MagicalLeaf.1307 Posted October 21, 2021 Share Posted October 21, 2021 Cmon, give this couple some time in the spotlight, after all they're kinda the centre piece for it but we haven't had them in a proper trailer yet. This power couple is too cool to be pushed to the side when they're literally on the main art for End of Dragons 2 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vanfrano.1325 Posted October 21, 2021 Share Posted October 21, 2021 How are they "pushed to the side" if they're "literally on the main art for End of Dragons"? 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gibson.4036 Posted October 21, 2021 Share Posted October 21, 2021 They've had an awful lot of focus compared to the rest of the characters. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naxos.2503 Posted October 21, 2021 Share Posted October 21, 2021 (edited) 32 minutes ago, vanfrano.1325 said: How are they "pushed to the side" if they're "literally on the main art for End of Dragons"? To the best of my knowledge, they're even the only protagonists to have been given the honor if one doesn't count Logan and Eir in the base release. Edited October 21, 2021 by Naxos.2503 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neo Mortem.3627 Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 If all there is to them is that they're gay, I don't care for the characters. We were told Marjory would have focus in IBS because of her necro background and the lovecraftian horror theme they wanted to do, but didn't. Kasmeer had her chance to shine in Path of Fire, and felt completely useless and absent compared to Canach and Rytlock. Honestly, I want them gone. 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radda.8920 Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 (edited) no thanks, the dialogues between these two are ridiculous and boring, it's so cliché Edited October 22, 2021 by radda.8920 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gibson.4036 Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 (edited) 14 hours ago, Neo Mortem.3627 said: If all there is to them is that they're gay, I don't care for the characters. We were told Marjory would have focus in IBS because of her necro background and the lovecraftian horror theme they wanted to do, but didn't. Kasmeer had her chance to shine in Path of Fire, and felt completely useless and absent compared to Canach and Rytlock. Honestly, I want them gone. Kasmeer had a lot of potential as a person who had to question her culture and religion when faced with the reality of it, but the actual implementation of that felt tacked on and unexplored. It went by so quickly. Marjory had huge potential when first introduced as a Film Noir investigator, but that seems to have vanished as well. There was brief potential in exploring how a couple who risks their lives adventuring stays accountable to each other while allowing each other freedom, but that wasn’t really explored. Its kinda like the writers are afraid to put the two of them in real conflict with each other for any length of time. When one has a problem they tend to disappear off screen for a time, and then show up for resolution. It makes for unsatisfying story and shallow character arcs. And yes, the cooing over each other feels contrived and awkward. Edited October 22, 2021 by Gibson.4036 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fueki.4753 Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 (edited) 11 hours ago, Neo Mortem.3627 said: If all there is to them is that they're gay, I don't care for the characters. We were told Marjory would have focus in IBS because of her necro background and the lovecraftian horror theme they wanted to do, but didn't. Kasmeer had her chance to shine in Path of Fire, and felt completely useless and absent compared to Canach and Rytlock. Honestly, I want them gone. Reaching even slightly below the surface of not only Lovecraftian, but any kind of Horror would likely have shot the game's age rating up, so they likely scrapped these plans far earlier than they decided to scrap the second half of the season. The slight spooks with the Boneskinner and Marjory's hysteria with her sister's ghost's illusion is likely as far as one can get and within a low teen rating these days. Edited October 22, 2021 by Fueki.4753 1 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AgentMoore.9453 Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 After they fill this request, I'd like to submit for their consideration the bombshell bromance of Canach and Laranthir, a relationship built almost completely on their shared loves of explosive ordnance and preventing the end of the world. 1 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Linken.6345 Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 Would be nice to have Zojja back maybe she can upgrade Mr. Sparkles with some jade tech. