MrForz.1953 Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 (edited) Canthan engineers dabbing real hard on asuras. 😂 I'll see if I can't go full Imperial and have that pet be a helpful steward of sorts. Edited October 22, 2021 by MrForz.1953 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aedil.1296 Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 Oola would approve 👍 My elementalist hearth is crying 😭 We could have been summoners! 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jski.6180 Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 I just hope now they are adding in more "true pets" they add in pet emotes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EdwinLi.1284 Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 3 hours ago, MrForz.1953 said: Canthan engineers dabbing real hard on asuras. 😂 I'll see if I can't go full Imperial and have that pet be a helpful steward of sorts. Well to be fair there was probably a lot of Asura tech left behind once Cantha was sealed off. Not to mention a certain event where Canthans were buy Asura tech back in GW1. It was bound to be messed with by the Canthans and added with Jade tech. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucklepuckk.1805 Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 This doesn't look like the condition spec I wanted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolfyrik.2017 Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 10 hours ago, Roads.5130 said: So many people hurt for it being pet based without even knowing the details, kind of laughable. Why is it laughable? We've had 9 years of evidence that pets are a bad idea. We have 9 years of evidence of them failing, causing problems, being hard to balance. 9 years in which anets only response to pet problems so far, is deleting them when they can. The only example we've seen of Anet making pets better, is soulbeast. 3 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aedil.1296 Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 6 hours ago, wolfyrik.2017 said: Why is it laughable? We've had 9 years of evidence that pets are a bad idea. We have 9 years of evidence of them failing, causing problems, being hard to balance. 9 years in which anets only response to pet problems so far, is deleting them when they can. The only example we've seen of Anet making pets better, is soulbeast. I do understand your frustration. What I don't understand is why the pets AI is not efficient in Gw2. I get that is a different game but back in GW1 we had 7 heroes in a party maganed by AI and only 1 real players and they were working amazingly. So definitely Anet knows how to handle AI but probably there are problems in GW2 for which they haven't found solutions as of yet. Maybe now they did tho cause 2 specs now will rely heavily on pets! So let's just wait to play the beta and then we will see 😊 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vagrant.7206 Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 37 minutes ago, Aedil.1296 said: I do understand your frustration. What I don't understand is why the pets AI is not efficient in Gw2. I get that is a different game but back in GW1 we had 7 heroes in a party maganed by AI and only 1 real players and they were working amazingly. So definitely Anet knows how to handle AI but probably there are problems in GW2 for which they haven't found solutions as of yet. Maybe now they did tho cause 2 specs now will rely heavily on pets! So let's just wait to play the beta and then we will see 😊 The AI allies in GW1 weren't particularly good either. They often required micromanagement to perform as expected. They didn't move intelligently nor attack intelligently. The only exceptions were the AI interrupters - they could react with inhuman speed, and were part of the reason you barely saw any mesmer mains in GW1. AI is notoriously difficult to balance and design in games, especially MMOs. I'm replaying STALKER right now, where the enemy AI is significantly smarter than most game AI these days. The AI can flank you, grenade you while you're in cover, etc. But it can also pull crazy crap like shooting you through multiple bushes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aedil.1296 Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 52 minutes ago, Vagrant.7206 said: The AI allies in GW1 weren't particularly good either. They often required micromanagement to perform as expected. They didn't move intelligently nor attack intelligently. The only exceptions were the AI interrupters - they could react with inhuman speed, and were part of the reason you barely saw any mesmer mains in GW1. AI is notoriously difficult to balance and design in games, especially MMOs. I'm replaying STALKER right now, where the enemy AI is significantly smarter than most game AI these days. The AI can flank you, grenade you while you're in cover, etc. But it can also pull crazy crap like shooting you through multiple bushes. I know what you mean but come on the monks were great in GW1 also the ritualists and necros discordia or mm in AI not just the mesmers! I have to say I liked the bit of micromanagement on heroes to be honest. Doing AI in a dynamic combat like in GW2 is pretty hard. They would prob need quantic servers to handle that! 😅 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matoro.9708 Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 21 hours ago, Bomboed.5697 said: I also hate how second e-spec in a row has flashy over the top sci-fi visuals. I mean, for me GW2 was always a fantasy world with steampunkish elements in term of technologies. And when I started to play Engi I wanted to see bombs, clockwork devices, alchemy and gunpowder guns. At first, Scrapper was great thematically. It felt like an engineer, it added some lighting "tesla" elements to the class theme. But then was Holo.... And now Mechanist. Both with lasers, beams and other stuff that feels, looks and sounds like magic. All classes remain their thematic and visual integrity. And only Engi has specs, that ruin his integrity. I strongly stand behind this too. I picked engi because magic doesn't feel quite right to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChronoPinoyX.7923 Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 16 hours ago, MrForz.1953 said: Canthan engineers dabbing real hard on asuras. 