Mell.4873 Posted November 27, 2021 Share Posted November 27, 2021 Especially the clunky skills and the non-regening blades. It's has a been a since beta 1 but I just remembered the utilities being so hard to use. I also love the lack of clones it mean I can bring my mesmer out on high damage bosses that kill my clones. 1 1 11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phokus.8934 Posted November 27, 2021 Share Posted November 27, 2021 Yeah okay ANet employee #458. 4 15 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lincolnbeard.1735 Posted November 27, 2021 Share Posted November 27, 2021 Yup, changes look great... If you play anything but Virt. 3 2 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mell.4873 Posted November 28, 2021 Author Share Posted November 28, 2021 I just wanted to voice my positive voice over all this virtuoso hate 3 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leonidrex.5649 Posted November 28, 2021 Share Posted November 28, 2021 1 hour ago, Mell.4873 said: I just wanted to voice my positive voice over all this virtuoso hate 2 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Levetty.1279 Posted November 28, 2021 Share Posted November 28, 2021 4 hours ago, Mell.4873 said: I just wanted to voice my positive voice over all this virtuoso hate 100 gems have been deposited into your account. 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LucianDK.8615 Posted November 28, 2021 Share Posted November 28, 2021 Chalk up another whom is excited to play it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mell.4873 Posted November 28, 2021 Author Share Posted November 28, 2021 3 hours ago, Levetty.1279 said: 100 gems have been deposited into your account. Wow so i have to hate virtuoso, if i am Mesmer main. Well i would be rather annoyed if i got another clone based elite spec like the last two since it would add nothing.. One of the main problems with Mesmer is you cant pre-cast damage(phantasms) before a fight, which for open-world means your damage can be very slow unless you spam just clones and waste cooldowns. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mortrialus.3062 Posted November 28, 2021 Share Posted November 28, 2021 22 minutes ago, Mell.4873 said: Wow so i have to hate virtuoso, if i am Mesmer main. Well i would be rather annoyed if i got another clone based elite spec like the last two since it would add nothing.. One of the main problems with Mesmer is you cant pre-cast damage(phantasms) before a fight, which for open-world means your damage can be very slow unless you spam just clones and waste cooldowns. And after the changes you don't have damage ever. Perfect! 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zraurum.8493 Posted November 28, 2021 Share Posted November 28, 2021 In my opinion, a mesmer without clones is a fail initially, nothing can be fixed here. 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mell.4873 Posted November 28, 2021 Author Share Posted November 28, 2021 36 minutes ago, mortrialus.3062 said: And after the changes you don't have damage ever. Perfect! They are just tweaking it, I mean it was way to high before. 40k on large targets was a bit op. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salt Mode.3780 Posted November 28, 2021 Share Posted November 28, 2021 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Mell.4873 said: They are just tweaking it, I mean it was way to high before. 40k on large targets was a bit op. Yet it brings no utility no boons and there are current classes that do offer boons, barrier, huge CC and still do more damage on large hitboxes or if slightly lower...yea 40k is OP lol....as well as its only good for large hitboxes...then what about small hitboxes....? Oh wait they will sometimes completely miss the target....yikes.... Edited November 28, 2021 by Salt Mode.3780 1 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mortrialus.3062 Posted November 28, 2021 Share Posted November 28, 2021 (edited) 14 minutes ago, Mell.4873 said: They are just tweaking it, I mean it was way to high before. 40k on large targets was a bit op. 40k is pretty common for selfish DPS classes. DH, Weaver, Daredevil, Condi Renegade, Condi Firebrand, and Deadeye are all hitting 40k in game right now. Edited November 28, 2021 by mortrialus.3062 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mell.4873 Posted November 28, 2021 Author Share Posted November 28, 2021 (edited) 3 minutes ago, mortrialus.3062 said: 40k is pretty common for selfish DPS classes. DH, Weaver, Daredevil, and Deadeye are all hitting 40k in game right now. I just meant the Snowcrow Large Hitbox benchmark, which the top dps was held by virtuoso, Edited November 28, 2021 by Mell.4873 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mortrialus.3062 Posted November 28, 2021 Share Posted November 28, 2021 1 minute ago, Mell.4873 said: I just meant the Snowcrow Large Hitbox benchmark, which the top dps was held by virtuoso, And I'm also talking about snowcrows, but those are just as good on any hitbox not just large. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mell.4873 Posted November 28, 2021 Author Share Posted November 28, 2021 10 minutes ago, mortrialus.3062 said: And I'm also talking about snowcrows, but those are just as good on any hitbox not just large. I just meant large in my 40k point, not small..... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mortrialus.3062 Posted November 28, 2021 Share Posted November 28, 2021 1 minute ago, Mell.4873 said: I just meant large in my 40k point, not small..... If you're 40k on small you're 40k on large. The distinction between large and small on snowcrows is that builds with specific listings under large hit box are specifically better at large hit boxes than small hitboxes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mell.4873 Posted November 28, 2021 Author Share Posted November 28, 2021 1 minute ago, mortrialus.3062 said: If you're 40k on small you're 40k on large. The distinction between large and small on snowcrows is that builds with specific listings under large hit box are specifically better at large hit boxes than small hitboxes. No there is a difference since large targets has more points that a aoe spell can trigger damage. Small can preform the same dps but not vice versa. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Levetty.1279 Posted November 28, 2021 Share Posted November 28, 2021 3 hours ago, Mell.4873 said: Wow so i have to hate virtuoso, if i am Mesmer main. Maybe if this thread actually had anything to do with the changes that were made and not just blind praise completely divorced from reality. 2 hours ago, Mell.4873 said: They are just tweaking it, I mean it was way to high before. 40k on large targets was a bit op. 40k is OP on Virtuoso but fine on every other selfish dps class. Nice 'Mesmer main' there. No wonder you are praising Virtuoso. 7 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Puck.3697 Posted November 29, 2021 Share Posted November 29, 2021 5 hours ago, Mell.4873 said: They are just tweaking it, I mean it was way to high before. 40k on large targets was a bit op. 40k DPS is Way to high.. While Harbinger does 45k Bladesworn does over 45k, Chrono does 42k... lol What are u on about?.. it wasnt too high xD 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mell.4873 Posted November 29, 2021 Author Share Posted November 29, 2021 18 minutes ago, Daddy.8125 said: 40k DPS is Way to high.. While Harbinger does 45k Bladesworn does over 45k, Chrono does 42k... lol What are u on about?.. it wasnt too high xD Well Arena Net thought so 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Puck.3697 Posted November 29, 2021 Share Posted November 29, 2021 (edited) 32 minutes ago, Mell.4873 said: Well Arena Net thought so well heres the 50/50 on it Anet have effectively fixed a whole load of traits to now work on the Proffession Plus some other bonus's they've then decided to play this Super safe by nerfing the damage. Im guessing what they're after is improving the quality of the proffession and making it work properly withthe elite and beleive this will effectively Prevent a DPS Increase. Whats going to likely happen is Virt just dropped to below 40k DPS And is now gonna be unwanted in all content Not just SPVP now xD i assure u these changes arent realistically the best you cvould have expected considering the current position of the specc Edited November 29, 2021 by Daddy.8125 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mortrialus.3062 Posted November 29, 2021 Share Posted November 29, 2021 6 hours ago, Mell.4873 said: No there is a difference since large targets has more points that a aoe spell can trigger damage. Small can preform the same dps but not vice versa. Read more closely. That's exactly what I said. Some builds perform better on large hit boxes. But most builds are functionally the same whether its a large or small hitbox. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mell.4873 Posted November 29, 2021 Author Share Posted November 29, 2021 6 hours ago, mortrialus.3062 said: Read more closely. That's exactly what I said. Some builds perform better on large hit boxes. But most builds are functionally the same whether its a large or small hitbox. Oh okay then we agree. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reteiel.7063 Posted November 29, 2021 Share Posted November 29, 2021 No need to be so negative people. I sure am excited to try out virtuoso after about 3 years worth of reworks when its actually usable. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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