Raids: to whom it may Concern.

[Chapell.1346]

Today i was in full of energy and wanted to continue my progression onwards, be it naturally or organically playing my favorite Casual game (because i cant do multiple mode in a single account using single Character) to catch up Mastery points.

so i get into Aerodome alone and start asking how, meself got into people they were saying do LFG and as you may know; i am a full pledge obedient person, so i did.

 

after 15mins of waiting, all hope is lost so i switch into my another persona; like what the hell? am in internet and the anonymity is strong and see if something can be done by asking if there is a dude right now sitting on that kittening terminal, to my surprise it is an absolute silence.

i told meself ; well maybe the timing and the day wasn't right since fabricating the population doesn't seem right,  so i move on.

 

i mean come on, upon waiting and searching, i can now jump into conclusion that Raids are an absolute Hindrance towards self progression; seeing how bunch of clowns selling runs to new and returning users.

i ask meself, how the kittening hell did them Koreans approve this kitten? i may not be able to give a proper answer so i kept it secret.

so i wouldn't hold my breathe if these bunch of no names trying to make name over the gaming industry is trying to criminality unjust people towards their progression.

 

i may have not been in good terms towards the gaming Administration since i started gaming but if the Management has a chance turning this mistake into right, i will gladly embrace them open arms.

Thoughts?

 

yours truly,

Casual

[Strider Pj.2193]

Dear Casual,

join a training raid guild.

learn through them.

 

Or….,  Find 9 other like minded people and do it yourself.

 

Reading these forums, I can imagine you’ll find 1000 people who feel the way you do.  You should have no trouble.

 

glhf.

Sincerely,

a WvW primary player who really dabbles in raids.

[BunjiKugashira.9754]

First of all, raiding doesn't mix well with most definitions of casual. You're either casual, or you put in the time to understand and train your class / build to raid level.

 

Raids were introduced and marketed as content for the more hardcore players, who felt at the time that open world, dungeons and fractals had nothing to challenge them with. As such, your typical group of casuals has no chance of clearing even a single boss (except maybe Cairn and Escort). That's why you won't find groups of random casuals in lfg.

 

As far as I can see there are three ways into raiding:

1. You already have proof that you're an experienced raider. You can join any group if you can show the required amount of LI and killproof. This obviously doesn't work for raid beginners.

 

2. You are lucky to find a training group that's open for beginners and doesn't ask for any proof of experience. This is usually a static group (s. 3.) that's missing a member or two due to real life.

 

3. Join a raid guild that's training beginners. This usually comes with a spot in a static team and fixed raiding times.

 

So the only real option is number 3. The others rely on items you don't have or luck / stalking the lfg for hours. Even then don't expect to get a raid kill on your first day. Unless your group contains several veterans, you will need multiple sessions before your first easy raid boss falls.

[Cyndercat.7615]

Raids alongside PVP are the best form of self progression as they require you to improve your skill and gameplay to succeed. GW2 being a casual game does not mean everything must be braindead easy. Why do you want to raid if you are a self proclaimed casual anyway? Regardless there are hundreds of guides on how to start raiding online. I suggest starting there. They are much more detailed and helpful than any forum post or 2 line response you will get in game will be. That is if you actually want help and advice and this is not just another 'remove raids' rant.

[Chapell.1346]

1 hour ago, Chapell.1346 said:

to catch up Mastery points.

alone

Raids are an absolute Hindrance towards self progression.

 

Unfortunately some are tied behind Raids, and it seem based upon reading others concern and  idea; there is no way or another option from obtaining them.

Edited October 19, 2021 by Chapell.1346

[BunjiKugashira.9754]

1 minute ago, Chapell.1346 said:

Unfortunately some are tied behind Raids, and it seem based upon reading others concern; there is no way or another option from obtaining them.

Honestly, catching up on mastery points is a bad reason for getting into raids. Killing your first raid boss unlocks the raid mastery, which consumes more mastery points than you're going to gain from raids with reasonable effort.

 

Both HoT and PoF have enough mastery points to complete all masteries without ever stepping into raids or doing expensive collections.

[Sobx.1758]

26 minutes ago, Chapell.1346 said:

Unfortunately some are tied behind Raids, and it seem based upon reading others concern and  idea; there is no way or another option from obtaining them.

There are much more mastery points avaialable than needed to unlock all of the mastery points. You don't need raiding for that.

Edited October 19, 2021 by Sobx.1758

[Dawdler.8521]

God kitten it I knew I was missing something!

Thousands upon thousands of hours wasted and for what? Having fun?! I could have been raiding all this time and self progressing 😐

[Chapell.1346]

1 hour ago, Chapell.1346 said:

Raids are an absolute Hindrance towards self progression; seeing how bunch of clowns selling runs to new and returning users.

to criminality unjust people towards their progression.

 

 

Look, am trying to be the greater evil here by exposing and robbing people income so is time investment to hinder progression.

49 minutes ago, Chapell.1346 said:

Unfortunately some are tied behind Raids ; there is no way or another option from obtaining them.

