Arheundel.6451 Posted October 9, 2021 Share Posted October 9, 2021 I love ranger pet and even more playing around them but...good lord...every few months there is a new nerf trend about some pet that unfortunately managed to do dmg on a player, it has been for years now, this community cries its eyes out if they get killed by a ranger. God forbid you kill somebody in wvw/pvp with a ranger....soon enough later there will be some passive aggressive nerf threads on reddit, followed by some more on the forum. It is a good thing that these devs keep track of class gameplay ratio and they see how this class doesn't succeed above a certain level ( average player), after which it becomes rather...."ok", it doesn't get abused like holosmith/scrappers/firebrand/necros of all sort/thieves and ofc revenants of all shapes and forms. The truth is this class at equal skill level, gets outsustained and outdamaged by holosmith/scrapper/revenants and even thieves with the right build, guardians with the right set up (like dh) are a pain to deal with, given the near lack of unblockable on this class(outside the meme oneshot that HunT signet is useless) Despite all of this, I still enjoy this class...it's more than decent, not the top dog class but not even the worst out there.....now back to the main topic: the elite, we now are guaranted it's a hammer elite (juggernaut here we go) so: 1) Hope it is an AoE based spec, PBAoE hopefu;lly for wvw zerg fights and small group contribution 2) I pray it is a brawler spec like scrapper/holosmith , we have enough duellist specs but..yeah....I won't hold my breath about this one 3) No pets based..just because...I can't deal with another 4-5 years of "whhaaaa the XX pet bited me and it hurts!" Those are my main hopes, I can deal with kitten traits and utilities as those can be changed...it's the concept that must be solid, my last hope for EoD..the rest I am not interested 6 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morwath.9817 Posted October 9, 2021 Share Posted October 9, 2021 I pray for "I will avange you!" hammer pet spec from GW1 😁 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
itspomf.9523 Posted October 9, 2021 Share Posted October 9, 2021 Have you tried playing Soulbeast? 5 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magic fly.2041 Posted October 10, 2021 Share Posted October 10, 2021 (edited) Both of the ranger especs try to push the pet away. We need one that either keeps the pet at regular full power or buffs it somehow, since anything that currently buffs the pet is better off on a merged soulbeast making it extremely hard to justify any real investment into pets outside of soulbeasts who barely even have a pet. Edited October 10, 2021 by magic fly.2041 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lazze.9870 Posted October 10, 2021 Share Posted October 10, 2021 6 hours ago, magic fly.2041 said: We need one that either keeps the pet at regular full power Core ranger. 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AkantorCZ.8952 Posted October 10, 2021 Share Posted October 10, 2021 I would love see elite spec with the single strong and more interactive pet as well. Or special interaction with animal mounts that would be cool. Whatever it will be it would be nice if AN could at least fix the current pet system (pet stats, boon effects on pets, pet team member priority in the party, etc.). 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MatyrGustav.6210 Posted October 10, 2021 Share Posted October 10, 2021 Soulbeast is your answer. Personally I was hoping for a 1 pet Elite Spec. Instead of 2 Juvenile pets you get 1 Adult pet that's stronger lol 7 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Levetty.1279 Posted October 10, 2021 Share Posted October 10, 2021 On one hand I would like an actual pet spec to mess around with in PvE and really miss the old Iboga attack and would like a trait or something like that. On the other hand Anet doesn't know what to do with pets, PvP players will whine about any pet spec till its nerfed and by design they can't be useful in WvW. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InsaneQR.7412 Posted October 10, 2021 Share Posted October 10, 2021 (edited) Honestly i just pray for a spec that has a good class mechanic that flows well, is engaging and benefits multiple builds. As long as these points are met i will probably enjoy the spec. Edited October 12, 2021 by InsaneQR.7412 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anduriell.6280 Posted October 11, 2021 Share Posted October 11, 2021 (edited) 21 hours ago, MatyrGustav.6210 said: Soulbeast is your answer. Personally I was hoping for a 1 pet Elite Spec. Instead of 2 Juvenile pets you get 1 Adult pet that's stronger lol Other players already cry in the forums when you get a pet which outshine a bit ( smokescale comes to mind for example). Do not think if we get an "adult" pet with better damage it will not be nerfed to the oblivion. The only way i could see pets working out is if they go full support and become invulnerable to damage or something similar. So basically petless ranger. Edited October 11, 2021 by anduriell.6280 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lazze.9870 Posted October 11, 2021 Share Posted October 11, 2021 On 10/10/2021 at 2:04 PM, MatyrGustav.6210 said: Soulbeast is your answer. Not if you want ranger to break into the wvw meta. Staying permamerged isn't enough by itself. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dadnir.5038 Posted October 11, 2021 Share Posted October 11, 2021 One way or another there will be a pet on the next e-spec because of core traits, skills and down skill. What the next e-spec need is to lose access to the common pet list and, instead, be tied to 4-5 e-spec specific pets that does very little damage but have this buff: https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Determined NB.: Despite this buff these pets still need to be suceptible to hard CC (I don't remember if the buff stop them or not as it is). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lan Deathrider.5910 Posted October 11, 2021 Share Posted October 11, 2021 What if you merged into the pet rather than the pet merge into you? What I see working is ending up with a specific 'pet' list and lose all the core, HoT, and PoF pets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doggie.3184 Posted October 11, 2021 Share Posted October 11, 2021 (edited) I wouldn't mind since the game doesn't let me use the pet I want to like GW1 does so I don't have as much love for them as I did there. In fact I stopped playing my Ranger when they nerfed Iboga and then Soulbeast swapping cuz it pretty much killed off two pets I liked and now everyone just uses ugly pigs. If we could train/pick what skills/stats we wanted them to have then maybe they'd be more fun. But such things are beyond GW2 and majority of them just aren't used. Edited October 11, 2021 by Doggie.3184 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dadnir.5038 Posted October 11, 2021 Share Posted October 11, 2021 2 hours ago, Lan Deathrider.5910 said: What if you merged into the pet rather than the pet merge into you? Granted how refined pets animations are and how cluncky transformations are in general, that would be absolutely awful. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lan Deathrider.5910 Posted October 11, 2021 Share Posted October 11, 2021 13 minutes ago, Dadnir.5038 said: Granted how refined pets animations are and how cluncky transformations are in general, that would be absolutely awful. I know, but it isn't past Anet to do that. They seem to love clunky mechanics lately. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lazze.9870 Posted October 11, 2021 Share Posted October 11, 2021 (edited) 4 hours ago, Dadnir.5038 said: One way or another there will be a pet on the next e-spec because of core traits, skills and down skill. Core traits and skills are already solved by doing it the soulbeast way, which they can do for any petless kind of ranger, adjusting them to match the power level they want the spec to be. Soulbeast will still have the distinction of merging in and out and getting the archtype specific stats, skills as well as the pet family skills. There is one trait that needs to be changed, Empathic Bond, and that trait should have been changed a long time ago anyway. It's worthless unless stacked with Natural Stride, Melandru runes and food, and never used in PvE either. Down skills can easily have the pet be summoned. Especially if there is some kind of "aspect" mechanic that is based on archtypes, which means you choose the pets anyway even if they're not involved in the mechanic. Or, they find some clever alternative. Edited October 11, 2021 by Lazze.9870 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ehecatl.9172 Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 GW2 PVPers have such a weirdly fragile ego concerning "AI". I can't think of another competitive game I've played where people complain so much about other classes having AI assistance through class design. Ranger was conceptualized as a pet class. Our pet mechanic should be every bit as impactful and useful as any other class' mechanic. Anything less just isn't fair game balance. 8 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jabronee.9465 Posted October 13, 2021 Share Posted October 13, 2021 No worries people! The new Ranger e-spec is The Shapeshifter! The Shapeshifter could transform into the pet of choice! Its the best of both worlds as you can transfer into the pets itself. I wanna be a Jacaranda. Hiding in plain sight as i will be a tree and no one would noticed. Of course it would automatically switched my nameplate to Jacaranda 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anduriell.6280 Posted October 13, 2021 Share Posted October 13, 2021 1 hour ago, Jabronee.9465 said: No worries people! The new Ranger e-spec is The Shapeshifter! The Shapeshifter could transform into the pet of choice! Its the best of both worlds as you can transfer into the pets itself. I wanna be a Jacaranda. Hiding in plain sight as i will be a tree and no one would noticed. Of course it would automatically switched my nameplate to Jacaranda ahaha what about the ranger transforms into the same pet as it is equipped (with name plate and all) and then the enemy players have to play guessing game... The pvp cries... the cries in the forum... i am seeing them already.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jabronee.9465 Posted October 13, 2021 Share Posted October 13, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, anduriell.6280 said: ahaha what about the ranger transforms into the same pet as it is equipped (with name plate and all) and then the enemy players have to play guessing game... The pvp cries... the cries in the forum... i am seeing them already.... Yeah kinda similar to Mesmer clones. But unlike Mesmers, Shapeshifters are more related to animals or in this case pets. Wvw scenarios. If i see a bunch of wolves and a boar is in that group there must be something fishy there. Or if i see a bunch of boars and i blindly aoe i'll get aggroed by pigs for no apparent reason as there was no Shapeshifters there. If i see a large group animals doing their own thing in the area that means thats the enermy Blob! Anet could go ham on the Elite Skill. Doppleganger - The Ranger shapeshift into the target itself copying all the armor weapon and build for 10 secs. If the commander is the target then there will be 2 commanders in the enermy team as it copies the tag too. If more than one Shapeshifter target the commander then there will me more than 2 commanders on the enermy team for 10 secs. Edited October 13, 2021 by Jabronee.9465 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anduriell.6280 Posted October 13, 2021 Share Posted October 13, 2021 47 minutes ago, Jabronee.9465 said: Yeah kinda similar to Mesmer clones. But unlike Mesmers, Shapeshifters are more related to animals or in this case pets. Wvw scenarios. If i see a bunch of wolves and a boar is in that group there must be something fishy there. Or if i see a bunch of boars and i blindly aoe i'll get aggroed by pigs for no apparent reason as there was no Shapeshifters there. If i see a large group animals doing their own thing in the area that means thats the enermy Blob! Anet could go ham on the Elite Skill. Doppleganger - The Ranger shapeshift into the target itself copying all the armor weapon and build for 10 secs. If the commander is the target then there will be 2 commanders in the enermy team as it copies the tag too. If more than one Shapeshifter target the commander then there will me more than 2 commanders on the enermy team for 10 secs. oh you are being serious.... No that would not happen or even work. How would you manage? do your shapeshifter change teams too? If so would you be damaged by enemy AoEs or your old team AoEs? Copying or Stealing the skills may work, but that's more a thief or mesmer theme than a ranger one. Shapeshift the ranger to look like the pet would be funny to watch and maybe to play with for a bit but it would not work for actual competitive. How would you manage the pet skills? Wouldn't it feel underpowered against a propper weapon skills? Would utility skills still be available? If so would there be any animations for those skills? If not how would it interact with the enemy players when the pet-ranger cast entangle or the heal with no animation? You know what? It could be a tonic transformation . Not a combat one but a normal which takes you out as soon as you enter in combat. That would allow all the classes to look like a horde of pets running wild thru the Eternal Battlegrounds and you would get your wish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arheundel.6451 Posted October 14, 2021 Author Share Posted October 14, 2021 On 10/12/2021 at 2:22 AM, Ehecatl.9172 said: GW2 PVPers have such a weirdly fragile ego concerning "AI". I can't think of another competitive game I've played where people complain so much about other classes having AI assistance through class design. Ranger was conceptualized as a pet class. Our pet mechanic should be every bit as impactful and useful as any other class' mechanic. Anything less just isn't fair game balance. Welcome to GW2....fair balance is not really up their alley, the sole reason I ask for no pet elite is because new pets always end up being murdered by nerfs as whiners do what whiners will do...whine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xenash.1245 Posted October 15, 2021 Share Posted October 15, 2021 Well since we don't have a pet elite spec yet it'd be nice to see something based around our professions main mechanic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MatyrGustav.6210 Posted October 15, 2021 Share Posted October 15, 2021 (edited) Deleted Edited October 16, 2021 by MatyrGustav.6210 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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