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashantara.8731 Posted October 23, 2021 Share Posted October 23, 2021 On 10/22/2021 at 7:34 AM, radda.8920 said: no thanks, the dialogues between these two are ridiculous and boring, it's so cliché It's true, but there is no reason that this can't change in future content - except for a continuation of bad dialogue writing, that is. I'd like to see them behave like a normal couple for a change. As a lesbian, I am not a fan of bad lesbian stereotypes - it doesn't do the cause of acceptance and equality any service. 21 hours ago, Linken.6345 said: Would be nice to have Zojja back maybe she can upgrade Mr. Sparkles with some jade tech. Ooh, that would be pretty nifty! 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gibson.4036 Posted October 25, 2021 Share Posted October 25, 2021 (edited) On 10/22/2021 at 10:10 AM, Fueki.4753 said: Reaching even slightly below the surface of not only Lovecraftian, but any kind of Horror would likely have shot the game's age rating up, so they likely scrapped these plans far earlier than they decided to scrap the second half of the season. The slight spooks with the Boneskinner and Marjory's hysteria with her sister's ghost's illusion is likely as far as one can get and within a low teen rating these days. Funny, because if we’re going for real Lovecraftian horror, as in what Lovecraft actually wrote, I thought Whisper in the Dark did it really well. Lovecraft’s work lived in a place of creeping dread, not the kind of gore that would trigger a mature rating. If you’re talking what mostly passes for Lovecraftian now, using his mythos but going for the gory body count, then yeah, not a fit for this game. It’s not just the rating. The story was very intentionally pointed in a heroic direction from the beginning. Edited October 25, 2021 by Gibson.4036 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fueki.4753 Posted October 25, 2021 Share Posted October 25, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, Gibson.4036 said: Funny, because if we’re going for real Lovecraftian horror, as in what Lovecraft actually wrote, I thought Whisper in the Dark did it really well. Lovecraft’s work lived in a place of creeping dread, not the kind of gore that would trigger a mature rating. If you’re talking what mostly passes for Lovecraftian now, using his mythos but going for the gory body count, then yeah, not a fit for this game. It’s not just the rating. The story was very intentionally pointed in a heroic direction from the beginning. There have been those whispers that Arenanet tried to make scary, but they were decent at best and simply introducing Jormag's trickery. The Koda Boneskinner story wasn't scary either. None of that gave me any of the feelings I got when reading Lovecraft's works. Edited October 25, 2021 by Fueki.4753 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashantara.8731 Posted October 25, 2021 Share Posted October 25, 2021 36 minutes ago, Fueki.4753 said: There have been those whispers that Arenanet tried to make scary, but they were decent at best and simply introducing Jormag's trickery. The Koda Boneskinner story wasn't scary either. None of that gave me any of the feelings I got when reading Lovecraft's works. We were indeed promised a "dark/scary" story season with the Icebrood Saga, but then all we got were a lot of missed opportunities. The eery forest in the Bjora Marches, the Boneskinner (the name alone spraks volumes!) and the spooky library labyrinth were perfect opportunities for in-depth horror adventures, but turned out just another rather superficial implementation with most of the scary parts being left to the player's imagination. And don't get me started on Jormag: Gods, what a wasted opportunity! Jormag used Almorra's dead body to communicate with us, then did the same with the Fraenir, while acting all "nice" during their conversations with us - what a scary character! But then everything spooky, smart and manipulative about them was dropped to the point of unbelieveable simpleminded stupidity. Okay, we drifting away from the topic. 😉 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fueki.4753 Posted October 25, 2021 Share Posted October 25, 2021 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Ashantara.8731 said: We were indeed promised a "dark/scary" story season with the Icebrood Saga, but then all we got were a lot of missed opportunities. The eery forest in the Bjora Marches, the Boneskinner (the name alone spraks volumes!) and the spooky library labyrinth were perfect opportunities for in-depth horror adventures, but turned out just another rather superficial implementation with most of the scary parts being left to the player's imagination. And don't get me started on Jormag: Gods, what a wasted opportunity! Jormag used Almorra's dead body to communicate with us, then did the same with the Fraenir, while acting all "nice" during their conversations with us - what a scary character! But then everything spooky, smart and manipulative about them was dropped to the point of unbelieveable simpleminded stupidity. Okay, we drifting away from the topic. 