Ideas are like a crème good one always on top - a forgotten Asuran intern

[Sobx.1758]

48 minutes ago, Chapell.1346 said:

[Unfortunately some are tied behind Raids ; there is no way or another option from obtaining them. ]

Ideas are like a crème good one always on top - a forgotten Asuran intern

There are much more mastery points avaialable than needed to unlock all of the mastery points. You don't need raids for that.

If your goal is to just get every mastery point available in the game, then learn and complete the content they're tied to. That's all there is to it.

Edited October 19, 2021 by Sobx.1758

[Moradorin.6217]

2 hours ago, Chapell.1346 said:

Today i was in full of energy and wanted to continue my progression onwards, be it naturally or organically playing my favorite Casual game (because i cant do multiple mode in a single account using single Character) to catch up Mastery points.

so i get into Aerodome alone and start asking how, meself got into people they were saying do LFG and as you may know; i am a full pledge obedient person, so i did.

 

after 15mins of waiting, all hope is lost so i switch into my another persona; like what the hell? am in internet and the anonymity is strong and see if something can be done by asking if there is a dude right now sitting on that kittening terminal, to my surprise it is an absolute silence.

i told meself ; well maybe the timing and the day wasn't right since fabricating the population doesn't seem right,  so i move on.

 

i mean come on, upon waiting and searching, i can now jump into conclusion that Raids are an absolute Hindrance towards self progression; seeing how bunch of clowns selling runs to new and returning users.

i ask meself, how the kittening hell did them Koreans approve this kitten? i may not be able to give a proper answer so i kept it secret.

so i wouldn't hold my breathe if these bunch of no names trying to make name over the gaming industry is trying to criminality unjust people towards their progression.

 

i may have not been in good terms towards the gaming Administration since i started gaming but if the Management has a chance turning this mistake into right, i will gladly embrace them open arms.

Thoughts?

 

yours truly,

Casual

You can get into raiding if you want. Don't assume just because you constantly see a few sales/selling in lfg that its all it has. the Real groups fill up the sales things stay all day so it can be give one a false impression that its all sales or Experienced runs. I can assure you plenty of training and practice runs come up on lfg.

 

What is your goal?

 

If your goal is to get into raiding you will need to settle into some meta builds and learn rotation well enough to get by and keep trying to improve, spend time reading/watching guides for the wings you want to learn and join training/practice runs and be open that you are new and be willing to listen and learn.

 

If your goal is just to unlock the raid MPs to finish out masteries just cobble a squad together, watch a video on Cairn and go kill him. Its not any harder than a strike mission.

[Naxos.2503]

In general, you can get a lot of Mastery points, enough to clear the entire masteries on all tabs without ever setting a foot in a raid. Make sure you check your achievements and find the mastery point icons to hunt for some you may have missed. Some mastery points can be acquired in story, in the overworld, or through specific actions like killing a specific boss. 

Having -all- the mastery points isn't really useful, as your mastery point display (what replaces your level) is based on the mastery point Spent, not accumulated. 

Furthermore, going for raids only for the purpose of getting mastery points is probably Really counterproductive and isn't going to be particularly of interest to any group of raiders who raid for raiding's sake, or for the rewards (aka their intent is to go for a full run).

The raiding mastery track is indeed unlocked through completing one raid encounter, not a full raid.  So your party should be advertised to that affect alone. I recommend focusing on the Vale Guardian encounter, generally has the easiest tells and is overall not too heavy on the mechanics. Be sure to advertise that you're going only for 1 encounter, not the full raid.

In general, I find that raiders appreciate when your LFG is to the point.

[Obtena.7952]

Yes, you are not in the Twilight Zone OP ... Raids are NOT implemented in a casual friendly way. You will have to do more legwork to get into raids. 

[Xanadrine.4352]

There is no wow version of casual raiding here OP. You have to start from the bottom, that means joining a guild thats willing to take you or raid training team. You can join a pug but most want kill proof, and the ones that dont prob wont get past the first boss anyway. Tonight is reset so there will be a lot of raids going on and training raids you need to look in LFG and look for the forum posts on training raid times and days.

[Moradorin.6217]

I see plenty of training run

3 hours ago, Sobx.1758 said:

There are much more mastery points avaialable than needed to unlock all of the mastery points. You don't need raids for that.

If your goal is to just get every mastery point available in the game, then learn and complete the content they're tied to. That's all there is to it.

Right, which basically boils down to killing on raid boss then getting enough HoT XP and MPs to get to the max number. Not really very hard considering people can just do Cairn or even just do Escort (tower poortal person w XP suggested) and that seems pretty doable for anyone who is playing enough to collect all the MPs, etc.

[Firebeard.1746]

Camp LFG to find groups if you're not using raid discords. listed groups are fairly fleeting, even training. Though i recommend discords or a guild that's willing to train you. I got really lucky and had a guild that had a static for long enough for me to learn so I can do exp runs fairly reliably on wings 1-4. Also, if you find a friendly raider they'll help you. My current GL still helps guildies with their progression even though he does everything at raid reset. 

