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It's high time for Arenanet to deal with the scourge of bots

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This morning, in ranked PvP, I played a match in which, for the first time in years of such matches, all four of my fellow 'team mates' appeared to be bots. They moved as a bloc, following the usual tells for programmed behaviour.  Lower rank tiers in PvP are now, quite simply, swamped. It is never a question anymore of 'if' bots will be in a match - just of how many. 

In open world, one can see them everywhere. Harvesting mobs on maps 24/7. Sometimes in groups. Sometimes alone. But everywhere. 

The provision of cheating bot apps for GW2 is now so extensive that you can monthly subscribe to services! Imagine that - paying a sub to stay ahead of the game devs, for a free to play game.

One reason bot use is so brazen is the utter failure of Anet to address the issue. It's been years since we've seen widespread account bans. Or a statement, even! And so, cheaters take this as tacit corporate acceptance of botting. And numbers grow, and grow. 

 

PvP is nearing unplayable now, in lower ranks. How many of the opposing team in my match today were bots, I can't say. We even won, as it happens. But what kind of victory is that in a field of cheaters?

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9 minutes ago, Cyninja.2954 said:

 

True, but to believe that the vast majority of "afk farmers" are not bots is pure denial at this point.

Two chances, Anet doesn't care and allow it, or they actively confirm they are not bots by messaging or moving them.

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3 minutes ago, Telgum.6071 said:

Two chances, Anet doesn't care and allow it, or they actively confirm they are not bots by messaging or moving them.

 

Which does not disprove what I said.

 

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Not caring is not synonymous with allowing something. It merely means there is no active actions against it. This in turn can have multiple reasons, some of which also are not related to how much someone cares.

 

If something is allowed or not is in this case defined and explained in the ToS and EULA.

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18 minutes ago, Cyninja.2954 said:

 

Which does not disprove what I said.

 

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Not caring is not synonymous with allowing something. It merely means there is no active actions against it. This in turn can have multiple reasons, some of which also are not related to how much someone cares.

 

If something is allowed or not is in this case defined and explained in the ToS and EULA.

It does if Anet actively confirms they are not bots, an action they already perform. 

Perhaps not as much as they should. But considering the little importance they give to the issue, and after seeing a reddit post of famous bots being unbanned, for me is really clear that they indirectly allow it, even if semantically not caring isn't the same that allowing.

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23 minutes ago, Telgum.6071 said:

It does if Anet actively confirms they are not bots, an action they already perform. 

That's pure speculation on your part. I might just as well assume they do not actively confirm and are just ignoring the issue.

 

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Perhaps not as much as they should. But considering the little importance they give to the issue, and after seeing a reddit post of famous bots being unbanned, for me is really clear that they indirectly allow it, even if semantically not caring isn't the same that allowing.

 

Stores do not allow for petty theft, yet they do not put up hundreds of cameras and check every persons pockets before entering or leaving. Doesn't mean theft is allowed.

 

It's not semantics. Semantics will not get you out of theft IF you do get caught, even it the measures in place to prevent such might be lenient (and no amount of:"oh I thought it was okay to steal because no one stopped me before" will get you far). Semantics should also not get you out of being banned in case you do get found out boting, though for professional bot farms this matter little, it;s the price of doing business. The words you were going for are tolerated or ignored, not allowed.

 

Yes, maybe they are giving little importance to the issue, or maybe the issue is so large, it is something they can't effectively combat. Players addressing the issue are calling attention to it in an attempt to garner support that this issue needs to be put at a higher priority.

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2 minutes ago, Cyninja.2954 said:

That's pure speculation on your part. I might just as well assume they do not actively confirm and are just ignoring the issue.

 

Is not speculation when they have a confirmed protocol.

And yes, you just bring pure semantics and examples serving your convenience. Not going to get into a discussion about this matter, is really obvious they partially allow it, the reason, I don't know.

Good day.

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3 minutes ago, Telgum.6071 said:

Is not speculation when they have a confirmed protocol.

I'm not denying that they are taking action, I am making an assumption that this action is not sufficient enough. Just as you are making an assumption that this action is sufficient.

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And yes, you just bring pure semantics and examples serving your convenience. Not going to get into a discussion about this matter, is really obvious they partially allow it, the reason, I don't know.

Good day.

 

I'm bringing up your poor choice of words sir, I assume in an attempt to give your comment more weight or meaning, as to support your agenda. You not liking this fact is on you.

 

Good day.

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1 hour ago, lokh.2695 said:

Has been discussed without end. ANet doesn't care so why should you. Report and move on with your life if it helps.

Some people don't want to play a game where there are more bots than actual people. You might not care but I do and reporting is clearly not doing enough for anet to act so it needs to be discussed. Over and over if necessary. Until anet either does something about the bots or changes the TOS to allow them.

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Why are our discussions going to change what Anet does about bots? If it helps your sanity to vent on the forums go ahead. Don't expect change from forum posts though. It does happen occasionally but temper your expectations. They decide what happens with their game so don't lose sleep over it. As others have said, report and move on.

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Even taking into account the fact that I believe in people's stories...
A year ago, when I played for about six months and was engaged exclusively in ranked PvP and the open world - if I saw bots, it was only a couple for the whole six months. I wonder how I missed them so much for all the months of my game. 
(EU-servers and yep - I know what MMO bots really is)

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20 minutes ago, Loules.8601 said:

Even taking into account the fact that I believe in people's stories... I wonder how I missed them so much for all the months of my game. 

If you read the PvP forums there's extensive discussion on there about the relatively recent swamping of games by bots. Though it's not perhaps something the wider community is aware of, with PvE folk mainly encountering the mat farmers. 

The standout for me today was an entire side of bots, barring myself. I hated every second. 

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2 hours ago, Fleabite.7528 said:

Also - seems I'm not the only one to recently experience an entire team of bots alongside me. Watch til the end: https://clips.twitch.tv/BetterRamshackleHornetMoreCowbell-Zubyr_sJh4_78Aat

 

Don't worry, I'm sure there will be someone around soon enough to question if those really are bots. I mean maybe just randomly 4 players decided to walk exactly the same path, have the exact same issues with terrain and start at the exact same moment in time related to the game start to start moving. /s

 

Thing to note:

this is at 3:56 a.m. It is wildly assumed that bots, especially in spvp, are more active during night time (in relation to the servers primary time zone). The questions from this which arise thus are:

1. would players during such early hours in relation to their time zone have far to long wait time?

2. how many full bot vs bot games are happening every night without anyone even noticing?

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52 minutes ago, Shaogin.2679 said:

Maybe the bots in PvP belong to Anet as a way off padding the queue. Like how if you go play CoD Mobile there are bots everywhere.

 

Possible, yet highly unlikely.

 

If the developers had bots in place, it would make far more sense to actually make them distinguishable from regular players. That way if people wondered, they could give an official reason as to why they are running them and not make this game seem as though it was bot heaven at certain times of day.

 

Also highly unlikely that these bots would have guilds etc.

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1 hour ago, Cyninja.2954 said:

 

Possible, yet highly unlikely.

 

If the developers had bots in place, it would make far more sense to actually make them distinguishable from regular players. That way if people wondered, they could give an official reason as to why they are running them and not make this game seem as though it was bot heaven at certain times of day.

 

Also highly unlikely that these bots would have guilds etc.

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Main question for me here - what the idea behind those bots? There not so much gold in PvP and it's problematic for main account progression - because there is risk to get perm-ban. I can understand gathering bots, but PvP?... Why do you even need bots in PvP?

 

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1 hour ago, Loules.8601 said:

Main question for me here - what the idea behind those bots? There not so much gold in PvP and it's problematic for main account progression - because there is risk to get perm-ban. I can understand gathering bots, but PvP?... Why do you even need bots in PvP?

This is exactly the problem we are talking about : there isnt any risk at all.

And I think it's a bit sad the first posts of this thread are about afk farmers, when bots are literally everywhere, anytime in pvp (especially in NA). 

I dont give a kitten about afk farmers, but bots in pvp are just transgressing every rules of the game mode. They should'nt exist at all. It's even worst than hacking or at least at same lvl of "just ban anet wtf are you doing".

When you are a pvp player, you have the feeling that anet has completely abandonned the ship. 

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29 minutes ago, The Fear.3865 said:

This is exactly the problem we are talking about : there isnt any risk at all.

And I think it's a bit sad the first posts of this thread are about afk farmers, when bots are literally everywhere, anytime in pvp (especially in NA). 

I dont give a kitten about afk farmers, but bots in pvp are just transgressing every rules of the game mode. They should'nt exist at all. It's even worst than hacking or at least at same lvl of "just ban anet wtf are you doing".

When you are a pvp player, you have the feeling that anet has completely abandonned the ship. 

Question again - for what do you need to use bot in PvP? There is no much rewards for it

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