😉 Are we even sure that Jormag used Almorra's body instead of simply emulating her voice for those messages? We've seen with the Fraenir that Jormag was able to change a voice at will. It wouldn't be surprising, if Jormag did just that for the whispers as well. Edited October 25, 2021 by Fueki.4753 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gibson.4036 Posted October 25, 2021 Share Posted October 25, 2021 Honestly, after so much undead, blighting pods, Liches and tarry mummies, bone architecture, and frozen whispery mountains of madness, it’d be nice not to have a horror leaning theme for a change. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lan Deathrider.5910 Posted October 25, 2021 Share Posted October 25, 2021 18 minutes ago, Gibson.4036 said: Honestly, after so much undead, blighting pods, Liches and tarry mummies, bone architecture, and frozen whispery mountains of madness, it’d be nice not to have a horror leaning theme for a change. Bubblegum Shing Jea anyone? 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashantara.8731 Posted October 25, 2021 Share Posted October 25, 2021 (edited) On 10/25/2021 at 7:58 PM, Fueki.4753 said: Are we even sure that Jormag used Almorra's body instead of simply emulating her voice for those messages? Yes, we do. When Jormag talked through a corpse, the rhythm was off. It was pretty distinct (and super creepy!). Also, it was mentioned (and confirmed) later in dialogue after we discovered Almorra's body. Edit: Here is the proof, you poor, confused souls who gave this post a : Story Mission "What's Left Behind" Jhavi: "Almorra. Did you find her?" Us: "Not yet. But she was the one who called us here, so she must be alive out there." Jhavi: "Called you? But... the Svanir took our comms. [...]" Later, when we discover her body: Us: "There are slash marks. And it looks like she's been...gone for a while." Story Mission "The Invitation" Us: "The Svanir caught up with her long before we arrived. Whoever called us here, it wasn't Almorra." Braham Eirsson: "Jormag..." [Later:] Crecia: "So that comm from Almorra... Jormag was using... [her body]." Jhavi: "Oh, Spirits..." Edited October 27, 2021 by Ashantara.8731 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gibson.4036 Posted October 25, 2021 Share Posted October 25, 2021 (edited) 2 hours ago, Lan Deathrider.5910 said: Bubblegum Shing Jea anyone? It’d be sad if sparkle pony fantasy land and rotting flyblown corpse world are our only two options. Edited October 25, 2021 by Gibson.4036 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lan Deathrider.5910 Posted October 25, 2021 Share Posted October 25, 2021 49 minutes ago, Gibson.4036 said: It’d be sad if sparkle pony fantasy land and rotting flyblown corpse world are our only two options. I don't know, sparkle pony fantasy land would be a nice change of pace, particularly if it all ended up being an illusion covering up a rotting flyblown corpse world. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gibson.4036 Posted October 26, 2021 Share Posted October 26, 2021 20 hours ago, Lan Deathrider.5910 said: I don't know, sparkle pony fantasy land would be a nice change of pace, particularly if it all ended up being an illusion covering up a rotting flyblown corpse world. Even more unusual would be if it was the other way around. "We have a paradise here, lets pretend it's horrible so those annoying outlanders will just go away!" 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashantara.8731 Posted October 27, 2021 Share Posted October 27, 2021 (edited) Just to clarify this OT-point for the confused: On 10/25/2021 at 9:25 PM, Ashantara.8731 said: Edit: Here is the proof, you poor, confused souls who gave this post a : Story Mission "What's Left Behind" Jhavi: "Almorra. Did you find her?" Us: "Not yet. But she was the one who called us here, so she must be alive out there." Jhavi: "Called you? But... the Svanir took our comms. [...]" Later, when we discover her body: Us: "There are slash marks. And it looks like she's been...gone for a while." Story Mission "The Invitation" Us: "The Svanir caught up with her long before we arrived. Whoever called us here, it wasn't Almorra." Braham Eirsson: "Jormag..." [Later:] Crecia: "So that comm from Almorra... Jormag was using... [her body]." Jhavi: "Oh, Spirits..." Edited October 27, 2021 by Ashantara.8731 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts