quite different.  As I recall, his flaming sword was quite iconic for him.  There's a little wisp of fire around the sword....I would have expected more if it were intended to evoke parallels to Sohothin.

OTOH, the sword in the image is golden and quite ornate, so looks like the sword of someone with wealth and status.  So perhaps the new legend is of someone with some kind of royal status?

In the real world a sword with that much gold and ornamentation as well as the (somewhat impractical) spikes would be a dress/ceremonial blade....but of course GW2 allows a lot of leeway re using impractical weapons.

[Duke Blackrose.4981]

21 hours ago, Buran.3796 said:

  Looks like a one handed Symbol of Resolution animation. Intrigued by all that blue: Jalis and Glint already use tones of blue. Guardians will sue us if we get a third legend with azure shades...

It's not like blue tones are unique. Teal and orange are the most generic energy colors imaginable in video games.

[azarhal.3086]

The silhouette is in a very similar "animation" to when Rytlock tried to end the Ascalon curse in LS2 Plan of Attack. Ground fissures and flames included.

 

Rytlock wasn't yet a Revenant when he did that, but I supposed he was trying to channel Adelbern to end the Foefire curse...

 

 

[Infusion.7149]

Looks like GReatsword rev

Edited August 28, 2021 by Infusion.7149