AFK in instanced group content (Raids)

[Delita Silverburg.8632]

I kinda want to put this out for discussion, but for many raiders, we often do what we call "pre-clears" before our static runs. In this case, we do things like, W7 Gate, W1 Spirit Run W3 Escort, etc. This leads to one person getting the content cleared ahead of time in a separate pug group of some sort.

Today, I put up an add for Gate, and we had someone join the group and AFK at the entrance while we were clearing. Normally, this would lead to a kick from group, but since we had started the content and were in combat, you cannot kick a person from your squad. I understand that this was a change implemented to prevent a person from being kicked and "trolled" into no rewards right as you were about to get a kill, but when a leecher takes advantage of this to get a free clear, it leads to frustration and resentment by those who actually finished the content fairly and did their share of the work load. I think there should be some sort of punishment for these leechers who are taking advantage of this sort of loophole of not being able to be kicked while anyone in the squad is in combat. I don't really have an immediate suggestion in mind of how to handle this, but since it's been taken out of the player's hands to correct the issue mid fight, there has to be a balance somewhere. Feel free to open any discussion on this topic below.

[Kyrios.8736]

There's a simple solution. /gg, kick and restart.

[Delita Silverburg.8632]

That's not simple though, that actually just punishes the 9 other people even more honestly. Time wasted is a bigger issue of frustration than this.

[Icetea.3204]

On gate you can leave the instance real quick, kick the person that's afk and then rejoin. Works on gate, since you don't die when the encounter is already going on. Same can be done for spirit run and Escort too, you simply can't rejoin. You can leave just before you finish the events and then kick the afk person.

[Shaogin.2679]

29 minutes ago, Kyrios.8736 said:

There's a simple solution. /gg, kick and restart.

This really. Then just block the person and never let them in your group again.

[Fuchslein.8639]

2 hours ago, Shaogin.2679 said:

This really. Then just block the person and never let them in your group again.

This. And then wait. Whoever did this won't be happy for long if this is his tactic. He might get some free LI(As if escort events were not already free LI ...), but at the same time he will end up on a lot of blocklists and the raid community is not that big that you could really afford that.

But other than that, I can agree. I would rather take 10min of wasted time than allow someone to get away with something like that.

The same with flamers, someone could be the best player ever as soon as I see someone like that in a squad and the commi doesn't do anything, they both end up on my blocklist with a note.

[Vinceman.4572]

If you really want all players to be active while clearing make sure you wait for all to get into the raid instance and ready check. If you start earlier or without ready check it's your mistake because you haven't made it clear that you wanted to start! Some people are doing other stuff on 2nd monitor and wait for the rc or are not immediately joining the instance due to a wooden pc etc.

So, stop being impatient, do it correctly and wait for all to be there & ready or accept that you are giving the reward for free.

 

We personally had no problem with people joining later when doing trivial content in raids before harder encounters due to being an agreement of all in the discord/ts. We even gifted bosses like VG, Gorse, Cairn, MO to others joining too late or later while we were impatient to wait. Raids are no rocket science and if we could have shortened the full clear we did so.

 

Just relax and get over it if someone gets a mini reward for free. Not worth the complaining at all.

[Aizza.4950]

Is someone leeching gate really a big deal? It takes 3 people to do it and you don't even get LI/LD for it. It's an open world event basically. Just let the guy get the instance so his static doesn't have to clear it and kick him afterwards.

[Cyninja.2954]

1 hour ago, Aizza.4950 said:

Is someone leeching gate really a big deal? It takes 3 people to do it and you don't even get LI/LD for it. It's an open world event basically. Just let the guy get the instance so his static doesn't have to clear it and kick him afterwards.

Let's think about this for a second.

Why do people do gate? To save time for their static.

What happens when 7 people afk and 3 do all the work? It takes a ton of more time for those which are doing the event while the leeching players do not care, they are likely away from keyboard anyway.

Hey, if people leeching PAY the others, and everyone is fine with it, why not? Otherwise, what makes the leechers time more valuable than of the players actively clearing the event?

Edited September 17, 2021 by Cyninja.2954

[Linken.6345]

18 minutes ago, Cyninja.2954 said:

Let's think about this for a second.

Why do people do gate? To save time for their static.

What happens when 7 people afk and 3 do all the work? It takes a ton of more time for those which are doing the event while the leeching players do not care, they are likely away from keyboard anyway.

Hey, if people leeching PAY the others, and everyone is fine with it, why not? Otherwise, what makes the leechers time more valuable than of the players actively clearing the event?

Well they can just gg and kick they guy if it bothers them that much.

[Fuchslein.8639]

2 hours ago, Aizza.4950 said:

Is someone leeching gate really a big deal? It takes 3 people to do it and you don't even get LI/LD for it. It's an open world event basically. Just let the guy get the instance so his static doesn't have to clear it and kick him afterwards.

The thing for me is, when he needs to leech such an easy and fast encounter who tells me that he does not also leeche other bosses that actually need a few more clicks?
That's one of the reasons why I find this Li/kp stuff so pointless. I've been in groups with people with 250kp/li plus where people with legy armor put down such poor performance, while I've been in groups with zero requirement that cleared completely smoothly.

I am really glad to have found a relaxed and good static and not have to do this nonsense anymore.

If in addition leeching here is even talked small because yes it was "only" escort ... uff

Edited September 17, 2021 by Fuchslein.8639

[Cyninja.2954]

2 hours ago, Linken.6345 said:

Well they can just gg and kick they guy if it bothers them that much.

Agreed, and I personally don't see any need to fix anything here.

The kick denial during encounters/combat servers a purpose preventing specific grieving and trolling from the past.

Edited September 17, 2021 by Cyninja.2954

[Linken.6345]

21 hours ago, Cyninja.2954 said:

Agreed, and I personally don't see any need to fix anything here.

The kick denial during encounters/combat servers a purpose preventing specific grieving and trolling from the past.

For people confused about this post, you used to be able to kick in combat and bad kittens kicked you at 1-5% or when boss was dead mainly last boss wing 3 that take awhile to load and get your rewards.

Fun fact this is also why we get our Li in a bouncy chests nowdays.

[sporkles.6413]

On 9/6/2021 at 4:22 PM, Shaogin.2679 said:

This really. Then just block the person and never let them in your group again.

 

And I wish that they would change lfg so if you have someone blocked they can't see your listing, currently it only works the other way around.