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[Genesis.5169]

Share builds for fear of anet nerfing them?

I had a conversation with a couple of high ranking players who do not share builds for that reason, I am also in the same boat. Are we alone? Do you guys do the same?

 

Now that i've really settled in the meta it feels like alot of players still have ptsd, and do not trust anet. Maybe we are tinfoiling hence is why I am asking are our fears legitimate?

 

The website's that people goto is truly out of date builds by the way those do not count.

Edited September 15, 2021 by Genesis.5169

[Azure The Heartless.3261]

28 minutes ago, Genesis.5169 said:

Share builds for fear of anet nerfing them?

I had a conversation with a couple of high ranking players who do not share builds for that reason, I am also in the same boat. Are we alone? Do you guys do the same?

 

Now that i've really settled in the meta it feels like alot of players till have ptsd, and do not trust anet.

Maybe we are tinfoiling hence is why I am asking are our fears legitimate?

 

The website's that people goto have truly out of date builds by the way it those do not count.

I don't share builds because there's no  area between "garbage" and "op" for a large portion of the playerbase. If there isnt a build they can copy and paste and do well with, its trash. if there is a build that gives them some success, everyone runs it and it pisses everyone else off, until anet has to step in and shake the meta to make people try something else. 

I share tactics, but not builds. If people want a build I'm using, they're free to watch me fight and try to suss it out themselves. It's not that I dont trust Anet (and I don't, but that's another story), its that I  don't trust the players to do anything other than "what works" until they are given a reason to do that, and usually that reason involves anet forcing them by nerfing the popular build. 

Edited September 14, 2021 by Azure The Heartless.3261

[Khalisto.5780]

There isn't much to hide tho.

 

It's not like pvp has a lot of options, most classes have that "must have" core traitline, you just need to figure out the one left.

 

There aren't that many amulets and sigils too.

 

And a close look to the icons below your hp bar will probably give up what trait line you are running, from there you just get the build by eliminating very bad trait options.

[Multicolorhipster.9751]

No, I share all the ridiculous immortal CC-spamming bunker builds I find to work semi-decently with anyone who asks.

 

They're all 0 damage, and most of them haven't been nerfed yet. I really don't expect them to since it seems this is the way that sPvP is meant to be played now.

 

Peaceful protest. Namaste. 🙏

[LuRkEr.9462]

Its not like the ANet partner streamers can't see the builds. Mighty Teapot shows players builds all the time during tournaments. 

Its also not hard to guess what their build is in PvP based on their class, skills used, weapons, etc. 

 

Also ANet can see the builds whenever they choose. People acting like builds are some super secret sauce 😛

[Khalisto.5780]

12 minutes ago, Multicolorhipster.9751 said:

No, I share all the ridiculous immortal CC-spamming bunker builds I find to work semi-decently with anyone who asks.

 

They're all 0 damage, and most of them haven't been nerfed yet. I really don't expect them to since it seems this is the way that sPvP is meant to be played now.

 

Peaceful protest. Namaste. 🙏

Lmao. Mace shield hammer spell breaker pls

[Avatar.3568]

It's hard to say op build, some secret op builds are not op yet, because one or two meta builds is gate keeping them

[Filip.7463]

3 hours ago, Genesis.5169 said:

Share builds for fear of anet nerfing them?

I had a conversation with a couple of high ranking players who do not share builds for that reason, I am also in the same boat. Are we alone? Do you guys do the same?

 

Now that i've really settled in the meta it feels like alot of players still have ptsd, and do not trust anet. Maybe we are tinfoiling hence is why I am asking are our fears legitimate?

 

The website's that people goto have truly out of date builds by the way those do not count.

Even if top players dont show their build, the first person that fights them can know what he is playing till the last trait… also streamers usually show builds of other people in at/mat

[voltaicbore.8012]

2 hours ago, Khalisto.5780 said:

There isn't much to hide tho.

 

It's not like pvp has a lot of options, most classes have that "must have" core traitline, you just need to figure out the one left.

 

There aren't that many amulets and sigils too.

 

And a close look to the icons below your hp bar will probably give up what trait line you are running, from there you just get the build by eliminating very bad trait options.

 

Agreed. Even if you're a bad spvp player like me, if you play enough classes for long enough, it's pretty obvious what most baseline choices are. A lot of warrior builds lean on the Defense line, Wilderness Survival is basically a requirement for most rangers, etc. Add to that the ever-shrinking amulet choices, and it makes things that much easier to figure out.

 

1 hour ago, LuRkEr.9462 said:

Its not like the ANet partner streamers can't see the builds. Mighty Teapot shows players builds all the time during tournaments. 

Its also not hard to guess what their build is in PvP based on their class, skills used, weapons, etc. 

 

Also ANet can see the builds whenever they choose. People acting like builds are some super secret sauce 😛

 

Also big true. That said, this is coming from a player perspective. It might as well be a secret to CMC and ANet though.

[Multicolorhipster.9751]

2 hours ago, Khalisto.5780 said:

Lmao. Mace shield hammer spell breaker pls

Way ahead of you 😎👌

[Killthehealersffs.8940]

If we give them more data , they won't "let it fester" for 8 months  in the other hand .