[Sobx.1758]

56 minutes ago, Moradorin.6217 said:

I see plenty of training run

Right, which basically boils down to killing on raid boss then getting enough HoT XP and MPs to get to the max number. Not really very hard considering people can just do Cairn or even just do Escort (tower poortal person w XP suggested) and that seems pretty doable for anyone who is playing enough to collect all the MPs, etc.

Right. So OP's complaint is either based on a lie (because there's enough mastery points available outside of raids to max all the HoT masteries without completing raid achievements) or it makes no sense to begin with (because it's a complaint about having to play specific content to get mastery points from that content).

Edited October 19, 2021 by Sobx.1758

[Moradorin.6217]

3 minutes ago, Sobx.1758 said:

Right. So OP's complaint is either based on a lie (because there's enough mastery points available outside of raids to max all the HoT masteries without completing raid achievements) or it makes no sense to begin with (because it's a complaint about having to play specific content to get mastery points from that content).

Yea. Im guessing they had been misinformed in some sense too.

[Sulorg.5081]

I think the moderators should ban such posts. This resentment over the complexity of the content is becoming more and more like trolling. Or we (players in guild wars 2 outside the forum) need a glossary with the axiom definition of a casual player. What could be more casual than mastering raids with the guild in the evenings for a couple of weeks on vacation and then go in a couple of times a week and finish them? Enjoy communication, collaboration, etc. Especially for those who have been playing for more than a couple of years and have already mastered all the rest of the content.

[Krzysztof.5973]

1 hour ago, Sulorg.5081 said:

I think the moderators should ban such posts. This resentment over the complexity of the content is becoming more and more like trolling. Or we (players in guild wars 2 outside the forum) need a glossary with the axiom definition of a casual player. What could be more casual than mastering raids with the guild in the evenings for a couple of weeks on vacation and then go in a couple of times a week and finish them? Enjoy communication, collaboration, etc. Especially for those who have been playing for more than a couple of years and have already mastered all the rest of the content.

But why? This is pinnacle image of a forum poster. Just make some tea, sit down and enjoy the ride. It's free entertainment 🙂

[Obtena.7952]

8 hours ago, Sulorg.5081 said:

 What could be more casual than mastering raids with the guild in the evenings for a couple of weeks on vacation and then go in a couple of times a week and finish them?

OH ... well, here is the answer to that question:

1. not having to master raids in the first place

2. not having to plan a specific time with specific people to do a raid in the first place

3. not having to repeat this process of a specific time with specific people multiple times a week to finish them. 

Bottomline ... what could be MORE casual? LOTS of things. 

[Sobx.1758]

1 hour ago, Obtena.7952 said:

2. not having to plan a specific time with specific people to do a raid in the first place

3. not having to repeat this process of a specific time with specific people multiple times a week to finish them. 

Luckily you don't need to do that at all.

1 hour ago, Obtena.7952 said:

Bottomline... what could be MORE casual? LOTS of things. 

The bottomline -without derailing this thread into something it's not- remains as before: OP's complaint is either based on a lie or just doesn't make much sense to begin with. He doesn't need to do raids for masteries -there's enough non-raid MPs to max out all HoT masteries.

[Obtena.7952]

13 minutes ago, Sobx.1758 said:

Luckily you don't need to do that at all.

Let's put it this way ... the alternative isn't casual friendly either so ... 🤷‍♂️

The point here is the described approach by the poster is the LEAST casual friendly we could possibly have. It shows a significant lack of understanding of the casual mindset by someone proclaiming how awesomely implemented raids are for that crowd. There is NOTHING casual friendly about adhering to schedules, content mastery or repetitive activities. Most people can tolerate some of that, but not all of it. 

Edited October 20, 2021 by Obtena.7952

[Sobx.1758]

39 minutes ago, Obtena.7952 said:

Let's put it this way ... the alternative isn't casual friendly either so ... 🤷‍♂️

Yes, it is. Grouping up or existance of harder content isn't somehow automatically not casual friendly. If anything, it seems you're misunderstanding the term you're bringing up here, but you're free to think whatever you want about it so w/e.

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The point here is the described approach by the poster is the LEAST casual friendly we could possibly have. It shows a significant lack of understanding of the casual mindset by someone proclaiming how awesomely implemented raids are for that crowd. There is NOTHING casual friendly about adhering to schedules, content mastery or repetitive activities. Most people can tolerate some of that, but not all of it. 

Cool, most of what was described there isn't needed anyways (except actually he still describes it in a rather casual way of taking on harder new content -it gets less casual friendly if you want to rush it or are hard set on clearing full wings every week, but nothing like that is required for anything here, everyone makes their own decisions 🤷‍♂️), so not sure why it's important to focus on that. Maybe focus on explaining OP how he doesn't need raids to max out his HoT masteries he'll actually use while casually playing however he wants. 😉

Edited October 20, 2021 by Sobx.1758

[Obtena.7952]

24 minutes ago, Sobx.1758 said:

Yes, it is. Grouping up or existance of harder content isn't somehow automatically not casual friendly.

OK ... I didn't say it was automatic. I've always maintained that the implementation is the cause and it's not just one factor that makes it non casual friendly, it's many.