😂 I'll see if I can't go full Imperial and have that pet be a helpful steward of sorts. Laughs in Asura Mechanist Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knighthonor.4061 Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 On 10/21/2021 at 11:07 AM, Obtena.7952 said: Funny ... Rangers QQ about AI on pets, Engineers can't wait to get theirs. And Necros are still running Minion Master builds to this day. So your point? 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iKeostuKen.2738 Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 (edited) Called it! 😄 Sort of. Edited October 22, 2021 by iKeostuKen.2738 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obtena.7952 Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, Knighthonor.4061 said: So your point? Simply ... one always thinks the grass is greener. The question here is which one is right? Plus, Minions are not pets so ... what is YOUR point? Edited October 22, 2021 by Obtena.7952 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gomes.5643 Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 Just now, Obtena.7952 said: Simply ... one always thinks the grass is greener. The question here is which one is right? Well it is interesting that literally every class subforum are of the opinion that their class got the short stick and that every other spec is much better. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obtena.7952 Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 13 hours ago, wolfyrik.2017 said: Why is it laughable? We've had 9 years of evidence that pets are a bad idea. We have 9 years of evidence of them failing, causing problems, being hard to balance. 9 years in which anets only response to pet problems so far, is deleting them when they can. The only example we've seen of Anet making pets better, is soulbeast. Laughable because the people that continue to complain that pets are a bad idea continue to force themselves to play the only pet class in this game (+ 1 espec incoming maybe). Pretty hard to have sympathy for people that subject themselves to the pain. 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raolin Soulherder.3195 Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 This spec is kinda disappointing tbh. Golem & skills are pretty-looking, but golem probably will get melted and/or reflected in WvW. tough to lose toolbelt skills too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaogin.2679 Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 "Maybe the AI won't be bad." First thing pet does on screen is go wander off by itself. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slugonaut.9841 Posted October 23, 2021 Share Posted October 23, 2021 (edited) Anyone else notice he might have had mace in both hands? It was hard to tell but it looked like it to me, but maybe im missing something. Wondering if they havent finished the skill icons for offhand or something nvm it looks like its just a weird pistol skin, bummmmer Edited October 23, 2021 by Slugonaut.9841 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caid.4932 Posted October 23, 2021 Share Posted October 23, 2021 I haven't been using Ranger pet in years but micromanaging helped a lot tbf. Ranged ones were easy enough to control, even in wvw. They were a lot weaker but theres room to split things between pve and pvp. I expect pets could use a fair bit of work in the mean time and being careful about things that will mess up pathing in environment design will be important. I dont see it being meta even if it is strong ultimately. You (and more importantly other people) wont want to be relying on an AI in more competitive environments basically. Hopefully it'll be good fun and mostly viable despite that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aravind.9610 Posted October 23, 2021 Share Posted October 23, 2021 This spec seems like trash now without toolbelt and 100 second cooldown on mech. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
azarhal.3086 Posted October 23, 2021 Share Posted October 23, 2021 I rewatched the demonstration and what I saw is that a melee F skill makes the mech stay in melee afterward, a ranged F skill make it auto-attack in range afterward. Yet there is a trait that turn all attack ranged? I can't wait to try it. Real combat will be more chaotic than in the demonstration, but so far it seems there is a finer control over the mech than the Ranger has over its pets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
insanemaniac.2456 Posted October 23, 2021 Share Posted October 23, 2021 JFC turrets were so toxic to play against that theyre permanently nerfed to oblivion, gyros were so bad at pathing that they were converted to not be summons, and we're gonna go with ai again? stop it already 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaogin.2679 Posted October 23, 2021 Share Posted October 23, 2021 1 hour ago, Aravind.9610 said: This spec seems like trash now without toolbelt and 100 second cooldown on mech. OMG!!! Let it go already. Just dismiss the mech before it dies and it will only be a 10 sec cooldown. Honestly I hope they keep the 100 sec cd to punish bad Engineers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obtena.7952 Posted October 23, 2021 Share Posted October 23, 2021 3 hours ago, Raolin Soulherder.3195 said: This spec is kinda disappointing tbh. Golem & skills are pretty-looking, but golem probably will get melted and/or reflected in WvW. tough to lose toolbelt skills too. From what I saw ... that is VERY dependent on the stats you equip on your own gear. Also, the percentages the Golem adopt from your character are actually greater than your own stats ... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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