 

Oh well , i found a daily gold hero spec that allow me to have some small chances around g3-p1 ,  but it uses  Rampager Amulet and Runes of soldier  😞

Edited September 15, 2021 by Killthehealersffs.8940

[Blood Red Arachnid.2493]

I'm always paranoid about this.  I pick my builds largely based around statistical strength and utility, since I have problems tracking people and evading.  This usually means that the build gets nerfed out eventually.

 

RIP my hammer herald.  

[JusticeRetroHunter.7684]

I’m a theorycrafter so I share theory as well as build craft based on those theories. However there are some builds that are so broken (by broken, it borders on exploitative…infinite dodge builds, complete condition immunity…infinite healing…things of this nature) that I do not share them publicly only private or not at all…mainly because I think anet will nerf it before I see it used to any interesting capacity. Most of these exploitative builds aren’t even practical without group coordination, but simply the fear of seeing mechanics removed because of oversight is silly to me.

mild example from years ago…back in core, I mucked  around with epidemic, which was not very well known at the time for being decent at all. Thing is, if used in coordination in a team of necromancers you could stack basically 100s of conditions in a team fight…which was pretty broken.

it eventually gained notice in WvW and PVE where it could more readily be manipulated and was nerfed I think some time late HOT where it became way too much of a problem there.

I’m sure if I actually published that information all that could have happened way faster…so I’m glad I didn’t because we got to see some great memes from those time periods.

 

Edited September 15, 2021 by JusticeRetroHunter.7684

[Leonidrex.5649]

10 hours ago, Genesis.5169 said:

Share builds for fear of anet nerfing them?

I had a conversation with a couple of high ranking players who do not share builds for that reason, I am also in the same boat. Are we alone? Do you guys do the same?

 

Now that i've really settled in the meta it feels like alot of players still have ptsd, and do not trust anet. Maybe we are tinfoiling hence is why I am asking are our fears legitimate?

 

The website's that people goto is truly out of date builds by the way those do not count.

I dont care, If someone asks I just give my build, if someone is mad about my build I will give them a pointer how to beat it.
If it gets nerfed then whatever, ill cook up something different, but most things I play are good but not over the top, just either very focus on one area, be it stealth, burst or sustained pressure. Or build around specific combos, or pressure types.

[Kuma.1503]

I'll never share my GS Firebrand build. Never!

[Pimsley.3681]

I tend to theory craft a lot. When someone asks, I give. The last time someone asked was during off season 3v3, 2 teammates died and I 1v3. Granted the opponents HP werent full but we ended up winning. 

 

BTW, anyone here on NA mapchat from about an hour ago till now? 

 

It was so peaceful and civilized. Ppl were chatting instead of Qing coz the topic being discussed were so positive and non toxic. Thought I'd share. It was a lovely experience. 

[Pimsley.3681]

With a bit of effort, one can decipher builds, the hard part is figuring out which sigils they're using. At least for me. Basic understanding of traits and how they stack with weapons, utilities, runes and amulets. Im usually about 40-50% accurate, lol, if they share. 

 

Someone can give me the most OP build ever but if I suck, it's no good. That or I need to practice many many hours. 

 

Im not as skilled as most of you here

[Mik.3401]

On a contrary I seem to see people sharing their builds a lot, everyone play what streamers design

Edited September 15, 2021 by Mik.3401

[Pimsley.3681]

Well, I can understand where Genesis is coming from. I put myself in his shoes (he's a top NA player) and I can see why he's hesitant to share. 

 

Really depends on skill level and placement. Im just average at best so Im free for all but if I were in top 30 (which will never happen), I'd be on guard of my build. 

[Pimsley.3681]

22 minutes ago, Mik.3401 said:

On a contrary I seem to see people sharing their builds a lot, everyone play what streamers design

Absolutely. The streamer I follow sometimes, is super open about his build and even explains why he changed runes, trait etc for that match. Even if I copy and follow his build, I will never be as good.

At most, I get inspiration (lol mesmer trait ❤️ )

 

He's a pianist on ele. 

I've played some weird builds and did ok with it because I only hover in mid-gold. Yes, Im food for duo plats. 

[FrownyClown.8402]

Solo play builds and team play builds are different because more stuff works with coordonation. I think people that do tournaments with a team is justified not wanting to give out how they play. For solo pvp have at it.

[Grand Marshal.4098]

I have found an OP Berserker build that's amazing in decapping, roaming, +1'ing , teamfights and support...

 

But it's like super secret. You guys probably don't even have the correct traitlines outside the core 5.

 

Oops I didn't mean to say that 😲

[TrollingDemigod.3041]

31 minutes ago, Grand Marshal.4098 said:

I have found an OP Berserker build that's amazing in decapping, roaming, +1'ing , teamfights and support...

 

But it's like super secret. You guys probably don't even have the correct traitlines outside the core 5.

 

Oops I didn't mean to say that 😲

Is it by any chance called "Revenant" ?

[Grand Marshal.4098]

1 minute ago, TrollingDemigod.3041 said:

Is it by any chance called "Revenant" ?

🔫

[Genesis.5169]

14 hours ago, FrownyClown.8402 said:

Solo play builds and team play builds are different because more stuff works with coordonation. I think people that do tournaments with a team is justified not wanting to give out how they play. For solo pvp have at it.

You mean for protection of the teams strategy?